₦airaland Forum

Helinuse:
Out of their goodwill to correct and train these children,
These teachers become victims of circumstance.

If I were the president, I would issue an executive order stating that, just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice, so also should teachers be protected.

A parent will send out a sick child to school, and the child will be among the most untrained and stressful, and then when someone corrects such a child, news like this comes out.

My heart goes first to the teacher and her family.

doctors are held accountable for their patients both criminally and by their own peers too.

I wonder the kind of education must of you and the 9 souls who liked your post received.

There's a thin line between discipline and assault and in some cases, teachers cross this very line.

Retraining, unlearning and relearning is all that's required of you not posts and comments that show no standards.

Nigeria educators are always in haste to go physical with their students, or pupils..

During my time as an educator, I never brought a cane into my classroom, and I encountered fewer behavioral issues compared to classrooms where caning was a regular practice.

Oversabi don put this one for wahala.

Helinuse:
Out of their goodwill to correct and train these children,
These teachers become victims of circumstance.

If I were the president, I would issue an executive order stating that, just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice, so also should teachers be protected.

A parent will send out a sick child to school, and the child will be among the most untrained and stressful, and then when someone corrects such a child, news like this comes out.

My heart goes first to the teacher and her family.

Your 3rd paragraph is exactly the reason corporal punishment for students or pupils is illogical.

Leave that aspect for parents and focus on impacting knowledge.

Many of these teachers are actually untrained, which is why they don't see any other solution apart from going physical.

You don't know what a child is passing through,

You go just carry cain, start to dey flog with reckless abandon.

Na she don enter wahala...

Blunt99:
Your 3rd paragraph is exactly the reason corporal punishment for students or pupils is illogical.

Leave that aspect for parents and focus on impacting knowledge.

Many of these teachers are actually untrained, which is why they don't see any other solution apart from going physical.

You don't know what a child is passing through,

You go just carry cain, start to dey flog with reckless abandon.

Na she don enter wahala...

Notice that you weren't confident enough to recommend any solution?

If you know your child is passing through a lot, why not leave him at home?

Whether you like it or not, the things he is going through will put him down. Teachers or fellow students will only be unlucky to be victims of taking the blame.

Helinuse:
Notice that you weren't confident enough to recommend any solution?

If you know your child is passing through a lot, why not leave him at home?

Whether you like it or not, the things he is going through will put him down. Teachers or fellow students will only be unlucky to be victims of taking the blame.

Never mind...

Go carry cain dey flog people children simply because they misbehave (as kids would),

Anything you see for inside,

Na your cross.

🤤

Nice one. Na go and face the full rot of the law. 🧑‍⚖️👩‍⚖️👨‍⚖️

moje4:
It takes a very strong mind to be a teacher. I am a teacher and I know what am saying. This children do things sometimes that will make u wonder if they are possess. The ability to overlook and be cool minded makes you a good teacher

E no easy to teach children o. Chai, I remember my days at Tender foot and Divine step.

muyico:
To avoid mobs action
He gat sense

Its she not he, read well

motymop:
Damn! Things dey happen for naija

So many angry people in this country.

Schools need teachers to take anger management classes so that they won't overdo and end up in jail

If a teacher can beat a child to death imagine what that teacher is doing to his or her kid

Some teachers disguise their cruelty under instilling discipline

You lack experience. Do you think that whenever thesdia sensationally puts flog to death headline that it means senseless flogging. A student has dies after receiving just about two mild strokes of the cane. Mind you very moderate in line with ethics. So sometimes it is not what you think.

Helinuse:
Out of their goodwill to correct and train these children,
These teachers become victims of circumstance.

If I were the president, I would issue an executive order stating that, just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice, so also should teachers be protected.

A parent will send out a sick child to school, and the child will be among the most untrained and stressful, and then when someone corrects such a child, news like this comes out.

My heart goes first to the teacher and her family.

You are experienced, probably a teacher to have captured the true image of the situation. And some media would intentionally put 'flog to death' to deliberately sentionalise it.

geoworldedu:
I'm a teacher myself and it takes extra effort to be able to scale through teaching these children successfully without things like this occuring. The children of nowadays are not trainable, not ready to learn and very stubborn. I pity the teachers of years to come.

I cannot come and kee myself trying to correct these stubborn children, especially given the situation of the country. Most children are not well fed, some sick, some with bags and baggages. Nothing concern me with cane.

The news of Anambra women killing and abusing maids and children is getting too much lately.
Prof Soludo should start a re-orientation for Anambra people and enact severe punishments for culprits.

Helinuse:
Out of their goodwill to correct and train these children,
These teachers become victims of circumstance.

If I were the president, I would issue an executive order stating that, just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice, so also should teachers be protected.

A parent will send out a sick child to school, and the child will be among the most untrained and stressful, and then when someone corrects such a child, news like this comes out.

My heart goes first to the teacher and her family.

Backwardness has finished this one. Why beat a child to the extent of passing even if the child must be caned? To what extent does “spare the rod” becomes excessive? Also ask – which offences deserve such punishments? Reaching for the cane as a first line of action is the same reason many Nigerians can’t obey the laws and follow regulations without force application. Anyone who becomes barbaric in his profession should end up behind bars. Simple

Helinuse:
Notice that you weren't confident enough to recommend any solution?

If you know your child is passing through a lot, why not leave him at home?

Whether you like it or not, the things he is going through will put him down. Teachers or fellow students will only be unlucky to be victims of taking the blame.

A child with a condition or “going through a lot” deserves education too. Back in my school days we had kids with varying health issues where we saw teachers ignore the pleas of these kids stating their conditions and proceed to flog them. Not because these kids caused trouble but because they missed the cutoff in a test or part of flogging the entire class and no one must be spared. I saw how ruthless teachers became and turned themselves into torture machines.

The world is evolving and so is education and teaching practices. One without patience or kindness should not attempt being a teacher.

Also on the fellow students mentioned as being potential “victims”, what I can say is the most probable victim are school bullies. People should keep their hands to themselves.

ChilledNik:
A child with a condition or “going through a lot” deserves education too. Back in my school days we had kids with varying health issues where we saw teachers ignore the pleas of these kids stating their conditions and proceed to flog them. Not because these kids caused trouble but because they missed the cutoff in a test or part of flogging the entire class and no one must be spared. I saw how ruthless teachers became and turned themselves into torture machines.

The world is evolving and so is education and teaching practices. One without patience or kindness should not attempt being a teacher.

Also on the fellow students mentioned as being potential “victims”, what I can say is the most probable victim are school bullies. People should keep their hands to themselves.

Still going through your reply, I want you to check whether you presented any alternatives to the teaching methods we adopt in Africa.

I can clearly show you the implications of transposing the Western-style education into our own society. No Nigerian kid has ever complained of "mental health" issues and gone forward to harm others, just as you see in the West.

If you are putting off a system, we expect it to be replaced with a better one. What is that system?

ChilledNik:
Backwardness has finished this one. Why beat a child to the extent of passing even if the child must be caned? To what extent does “spare the rod” becomes excessive? Also ask – which offences deserve such punishments? Reaching for the cane as a first line of action is the same reason many Nigerians can’t obey the laws and follow regulations without force application. Anyone who becomes barbaric in his profession should end up behind bars. Simple

Did you notice that you agree that there is an "even if the child must be caned?"
Simply means you are part of the backwardness. Abi?

lezz:
doctors are held accountable for their patients both criminally and by their own peers too.

I wonder the kind of education must of you and the 9 souls who liked your post received.

There's a thin line between discipline and assault and in some cases, teachers cross this very line.

Retraining, unlearning and relearning is all that's required of you not posts and comments that show no standards.

Notice that the most uneducated people are the ones who rush out to talk about others being "uneducated"?


No doctor is ever held liable for the outcome of their standard practice.
They are only held accountable for malpractices and negligence.
Little do you know, but quick to run around talking about other people's "kind of education."

The standard practice in that school includes corporal punishment.
The school and the parents know.
She has taught there for more than 20 years, with the same method, and nothing like this has happened.

But a 23-year-old boy is here talking about 9 souls.

Helinuse:
Still going through your reply, I want you to check whether you presented any alternatives to the teaching methods we adopt in Africa.

I can clearly show you the implications of transposing the Western-style education into our own society. No Nigerian kid has ever complained of "mental health" issues and gone forward to harm others, just as you see in the West.

If you are putting off a system, we expect it to be replaced with a better one. What is that system?

There are millions of nigerian children with mental illness believe it or not. I wonder how you came to your ridiculous conclusion that NO nigerian kid has ever complained of mental illness you probarbly wouldn't believe them should they complain of mental illness because of this your warped mindset. Do You even know what mental illness is? Or how it works? People with mental illness do not even know most times that they are suffering from mental illness a bit like yourself. There are so many forms of mental illness. Stress, depression, lack of sleep, anxiety, nervous break downs and many more are classed as mental illness.

And oh! there are millions of children in the "west" as you call it who do not suffer from mental illness or has gone forward to harm others like you assumed.


You come on here arguing in favour of a teacher who battered a 12 year old to death in the name of flogging, a helpless child that can not hit back. It doesn't matter what the child did he didn't deserve to be assaulted by a grown 47 year old adult. Adult misbehave many times who flogs them? No one!

If people cannot teach without battering people's children they shouldn't be teachers it isn't byforce to be a teacher.. battering and assaulting a child is not part of teaching just teach the kids! Not assault and batter them! only Saddists teachers who cannot teach beats helpless children. There are many children with Autism and anxiety issues in nigeria nigerian so called teacher are not trained to recognise these conditions all they is misbehaving child, and how do they handle him or her? Just flog them! Beat them! Assault them it will teach them lessons

She is lucky, if that child was any of my relatives that teacher would have gone missing forever. Nonsense!

LordLicifer:
There are millions of nigerian children with mental illness believe it or not. I wonder how you came to your ridiculous conclusion that NO nigerian kid has ever complained of mental illness you probarbly wouldn't believe them should they complain of mental illness because of this your warped mindset. Do You even know what mental illness is? Or how it works? People with mental illness do not even know most times that they are suffering from mental illness a bit like yourself. There are so many forms of mental illness. Stress, depression, lack of sleep, anxiety, nervous break downs and many more are classed as mental illness.

And oh! there are millions of children in the "west" as you call it who do not suffer from mental illness or has gone forward to harm others like you assumed.


You come on here arguing in favour of a teacher who battered a 12 year old to death in the name of flogging, a helpless child that can not hit back. It doesn't matter what the child did he didn't deserve to be assaulted by a grown 47 year old adult. Adult misbehave many times who flogs them? No one!

If people cannot teach without battering people's children they shouldn't be teachers it isn't byforce to be a teacher.. battering and assaulting a child is not part of teaching just teach the kids! Not assault and batter them! only Saddists teachers who cannot teach beats helpless children.

She is lucky, if that child was any of my relatives that teacher would have gone missing forever. Nonsense!

I know I am talking to a guy who just passed JAMB. So let me start by saying Congratulations.

But also, I never claimed that Nigerians "don't have mental illness," but also, I stand by what I said, "no Nigerian has ever had any form of mental illness and displayed it by mass attack on a skool." The difference is the training that is borne out of actions and consequences.

Secondly, I want you to notice the end of your comment: you clearly stated that you can do worse (kidnapping and...).
Meaning that I will read every comment of your a s projection of a personal character to the teacher.
I understand that there is a generation of Nigerians that has been taught to transfer the responsibility for their poor choices to three particular groups, in the form of anger: Teachers, Parents, and Pastors (religious leaders). Your anger doesn't come from the fact that a child was lost, but from the fact that it was a Teacher. That is why you are using the word "battered" instead of "discipline." The Teacher simply disciplined the child the way she has disciplined others for 20 years, some of whom have become Engineers, Doctors, Professors, etc. This was a circumstance based on the child's health condition.

Keep on bro.
The next thing for you to do is to blame your Pastor for bad choices and add your parents to the blame as well. That is supposed to be the complete trend. First, teachers; then, pastors; then, parents. You are on level 1; you will get there. Keep trying.

Helinuse:
I know I am talking to a guy who just passed JAMB. So let me start by saying Congratulations.

But also, I never claimed that Nigerians "don't have mental illness," but also, I stand by what I said, "no Nigerian has ever had any form of mental illness and displayed it by mass attack on a skool." The difference is the training that is borne out of actions and consequences.

Secondly, I want you to notice the end of your comment: you clearly stated that you can do worse (kidnapping and...).
Meaning that I will read every comment of your a s projection of a personal character to the teacher.
I understand that there is a generation of Nigerians that has been taught to transfer the responsibility for their poor choices to three particular groups, in the form of anger: Teachers, Parents, and Pastors (religious leaders). Your anger doesn't come from the fact that a child was lost, but from the fact that it was a Teacher. That is why you are using the word "battered" instead of "discipline." The Teacher simply disciplined the child the way she has disciplined others for 20 years, some of whom have become Engineers, Doctors, Professors, etc. This was a circumstance based on the child's health condition.

Keep on bro.
The next thing for you to do is to blame your Pastor for bad choices and add your parents to the blame as well. That is supposed to be the complete trend. First, teachers; then, pastors; then, parents. You are on level 1; you will get there. Keep trying.

You don't know me! stop with the assumptions, stop sounding like a weirdo you don't know me, what does JAMB mean? I am a 35 years old man with 6 children you know me yet have never met me, what an ignoramus, you are even more ridiculous than i gave you credit for...

Of course! You would stand by your ignorant assertions because you have never known any better

You really know me, you and i are married and live together..

I am not going to waste many times engaging with a person who thinks they know me. What would be the point? You already know me! but i will respond to some of your nonsense

Did you say pastor? I am not even religious, pastors are worst than teachers they abuse children in the name of religion, parents? Parents are not perfect we as parents make mistakes sometimes we are humans we do our best to raise good kids. I bet you have no child or children so what would you know. I never beat my kids once you beat your kids or child you have lost your parenting abilities. If you beat a child everyday for making the same mistake can you not see that the beating isn't working? But No you keep battering the child until he dies. I use BATTERING because the child died! You mow run! Discipline wouldn't kill the child would it?

Nigerians hides behind the word discipline to assault poor defenceless children. Sad adults taking their frustrations out on defenceless school kids in the name of teaching them.

I am not your bro! You don't know me!

Helinuse:
Notice that the most uneducated people are the ones who rush out to talk about others being "uneducated"?


No doctor is ever held liable for the outcome of their standard practice.
They are only held accountable for malpractices and negligence.
Little do you know, but quick to run around talking about other people's "kind of education."

The standard practice in that school includes corporal punishment.
The school and the parents know.
She has taught there for more than 20 years, with the same method, and nothing like this has happened.

But a 23-year-old boy is here talking about 9 souls.

Do you need to embarrassingly edit your own comments to explain yourself? That's an implicit admission of guilt. Your ground-shifting is amusing: I see pride without tact or skills.



Here's your first comment I challenged: "just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice"

When I exposed you, you quickly rephrased here : "No doctor is ever held liable for the outcome of their standard practice."

And the difference is clear. It took 4 clicks for you to grasp the threshold of common sense.

here's the key difference between both your statements: standard practice and any outcome of their practice. Big difference. But I'm glad you had to walk your own comments back and relearn.

Remember in the context of your claim that doctors cannot be held liable for the outcome of their practice, you likened it that teachers cannot be held liable for the outcome when they flog a student even with visible marks of violence and abuse. And I wonder at the formal level of education you wield.

The rest of your statements about the school shows you're emotionally connected to the disgraced fleeing teacher or you're possibly a teacher there. And that puts your qualifications to question again.

Here are quick questions you would love to dodge:

Will you and your sister explain the physical marks on the corpse of the dead student?

If this boy is sick from home as you claimed, would not an attentive teacher be aware and notice a sick child all day in school?

Does a 49 year-old adult like you don't know that flogging has been generally discouraged in schools since the Child's Rights Act was passed in 2003?

Why has your teacher been running and hiding since she allegedly flooded this 11 year old student to death?

lezz:
Do you need to embarrassingly edit your own comments to explain yourself? That's an implicit admission of guilt. Your ground-shifting is amusing: I see pride without tact or skills.



Here's your first comment I challenged: "just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice"

When I exposed you, you quickly rephrased here : "No doctor is ever held liable for the outcome of their standard practice."

And the difference is clear. It took 4 clicks for you to grasp the threshold of common sense.

here's the key difference between both your statements: standard practice and any outcome of their practice. Big difference. But I'm glad you had to walk your own comments back and relearn.

Remember in the context of your claim that doctors cannot be held liable for the outcome of their practice, you likened it that teachers cannot be held liable for the outcome when they flog a student even with visible marks of violence and abuse. And I wonder at the formal level of education you wield.

The rest of your statements about the school shows you're emotionally connected to the disgraced fleeing teacher or you're possibly a teacher there. And that puts your qualifications to question again.

Here are quick questions you would love to dodge:

Will you and your sister explain the physical marks on the corpse of the dead student?

If this boy is sick from home as you claimed, would not an attentive teacher be aware and notice a sick child all day in school?

Does a 49 year-old adult like you don't know that flogging has been generally discouraged in schools since the Child's Rights Act was passed in 2003?

Why has your teacher been running and hiding since she allegedly flooded this 11 year old student to death?

Don't mind that ignoramus

Helinuse:
Out of their goodwill to correct and train these children,
These teachers become victims of circumstance.

If I were the president, I would issue an executive order stating that, just as no doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their standard practice, so also should teachers be protected.

A parent will send out a sick child to school, and the child will be among the most untrained and stressful, and then when someone corrects such a child, news like this comes out.

My heart goes first to the teacher and her family.

Thank goodness!! An ignorant mow run like you is not the president! Many nigerian children would have been battered to death in the name of teaching them or as you claimed disciplining them.

LordLicifer:
Thank goodness!! An ignorant mow run like you is not the president! Many nigerian children would have been battered to death in the name of teaching them or as you claimed disciplining them.

Who are you, please?
I don't know you.

Helinuse:
Who are you, please?
I don't know you.

Ignorant question, anyway, i am Lord Lucifer!

lezz:
Do you need to embarrassingly edit your own comments to explain yourself? That's an implicit admission of guilt. Your ground-shifting is amusing: I see pride without tact or skills.



Here's your first comment I challenged: "just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice"

When I exposed you, you quickly rephrased here : "No doctor is ever held liable for the outcome of their standard practice."

And the difference is clear. It took 4 clicks for you to grasp the threshold of common sense.

here's the key difference between both your statements: standard practice and any outcome of their practice. Big difference. But I'm glad you had to walk your own comments back and relearn.

Remember in the context of your claim that doctors cannot be held liable for the outcome of their practice, you likened it that teachers cannot be held liable for the outcome when they flog a student even with visible marks of violence and abuse. And I wonder at the formal level of education you wield.

The rest of your statements about the school shows you're emotionally connected to the disgraced fleeing teacher or you're possibly a teacher there. And that puts your qualifications to question again.

Here are quick questions you would love to dodge:

Will you and your sister explain the physical marks on the corpse of the dead student?

If this boy is sick from home as you claimed, would not an attentive teacher be aware and notice a sick child all day in school?

Does a 49 year-old adult like you don't know that flogging has been generally discouraged in schools since the Child's Rights Act was passed in 2003?

Why has your teacher been running and hiding since she allegedly flooded this 11 year old student to death?

Do you notice how angry you sound?
You are somehow very angry that I have to edit my comments to help people, as you understand yourself better.
Not to understand me, but to understand yourself.
Throwing "your sister", "you", etc., everywhere does not help you get any wiser, bro. It only gives you a feeling of "I am louder."


"just as no Doctor can be held liable for any outcome of their practice"
What is medical practice? Is medical practice ever supposed to be without the bounds of standard?
As an 18-year-old boy, you should at least know that all medical practices in the hospital have their own standards. The moment the word "standard" is involved in a discussion on medical practice, it is either that the practitioner is in question, or the comprehension of the other party is in question. In this case, it is the latter. It's just like saying "please cook for me." The moment you say it as "please cook good food for me," it implies that the person doing the cooking is not known for cooking well, or that the person has a comprehension problem.

I even had to make it clear to you that the school's standard practice, known to the authorities and the parents, was corporal punishment. Rushing to cite the Child's Rights Act of 2003 as a gotcha was the crux for me. . I am very sure you chop the most chawuz in your just concluded secondary school because the still respected customary principles in the South and North grant parents and "schoolmasters" the automatic legal authority to use physical force for correction. After you chop your own finish, you come dey vibrate online.

Moreover, I am 59 yrs old.

LordLicifer:
You don't know me! stop with the assumptions, stop sounding like a weirdo you don't know me, what does JAMB mean? I am a 35 years old man with 6 children you know me yet have never met me, what an ignoramus, you are even more ridiculous than i gave you credit for...

Of course! You would stand by your ignorant assertions because you have never known any better

You really know me, you and i are married and live together..

I am not going to waste many times engaging with a person who thinks they know me. What would be the point? You already know me! but i will respond to some of your nonsense

Did you say pastor? I am not even religious, pastors are worst than teachers they abuse children in the name of religion, parents? Parents are not perfect we as parents make mistakes sometimes we are humans we do our best to raise good kids. I bet you have no child or children so what would you know. I never beat my kids once you beat your kids or child you have lost your parenting abilities. If you beat a child everyday for making the same mistake can you not see that the beating isn't working? But No you keep battering the child until he dies. I use BATTERING because the child died! You mow run! Discipline wouldn't kill the child would it?

Nigerians hides behind the word discipline to assault poor defenceless children. Sad adults taking their frustrations out on defenceless school kids in the name of teaching them.

I am not your bro! You don't know me!

First, I don't need to know you. I don't care to. I don't want to. I only needed to listen to how you think and map your age to the level of reasoning. JAMB level is even too high. I overestimated it. Trust me. That is because I am a very generous person.


Secondly, I told you, Pastors are next!
Did you see how you easily attacked "pastors" even when claiming "I am not even religious" (assuming you are a Christian, although most probably not, but will hide behind being a former one).

Then you went ahead to say, "Parents are not perfect, we as parents make mistakes sometimes ... we do our best to raise good kids."
But let's assume that Teachers are PERFECT. You see where your goal post shifts for you?

"If you beat a child everyday for making the same mistake can you not see that the beating isn't working?"
Are you saying that the method you use with your children ensures they NEVER repeat the mistake? If so, why didn't you mention that method. It surely would have been the breakthrough in pedagogical psychology But I guess it doesn't exist. But somehow, you want the teacher to manufacture a method better than what they know works very well.

You mow run! Discipline wouldn't kill the child would it?
First, being angry doesn't make you right, bro. Throwing the word "mow run" everywhere doesn't necessarily give you a better position in a conversation. It never gives. The teacher has taught for more than 20 years. And that is not the first child she has disciplined. It has worked for her. This was a circumstance. You can go protest all you want.

LordLicifer:
Ignorant question, anyway, i am Lord Lucifer!

What is the meaning of "ignorant question"

Helinuse:
What is the meaning of "ignorant question"

Question that makes no sense