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How is it concerning? And who should be concerned?

BlackViper:
How is it concerning? And who should be concerned?

Any right thinking individual reading that passage should be concerned about Satan tempting God with what was already God's.

But was it already God's? If it was already His, why did He say: "My Kingdom is not of this world"?

AntiChristian:
Any right thinking individual reading that passage should be concerned about Satan tempting God with what was already God's.

BlackViper:
How is it concerning? And who should be concerned?

I wonder ooo

AntiChristian:
Satan was aware that Jesus was God since he related well with God before the fall! Yet he tempted God with what was already God's!

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Can you count how many times you have been tempted/deceived over a thing only to later find that it was already yours?

The Bible just shows who sayt is which is that as long as he is alive and he can reach you, he must come to deceive you. That is the concern

AntiChristian:
In the Bible, Satan was related to have tempted Jesus (who happens to be God).
... Satan was aware that Jesus was God since he related well with God before the fall! Yet he tempted God with what was already God's! Isn't this concerning?

It is only as concerning as Job Chapter 1 is concerning. Satan was designed by his creator to do as programmed, and he did exactly that in both scenarios, revealing that there was no flaw in his programming.😐😐

Kobojunkie:
It is only as concerning as Job Chapter 1 is concerning. Satan was designed by his creator to do as programmed, and he did exactly that in both scenarios, revealing that there was no flaw in his programming.😐😐

That's not fully true. This is more concerning than Job 1 where Job was clearly a righteous man and Satan had to appear among the Jesuses (i mean sons of God) to whine God to permit him to tempt Job by taking away his health and properties.

The matter here is more concerning since Satan who knew God from Eden came to tempt God with what belongs to God. As in, how can Kobojunkie tempt me with a TV that belongs to me?

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AntiChristian:
➜That's not fully true. This is more concerning than Job 1 where Job was clearly a righteous man and Satan had to appear among the Jesuses (i mean sons of God) to whine God to permit him to tempt Job by taking away his health and properties.
➜ The matter here is more concerning since Satan who knew God from Eden came to tempt God with what belongs to God. As in, how can ... tempt me with a TV that belongs to me?

1. Job belonged to YHWH so also Satan-- he was created by YHWH. Yet, Satan approached YHWH in order to get permission from YHWH to abuse Job. 😐😐

2. I am not YHWH who programmed Satan to do what he does. And yes, a clever individual could actually tempt you using what already belongs to you. 😐😐

Dtruthspeaker:
Can you count how many times you have been tempted/deceived over a thing only to later find that it was already yours?

The Bible just shows who sayt is which is that as long as he is alive and he can reach you, he must come to deceive you. That is the concern

You should count yours! But i don't think Satan can tempt God!

BlackViper:
But was it already God's? If it was already His, why did He say: "My Kingdom is not of this world"?

Error 404!

The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it. Psalm 24:1

To the Lord your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it. Deuteronomy 10:14

Everything in the heavens and on earth is yours, O Lord. 1 Chronicles 29:11

Kobojunkie:
1. Job belonged to YHWH so also Satan-- he was created by YHWH. Yet, Satan approached YHWH in order to get permission from YHWH to abuse Job. 😐😐

Does that make Job is more important/righteous that Jesus? What i am saying is that Job is not God! Jesus is said to be God. He owns everything so why would Satan tempt God with what is his?

2. I am not YHWH who programmed Satan to do what he does. And yes, a clever individual could actually tempt you using what already belongs to you. 😐😐

How? Can you give an example?

AntiChristian:
➜ Does that make Job is more important/righteous that Jesus?
➜ What i am saying is that Job is not God!
➜ Jesus is said to be God. He owns everything so why would Satan tempt God with what is his? How? Can you give an example?

1. I fail to see how that makes the job seem more important than Jesus. 😐

2. OK? 🤔

3. Satan approached Jesus Christ of Israel the same way He approached God to make requests of Him --Note that Satan, in both instances, never imposed or asserted himself, as he, Satan, knew his place in their presence. Satan did not need to approach Job to make requests of him since Satan did not need permission from Job to carry out the tests he was permitted to carry out on his(Job's) life.

Kobojunkie:
1. I fail to see how that makes the job seem more important than Jesus. 😐

I'll make you see it. Satan met God (a combo of the three in one Christian God) wrt Job. Satan only met one person of God as in Jesus to tempt him without meeting the other two persons! You may counter this by saying all the three persons of God were present in Jesus too.

3. Satan approached Jesus Christ of Israel the same way He approached God to make requests of Him --Note that Satan, in both instances, never imposed or asserted himself, as he, Satan, knew his place in their presence. Satan did not need to approach Job to make requests of him since Satan did not need permission from Job to carry out the tests he was permitted to carry out on his(Job's) life.

Satan did not make requests from Jesus. He tempted him. It was not similar to what happened with God in Job, Satan sought permission in Job.
Don't be confused!

AntiChristian:
➜ I'll make you see it. Satan met God (a combo of the three in one Christian God) wrt Job. Satan only met one person of God as in Jesus to tempt him without meeting the other two persons! You may counter this by saying all the three persons of God were present in Jesus too.
➜ Satan did not make requests from Jesus. He tempted him. It was not similar to what happened with God in Job, Satan sought permission in Job. Don't be confused!

1. Where in the text is this claim of yours recorded? Provide a full reference. 🤔

2. A request can be presented in the form of an if-then statement, and that is what Satan made to Jesus Christ of Israel. 🤔

9 Satan answered the Lord, “But Job has a good reason to respect you.
10 You always protect him, his family, and everything he has. You have blessed him and made him successful in everything he does. He is so wealthy that his herds and flocks are all over the country.
11 But if you were to destroy everything he has, (then) I promise you that he would curse you to your face.” - Job 1 vs 9-10

... The above is from Satan's conversation with YHWH. Job, the man who faced the temptation from Satan, never received the same sort of courtesy from Satan. 🤔

3 The devil came to tempt him and said, “If you are the Son of God,(then) tell these rocks to become bread.”
4 Jesus answered him, “The Scriptures say, ‘It is not just bread that keeps people alive. Their lives depend on what God says.’”
5 Then the devil led Jesus to the holy city of Jerusalem and put him on a high place at the edge of the Temple area.
6 He said to Jesus, “If you are the Son of God, jump off, because the Scriptures say, ‘God will command his angels to help you, and their hands will catch you, so that you will not hit your foot on a rock.’”
7 Jesus answered, “The Scriptures also say, ‘You must not test the Lord your God.’” - Matthew 4 vs 3 - 7

Jesus Christ of Israel walked away after his conversation with Satan, and we read nothing else of it. 🤔

Nice try, but these are about nature and creation🤣

So back to the question at hand: Why did Christ say His kingdom is not of this world?

AntiChristian:
Error 404!

The earth is the Lord's, and everything in it, the world, and all who live in it. Psalm 24:1

To the Lord your God belong the heavens, even the highest heavens, the earth and everything in it. Deuteronomy 10:14

Everything in the heavens and on earth is yours, O Lord. 1 Chronicles 29:11

AntiChristian:
You should count yours! But i don't think Satan can tempt God!

Real eyeity has already proven that Ev. people NEVER RESPECT BOUNDARIES

Dtruthspeaker:
Real eyeity has already proven that Ev. people NEVER RESPECT BOUNDARIES

Satan tempted God with what God already has.

BlackViper:
Nice try, but these are about nature and creation🤣

So back to the question at hand: Why did Christ say His kingdom is not of this world?

Yeah, it's about the creation. God created everything so everything belongs to him. So why should Satan tempt God with what God created?

Kobojunkie:
1. Where in the text is this claim of yours recorded? Provide a full reference. 🤔

Jesus said He and his father are one! Back then Jesus wasn't a man yet so he must have been with his father with the Spirit. Do you need a reference for that?

2. A request can be presented in the form of an if-then statement, and that is what Satan made to Jesus Christ of Israel. 🤔
... The above is from Satan's conversation with YHWH. Job, the man who faced the temptation from Satan, never received the same sort of courtesy from Satan. 🤔
Jesus Christ of Israel walked away after his conversation with Satan, and we read nothing else of it. 🤔

The new testament is not a computer programing Book of if...then statements. Satan no dey do coding language!

In Job's case, Satan killed all Job's children, many slaves and all his properties were destroyed. He even became sick. That's temptation to a man.

On the other hand Jesus God was tempted with words (or as you call it "if...then" statements) . How about Satan killing Joseph, Mary and all Jesus's siblings and later Jesus becoming sick!

God created everything, but mankind sinned in the Garden of Eden and chose Satan over God.

So back to the question at hand: Why did Christ say His kingdom is not of this world?

AntiChristian:
Yeah, it's about the creation. God created everything so everything belongs to him. So why should Satan tempt God with what God created?

AntiChristian:
Satan tempted God with what God already has.

That is what ev people do

AntiChristian:
➜Jesus said He and his father are one! Back then, Jesus wasn't a man yet, so he must have been with his father with the Spirit. Do you need a reference for that?
➜ The new testament is not a computer programing Book of if...then statements. Satan no dey do coding language!
In Job's case, Satan killed all Job's children, many slaves and all his properties were destroyed. He even became sick. That's temptation to a man.
➜ On the other hand Jesus God was tempted with words (or as you call it "if...then" statements). How about Satan killing Joseph, Mary and all Jesus's siblings and later Jesus becoming sick![/color][/b]

1. In the very same Gospels from which you pulled that statement, Jesus Christ of Israel also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me," implying that the Father was also in Jesus Christ of Israel during the encounter with Satan. Does that make no meaning in this thread of reasoning you are attempting to run with? 🤔🤔

2. It does not need to be a programming book for if...then statements to matter. It is a book written in human language, and in human language, the details of the message matter. 🤔

3. Huh?😒

BlackViper:
God created everything, but mankind sinned in the Garden of Eden and chose Satan over God.

So back to the question at hand: Why did Christ say His kingdom is not of this world?

to explain that His mission and authority were spiritual, meaning He posed no political or military threat to the Roman Empire.

Dtruthspeaker:
That is what ev people do

Can Satan tempt God the father alone like he did Jesus?

Kobojunkie:
1. In the very same Gospels from which you pulled that statement, Jesus Christ of Israel also said, "I am in the Father and the Father is in me," implying that the Father was also in Jesus Christ of Israel during the encounter with Satan. Does that make no meaning in this thread of reasoning you are attempting to run with? 🤔🤔

Which also means the father died with Jesus on the Cross abi? Or the father was with the son when it favors the theory of trinity and not when it doesn't?

2. It does not need to be a programming book for if...then statements to matter. It is a book written in human language, and in human language, the details of the message matter. 🤔 Abeg, leave programming for programmer! Temptation na temptation! How do you explain tempting me with what belongs to me?

[quote]3. Huh?😒

Yes, just like Job na!

AntiChristian:
➜Which also means the father died with Jesus on the Cross abi?
➜ Or the father was with the son when it favors the theory of trinity and not when it doesn't?

It has to mean that because you say so, or this is what is recorded where? What you are invariably concluding here is that when one person dies, others die too? 🥱

2. You explain since you are the one coming up with these ideas from nowhere. And I am merely going along for the ride to see where you end up with this. 🥱🥱

3. So, did Satan also approach Job with a request for you to conclude the story of the other must end up like Job's too? 🥱🥱

Kobojunkie:
It has to mean that because you say so, or this is what is recorded where? What you are invariably concluding here is that when one person dies, others die too? 🥱

The same way you inferred that Jesus was with the father as one is the same way i said they were one on the cross too. Was Jesus not one with the father anymore?

2. You explain since you are the one coming up with these ideas from nowhere. And I am merely going along for the ride to see where you end up with this. 🥱🥱

Continue to tag along o!

3. So, did Satan also approach Job with a request for you to conclude the story of the other must end up like Job's too? 🥱🥱

Job's story was a temptation story! Job lost almost everything he had!

Jesus was an if....then request as you said. Jesus didn't lose anything! Not really a temptation!

And WHY did He pose no political or or military threat to the Romans?

Remember what Jesus told His apostles in Matthew 26:53?

Thinkest thou that I cannot now pray to my Father, and he shall presently give me more than twelve legions of angels?

Why would Jesus need to refuse military assistance from 12 legions of angels, if He was already the ruler of this world? Would a ruler refuse to protect His own Kingdom?

AntiChristian:
to explain that His mission and authority were spiritual, meaning He posed no political or military threat to the Roman Empire.

AntiChristian:
➜The same way you inferred that Jesus was with the father as one is the same way i said they were one on the cross too. Was Jesus not one with the father anymore?
➜ Continue to tag along o! Job's story was a temptation story! Job lost almost everything he had! Jesus was an if....then request as you said. Jesus didn't lose anything! Not really a temptation!

1. That was no inference! That was the word of Jesus Christ of Israel Himself. 🥱

11 Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me. Or believe because of the miracles I have done. - John 14 vs 11

So, the question again is, where do you get that the Father died with Jesus on the Cross? 🥱

2. So, every temptation story now comes with the requirement that one lose everything in the process of being tempted? Where do you get this conclusion of yours from? 🥱