₦airaland Forum

WhiteIverson:
Politicians ask you to stay home and build, then they loot our country dry and buy exotic properties abroad.

Until we enforce the death penalty for corruption and embezzlement, Nigeria will never progress.

where had death penalty stopped anything

Cromagnon:
where had death penalty stopped anything

Ask China

For me its insecurity.nothing prospers in high rate of insecurity.i would hav deeply gone into mechanised farming like investing at least 80mil bt if i remember i can be easily kidnapped by fulani i go jst forget that idea.

Rapmoney:
I usually don't have time to argue with kids like you. The internet has made it possible to share space with people who normally would not dare enter places where you are invited to make speeches. You have to identify the type of people you do your funny chitty-chatty with on Nairaland.

u don't want to contribute anything positive to this, you just want to show me your inflated ego, that I can put a hole in from where I am just for the fun of it...honestly I also don't have your time. Have a good day.

motymop:
i lived most of my life abroad and believe me i dont want to live in an hostile environment or anywhere in EUROPE and asia

my best country till date is the USA

Isn't USA hostile?

Brendaniel:
They did not face ideological problem, one of the hardest wars to fight is ideological wars, that's why the U.S is failing in almost all the Muslim countries...

And your last line shows you are part of the ideological problem Nigeria is facingn and don't still get the message I'm trying to pass...

As I've said ,you don't know China history ,so go and read first before you talk about China .

About your last paragraph,I will simply ask you to list the better alternative and the alternative that doesn't make you part of the ideological problem Nigeria is facing .

sigmax:
As I've said ,you don't know China history ,so go and read first before you talk about China .

About your last paragraph,I will simply ask you to list the better alternative and the alternative that doesn't make you part of the ideological problem Nigeria is facing .

Let me ask you a question, If Peter Obi was the president today and Nigeria is currently the way it is, and Tinubu had never been president, would you say there is no better alternative to Peter Obi?

geoworldedu:
The leaders will keep being reshuffled among these leaders' families who are corrupt from top to bottom.

Several people have broken through what have they done differently?

I will give you several examples,current governor of Ebonyi was a bricklayer ,a bike man became house of rep recently,Aregbesola was a fridge repairer ...there are several people that came from nothing !

Also,in countries like USA,China etc that are doing well , same set of leaders are being rotated but they're doing well for their countries.

Brendaniel:
Let me ask you a question, If Peter Obi was the president today and Nigeria is currently the way it is, and Tinubu had never been president, would you say there is no better alternative to Peter Obi?

If Peter Obi was the president, Nigeria wouldn't have been like this ,it would have been worse ! Therefore I will say that Tinubu is a better alternative to Peter Obi.

sigmax:
If Peter Obi was the president, Nigeria wouldn't have been like this ,it would have been worse ! Therefore I will say that Tinubu is a better alternative to Peter Obi.

You are judging someone without a trial, How can you mark someone's sheet without allowing the person write at all?

You see why I said what you are doing like this stems from an ideology...

Let me ask you again, in Tinubu and Buhari, who is better?

Brendaniel:
You are judging someone without a trial, How can you mark someone's sheet without allowing the person write at all?

You see why I said what you are doing like this stems from an ideology...

Let me ask you again, in Tinubu and Buhari, who is better?

There was a trial already ,both Peter Obi and Tinubu were governors .

You can judge how a student will perform in higher class by the exam they wrote in lower classes and how they performed in the entrance examination to higher classes .

Between Tinubu and Buhari ,Tinubu is better .

Enough with the gaslighting and tell us why your position doesn't stems from ideological issues .

sigmax:
There was a trial already ,both Peter Obi and Tinubu were governors .

You can judge how a student will perform in higher class by the exam they wrote in lower classes and how they performed in the entrance examination to higher classes .

Between Tinubu and Buhari ,Tinubu is better .

Enough with the gaslighting and tell us why your position doesn't stems from ideological issues .

So Tinubu is better, why then did you people from south west and Tinubu support the one who was worse before supporting Tinubu who you all claim is better to become president?

Brendaniel:
So Tinubu is better, why then did you people from south west and Tinubu support the one who was worse before supporting Tinubu who you all claim is better to become president?

Firstly, you don't know where I'm from so I guess you are suffering from ideological issues .

Two ,Peter Obi that you spoke about earlier became popular nationwide when he deputized Atiku ,why didn't he refuse the deputy slot then and contest as a president ? Even though Atiku is still his boss ,he's silently considered as corrupt and incompetent comparer to Obi by Obidients .

sigmax:
Firstly, you don't know where I'm from so I guess you are suffering from ideological issues .

Two ,Peter Obi that you spoke about earlier became popular nationwide when he deputized Atiku ,why didn't he refuse the deputy slot then and contest as a president ? Even though Atiku is still his boss ,he's silently considered as corrupt and incompetent comparer to Obi by Obidients .

Let me answer your own question, Atiku was better than Buhari and Peter Obi was not planning to run for president at the time...

So please answer my question...

why then did you people from south west and Tinubu support the one who was worse before supporting Tinubu who you all claim is better to become president?

Brendaniel:
Let me answer your own question, Atiku was better than Buhari and Peter Obi was not planning to run for president at the time...

So please answer my question...

why then did you people from south west and Tinubu support the one who was worse before supporting Tinubu who you all claim is better to become president?

Now to use your answer to answer , Tinubu also wasn't ready when Buhari contested .

About your claim ,on what metric is Atiku better than Buhari ?

My first response also answer why "we" SWners supported Buhari and also ,GEJ performance was awful ,high corruption,low development and insecurity became full blown under his leadership.

sigmax:
Now to use your answer to answer , Tinubu also wasn't ready when Buhari contested .

About your claim ,on what metric is Atiku better than Buhari ?

My first response also answer why "we" SWners supported Buhari and also ,GEJ performance was awful ,high corruption,low development and insecurity became full blown under his leadership.

Firstly I never asked about GEJ, I was specific with Buhari, secondly Tinubu used his own mouth to say the reason why he supported Buhari was so he could become president after Buhari...

Which means he always had the plan even before supporting Buhari...

Meaning you are admitting that Tinubu on purpose supported someone worse than him all because he wanted to be president and all of you his supporters joined him in the support like you are doing now for him against any other candidate...

Brendaniel:
Firstly I never asked about GEJ, I was specific with Buhari, secondly Tinubu used his own mouth to say the reason why he supported Buhari was so he could become president after Buhari...

Which means he always had the plan even before supporting Buhari...

Meaning you are admitting that Tinubu on purpose supported someone worse than him all because he wanted to be president and all of you his supporters joined him in the support like you are doing now for him against any other candidate...

You never spoke about GEJ but you asked why Buhari was supported massively ,which was why I said he was suported because GEJ was a failure .

Tinubu saying that he supported Buhari so that he could become president after him doesn't invalidate my response that he wasn't ready when Buhari contested .

sigmax:
You never spoke about GEJ but you asked why Buhari was supported massively ,which was why I said he was suported because GEJ was a failure .

Tinubu saying that he supported Buhari so that he could become president after him doesn't invalidate my response that he wasn't ready when Buhari contested .

Let's even assume Tinubu was not ready, then the person you called a failure performed better than Buhari, but you people voted Buhari in a second term...

So because Tinubu was not ready he supported a worse person twice into office and you people joined him to do it?

Brendaniel:
Let's even assume Tinubu was not ready, then the person you called a failure performed better than Buhari, but you people voted Buhari in a second term...

So because Tinubu was not ready he supported a worse person twice into office and you people joined him to do it?

Buhari was voted for second term because his contestant Atiku was worse ,it's all about calculation which I think you and your people lacked .

Two ,on what metric was GEJ better than Buhari?

sigmax:
Buhari was voted for second term because his contestant Atiku was worse ,it's all about calculation which I think you and your people lacked .

Two ,on what metric was GEJ better than Buhari?

It seems like you people's definition of better and worse is skewed to be always negative...

You people's first decision of Buhari was that he was better than GEJ, your second decision was that he was also better than Atiku, then that Tinubu is better than Peter Obi, but the country is the way it is today

You see why I told you earlier on that Nigeria is currently the way it is because of ideological conflict, because if Nigeria is not better off today than it was under GEJ after you people claimed you have chosen the best leaders after him, then you want normal thinking Nigerians to believe you people?

The thing pushing you is an ideology, and it is an ideology that causes you people to lie and convince yourselves to believe and live in that lie as reality, that's why Nigeria is the way it is today but that ideology will never make you accept the truth..

That's what makes you people hate the truth and fight anyone who speaks the truth while you see them as enemies, it is an ideology...

Please if you are to counter my argument, please present them with data like I have done...

Brendaniel:
It seems like you people's definition of better and worse is skewed to be always negative...

You people's first decision of Buhari was that he was better than GEJ, your second decision was that he was also better than Atiku, then that Tinubu is better than Peter Obi, but the country is the way it is today

You see why I told you earlier on that Nigeria is currently the way it is because of ideological conflict, because if Nigeria is not better off today than it was under GEJ after you people claimed you have chosen the best leaders after him, then you want normal thinking Nigerians to believe you people?

The thing pushing you is an ideology, and it is an ideology that causes you people to lie and convince yourselves to believe and live in that lie as reality, that's why Nigeria is the way it is today but that ideology will never make you accept the truth..

That's what makes you people hate the truth and fight anyone who speaks the truth while you see them as enemies, it is an ideology...

Please if you are to counter my argument, please present them with data like I have done...

You have no idea of negativity and positivity but you just want to gaslight that other peoples choice is negative because it doesn't align with yours .

Your second paragraph is correct .

I will like to see the truth you've present led that I hate or erroneous ideology I've presented ,again this is another gaslight. Doesn't work with me or any sensible person.

Between Trump and Biden ,who do you consider the better president between them ? I will come back to this after you responded.

There are several metrics to judge and you've presented a few so I will respond to that , how much was oil under GEJ and how much was oil under Buhari ? Because that's the major source of revenue to Nigeria which other economic aspects you listed are attached to .


Also ,the foreign reserves data was wrong ,it declined heavily under GEJ but Rose under Buhari .

About insecurity,Buhari fought terrorism more than GEJ but GEJ owns the blame because he allowed it to fester , if it's been nipped at inception , Buhari wouldn't have to handle more insecurities . Also GEJ administration experience a lot of security funds corruption which includes the popular Dasuki 2bm dollars embezzelement and Oritsejafor PJ money laundering.


Also ,Buhari wasn't actually voted because of economic outlook then but because of fight against corruption and terrorism,while Buhari government perform woefully economically even despite COVID 19,there's less corruption compared to GEJ and he fought boko haram decisively which led to rise of banditry because their central hold has been destroyed. Also ,in terms of infrastructure,Buhari performed better .

Now ,when you said we are where we are today despite voting people we considered better ,what you failed to consider is where are we going to be of we had voted for the people you considered better ?

Perhaps bokoharam would have taken over Also rock and economy would have totally collapsed because of naira defense and also definitely all infrastructure would have been degraded and abandoned .

sigmax:
You have no idea of negativity and positivity but you just want to gaslight that other peoples choice is negative because it doesn't align with yours .

Your second paragraph is correct .

I will like to see the truth you've present led that I hate or erroneous ideology I've presented ,again this is another gaslight. Doesn't work with me or any sensible person.

Between Trump and Biden ,who do you consider the better president between them ? I will come back to this after you responded.

There are several metrics to judge and you've presented a few so I will respond to that , how much was oil under GEJ and how much was oil under Buhari ? Because that's the major source of revenue to Nigeria which other economic aspects you listed are attached to .


Also ,the foreign reserves data was wrong ,it declined heavily under GEJ but Rose under Buhari .

About insecurity,Buhari fought terrorism more than GEJ but GEJ owns the blame because he allowed it to fester , if it's been nipped at inception , Buhari wouldn't have to handle more insecurities . Also GEJ administration experience a lot of security funds corruption which includes the popular Dasuki 2bm dollars embezzelement and Oritsejafor PJ money laundering.


Also ,Buhari wasn't actually voted because of economic outlook then but because of fight against corruption and terrorism,while Buhari government perform woefully economically even despite COVID 19,there's less corruption compared to GEJ and he fought boko haram decisively which led to rise of banditry because their central hold has been destroyed. Also ,in terms of infrastructure,Buhari performed better .

Now ,when you said we are where we are today despite voting people we considered better ,what you failed to consider is where are we going to be of we had voted for the people you considered better ?

Perhaps bokoharam would have taken over Also rock and economy would have totally collapsed because of naira defense and also definitely all infrastructure would have been degraded and abandoned .

Like I said earlier, if you don't present any data to back up your claims, then everything you wrote here is rubbish, provide data to back up your claims to show Buhari performed better, then I will answer you...

Provide data like I have done, no data no response, because you people lie a lot, show me data that Buhari performed better than GEJ...

Brendaniel:
Like I said earlier, if you don't present any data to back up your claims, then everything you wrote here is rubbish, provide data to back up your claims to show Buhari performed better, then I will answer you...

Provide data like I have done, no data no response, because you people lie a lot, show me data that Buhari performed better than GEJ...

Don't be a joke,data matters but that's lazy analysis. Data without backstory is just decoration. Even some of the data you presented are wrong ,like in the case of external reserves .


Start with the exchange rate. Yes, the naira fell further under Buhari than under Jonathan. But ask why. Jonathan spent $145 billion defending the naira over five years ,more than any administration in Nigeria's history and still handed over a currency that eventually cracked anyway. Buhari spent less ($125 billion) over eight years and, crucially, didn't hollow out the reserves doing it. In fact, Nigeria's foreign reserves fell to $29.6 billion by the time Jonathan left office. Under Buhari, they climbed as high as $40 billion and closed at $35 billion.

Now the oil price question, because this is the one you skipped .Jonathan governed during one of the biggest oil booms Nigeria has ever seen,prices averaged around $91 a barrel through his tenure, touching over $100 for three straight years. Buhari inherited a collapsed oil market and spent most of his presidency working with roughly $62 a barrel. It's like comparing your lifestyles when your salary was 1m to when it decreased to 500k.

Whatever Buhari built, he built it with roughly a third less money coming in. Whatever Jonathan failed to build, he failed with the tide fully behind him.


Under Jonathan, Boko Haram festered. It abducted 276 schoolgirls from Chibok, seized and held territory across three states, and by 2014 had killed around 6,000 civilians. The government's response was widely seen as slow and directionless this was during the inceptionnstage that it should have been tacked . Buhari came in, brought regional forces to the table, and by 2016 had pushed the insurgency out of the territory it held, declaring it "technically defeated." A war that was being lost got turned around.


Infrastructure tells its own story too, and the Second Niger Bridge is the perfect case study. Jonathan flagged it off in 2014, a ground-breaking ceremony, a promise, a photo op a year before an election. No real funding was ever locked down. Buhari actually cancelled that dead-end contract in 2015, came back with real financing through the Presidential Infrastructure Development Fund, and by 2022 the bridge was open. One president gave a speech at the site. The other one built the thing. That's the difference between a promise and a delivery.

What of corruption,the likes of Dasuki ,Oduah ,Madueke etc are still battling corruption cases.


None of this means Buhari's presidency was flawless , but that's exactly the point: nobody wins on every metric. The question is never "who did everything right," it's "who did more right, with less, under harder conditions." Think about it that way ,money available, security inherited, promises versus delivery, embezzelement etc. Buhari comes out ahead on average.

sigmax:
[b]Don't be a joke,data matters but that's lazy analysis. [/b]Data without backstory is just decoration. Even some of the data you presented are wrong ,like in the case of external reserves .


Start with the exchange rate. Yes, the naira fell further under Buhari than under Jonathan. But ask why. Jonathan spent $145 billion defending the naira over five years ,more than any administration in Nigeria's history and still handed over a currency that eventually cracked anyway. Buhari spent less ($125 billion) over eight years and, crucially, didn't hollow out the reserves doing it. In fact, Nigeria's foreign reserves fell to $29.6 billion by the time Jonathan left office. Under Buhari, they climbed as high as $40 billion and closed at $35 billion.

Now the oil price question, because this is the one you skipped .Jonathan governed during one of the biggest oil booms Nigeria has ever seen,prices averaged around $91 a barrel through his tenure, touching over $100 for three straight years. Buhari inherited a collapsed oil market and spent most of his presidency working with roughly $62 a barrel. It's like comparing your lifestyles when your salary was 1m to when it decreased to 500k.

Whatever Buhari built, he built it with roughly a third less money coming in. Whatever Jonathan failed to build, he failed with the tide fully behind him.


Under Jonathan, Boko Haram festered. It abducted 276 schoolgirls from Chibok, seized and held territory across three states, and by 2014 had killed around 6,000 civilians. The government's response was widely seen as slow and directionless this was during the inceptionnstage that it should have been tacked . Buhari came in, brought regional forces to the table, and by 2016 had pushed the insurgency out of the territory it held, declaring it "technically defeated." A war that was being lost got turned around.


Infrastructure tells its own story too, and the Second Niger Bridge is the perfect case study. Jonathan flagged it off in 2014, a ground-breaking ceremony, a promise, a photo op a year before an election. No real funding was ever locked down. Buhari actually cancelled that dead-end contract in 2015, came back with real financing through the Presidential Infrastructure Development Fund, and by 2022 the bridge was open. One president gave a speech at the site. The other one built the thing. That's the difference between a promise and a delivery.

What of corruption,the likes of Dasuki ,Oduah ,Madueke etc are still battling corruption cases.


None of this means Buhari's presidency was flawless , but that's exactly the point: nobody wins on every metric. The question is never "who did everything right," it's "who did more right, with less, under harder conditions." Think about it that way ,money available, security inherited, promises versus delivery, embezzelement etc. Buhari comes out ahead on average.

The bolded is the only part I read, for you to call data lazy analysis then you are not serious, no wonder Nigeria is the way it is today, because people who reason like you are currently the people in power and they have supporters like you who reason like them

Provide data to back your claim or you keep wasting your time...

Brendaniel:
The bolded is the only part I read, for you to call data lazy analysis then you are not serious, no wonder Nigeria is the way it is today, because people who reason like you are currently the people in power and they have supporters like you who reason like them

Provide data to back your claim or you keep wasting your time...

You're actually a lazy reader ,that's why you didn't read my response ,you would have found each data that responded with the lazy and erroneous data you provided .

No wonder you can't win an election .

sigmax:
You're actually a lazy reader ,that's why you didn't read my response ,you would have found each data that responded with the lazy and erroneous data you provided .

No wonder you can't win an election .

You want me to waste my time reading nonsense lies without any data to back it up?

Are you for real ?

I've noticed something about you Tinubu supporters, you people hate data, because it exposes your lies, present data with your claims and I will read it, you want me to waste my time reading rubbish without any data to back it up...

You called my data erroneous, then provide the right one and prove me wrong...

You think I am an irrational thinker like you and Tinubu?

Brendaniel:
You want me to waste my time reading nonsense lies without any data to back it up?

Are you for real ?

I've noticed something about you Tinubu supporters, you people hate data, because it exposes your lies, present data with your claims and I will read it, you want me to waste my time reading rubbish without any data to back it up...

You called my data erroneous, then provide the right one and prove me wrong...

You think I am an irrational thinker like you and Tinubu?

Lol ,you've seen descending to ridicule since I bursted your lies ,it's a sign of a cornered rat glaring at defeat.

Again,if you're not a lazy thinker churning out face value and erroneous data,you would have gone through my response .

But as usual,obidients are known for creating a scenario in their head and consider it as infallible.

sigmax:
Lol ,you've seen descending to ridicule since I bursted your lies ,it's a sign of a cornered rat glaring at defeat.

Again,if you're not a lazy thinker churning out face value and erroneous data,you would have gone through my response .

But as usual,obidients are known for creating a scenario in their head and consider it as infallible.

Leave all these nonsense you are writing, just present data to show that you are not lying, that is all...

Is that too hard to present?

So you can't present a single data to back up everything you said, any person can say anything, only data will support anything you have said, anything you have said without data is a lie..

If you claim my data is wrong, present your own to show that my own is wrong, that is how rational thinkers behave...

If I say Obi built 10,000 aeroplanes in Anambra, would you believe me if I don't present data to back it up?

Same way In don't believe you if you don't present data, Like I said I am not an irrational thinker like you and Tinubu...

Please prove me wrong with your own data, is that too hard for you to do?

Brendaniel:
Leave all these nonsense you are writing, just present data to show that you are not lying, that is all...

Is that too hard to present?

So you can't present a single data to back up everything you said, any person can say anything, only data will support anything you have said, anything you have said without data is a lie..

If you claim my data is wrong, present your own to show that my own is wrong, that is how rational thinkers behave...

If I say Obi built 10,000 aeroplanes in Anambra, would you believe me if I don't present data to back it up?

Same way In don't believe you if you don't present data, Like I said I am not an irrational thinker like you and Tinubu...

Please prove me wrong with your own data, is that too hard for you to do?

You're just rambling like a headless chicken ,else you would have gone back to read my post .

But I get you ,you're scared of it .

sigmax:
You're just rambling like a headless chicken ,else you would have gone back to read my post .

But I get you ,you're scared of it .

I didn't read any of those your long posts, sincerely speaking, I made it clear that if there is no data attached then I will count it as lies and pass it.

All these while you have been arguing would have been used to provide your data if you are actually a serious person , you just remind me of Tinubu...

Major on the minor and minor on the major, irrational thinkers with irrational decisions...

Simple to provide data and prove me wrong is looking impossible to you, please prove me wrong...

Brendaniel:
I didn't read any of those your long posts, sincerely speaking, I made it clear that if there is no data attached then I will count it as lies and pass it.

All these while you have been arguing would have been used to provide your data if you are actually a serious person , you just remind me of Tinubu...

Major on the minor and minor on the major, irrational thinkers with irrational decisions...

Simple to provide data and prove me wrong is looking impossible to you, please prove me wrong...

Lol ,so in your big brain ,data is only provided as a picture ? I laugh in nsobu nsobu .