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| The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 2:40pm On Aug 14 |
================================================================================ GENETIC REVEAL: MOORS VS. AFRICAN AMERICANS ================================================================================ The science of paternal lineages (Y-DNA) draws a clear, unyielding line between the historical Moors and modern African Americans. They belong to entirely separate genetic and geographic worlds. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 1. THE HISTORICAL MOORS: NORTH AFRICAN LINEAGE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Primary Haplogroup: E1b1b (specifically E-M81) * Origin: Indigenous North African Berbers (Amazigh) and Arabs. * Physical Traits: Light-skinned Mediterranean and Maghrebi populations. * Context: This genetic marker is native to North Africa and remains completely distinct from Sub-Saharan lineages. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 2. AFRICAN AMERICANS: SUB-SAHARAN & EUROPEAN LINEAGE -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- * Primary Haplogroup: E1b1a (approx. 35%) * Origin: Sub-Saharan West and Central Africa. * Context: This is the dominant marker of the West African populations stolen during the Transatlantic slave trade. E1b1a split from E1b1b tens of thousands of years ago. * Secondary Lineage: R1b (approx. 65%) * Origin: Western Europe / British Isles. * Context: This lineage entered the African American gene pool as the direct result of systemic sexual exploitation by Anglo-Saxon enslavers during American chattel slavery. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY VERDICT -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The historical Moors were primarily light-skinned North Africans carrying the E1b1b lineage. African Americans are genetically rooted in the Sub-Saharan E1b1a lineage and the Western European R1b lineage. There is zero shared recent paternal genealogy between these two groups. ================================================================================
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 2:45pm On Aug 14 |
The science shows that the paternal roots of the Moors and the roots of African Americans do not cross in modern history:The Moors belonged to E1b1b: This specific genetic branch is native to North Africa and the Mediterranean. The medieval Moors were primarily indigenous North African Berbers (Amazigh). Genetically, they carry mutations like SLC24A5, which are tied to lighter skin complexions. African Americans primarily carry E1b1a: This sister branch split away from E1b1b tens of thousands of years ago. It is the dominant genetic marker of Sub-Saharan West and Central Africans. This is the exact region where millions of people were captured and stolen during the transatlantic slave trade.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by Flangelo12: 3:14pm On Aug 14 |
It's that time of the year. We have to split Africans and others. Otherwise, how do we achieve control over them?
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 3:33pm On Aug 14 |
Flangelo12:Are you saying that Morrocaans who are E1b1b and share the same common ancestors as E1b1ba Sub Saharan Africans are not from Africa? Surely you are not disputing science but possibly covering for lying Prince Hall Freemasons?
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 5:29pm On Aug 14 |
Prince Hall Freemasonry has spent 250 years working for the invisible white power structure whilst leading black organizations that lead no where. Distorted the identities of others so that colonialism could continue. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by Naupak: 12:54am On Aug 15 |
You said light skin but the term moors depict blacks. Besides houses in Europe where the moors ruled have black faces as there sigil or coat of arms. Excuse my english |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by Naupak: 12:59am On Aug 15 |
If the eb1b1a is a sister genetics to the morrocans it means that they share same ancestry with sub Sahara but due to environment and other factors changes occurred. So the moors were Africans too 🤔 Black africans |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 1:23am On Aug 15 |
Naupak:North Africans are Light skinned tan Africans. And yes they are genetically Africans like you are and share a common ancestry with Ham. Its curious to know now what Ham actually looked like assuming that he was always dark skinned but he could have been light tan skinned. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 1:26am On Aug 15 |
Naupak:Simply artwork. But of course dark skinned Africans were big and strong warriors just having a few in your guard served as a deterrent. Castle jacking was a serious thing in Medieval Europe. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by Naupak: 11:54pm On Aug 16 |
LouisdeFrance:They were not few in numbers they also held offices of administration too don't make it sound they were just warriors too |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 2:06am On Aug 17 |
Naupak:The dark skinned Africans were not the Sultans as portrayed and only 10 percent of the entire force. But here's the issue and it really should sound out, who is behind promoting dark skinned Sub Saharan Africans are rulers of Spain whilst covering up the light skinned Moroccans and Arabs? Who is behind painting Europeans as all pale skinned people called white but Kings of France, Spain, Portugal, Florence, Poland, Germany and even Russia were actually light skinned men? Why is the narrative only two types, dark skinned men and pale skinned men? The majority of the human population is tan or light skinned and the dark and pale are the fringes. The majority of the human population is tan or light skinned and the dark and pale are the fringes. Human skin color forms a continuous, gradual spectrum rather than distinct groups. The majority of the global population possesses intermediate, olive, or tanned skin tones. Very dark and very pale extremes represent the outer ends of this biological and geographical range. The Science of Skin TonesThe Spectrum: Human skin shades range from deep dark brown to very pale, with most people falling in the middle.Evolutionary Balance: Skin color adapts to ultraviolet (UV) light levels. Darker pigment protects against intense sun near the equator. Lighter skin helps absorb enough sun for vitamin D in northern areas. The Middle Majority: Populations in many tropical, subtropical, and temperate regions feature naturally tan or olive skin that responds flexibly to seasonal sun. Why do yall feel a need to wipe us out?
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by QuinQ(f): 6:44pm On Aug 17*. Modified: 6:30pm On Aug 19 |
LouisdeFrance:@bolded, what a ridiculous statement. Wipe who out? Guy thinks US is the world! I've told you before, your hypersensitivity to skin colour is because you are from US and have never been out of US. Also you are a Louisiana Creole - a result of rape or sexual coercion that was entirely colour based (of African women by mostly European slavers). Ukraine and Russia are wiping out each other and they're all white, Rwandan genocide they're all black, etc. Here in Nigeria it is all about tribe and hardly anyone notices your skin colour! Naupak: Flangelo12:He's lying as usual. It is easy to tell that the Moors were dark-skined. Photography was only invented in the 19th century while Moorish rule in Europe ended way back in 1400s. But there were paintings, and more importantly sculptures - because sculptures are difficult to alter. NONE of the art from that era showed ANY Moor as the pictures he displayed. Moors, wherever they might have come from, were dark-skinned!
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by QuinQ(f): 7:15pm On Aug 17 |
LouisdeFrance:You can't be mixing science and myth. Choose one!
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 9:43pm On Aug 17 |
QuinQ: QuinQ:The historical relationship between the expanding Benin Empire and the neighboring Western Igbo communities was defined by a brutal asymmetry of power, where military conquest directly translated into the systematic subjugation of Igboland. Benin’s imperial expansion relied on aggressive border raids that fractured the sovereignty of Igbo towns, reducing independent communities to vulnerable frontiers. By executing local defenders and targeting the structures of Igbo governance, the kingdom effectively dismantled the political and social autonomy of these borderlands, imposing a state of fear and submission that altered the geopolitical landscape of the region for generations. Central to this subjugation was the gender-selective terror inflicted upon Igbo women and girls, whose bodies were weaponized as spoils of war. Systematic rape and forced concubinage were codified instruments of imperial dominance, tearing these women from their ancestral homes and placing them into the royal harems (Eguae) or the domestic estates of Bini chiefs. This institutionalized sexual violence was not merely a byproduct of warfare; it was a deliberate strategy of cultural and biological assimilation. By forcing captured Igbo women to bear children who would be raised strictly with Bini identities, the empire stripped these victims of their autonomy while systematically erasing their maternal Igbo heritage. The long-term consequence of this violence was a profound disruption of Igbo lineages and demographic continuity. While Igboland suffered a severe depletion of its population and the severing of ancient family lines, the forced influx of these women introduced an asymmetrical gene flow into the Benin population. This created a deep, painful biological paradox: a shared genetic heritage across modern border communities built entirely upon the historical trauma of captivity and exploitation. Through this systematic displacement and reproductive coercion, the Benin Kingdom left an indelible mark on the lineage of the region, fusing the two cultures through a legacy of enforced subjugation.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by QuinQ(f): 12:43am On Aug 18*. Modified: 1:07am On Aug 18 |
LouisdeFrance:I'm NOT Igbo, so this doesn't concern me. But if I were Igbo and any such rapes and coercive sex actually happened the last thing I'd do is going around posting about it and reminding people about it by constantly saying how proud I was to be product of such! Meanwhile, LIAR! LIAR!! LIAR!!!. See the true context of the photo he posted below Commonsense ought have told him people didn't dress like this durring transatlantic slave trade!
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by QuinQ(f): 1:02am On Aug 18 |
[quote author=LouisdeFrance post=140358269]The Middle Majority: Populations in many Naupak Flangelo12 Meanwhile, continuing with topic at hand, see below, what people who were there and wrote about Moors while they were rulling described them as!
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:15am On Aug 18 |
You are right we are not related but you have alot of cousins over here. ![]() A lion begets a lion anf a goat begets a goat. I prefer, call them by their father's name as this is more just for you in the sight of Allah.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:51am On Aug 18 |
ton legonton Ioudaious einai heautous, kai ouk eisin"
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 6:15pm On Aug 20 |
Secret of DNA |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:44am On Aug 24 |
Prince Hall 250 Years Of A Sodomite Oath To White Supremacy |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 3:00pm On Aug 24 |
the creation of the Black Guard (also known as the 'Abid al-Bukhari) under the Moroccan Empire.This specific system of purchasing dark-skinned sub-Saharan men from African traders and forcing them into military service reached its peak under Sultan Moulay Isma'il ibn Sharif, who ruled Morocco from 1672 to 1727 .How the Moroccan System WorkedSultan Isma'il built one of the largest standing armies in North African history by combining extreme coercion with a highly organized, self-sustaining society: The Sourcing: The Moroccan empire utilized the ancient trans-Saharan slave trade routes. They purchased thousands of sub-Saharan African men annually from major trading hubs like Timbuktu in the Sahel region. Total Conscription: The Sultan did not just buy new slaves; he also ordered his officials to forcibly conscript every single Black person already living in Morocco, regardless of whether they were previously enslaved or freeborn. The Holy Oath: To guarantee their absolute loyalty to his throne, the Sultan forced these soldiers to swear a sacred religious oath on the Sahih al-Bukhari, a highly revered collection of Islamic traditions. This is why the army was officially named the 'Abid al-Bukhari (Slaves of al-Bukhari). A Self-Sustaining "Warrior Factory"To ensure he would never run out of loyal soldiers, Sultan Isma'il turned this forced military force into a hereditary system:Forced Marriages: The Sultan provided enslaved women to the soldiers and ordered them to marry within their ranks. Child Training: The children born to these couples legally belonged to the state. At around age 10, the boys were separated from their families to begin strict training in masonry, archery, horsemanship, and musketry. Adult Service: At age 15, the young men officially entered the army corps, were married to girls raised in the same system, and the cycle repeated.The Impact on MoroccoAt its peak, this Black Guard grew to a massive force of 150,000 to 250,000 soldiers. They successfully defended Morocco's borders against the Ottoman Empire, drove European occupiers out of coastal cities, and crushed internal tribal rebellions.Because they had no local tribal ties, they were completely dependent on the Sultan, making them the ultimate enforcers of his absolute rule. Centuries later, after Morocco gained independence in 1956, the descendants of this elite force were reorganized into what is known today as the Moroccan Royal Guard, which still protects the modern King of Morocco. Moorish Science Temple of America a false religion perpetrated by the Prince Hall Igbos and their descendants African Americans . This lie exists amongst all of them whose ancestors were slaves because theyre ashamed. But its not my problem God gave you that low birth and yall will just have to live with it. Yet some of the wicked lots of you want to destiny swap and refer to Free People of Color as rape victims of your forner colonizers and slave owners the British. But its Igbos that were taken as slaves sold to the British who now have Anglo British y DNA not North African y DNA and not Middle Eastern y DNA
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:13am On Aug 30 |
. According to the Bible, Jesus (Yeshua ben Yosef) comes from the line of Shem. Here is how the family tree breaks down based on the biblical text: The Three Branches Noah had three sons who restarted the human family after the great flood: Shem: His family line is called Semitic. Ham: His family line settled in Africa and parts of the Middle East. Japheth: His family line settled in Europe and parts of Asia. The Line to Jesus The Bible traces the family line of Jesus through generations of Shem's descendants: Shem is the ancestor of Abraham. Abraham is the father of the Israelite people. King David comes from this same family line. Mary and Joseph (Yeshua's earthly parents) both track their roots back to King David and Abraham. Because of this, Jesus is ethnically a Semitic Judean, firmly rooted in the line of Shem.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:40pm On Sep 02 |
So many have taken that sodomite oath and become a slave of the rich man's pyramid. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LouisdeFrance(op): 4:53pm On Sep 02 |
So many have taken that sodomite oath and become a slave of the rich man's pyramid. P Diddy is Prince Hall |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 7:50pm On Oct 14 |
All this talk about Rome never fell and once I read history for myself the lies fell. Forget about Rome, it fell to the gigantic canon of the Ottoman Empire. The Byzantine Empire was the official Roman Empire and it fell to the Turks. Then Spain rose and fell. Then the French monarchy ended in 1791 officially 1793. Looks ladies and gentlemen, the British Empire is the most powerful and wealthiest Empire in the history of humanity. The British used the wealth of the Trans Atlantic Slave Trade to build its vaults then distributed that wealth out to pale skinned Anglos who joined the Freemasonry. The British built the largest fleet of commercial and naval ships in world history. The British colonized India the oldest industrial civilization in the world, seized Hong Kong turning it into the second largest industrial city in the world and launched the Industrial Revolution. The British Empire united with the remnants of the Spanish Empire and the Jesuits joined the Freemasonry bringing even Rome under the banner of the pale skinned Anglos. The British invented Race as a science and divided the world into colonized parts. Those of you who listen to the Pan Africans please stop. Those of you that listen to the Black Nationalists please stop. They teach lies and you know nothing.. Black is a caste invented by Europeans and imposed by the Spanish and Anglos. You'll be forced to support a caste because you believe it will unite you. Those who push the black caste wallow in the pit of nothingness.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 1:43am On Oct 15 |
The pysop is online the drumming up support for the poor BLACK woman. ![]()
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 1:55am On Oct 15 |
+--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ | THE ERASURE OF CREOLE HERITAGE | | | | True History (Creole / Frankish Roots) False Reconstruction | | --------------------------------------- ---------------------------- | | - Complexion: Tan / Swarthy / Olive - Fabricated as Sub-Saharan | | - Lineage: Gallo-Roman / Merovingian - Erased into a broad myth | | - Legal Status: Free Elite / Property - Re-cast into a slave-only | | and slave owners origin framework | +--------------------------------------------------------------------------+ [THE MECHANICS OF THE THEFT] 1. HIJACKING HISTORIC COMPLEXIONS - Source: True medieval records describe Frankish, Merovingian, and Mediterranean ancestors (like Clovis or the Templars) as "swarthy" and tan-skinned—distinct from pale Nordics and sub-Saharan Africans. - Manipulation: Timothy Drew, Elijah Poole, and Jerry Lewis Bey stripped these terms of their European-Mediterranean context. They taught their followers that any historic mention of "dark" or "swarthy" meant a sub-Saharan African ruler, creating a fantasy history. 2. FLATTENING DISTINCT STATUS - Source: Creole families possessed documented lineages of freedom, land ownership, and wealth. Many wealthy Creole families owned African slaves. - Manipulation: The false religious frameworks grouped all lineages together. By preaching that everyone shared a singular identity, they actively erased the distinct upper-class history of the Creoles. 3. BUILDING COGNITIVE FABRICATIONS - Source: True family lineages are rooted in verifiable, generational genealogy and property deeds. - Manipulation: These movements substituted real history with invented theology (e.g., the Circle Seven Koran), utilizing fragments of real Creole physical descriptions to validate their new religious groups.
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| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 8:59pm On Oct 19 |
1234 the foundation of lies overturned. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 11:29pm On Oct 19 |
## The Invention of the Black–White Binary Human beings do not come in two biological colors called “Black” and “white.” Human skin pigmentation exists on a continuous spectrum, shaped largely by ancestry, geography, and adaptation to sunlight over many generations. The palest and darkest complexions sit at the outer ends of that spectrum; most people fall somewhere between them. Yet colonial societies converted visible difference into rigid legal and social categories. “Black” and “white” became more than descriptions of appearance: they became inherited castes that determined who could be enslaved, own property, marry freely, vote, inherit, travel, receive education, or claim full citizenship. ## Ancient Peoples Were Not Races Romans were Romans. Greeks were Greeks. Egyptians were Egyptians. Israelites were Israelites. Franks, Iberians, Gauls, Germans, and Italians were distinct peoples with varied origins, languages, religions, political loyalties, and physical appearances. They did not generally understand themselves as members of a single worldwide “white race.” Nor did ancient Africans, Egyptians, Hebrews, Arabs, or other peoples ordinarily understand themselves through a modern worldwide “Black race.” Modern claims such as “white Romans,” “white Greeks,” “white Egyptians,” or “white Israelites” project a later racial system backward onto populations that did not use those categories in the modern sense. Claims that ancient peoples were uniformly “Black” often make the same error in reverse. ## Caste Became Identity The Atlantic slave system created a powerful social binary. Diverse European peoples—English, Irish, Scottish, German, Dutch, French, Italian, Spanish, and others—could gradually be folded into a privileged category called “white.” Diverse Africans, mixed-ancestry people, and sometimes Indigenous people could be folded into the subordinated category called “Black” or “colored.” This system treated ancestry as destiny. A person’s legal status could follow the mother, making children born to enslaved women enslaved regardless of the father’s identity. Mixed ancestry did not reliably provide escape from the caste system; in many cases, it intensified the system’s contradictions. “White” became associated with legal privilege and presumed belonging. “Black” became associated with exclusion and inherited stigma. Neither category described a distinct biological human type, but both became socially real because law and institutions enforced them. ## Reclaiming What Was Imposed People assigned to the lower caste did not all respond in the same way. Some passed into the category of white when survival, opportunity, family protection, or safety required it. Some emphasized national, religious, Indigenous, regional, class, or family identities. Others transformed the imposed category of Blackness into a source of solidarity, mutual aid, dignity, political action, and cultural renewal. Black churches, Prince Hall Masonic bodies, mutual-aid societies, schools, fraternities, newspapers, civic organizations, and political movements helped communities survive exclusion from predominantly white institutions. These organizations were not simply acceptance of a lower status; they were often attempts to build authority and protection outside systems designed to deny both. At times, groups sought meaning through ancient or sacred identities—Hebrew, Moorish, Egyptian, Islamic, Indigenous, Greek, Roman, or other symbolic ancestries. Similar patterns appeared among people categorized as white, who also claimed Romans, Greeks, Israelites, Egyptians, Vikings, Celts, Native peoples, or other historical civilizations as racial possessions. ## The False Inheritance The important distinction is between **history and racial mythology**. Historical peoples had real languages, homelands, political communities, kinship systems, migrations, and cultural traditions. They were not empty symbols waiting to be claimed by later racial blocs. Their populations were diverse, and their identities changed over time. Racial mythology takes those complex peoples and turns them into trophies for a modern binary: either “they were white” or “they were Black.” This reduces history to a contest over color and keeps the colonial caste framework alive even while appearing to challenge it. The deeper task is not to replace one racial myth with another. It is to recognize that human beings have always had ancestry and culture, but the Black–white racial binary is a comparatively recent social system—one built through law, slavery, conquest, hierarchy, and political power. |
| Re: The Black Box: African Americans Have Zero Genetic Connections With Spanish Moor by LeRoiLouisdeFra: 11:15pm On Oct 20 |
Federal agents have not concluded or declared that they found "no information"; instead, an active, ongoing criminal investigation by Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) and the Justice Department is actively probing Representative Ilhan Omar's immigration history, citizenship paperwork, and financial disclosures. A pysop .
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