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Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Ahmeduana(m): 4:27pm On Jul 24
Is INEC saying who plays the pipe dictates the tune, in other words inec will dance to the rigging tune of Tinubu APC grin
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Kalulu44: 4:32pm On Jul 24
Shimran:
🤣🤣🤣

Only two to three parties will be existing going by your recommendations.

Looking forward to seeing the post. 👍
Hahaha, if it's so let it be. But I doubt it will be so. There's too much money in this country and that's a chicken change to many politicians wanting to form a party.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by NwaIgboBoy(m): 5:59pm On Jul 24
Shimran:
That's a good idea @ bold. At least, a source of fund that's not government backed. Thank you bro 😊
I object to that, sir.

Reason: Political parties should not, in any way, have any relationship involving the funding of INEC. That is like inviting a pedophile to spend time alone with your young daughter while you're away. It's an unnecessary and dangerous risk.

Once political parties are given any avenue to fund the electoral body, it opens the door to backdoor influence, lobbying, and undue pressure. Considering the nature of Nigerian politics, politicians will always find ways to exploit such access
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Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Sabadon(m): 6:01pm On Jul 24
a case of he who pays the piper determines the tune
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Shimran(m): 6:06pm On Jul 24
NwaIgboBoy:
I object to that, sir.

Reason: Political parties should not, in any way, have any relationship involving the funding of INEC. That is like inviting a pedophile to spend time alone with your young daughter while you're away. It's an unnecessary and dangerous risk.

Once political parties are given any avenue to fund the electoral body, it opens the door to backdoor influence, lobbying, and undue pressure. Considering the nature of Nigerian politics, politicians will always find ways to exploit such access
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Someone made a suggestion. It seems he's tried.
I was asking how could INEC be independent completely. Could you please answer?
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by tiwasiaife(m): 9:38pm On Jul 24
An indictment that he can't conduct free and fair election.
Prof. Mahmoud pro.max.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by lawani(m): 10:21pm On Jul 24
INEC can raise funds by selling cards for online voting. Many people are afraid to come out during elections because of violence or they are simply in another city. Some will buy online voting scratch cards at up to 10k per card or more if put on sale
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Yusufisraelj(m): 11:22pm On Jul 24
OnionBandit:
For those who know, he is saying the truth. Any organization or institution without financial autonomy can never be fair in its dealings.
Very true. I think citizens should contribute and the chairman's appointment should be probably rotational among university VC by open selection in a box where it's rolled and picked at random to announce the next chairman. The University that's picked will not be on the next selection circle.

Where quarrel go day na where your person no win, you no go wan contribute again. It can be made civic duty like stamp duty. This one ho be Inec duty.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by franvincoop: 11:38pm On Jul 24
So INEC should start selling the ability to vote online 10k or more? Genius! grin
Please where did you copy this idea from?
Bangladesh, Egypt or Argentina?
Or from your dealer?



lawani:
INEC can raise funds by selling cards for online voting. Many people are afraid to come out during elections because of violence or they are simply in another city. Some will buy online voting scratch cards at up to 10k per card or more if put on sale
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by NwaIgboBoy(m): 3:00am On Jul 25
Shimran:
Someone made a suggestion. It seems he's tried.
I was asking how could INEC be independent completely. Could you please answer?
Short answer: INEC is already independent enough, where their funding comes from doesn't qualify dependency to interrupt their deliverables. After they are all ways funded enough as they proposed or request for before any general elections.

So pleae forget that man, the current regime is already buying him, which I believe he would definitely agree to, afterall, they brought him in. So he is simply looking for excuses to bank on after he failed the system (rigging the election to the favour of that party).

That is called strategy and proactiveness.

My recommendation: Let the presidency stop appointment of INEC chairperson, it contradicts, and they can never bring in someone who they haven't bargained with. Politician na Politician, even when they are sleeping, all they dream of is how to influence by fire by force.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by OlujobaSamuel: 5:09am On Jul 25
Shimran:
🤣🤣🤣

Only two to three parties will be existing going by your recommendations.

Looking forward to seeing the post. 👍
I subscribe to parties paying high for registration, but I don't think individual should pay their nomination to INEC, parties should still be paying for that also.
Btw, before, do you know that INEC pay parties some sort of allowance, that's why we were having so much parties like University admission list, I think Buhari later stopped it and remove that part of the law.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by lawani(m): 8:02am On Jul 25
Yusufisraelj:
Very true. I think citizens should contribute and the chairman's appointment should be probably rotational among university VC by open selection in a box where it's rolled and picked at random to announce the next chairman. The University that's picked will not be on the next selection circle.

Where quarrel go day na where your person no win, you no go wan contribute again. It can be made civic duty like stamp duty. This one ho be Inec duty.
What power does the INEC Chairman have to determine the result of an election? Not much. President Good luck Jonathan did not want to lose and President Buhari was not in full support of President Bola Tinubu. So who will lose will lose and who will win will win regardless of who is INEC chairman. He can't be in thousands of polling units at the same time and he can't reject what was sent to any collation center. No INEC officer can stop what everybody in a polling unit want to do too. So the fretting over who is INEC chairman is totally misplaced. INEC can not stop any state from voting ninety percent for any candidate
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Yusufisraelj(m): 11:47am On Jul 25
lawani:
What power does the INEC Chairman have to determine the result of an election? Not much. President Good luck Jonathan did not want to lose and President Buhari was not in full support of President Bola Tinubu. So who will lose will lose and who will win will win regardless of who is INEC chairman. He can't be in thousands of polling units at the same time and he can't reject what was sent to any collation center. No INEC officer can stop what everybody in a polling unit want to do too. So the fretting over who is INEC chairman is totally misplaced. INEC can not stop any state from voting ninety percent for any candidate
I read you correctly, but let me point out an omission from your deposition.

I have been a presiding officer in an election cycle, the problem is not at the polling units, but the state collation center's. I was in Kaduna when a particular candidate won and right there and then the results were muddled by a powerful political figure for the second person to be the winner.

Check the last Edo State election, it was marred by gross irregularities thanks to the forensic records who showed by polling units that PDP won but APC got the upper hand.

The thing is ELECTION RESULTS CAN BE TAMPERED WITH AT STATE AND LGA COLLATION CENTERS IF IT LARGELY REMAINS MANUAL INPUT. That's why we have irev, why didn't it work on the presidential elections?

The goal of the irev is to show election results at polling units level across the country where it is most accurate and reflect's the will of the people, so that the national headquarters can see it and just wait for state collation centers to ratify it.

Until we have this level of transparency, I don't believe any figure released is credible data that reflects the will of the people at a national level, which should be studied for more insight on voters demography and influence on choices: which is very key by the way to understand the citizenry.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by lawani(m): 11:55am On Jul 25
Yusufisraelj:
I read you correctly, but let me point out an omission from your deposition.

I have been a presiding officer in an election cycle, the problem is not at the polling units, but the state collation center's. I was in Kaduna when a particular candidate won and right there and then the results were muddled by a powerful political figure for the second person to be the winner.

Check the last Edo State election, it was marred by gross irregularities thanks to the forensic records who showed by polling units that PDP won but APC got the upper hand.

The thing is ELECTION RESULTS CAN BE TAMPERED WITH AT STATE AND LGA COLLATION CENTERS IF IT LARGELY REMAINS MANUAL INPUT. That's why we have irev, why didn't it work on the presidential elections?

The goal of the irev is to show election results at polling units level across the country where it is most accurate and reflect's the will of the people, so that the national headquarters can see it and just wait for state collation centers to ratify it.

Until we have this level of transparency, I don't believe any figure released is credible data that reflects the will of the people at a national level, which should be studied for more insight on voters demography and influence on choices: which is very key by the way to understand the citizenry.
While malpractice is possible as everything is, it isn't at all easy. If it were easy, why was the APC not able to win the SE? Why was the LP not able to win the NW? Why was Jonathan not able to save himself? If you have your party agents at every polling unit as a party and they can't be intimidated, I don't see how the election can be rigged against you. If they are not there or they can be intimidated then you will lose. In short if you do the required work and the conditions favor you then you will win. No INEC can stop you
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by Yusufisraelj(m): 9:00pm On Jul 25
lawani:
While malpractice is possible as everything is, it isn't at all easy. If it were easy, why was the APC not able to win the SE? Why was the LP not able to win the NW? Why was Jonathan not able to save himself? If you have your party agents at every polling unit as a party and they can't be intimidated, I don't see how the election can be rigged against you. If they are not there or they can be intimidated then you will lose. In short if you do the required work and the conditions favor you then you will win. No INEC can stop you
Inec can my brother. We have over 176,000 polling units. It's a logistical nightmare sending agents to each location.
Re: INEC Cannot Be Independent Without Financial Autonomy — Amupitan by commoditiesnig(m): 9:20pm On Jul 25
Well said prof.

OnionBandit:
For those who know, he is saying the truth. Any organization or institution without financial autonomy can never be fair in its dealings.
Exactly!
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