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Jesus was a Jew. He never called his followers Christians. He was a Jew who preached a form of Judaism. He never opposed the Jewish laws. He never wrote any theology books. He never built a church. He taught in the Jewish synagogue.

The first written words about his ministry were written over 30 years after his purported death through the undisputed letters of Paul/Saul after his purported visionary encounter with the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus.

It was this that the unknown author of the texts in later titled gospel of Mark capitalised upon to write his own story of the Jesus ministry.
Note that Marks gospel reads like a quick summary of a human preacher called Jesus.
Luke and Mathew seized upon and copied Mark to write their later accounts of this ministry from their own point of view and to promote their varied agenda. Mathew was writing to impress the Jewish community while Luke wrote to impress the gentiles.
By the time the gospel of John was written in AD 90-100 the Jesus in Marks gospel had evolved from a human being to a divine god like being who is equal to God the Father and the Holy spirit in a holy trinity.

The cosmic Jesus in Paul's letters is made human by the writer of Mark. This Jesus is unsure of himself and warns people he healed not to talk about him as a messiah,however by the time the gospel of John was written Jesus has evolved and been embellished with myths that transform him into a self assured divine messiah who orders those he has healed to proclaim he is a messiah,a son of God,a trinity being equal to the father and the Holy spirit!
The longer time moved on from the first letters of Paul,so did the Jesus myth evolve,improvise and become embellished into a trinity by writers that NEVER met Jesus.
Paul who started the whole Christianity movement ,himself NEVER physically met Jesus EXCEPT through a vision.
So these are things no Christian is ever taught in their church. It is all an embellishment of a myth.
There might have been a missionary named Jesus but in all honesty Nobody can discern the real historical entity named Jesus from Paul's letter or from the anonymous gospels in the Bible.

The apotheosis of men into God like beings had been told in mythology of man-gods in Greek and Roman theology that had come eons before the Jesus character of the Bible.

Goosethetruth:
Jesus was a Jew. He never called his followers Christians. He was a Jew who preached a form of Judaism. He never opposed the Jewish laws. He never wrote any theology books. He never built a church. He taught in the Jewish synagogue.

The first written words about his ministry were written over 30 years after his purported death through the undisputed letters of Paul/Saul after his purported visionary encounter with the cosmic Jesus on the road to Damascus.

It was this that the unknown author of the texts in later titled gospel of Mark capitalised upon to write his own story of the Jesus ministry.
Note that Marks gospel reads like a quick summary of a human preacher called Jesus.
Luke and Mathew seized upon and copied Mark to write their later accounts of this ministry from their own point of view and to promote their varied agenda. Mathew was writing to impress the Jewish community while Luke wrote to impress the gentiles.
By the time the gospel of John was written in AD 90-100 the Jesus in Marks gospel had evolved from a human being to a divine god like being who is equal to God the Father and the Holy spirit in a holy trinity.

The cosmic Jesus in Paul's letters is made human by the writer of Mark. This Jesus is unsure of himself and warns people he healed not to talk about him as a messiah,however by the time the gospel of John was written Jesus has evolved and been embellished with myths that transform him into a self assured divine messiah who orders those he has healed to proclaim he is a messiah,a son of God,a trinity being equal to the father and the Holy spirit!
The longer time moved on from the first letters of Paul,so did the Jesus myth evolve,improvise and become embellished into a trinity by writers that NEVER met Jesus.
Paul who started the whole Christianity movement ,himself NEVER physically met Jesus EXCEPT through a vision.
So these are things no Christian is ever taught in their church. It is all an embellishment of a myth.
There might have been a missionary named Jesus but in all honesty Nobody can discern the real historical entity named Jesus from Paul's letter or from the anonymous gospels in the Bible.

The apotheosis of men into God like beings had been told in mythology of man-gods in Greek and Roman theology that had come eons before the Jesus character of the Bible.

I have gone over some of your threads in this section and I am baffled and disturbed as to why you have chosen to mislead innocent people with heresy and falsehood.
You write a lot of guess work with ultimately no shred of evidence. Provide evidence,not innuendos.

confusedlady:
I have gone over some of your threads in this section and I am baffled and disturbed as to why you have chosen to mislead innocent people with heresy and falsehood.
You write a lot of guess work with ultimately no shred of evidence. Provide evidence,not innuendos.

Since you sound 'polite', I ask you a question; Do you really believe that Mathew,Mark, Luke and John were the names of the authors of the four canonised gospels in the Bible?

Goosethetruth:
Since you sound 'polite', I ask you a question; Do you really believe that Mathew,Mark, Luke and John were the names of the authors of the four canonised gospels in the Bible?

It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

confusedlady:
It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

If the early church leaders decided to affix names to the gospels the simple question is: What else did they do?
Why did the church leaders decide that these FOUR gospels out of the uncountable number of gospel stories floating around at that period in time?
What made the elders and Emperor Constantine decide to elevate Jesus to a divine entity at the ecumenical council of Nicea in 325AD? Why did this same council decide and set the date for EASTER??
I hope you are also aware it was at the council of Ephesus in 431AD, that the church elders decided that Jesus is ONE person with two natures-(1) Divine (2) Human.
It was this same council that declared MARY as God bearer/mother of God.

Many Christians know nothing about the creeds of these ecumenical councils because they are not ready to do any research or investigate the ORIGINS of your religion.

Finally my point: With all these anonymous gospels which were written after the letters of Paul. With all the contradictions in these gospels. With all the translations/mistranslations. With all the interpolation and insertions. With all the Roman inspired creeds that govern Christianity where does the real,historical Jesus fit in? My belief is no-one can discover the real Jesus under the avalanche of embellishments and manufactured theology by the early church leaders and the Romans.

Goosethetruth:
If the early church leaders decided to affix names to the gospels the simple question is: What else did they do?
Why did the church leaders decide that these FOUR gospels out of the uncountable number of gospel stories floating around at that period in time?
What made the elders and Emperor Constantine decide to elevate Jesus to a divine entity at the ecumenical council of Nicea in 325AD? Why did this same council decide and set the date for EASTER??
I hope you are also aware it was at the council of Ephesus in 431AD, that the church elders decided that Jesus is ONE person with two natures-(1) Divine (2) Human.
It was this same council that declared MARY as God bearer/mother of God.

Many Christians know nothing about the creeds of these ecumenical councils because they are not ready to do any research or investigate the ORIGINS of your religion.

Finally my point: With all these anonymous gospels which were written after the letters of Paul. With all the contradictions in these gospels. With all the translations/mistranslations. With all the interpolation and insertions. With all the Roman inspired creeds that govern Christianity where does the real,historical Jesus fit in? My belief is no-one can discover the real Jesus under the avalanche of embellishments and manufactured theology by the early church leaders and the Romans.

Knowing all these knowledgeable factors why are you in the Christianity section all the time?
Why are you always talking about a book that is full of contradictions according to you all the time.
You and other atheists sound as if you are obsessed with the Bible and it's lovely message of hope.
If I may ask were you formerly a religious person? Which denomination did you formerly belong to ? It's alright if you are too shy to answer.

confusedlady:
Knowing all these knowledgeable factors why are you in the Christianity section all the time?
Why are you always talking about a book that is full of contradictions according to you all the time.
You and other atheists sound as if you are obsessed with the Bible and it's lovely message of hope.
If I may ask were you formerly a religious person? Which denomination did you formerly belong to ? It's alright if you are too shy to answer.

In answer to your questions.
I have been a Jehovah witness.
I have been a Methodist in fact I was born into Methodist songs.
I have been a white garment church member. [C&S]
I have been into Scripture Union in school(SU)
I understand religion very well.
That is why I am exposing the hypocrisy in all Abrahamic religions

I am not obsessed with your book of contradictions. I am exposing the falsehood and propaganda. Let Seun create an independent section for free thinkers and Agnostics like myself and see the Christianity section fade away .
Be informed,it is Agnostics and atheists that keep this section relevant!

Goosethetruth:
In answer to your questions.
I have been a Jehovah witness.
I have been a Methodist in fact I was born into Methodist songs.
I have been a white garment church member. [C&S]
I have been into Scripture Union in school(SU)
I understand religion very well.
That is why I am exposing the hypocrisy in all Abrahamic religions

I am not obsessed with your book of contradictions. I am exposing the falsehood and propaganda. Let Seun create an independent section for free thinkers and Agnostics like myself and see the Christianity section fade away .
Be informed,it is Agnostics and atheists that keep this section relevant!

If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

confusedlady:
It doesn't matter the names of who wrote the Gospels. The importance is to grasp the messages therein.
How does the message in the gospels touch your heart and how do you utilise the message in your life as a Christian.

1. What is the gospel message?
2. If it is about the message, does Jesus have to exist?

confusedlady:
If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

You are still not getting the point.
Would you be willing to embrace Islam? If no why not.
The same way you see Islam as a scam is same way we see Christianity as a scam. They have nothing to offer anybody. They were only created to control the minds of feeble men.

confusedlady:
If you have been into so many religious denominations and churches before becoming Agnostic as you claim then it is still possible for you to retrace your footsteps and in a full 360 degree turn around return into religion. You appear unstable but there is still hope for you. Jesus loves you.
Good morning.

The simple fact is that your Bible is SO CORRUPTED,that nothing inside it is what it was originally meant to mean or signify.
There is an avalanche of embellishment,translations,mistranslation,interpolation, editing,re-editing and injection of varied theological agendas to an extent that nothing in that book represents any historical character.
It is just a mind control propaganda tool.

Lol...
Refusal to critically examine facts of religion is to close down logic and rely on blind faith.

That is why when your pastor needs money he asks for the congregation to donate money to him in the guise of different offerings and tithe while when the members of the congregation need money,the pastor advises them to pray. What an irony and a sad juxtaposition. 😃😃

Goosethetruth:
The simple fact is that your Bible is SO CORRUPTED,that nothing inside it is what it was originally meant to mean or signify.
There is an avalanche of embellishment,translations,mistranslation,interpolation, editing,re-editing and injection of varied theological agendas to an extent that nothing in that book represents any historical character.
It is just a mind control propaganda tool.

This is a very weak and fallacious argument. (Fallacy of division/transformation.

Shakespeare's works too got treated the same way, yet, his messages and lessons still resound all over the world., so your argument is null

Dtruthspeaker:
This is a very weak and fallacious argument. (Fallacy of division/transformation.

Shakespeare's works too got treated the same way, yet, his messages and lessons still resound all over the world., so your argument is null

Shakespeare versus god.
Macbeth versus gospels of mathew.
Merchant of Venice vs genesis.

Lol..😁😁
Guy ??
So you agree that Revelation is the same as Julius Ceasar? All are books of fiction.
You compare a book of an omniscient and omnipotent god to plays and books by a mere mortal playwright like Shakespeare. Soon you will compare your bible to Homer's Odyssey.
Guy you are so funny that it borders on ridiculous!!!

Goosethetruth:
That is why when your pastor needs money he asks for the congregation to donate money to him in the guise of different offerings and tithe while when the members of the congregation need money,the pastor advises them to pray.

You are talking about false religions i've told you several times that such things doesn't occur in the true religion:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

Goosethetruth:
Shakespeare versus god.
Macbeth versus gospels of mathew.
Merchant of Venice vs genesis.

Lol..😁😁
Guy ??
So you agree that Revelation is the same as Julius Ceasar? All are books of fiction.
You compare a book of an omniscient and omnipotent god to plays and books by a mere mortal playwright like Shakespeare. Soon you will compare your bible to Homer's Odyssey.
Guy you are so funny that it borders on ridiculous!!!

You really should go and learn how to argue.

Apples are compared to apples and books are compared to books

So, your over extending the argument beyond that which is in issue and even adding to it just to give yourself an argument proves that you do not have any valid argument to make for they are fallacious.(Fallacy of appeal to the extreme and to the ridiculous/addition to post/Off Point)

So, clearly, you do not have any reasonable and valid argument to make in counter. So, this is you just making unnecessary noises

MaxInDHouse:
You are talking about false religions i've told you several times that such things doesn't occur in the true religion:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

Your JW is even more falls than the ones you have in mind.

Dtruthspeaker:
Your JW is even more falls than the ones you have in mind.

Mention the name of your own church before mentioning me i'm not interested in running after shadows.

If you can't mention the name of your church then forget it only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have the truth?🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Mention the name of your own church before mentioning me i'm not interested in running after shadows.

If you can't mention the name of your church then forget it only JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have the truth?🥱

Your lying here proves that jws are liars and my church is not inviting you

Dtruthspeaker:
Your lying here proves that jws are liars and my church is not inviting you

It's OK!

Dtruthspeaker:
You really should go and learn how to argue.

Apples are compared to apples and books are compared to books

So, your over extending the argument beyond that which is in issue and even adding to it just to give yourself an argument proves that you do not have any valid argument to make for they are fallacious.(Fallacy of appeal to the extreme and to the ridiculous/addition to post/Off Point)

So, clearly, you do not have any reasonable and valid argument to make in counter. So, this is you just making unnecessary noises

I am actually having fun with you because I know you must find a way to respond,no matter how ridiculous.
I am amused that you agree that the book of your tribal god is a work of fiction similar to Shakespare's books like Romeo and Juliet. In fact I agree that your gods book is similar to comics like Spiderman,Superman and Captain America. I will even go further to rate books like Homer's, Iliad and Odyssey as superior and better written works of fiction than your bible.

MaxInDHouse:
You are talking about false religions i've told you several times that such things doesn't occur in the true religion:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES!🙂

Guy,
The false doctrines of Jehovah witnesses is even uncountable compared to other sects of Christianity. The consistent false doctrine of the world coming to an end as postulated and pred icted by your leaders such as Charles Taze Russell who predicted the end of the world in 1914.
In fact Russell formulated the Watch tower pamphlet in order to extort money from his members before the expected end of the world in 1914.
In fact after Russell failed doom prophecy,he died and a leadership tussle broke out that led to the Watchtower sect scattering into different splinter groups of which one Joseph Rutherford was able to gain control of the largest splinter group and rename them Jehovahs Witness sect.

Goosethetruth:
Guy,
The false doctrines of Jehovah witnesses is even uncountable compared to other sects of Christianity.

This is where you failed woefully!
How do you expect the original to look like fake?
I told you that is the only true religion yet you are expecting the religion to teach the same thing like the fake!
Guy what you should ask for is the fruit of true religion and not expecting true religion to teach the same thing as false.

Goosethetruth:
The consistent false doctrine of the world coming to an end as postulated and pred icted by your leaders such as Charles Taze Russell who predicted the end of the world in 1914.

Another failure!
Wrong expectations has always been peculiar with true religion because true worshipers are eagerly expecting God's Kingdom. Act 1:6
So don't be confused with the way God's people have wrong expectations it has always been like that!

Goosethetruth:
In fact Russell formulated the Watch tower pamphlet in order to extort money from his members before the expected end of the world in 1914.
In fact after Russell failed doom prophecy,he died and a leadership tussle broke out that led to the Watchtower sect scattering into different splinter groups of which one Joseph Rutherford was able to gain control of the largest splinter group and rename them Jehovahs Witness sect.

This is what you need to calm down and know about the true religion.
The group splitted because Jesus truly returned just as Russell predicted but Jesus didn't come to destroy evildoers yet rather he came to flush out false Christians among faithful people that is why only Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully carried the truth throughout the world unlike those who only follow the group out of selfish gains.
And for your information that is the same reason God gave His worshipers another group name after flushing out fake religionists! Isaiah 65:15🙂

MaxInDHouse:
This is where you failed woefully!
How do you expect the original to look like fake?
I told you that is the only true religion yet you are expecting the religion to teach the same thing like the fake!
Guy what you should ask for is the fruit of true religion and not expecting true religion to teach the same thing as false.

Another failure!
Wrong expectations has always been peculiar with true religion because true worshipers are eagerly expecting God's Kingdom. Act 1:6
So don't be confused with the way God's people have wrong expectations it has always been like that!


This is what you need to calm down and know about the true religion.
The group splitted because Jesus truly returned just as Russell predicted but Jesus didn't come to destroy evildoers yet rather he came to flush out false Christians among faithful people that is why only Jehovah's Witnesses have successfully carried the truth throughout the world unlike those who only follow the group out of selfish gains.
And for your information that is the same reason God gave His worshipers another group name after flushing out fake religionists! Isaiah 65:15🙂

All this long talk naa grammar. There is no difference between Jehovahs witness sect and other Christian sects. Watchtower splintered into numerous faction after Charles Taze's death because all of the factional leaders wanted a taste of the Watchtower money which Taze was enjoying alone.
There is no difference between one Christian sect from another. The leader requests different contributions from the congregation for his and his family's personal comfort however on the ironic other side,if the members of the congregation need money for personal comfort,the leader of the sect will admonish the congregation to PRAY for their needs!

Goosethetruth:
All this long talk naa grammar. There is no difference between Jehovahs witness sect and other Christian sects. Watchtower splintered into numerous faction after Charles Taze's death because all of the factional leaders wanted a taste of the Watchtower money which Taze was enjoying alone.
There is no difference between one Christian sect from another. The leader requests different contributions from the congregation for his and his family's personal comfort however on the ironic other side,if the members of the congregation need money for personal comfort,the leader of the sect will admonish the congregation to PRAY for their needs!

Now you are publicly lying to yourself!🥱

Everyone knew that Charles was one of the richest men in America back then before he sold all his business to take up the work of God. Luke 18:22
So if this is the lie that you want to promote you are free after all there is freedom of expression but there is no way you can prove that Russell depended on people's money.
If you want to lie you can't do so with the true religion see ChatGPT in the screenshot below!🙂

Goosethetruth:
I am actually having fun with you because I know you must find a way to respond,no matter how ridiculous.
I am amused that you agree that the book of your tribal god is a work of fiction similar to Shakespare's books like Romeo and Juliet. In fact I agree that your gods book is similar to comics like Spiderman,Superman and Captain America. I will even go further to rate books like Homer's, Iliad and Odyssey as superior and better written works of fiction than your bible.

All, you prove is that you do not have any reasonable and valid thing to say and are just making unnecessary noises since you real eyes that there is nothing valid for you to say.

Goosethetruth:
A saddening fact about Christians is a blatant refusal to search the origin of their religion. It is as if Christians have a morbid fear that researching the origins of stories they have held dear to heart will shake the foundations of all their beliefs. On this thread we are going to attempt to research the origins of Christianity. If you are offended and not interested in knowledge you are free to stop reading at this point. If you are not offended and wish to gain a little knowledge then you are free to follow me down the rabbit hole.
Whatever is written in this thread can be freely cross checked and researched independently.

Through your profile i discovered you are so much drawn to POLITICS.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

Thanks in advance!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Through your profile i discovered you are so much drawn to POLITICS.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

Thanks in advance!🙂

Lol...😃

I am a polymath. Bring any issue and I can discuss it with you. Religion,business, history,music,films , old movies,politics,sports,building engineering and so on. I am at home in many fields.
As for the disputes and war of the world's that led to domination of majority by the few such as the United Nations where the few nations that have a veto can easily out vote the majority don't you think that all the problems of the world are a failure on the part of your omnipotent god?
Is it that your god created the world and withdrew into his cocoon and went to sleep? 😃

My friend,this place is for Christianity, etc. Let's discuss religion here because most Christians don't even know anything about their religion.
On the other hand if you want to discuss politics open a thread in the politics section and tag me to meet you there.
Cheers.

Goosethetruth:
Lol...😃
I am a polymath. Bring any issue and I can discuss it with you. Religion,business, history,music,films , old movies,politics,sports,building engineering and so on. I am at home in many fields.
As for the disputes and war of the world's that led to domination of majority by the few such as the United Nations where the few nations that have a veto can easily out vote the majority don't you think that all the problems of the world are a failure on the part of your omnipotent god?
Is it that your god created the world and withdrew into his cocoon and went to sleep? 😃
My friend,this place is for Christianity, etc. Let's discuss religion here because most Christians don't even know anything about their religion.
On the other hand if you want to discuss politics open a thread in the politics section and tag me to meet you there. Cheers.

The reason why i asked this question is how this God promised to end politics and suffering that is why i brought it here instead of politics section.
Meanwhile the Bible God never claimed to be omnipotent it's humans that are presumptuously saying things that this God never claimed.
So i will like you to put aside this issue of God for the moment and let us focus on the two questions.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

The Bible God has made a promise and so far so good He has been working towards His promises which i have witnessed myself.
But that aside please answer the questions if you are truly knowledgeable as you claimed.

Thanks in advance!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
The reason why i asked this question is how this God promised to end politics and suffering that is why i brought it here instead of politics section.
Meanwhile the Bible God never claimed to be omnipotent it's humans that are presumptuously saying things that this God never claimed.
So i will like you to put aside this issue of God for the moment and let us focus on the two questions.

*What have you discovered so far in politics and how humans have dominated other humans forcefully to the injury of the subjects?

*What do you think is the future of mankind as a few keeps on dominating the majority which is the major cause of disputes, wars, killings and suffering?

The Bible God has made a promise and so far so good He has been working towards His promises which i have witnessed myself.
But that aside please answer the questions if you are truly knowledgeable as you claimed.

Thanks in advance!🙂

Don't you think the problems of the world can be traced back to your god because if he actually created and willed everything in the world in to existence,where is he/it?
Why has he disappeared from appearing to mankind since the invention of cameras and recording devices?
After all in your religious book he was magically appearing to people but has strangely refused to appear to modern men since the invention of recording devices.
Back to your question, I should probably paraphrase Friedrich Nietzsche, the German philosopher,who postulated that,"God is dead. Long live the superman.(Gott ist tot)
God is either sleeping,dead or non concerned with world problems. The superman rules.