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StarchAndBanga:
Last Champions league win by ur darling club, formation used was 3-4-3

Last league win by ur darling club, 3-5-2

If three at the back would make Chelsea start competing for league titles and champions leagues again then that's good news.

4-4-2 fanatics like urself should go and support other Clubs that play ur preferred formation

Is there any other club winning consistently with 3 ATB?

They are all one season wonders who are easily figured out, whether Leverkusen, previous Chelsea iterations, Amorim etc

Consistent winners Madrid, Barca, City, PSG, Bayern are all 4-3-3 teams. That's how you build identity and consistency

airmark:
Ofcourse as he rushed to buy 100m central defender before buying 117m attacker.

Weeed is dangerous.

This one don start again.

nateevs:
This one don start again.

He no say he dey reason stop na

Ibime:
Is there any other club winning consistently with 3 ATB?

They are all one season wonders who are easily figured out, whether Leverkusen, previous Chelsea iterations, Amorim etc

Consistent winners Madrid, Barca, City, PSG, Bayern are all 4-3-3 teams. That's how you build identity and consistency

It's not true. There are just statistically more managers that play 4ATB. Just like at some point in history, there were statistically more managers playing 4-4-2 than 4-3-3.

Let's not also forget that said consistent winners sign the best quality players in every position, consistently.....a very important point that must not be ignored.

The game always evolves

Many more managers now might appear to line up with 4ATB; they quickly invert one of the full backs into midfield positions in attempt to overload the midfield during attacking phases of play. That is effectively a 3ATB. But you don't look at it this way because they are not using wing backs.

PSG may line up with a back 4 on paper.... they quickly move into a back 3 in the attacking phases of play, with Vintinha taking up a LB position in a back 3, and Neves pushing up very high. A very unusual tactical approach.

Pep and Enrique have already won consistently, without strict 4ATB tactical set ups.

You guys are pushing myths.

I did prefer we go big for nmecha .

Height+ ball carrying=gold mine

nateevs:
It's not true. There are just statistically more managers that play 4ATB. Just like at some point in history, there were statistically more managers playing 4-4-2 than 4-3-3.

Let's not also forget that said consistent winners sign the best quality players in every position, consistently.....a very important point that must not be ignored.

The game always evolves

Many more managers now might appear to line up with 4ATB; they quickly invert one of the full backs into midfield positions in attempt to overload the midfield during attacking phases of play. That is effectively a 3ATB. But you don't look at it this way because they are not using wing backs.

PSG may line up with a back 4 on paper.... they quickly move into a back 3 in the attacking phases of play, with Vintinha taking up a LB position in a back 3, and Neves pushing up very high. A very unusual tactical approach.

Pep and Enrique have already won consistently, without strict 4ATB tactical set ups.

You guys are pushing myths.

Continue

Others are dropping skillful technical players (you mentioned Vitinha) into the back and releasing 2 killer fullbacks meaning more technical players on the pitch

Others still are releasing a very good fullback into midfield meaning they are actually starting with only 2 centre backs and 1 fullback, while the other supposed full back is a decoy midfielder

You are starting with 3 centre back lumps who are the least technical players on a team and still have 2 fullbacks

You can move a midfielder into centre back or a fullback into midfield, but you cannot turn a centre back into a midfielder

The reason more use 4-3-3 is because it works better, quite simply

The objective of the 4-3-3 is to gather the most skillful players while 3 at the back gather the most unskilful players. Unless my centre backs are decoy midfielders like Lucio, Mathias Sammer, Beckenbauer or Lothar Matheus, I don't want to hear any 3 ATB. We no even get one skillful centreback talk less of finding a 3rd

And let's not forget the cardinal non-negotiable - you cannot control midfield consistently with 3 ATB. The strive for midfield control which all great teams are founded upon requires a triangle of midfielders. Bayern, Barca, PSG, City all strive for it that's why they have 3 midfielders and try to add more by putting a fullback to join them.

I'm disappointed that Alonso who made his name in a triumvirate with Busquet and Xavi for Spain will subscribe to Amorim philosophy. But I'm not surprised that our fraudulent technical directors who have so far sold themselves as technical experts in a 4-3-3 have no ethos or philosophy and will jump from pillar to post. Bayern, Liverpool, Barca, Madrid can never employ Alonso without demanding 4-3-3. The reason Liverpool overlooked Alonso is because they have an ethos and identity despite Alonso being their legend.

Bimmarlykay:
Start thinking and stop letting clowns online think for you,he's 39 scoring historical world cup goals and dragging mediocre country like Argentina to finals without Di Maria.

Why Rodri no get 1 assist?

Historical World Cup goals against who?? Algeria, Austria, Cabo Verde, Jordan, Egypt. That's who he scored against

Argentina had 2 World Cup titles and like 50 Copas before he was born. You people have been brainwashed and that's why you keep regurgitating this 'carrying' nonsense when everyone can see that the way Argentina is set up. Everyone is playing around Messi. That is why he is covering the same distance with goalkeepers and Argentina can still compete

You Messi stans are really annoying and that is why we are so happy they lost.

Rodri does not need to provide an assist. That's not his role description. He created the second most chances. From DM position. Fraudsquets never did that

Bimmarlykay:
Na Senior man for Spain make Rodri win that thing,nothing much.

Pedri's introduction led to a goal,Rodri was just forming activity so the coach yanked him off,who takes away their key man in an intense match?

You keep hyping Muller like he did anything aside goals, I've challenged you to bring his overall stats,we no dey Akanchawa beer parlor abeg .

At least you're admitting he's a senior man. We are making progress

This is controlling a game so that your Messi is rendered useless and toothless for 120 minutes of football. What Rodri does is not for the simple minded oh

Muller scored more goals (5) and provided more assists (3) than Messi while winning the competition. If that did not win him the Golden Ball in 2014 then Messi does not deserve it in 2026. End of story

Bimmarlykay:
Oga, free agenda,if someone can say Spain winning means Ronaldo won WC,and another said Enzo gave Messi WC. I can say Argentina is like Cape Verde.

User09:
Did you not understand my post?

I'm making a point around consistency. Same criticism made against Messi in the final should also be applied against Müller.

So why saying he was robbed?

You're saying Messi deserved to win the 2014 balon dor over Muller because Muller failed to register a shot on target, right?
And I'm saying same Messi didn't register a shot on target in that match. The 2014 final, not 2026.

AirBere:

The Ramos pics nah real? Lol

I think so ..
Some say na messi he dey pepper others day na Cristiano..
But how can you pepper person wey get pikin ? Na common sense na.
Good morning from Merino .. awa own Balon D'or winner

andrewbaba44:
So rodri own is to be twerking for Real Madrid everyday and Perez doesn’t want to get him ?

Signing Rodri is the only way they can have a chance to win Laliga sha ,I hope they don’t and the ballon d or beef shall continue 😁

I don't see Madrid doing anything with an outdated coach

drisham:
I don't see Madrid doing anything with an outdated coach

Of course mou is outdated

But you see signing Rodri will really change their team no matter what

Their midfield is not all that

Jamiuokolaa:
Di Maria...

una dy funny.

Di Maria dy carry messi, but messi provided two assist in finalissima and scored two goals in world cup final 22.

But na di Maria give am the trophy

Bluelines69:
All this for someone who made the final? What exactly are we talking about here

I wonder ooo, some of the greatest players in football history never reached a World Cup semifinal, let alone back-to-back finals. Yet somehow, a player who won the World Cup in 2022 and then led his country to another final 4 years later is being told he should have retired because he didn't win it again. That's an incredibly unrealistic standard.
Sometimes I genuinely wonder how people arrive at these conclusions, the only reason this argument even exists is because Messi has set the bar so unbelievably high that people now judge him by standards no one else is expected to meet. For almost every player, reaching two consecutive World Cup finals would be celebrated as an extraordinary achievement. Somehow, for Messi, it's treated as failure simply because he didn't win the second one.
How do you describe someone who takes a second-place out of thousands and millions of footballers who participated in the tournament a failure?
That is a ridiculous take.

Ibime:
Is there any other club winning consistently with 3 ATB?

They are all one season wonders who are easily figured out, whether Leverkusen, previous Chelsea iterations, Amorim etc

Consistent winners Madrid, Barca, City, PSG, Bayern are all 4-3-3 teams. That's how you build identity and consistency

Most of this teams play 4 at the back in lineup.

In possession its 3 at the back, sometimes even two at the back

lordfalcao:
una dy funny.

Di Maria dy carry messi, but messi provided two assist in finalissima and scored two goals in world cup final 22.

But na di Maria give am the trophy

Messi's awoof PK in 2022 WC final was via a foul on Di Maria.

All the Copa America finals where Messi ghosted - it was Di Maria that bailed them out with MOTM performances.

As Di Maria nor dey a few days ago, Messi registered 0 shots on target in a final as usual and failed Argentina once again.

No Di Maria, no party!

Cristiano should go and find who go carry am too ..

Cristiano should go and find who go carry am too chikena ..

Jamiuokolaa:
Messi's awoof PK in 2022 WC final was via a foul on Di Maria.

All the Copa America finals where Messi ghosted - it was Di Maria that bailed them out with MOTM performances.

As Di Maria nor dey a few days ago, Messi registered 0 shots on target in a final as usual and failed Argentina once again.

No Di Maria, no party!

Messi scored two goals in 22 final, the second goal already put them 3-2 in extra time, which is more like a winning goal before France equalizer.

If messi did not score it first and France led at extra time,no coming back for Argentina and no world cup for dị Maria

lordfalcao:
Messi scored two goals in 22 final, the second goal already put them 3-2 in extra time, which is more like a winning goal before France equalizer.

If messi did not score it first and France led at extra time,no coming back for Argentina and no world cup for dị Maria

"if and buts" no follow for here - i am more concerned with the factos on ground;

▪︎Messi scored twice in the 2022 WC final - one of the goals came via an awoof PK (Foul on Di Maria).

• 2014 and 2026 finals wey di Maria nor dey, Messi failed miserably as usual - he couldnt muster a single shot on target.

• Copa America nko? Messi the ghost was found wanting on numerous occasions as usual. Di Maria to the rescue again.

•Even U23 Olympics, na still Di Maria carry the team.

Messi na confam tag along - na him type dey "gan" bus unto say him nor get transport money

fredoooooo:
I think so ..
Some say na messi he dey pepper others day na Cristiano..
But how can you pepper person wey get pikin ? Na common sense na.
Good morning from Merino .. awa own Balon D'or winner

Seems like it's a real pics lol so Ramos knows what he's doing.

Ramos in 2023: There was suffering for several years playing against Messi. I am now enjoying him. He is the best player football has ever produced.

Meanwhile, Team of the tournament is out. Merino's boy no dey oo. Where una keep am?

Jamiuokolaa:
"if and buts" no follow for here - i am more concerned with the factos on ground

▪︎Messi scored twice in the 2022 WC final - one of the goals came via a PK (Foul on Di Maria).

• 2014 and 2026 finals wey di Maria nor dey, Messi failed miserably as usual - he couldnt muster a single shot on target.

• Copa America nko? Messi the ghost was found wanting on numerous occasions as usual. Di Maria to the rescue again.

•Even U23 Olympics, na still Di Maria carry the team.

Messi na confam tag along - na him type dey "gan" bus unto say him nor get transport money

case closed.

Those of us who watched the biggest football tournament saw how messi delivered in the biggest stage from start to finish, scoring Multiple goals and Multiple final goals.

The so called carrier scored 1 goal in all competition.

Every morning dị Maria wakes up, he prays in the name of messi for delivering the glorious world cup

U23 Olympics, group stage, messi score, di maria no score

quater final, Messi score, dị Maria score

Final, Messi drop assist for Di Maria to finish.

But na Di Maria carry Messi.

Ana emenu

Ibime:
Is there any other club winning consistently with 3 ATB?

They are all one season wonders who are easily figured out, whether Leverkusen, previous Chelsea iterations, Amorim etc

Consistent winners Madrid, Barca, City, PSG, Bayern are all 4-3-3 teams. That's how you build identity and consistency

Exactly what i told him.

popizaino:
Exactly what i told him.

And none is also playing 4-4-2 at the moment

lordfalcao:
case closed.

Those of us who watched the biggest football tournament saw how messi delivered in the biggest stage from start to finish, scoring Multiple goals and Multiple final goals.

The so called carrier scored 1 goal in all competition.

Every morning dị Maria wages up, he prays in the name of messi for delivering the glorious world cup

U23 Olympics, group stage, messi score, di maria no score

quater final, Messi score, dị Maria score

Final, Messi drop assist for Di Maria to finish.

But na Di Maria carry Messi.

Ana emenu

2014 WC final - Messi failed miserably

2026 WC final - Another Abysmal performance

Common denominator? Di Maria's absence!

Copa America triumphs - Di Maria with 2 MOTM performances.

Messi has been a monumental failure for Argentina...especially in finals with his GK stats

fredoooooo:
I think so ..
Some say na messi he dey pepper others day na Cristiano..
But how can you pepper person wey get pikin ? Na common sense na.
Good morning from Merino .. awa own Balon D'or winner

Ramos just Dey recreate jare

lordfalcao:
una dy funny.

Di Maria dy carry messi, but messi provided two assist in finalissima and scored two goals in world cup final 22.

But na di Maria give am the trophy

Di maria Dey carry Messi but na Messi Dey win MVP

I remember 2022 wey di maria don Dey bench Dey Cry after France score 2-2

Omo people Dey really talk nonsense sha 😂

MorataFC:
I wonder ooo, some of the greatest players in football history never reached a World Cup semifinal, let alone back-to-back finals. Yet somehow, a player who won the World Cup in 2022 and then led his country to another final 4 years later is being told he should have retired because he didn't win it again. That's an incredibly unrealistic standard.
Sometimes I genuinely wonder how people arrive at these conclusions, the only reason this argument even exists is because Messi has set the bar so unbelievably high that people now judge him by standards no one else is expected to meet. For almost every player, reaching two consecutive World Cup finals would be celebrated as an extraordinary achievement. Somehow, for Messi, it's treated as failure simply because he didn't win the second one.
How do you describe someone who takes a second-place out of thousands and millions of footballers who participated in the tournament a failure?
That is a ridiculous take.

If you think say na the standard dem set for Messi then na play you Dey o 😁

You have to say rubbish to make yourself look happy when it comes to Messi

fredoooooo:
Cristiano should go and find who go carry am too ..

The warey want vitinha Bruno and co to carry him when he didn’t carry the likes of Figo nuno Gomes and co 😁

Jamiuokolaa:
2014 WC final - Messi failed miserably

2026 WC final - Another Abysmal performance

Common denominator? Di Maria's absence!

Copa America triumphs - Di Maria with 2 MOTM performances.

Messi has been a monumental failure for Argentina...especially in finals with his GK stats

These are shalayes, because the tournament did not just start in a final.

We can remember how messi contributed 9 goals out of 12 that Argentina scored

We can remember how messi score one and assisted two goals in their 3-0 quater final

We can remember his assist in the semi final.

Join top scorer with 4 goals, top assist with 5 goals.

4 MOTM award.

Di Maria will even poor you spit for saying he carried Messi in Copa America