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Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by EdiskyHarry: 3:22pm On Jul 04
In conclusion, Nigeria is a failed state run by criminals and greedy wicked politicians
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by FatimaAbubakar(f): 3:23pm On Jul 04
banku:
Honestly? I think your head is paining you.

1. Stay back and build Nigeria is not an illusion. Nobody is going to build your country for you except you.

2. Better remuneration outside Nigeria exposed you as a child who prefer your friends mama soup than your own mama. So you converted foreign money to naira without expenses and start to tickle yourself. In Scandinavian and Eastern countries, doctors and your so called highly skilled are not the highest paid. How many doctors in Switzerland, Sweden or Norway despite U.S encouragement Japa? Do know how many Canadian doctors went to US and decided to return home, even with less pay.

Go and find out about Indian doctors protests in Britain for posting to rural areas, overworked and underpaid unlike their British colleagues. Nigerian doctors suck it up and brag to those at home.


3. I agree with you that insecurity is getting unbearable. But how many people can afford to desert their crime invested areas in the US, Europe or India?

4. Better Education. Now you have gone totally colo. Have you ever had of Mis-Education used to create Nepo-children, drain the Central Bank, launder most of our foreign income while local schools deteriorate? Most schools in Europe and America are going belly up because of restrictions on immigration. They are starved of Mumu money from foreign students and advocotes like you.

Every country build culture, history and traditional science into their schools except Africans who think Oxford and Harvard educated "experts" are the solutions to their problems. No wonder our politicians and their cronies cart billion away looking for millions in foreign salvation!

5. Low human development complain from someone advocating better foreign education, neglecting human development at home. Cover your head in shame!

Politically correct? Most of your politicians looting you blind were trained abroad.

Most of the Activists that built the same country that is now scattered by by your warped logic, left everything abroad and came home. The same with the professors that made your university attractive to foreigners in those days.

Go suck a lemon!
Your comment is total rubbish. I know say wetin the Op post pain you well well. Supporters of criminal government.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Nteogwuija(m): 3:26pm On Jul 04
AderonkeOlaniyi:
If you like suffer and die in Nigeria. That's your business. We don't care. Na Una be the same fake patriotic Nigerians wen dey support the thieves in government to destroy the country.
Lol, na this brain u wan carry go youkay. Lol!
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by tunapawizzy: 3:34pm On Jul 04
Give it 10 years from now(max 15), there will be no brains to drain again from Nigeria.
All these new generation boys and girls doing social media, TikTok up and down will not be desirable for the system abroad. They dont like school they dont like hardwork they cannot delay gratification, they are looking for fast prosperity which abroad does not give(you have to put in the work). Everybody wants to be a content creator.

The last generation with those values will be around 40-50years, no longer desirable abroad because of age.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Rapmoney(op): 3:44pm On Jul 04
banku:
Honestly? I think your head is paining you.

1. Stay back and build Nigeria is not an illusion. Nobody is going to build your country for you except you.

2. Better remuneration outside Nigeria exposed you as a child who prefer your friends mama soup than your own mama. So you converted foreign money to naira without expenses and start to tickle yourself. In Scandinavian and Eastern countries, doctors and your so called highly skilled are not the highest paid. How many doctors in Switzerland, Sweden or Norway despite U.S encouragement Japa? Do know how many Canadian doctors went to US and decided to return home, even with less pay.

Go and find out about Indian doctors protests in Britain for posting to rural areas, overworked and underpaid unlike their British colleagues. Nigerian doctors suck it up and brag to those at home.


3. I agree with you that insecurity is getting unbearable. But how many people can afford to desert their crime invested areas in the US, Europe or India?

4. Better Education. Now you have gone totally colo. Have you ever had of Mis-Education used to create Nepo-children, drain the Central Bank, launder most of our foreign income while local schools deteriorate? Most schools in Europe and America are going belly up because of restrictions on immigration. They are starved of Mumu money from foreign students and advocotes like you.

Every country build culture, history and traditional science into their schools except Africans who think Oxford and Harvard educated "experts" are the solutions to their problems. No wonder our politicians and their cronies cart billion away looking for millions in foreign salvation!

5. Low human development complain from someone advocating better foreign education, neglecting human development at home. Cover your head in shame!

Politically correct? Most of your politicians looting you blind were trained abroad.

Most of the Activists that built the same country that is now scattered by by your warped logic, left everything abroad and came home. The same with the professors that made your university attractive to foreigners in those days.

Go suck a lemon!
I can clearly see that you need a brain surgeon.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by whitebeard(m): 3:53pm On Jul 04
Not surprised almost no one is opposing this thread...

A very shallow mindset writer, not surprised a lot of people can relate with the junk you put up.

Xenophobia is not enough na. Until Europe starts deporting en mass, then maybe just maybe you guys would fight for your country. Keep running to country where their people paid in blood and sweat.

Nigeria doesn't even know war as much as a average European country, yet they didn't abandon their land, they stood and built their country, now africans that don't understand what it means to fight only to run away from problems are now going to their countries to cause problems.

If you don't believe the country can be fixed you are a significant part of Nigeria problem it's that simple. You just write up shit and post just for the sake of it.

Blud if you wana travel so bad, you dont need to justify it with this dumb ass thread, just do it.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by AderonkeOlaniyi(f): 3:55pm On Jul 04
banku:
Honestly? I think your head is paining you.

1. Stay back and build Nigeria is not an illusion. Nobody is going to build your country for you except you.

2. Better remuneration outside Nigeria exposed you as a child who prefer your friends mama soup than your own mama. So you converted foreign money to naira without expenses and start to tickle yourself. In Scandinavian and Eastern countries, doctors and your so called highly skilled are not the highest paid. How many doctors in Switzerland, Sweden or Norway despite U.S encouragement Japa? Do know how many Canadian doctors went to US and decided to return home, even with less pay.

Go and find out about Indian doctors protests in Britain for posting to rural areas, overworked and underpaid unlike their British colleagues. Nigerian doctors suck it up and brag to those at home.


3. I agree with you that insecurity is getting unbearable. But how many people can afford to desert their crime invested areas in the US, Europe or India?

4. Better Education. Now you have gone totally colo. Have you ever had of Mis-Education used to create Nepo-children, drain the Central Bank, launder most of our foreign income while local schools deteriorate? Most schools in Europe and America are going belly up because of restrictions on immigration. They are starved of Mumu money from foreign students and advocotes like you.

Every country build culture, history and traditional science into their schools except Africans who think Oxford and Harvard educated "experts" are the solutions to their problems. No wonder our politicians and their cronies cart billion away looking for millions in foreign salvation!

5. Low human development complain from someone advocating better foreign education, neglecting human development at home. Cover your head in shame!

Politically correct? Most of your politicians looting you blind were trained abroad.

Most of the Activists that built the same country that is now scattered by by your warped logic, left everything abroad and came home. The same with the professors that made your university attractive to foreigners in those days.

Go suck a lemon!
Na you be the real colo here. See how your comment is filled with terrible English. The Op post really pain you well well.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by whitebeard(m): 4:04pm On Jul 04
FatimaAbubakar:
Your comment is total rubbish. I know say wetin the Op post pain you well well. Supporters of criminal government.
not a supporter of tinubu even since last election I never saw anything in peter obi cause since then, from the way he talks I knew he had nothing to offer just emi lokan like tinubu.

Now, what op posted is mostly trash. There are people that have given up on nigeria, fine if op wants to leave nigeria let him up and leave.

But saying nigeria can never be saved it just straight up dumb... see germany after ww2 and ww1, Korea after civil war, Mao China, the Russians, these countries where in worse state than nigeria has never ever been in, the people stood their ground and paid in blood and sweat for the country, those that fled did, and those that remained and stood their grounds did and see these countries I mentioned how are they all fairing, nigeria has only witnessed just one civil war, and a weaponised illiteracy system, that the average nigerian can't seen to wake up from the trance.

All these nigeria can't be fixed is exactly what the government want us to think, they won't want us to fight, we keep playing into their hands, won't be surprised if Op is an APC member low-key, cause a thing that distracts or redirects our anger from the government, definitely has political undertones. Yeah u can argue that yeah op is just saying based on realities on ground. If op wants to flee let him and others do so.

Nigeria would get better, we don't know when but she would.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Goddyrichie(m): 4:09pm On Jul 04
motymop:
No matter the brain drain

Only a few nigerians will be able to travel

at the end of the day, you will understand that you have to build your home

things are changing all over the world, western countries are becoming very hostile to immigrants

this will not change...

Build your damn home..stop running
how will build my own country when we’re not unites how will I build my own country when d masses like me don’t have a says?
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by motymop: 4:52pm On Jul 04
frog12:
what deal they have with india?
importing their shit? shocked
The EU-India Free Trade & Mobility Agreement

Give Indian professionals access to EU

Migration and Mobility Partnership Agreements

UK-India Free Trade Agreement

Even in Canada, there is a reason why there are like 2-3million Indians living there and they are 2 -3 percentage of the population.

Nigerians aren't up to 500k living in Canada
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Rapmoney(op): 5:02pm On Jul 04
whitebeard:
Not surprised almost no one is opposing this thread...

A very shallow mindset writer, not surprised a lot of people can relate with the junk you put up.

Xenophobia is not enough na. Until Europe starts deporting en mass, then maybe just maybe you guys would fight for your country. Keep running to country where their people paid in blood and sweat.

Nigeria doesn't even know war as much as a average European country, yet they didn't abandon their land, they stood and built their country, now africans that don't understand what it means to fight only to run away from problems are now going to their countries to cause problems.

If you don't believe the country can be fixed you are a significant part of Nigeria problem it's that simple. You just write up shit and post just for the sake of it.

Blud if you wana travel so bad, you dont need to justify it with this dumb ass thread, just do it.
You just exposed how shallow and empty you are. You attack people instead of countering their opinions with intelligence. To people like you who find it difficult to think brilliantly, insult is equal to intelligence.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by whitebeard(m): 5:18pm On Jul 04
Rapmoney:
You just exposed how shallow and empty you are. You attack people instead of countering their opinions with intelligence. To people like you who find it difficult to think brilliantly, insult is equal to intelligence.
Sir, how are you different from what you are accusing me of..?! Cause you are literally doing the same thing, I gave points in my post and you just called me names...?!

Stop pretending to be what you are not, you are a terrible pretender, I can see you whole game from your post, just stay away from me.

I like people that don't know and know they don't know and don't pretend that they do know.

You see people that don't know and pretend that they do know. It's why nigeria is where she is today.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by ogbe88(m): 5:36pm On Jul 04
chopnaira:
Yes. I am free to support whoever I like. That's why it is called a democracy.
Something that is difficult for members of a cult group like obidients to understand.
U deserve and E-slap
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Rapmoney(op): 5:43pm On Jul 04
whitebeard:
Sir, how are you different from what you are accusing me of..?! Cause you are literally doing the same thing, I gave points in my post and you just called me names...?!

Stop pretending to be what you are not, you are a terrible pretender, I can see you whole game from your post, just stay away from me.

I like people that don't know and know they don't know and don't pretend that they do know.

You see people that don't know and pretend that they do know. It's why nigeria is where she is today.
I usually don't have time to argue with kids like you. The internet has made it possible to share space with people who normally would not dare enter places where you are invited to make speeches. You have to identify the type of people you do your funny chitty-chatty with on Nairaland.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by saturnjay(m): 5:46pm On Jul 04
Who dey pay doctor 250K? Doctors wey dem dey pay 80K or 100K. Doctors wey dey collect 250K na specialist for both private public hospitals
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by pargelenis(m): 5:58pm On Jul 04
Yup, same issues that are being discussed, day after day, year after year, decade after decade!
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by sigmax: 9:09pm On Jul 04
geoworldedu:
Building the country must start from the leaders and it will go down to everyone. If the masses want to build the nation without their leaders leading the way, it leads nowhere. Can you explain one way you can build the nation?
It's the masses that become leaders .

USA was built mostly by capitalists.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by sigmax: 9:11pm On Jul 04
Brendaniel:
Fight with who?

All the examples you mentioned were external aggression, Nigeria is not fighting any external country, Nigeria is fighting a war within itself, and when I mean war, it is not just the insecurity, but education, politics, economical, tribal, religious and so on.

And the reason is we don;t share the same ideologies as regions, how can a country that disagrees on almost everything regionally, politically and religiously work together to build it...

There is a bigger problem than just building it, there is no unity of purpose, we don't share the same ideology...
We don't share ideology or purpose correct.

But China faced internal problems like ours and they are now a superpower .
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by femi4: 9:13pm On Jul 04
If Power is fixed, there will be a lot of improvement
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by geoworldedu: 9:26pm On Jul 04
sigmax:
It's the masses that become leaders .

USA was built mostly by capitalists.
How many masses have become leaders since me and you have been in Nigeria? It's the family of the leaders that are becoming leaders, not the masses.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Brendaniel:
sigmax:
We don't share ideology or purpose correct.

But China faced internal problems like ours and they are now a superpower .
China faced corruption, not ideological conflict, like I do tell people, corruption is not the major problem of Nigeria, bad governance is not the major problem of Nigeria either, they are only products of the major problem which is ideological conflict...

What exposed this very much was Buhari and Tinubu's presidency, it has always been there but hidden, you think most of those who supported Buhari for 8 years did not know he was performing badly?

Do you think those who are supporting Tinubu now don't know he is failing?

They know, but they are supporting him, a lot are not benefiting anything financially, so you might ask, why are they still supporting him?

Because they believe they are getting what they want, and you might ask what are they getting?

Fulfillment, Fulfillment that they have achieved tribal, religious or political supremacy...

And sincerely speaking, that's just what they want, they don't mind if the country burns down and this people are ready to fight to maintain that fulfillment.

If you are thinking the things happening in Nigeria today are happening by accident, you are very wrong, this is what some people want, they have never felt more fulfilled about Nigeria like they are doing now...

I didn't mention any region, but I know your mind is giving you directions....

We don't share the same ideology, what we want is not the same...
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by nnamdiokafor: 9:53pm On Jul 04
A lot still earn 250k.i be doctor and na fact I dey tell u.
opera1:
Your number 2 point is totally false as no medical Dr earn 250k.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by sigmax: 10:42pm On Jul 04
Brendaniel:
China faced corruption, not ideological conflict, like I do tell people, corruption is not the major problem of Nigeria, bad governance is not the major problem of Nigeria either, they are only products of the major problem which is ideological conflict...

What exposed this very much was Buhari and Tinubu's presidency, it has always been there but hidden, you think most of those who supported Buhari for 8 years did not know he was performing badly?

Do you think those who are supporting Tinubu now don't know he is failing?

They know, but they are supporting him, a lot are not benefiting anything financially, so you might ask, why are they still supporting him?

Because they believe they are getting what they want, and you might ask what are they getting?

Fulfillment, Fulfillment that they have achieved tribal, religious or political supremacy...

And sincerely speaking, that's just what they want, they don't mind if the country burns down and this people are ready to fight to maintain that fulfillment.

If you are thinking the things happening in Nigeria today are happening by accident, you are very wrong, this is what some people want, they have never felt more fulfilled about Nigeria like they are doing now...

I didn't mention any region, but I know your mind is giving you directions....

We don't share the same ideology, what we want is not the same...
You don't know what China suffered ,I will advise you read their history starting from emperor Cheng to how the country was colonised and suffered tremendous poverty .

Before Tinubu ,Nigeria has been failing and there's no current better alternative to Tinubu's presidency .
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by sigmax: 10:44pm On Jul 04
geoworldedu:
How many masses have become leaders since me and you have been in Nigeria? It's the family of the leaders that are becoming leaders, not the masses.
Let me rephrase,it's same Nigerians that become leaders .The same way it happens all over the world .
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by geoworldedu:
sigmax:
Let me rephrase,it's same Nigerians that become leaders .The same way it happens all over the world .
The leaders will keep being reshuffled among these leaders' families who are corrupt from top to bottom.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Brendaniel: 10:55pm On Jul 04
sigmax:
You don't know what China suffered ,I will advise you read their history starting from emperor Cheng to how the country was colonised and suffered tremendous poverty .

Before Tinubu ,Nigeria has been failing and there's no current better alternative to Tinubu's presidency .
They did not face ideological problem, one of the hardest wars to fight is ideological wars, that's why the U.S is failing in almost all the Muslim countries...

And your last line shows you are part of the ideological problem Nigeria is facingn and don't still get the message I'm trying to pass...
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Cromagnon: 2:33am On Jul 05
Rapmoney:
It is obvious that Nigeria as a country has lost most of her best brains to the economies of other countries in Europe, North America, Australia, and even Asia.

If we lost then then they weren't so great to begin with


Every year, seasoned professionals leave in droves in what we normally call the 'Japa Syndrome'. Many brilliant medical practitioners, bright engineers, wonderful accountants, astute technicians, and outstanding educators have left. They did not leave because they hated Nigeria, but they did not want to get stuck in an environment where their skills and expertise are usually rewarded with peanuts.

If you don't want a tree to grow, you must start from the roots, and not the trunk, branches, leaves, or fruits. This is the case with Nigeria and the Japa Syndrome. Whenever the government want to fight a problem, they start from the trunk, branches, leaves, and fruits, instead of the roots. Spending huge amounts of funds on Anti-Japa programmes on National TV and radio will never solve the issue. Making long speeches and organising endless seminars will never solve the problem.
The brain drain and japa syndrome will continue in Nigeria due to the following reasons:

1. The 'Stay back and build Nigeria' is an illusion. It is easy to ask Nigerian youths to stay back and build Nigeria, but the young ones are not blind. They can clearly see how the people who keep telling them to stay back and build are coordinating themselves and the affairs of the country. Public officials embezzle outrageous amounts of funds meant for development and nothing is done. In fact, they still contest elections and force themselves into elective offices, and you still expect the youths to stay back and build? Build on what exactly? Isn't it pure madness that the people who control the resources to build are squandering the same resources, while still asking young people to stay back and build?

2. Better renumeration in the western world: I have seen highly skilled individuals in Nigeria receiving peanuts as salaries. Imagine a medical doctor, after years of strenuous training receiving 250k as salary! A data scientist receiving 120k as salary! A seasoned teacher with an MEd receiving 80k as salary. If these people don't leave, they might continue to go round in the vicious circle that has been created by the system and die wretched. The authorities do not care!

3. The increasing level of insecurity in the country : There are a lot of Nigerians who relocated, and others who are planning to relocate, not because of increase in pay or making more money, but to be in an environment where they can move freely at anytime of the day without fear of being kidnapped or killed by terrorists. It is as terrible as that. People can no longer move freely from Benin to Lagos, from Onitsha to Ondo, from Katsina to Abuja, from Kogi to Osun. It is a huge slap on Nigeria as a country. It is a core duty of the government to protect its citizens, and not the other way round. If you don't know this as an adult, your education is a total waste!

4. Better education for their children : The educational system in Nigeria needs total overhauling. What Nigeria currently has is a carade. It is a caricature of education. An education that teaches children what to think instead of how to think is a huge problem. Many Nigerians want better education for their children, so moving out becomes non-negotiable. The policy makers are more concerned with changing the NYSC uniform to Ankara!

5. Ridiculously low human capital development : Real development goes beyond construction of coastal roads. What is real development? Real development is what the average citizen does, what he earns in a month, and the things that his earnings can fetch for him in the market. That is where you start from. That is human capital development. That must come first before we begin to talk about other things like coastal roads and the rest. You put the horse before the cart, and not the other way round. What concerns the average Chinedu, Aliyu, Adewale, or Rukevwe with coastal roads when he has no light to power his small business? You can only transport goods through coastal roads if you are producing. Is the environment conducive to produce? The government focuses more on survival than on human capital development.

Last take: I have chosen not to be politically right. And it is deliberate, because I have observed that things go astray because many of us always want to be politically right. We see spades, and call them spoons. Before you argue with me, go and do a thorough research on the Social Contract of modern nations. You will discover that there are so many areas your government cheats you on. Providing security and a conducive environment for economic activities is not and has never been your duty. Most people are just politically miseducated.
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Cromagnon: 2:34am On Jul 05
Someone had to build the first sample
Walz001:
There is no better sample to follow in Nigeria
Staying back will only give you more stress and failure
If tou have rhe will to move you better do now
Re: Reasons Why Brain Drain And The Japa Trend Will Continue In Nigeria by Cromagnon: 2:36am On Jul 05
Someone has to build the first sample
Walz001:
There is no better sample to follow in Nigeria
Staying back will only give you more stress and failure
If tou have rhe will to move you better do now
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