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Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by tragergeorge(m): 11:06am On Aug 18
anonimi:
I thought that everyone is getting adequate power supply since 2015 when we followed Fashola's advice to replace PDP prosperity, peace and security with APC's extreme poverty and insecurity shege huh



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lba6Uf64Ogc
shut up man
electricity availability has never gotten any better than now In this country...
I experienced 90s,2000s,2010s and so on
now if you got the money you enjoy the light
in my town there's been like minimum 20hrs daily
if you get money you get light
was far better than buying 3litrs of fuel daily to charge phone
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by akingold2: 11:06am On Aug 18
I don't understand all these subsidy issues. Who is subsidizing who. We buy poles, wire and even prepaid meter. We just bought a transformer for 12 million naira and are presently contributing 40000 per each house to repair the damaged transformer. Any fault in the new transformer we have to pay their ibedc staff for both labor and cost of material. Yet everyone keeps saying the government is subsidizing. Even if you audit properly you will find out that the prepaid meter cost that was supposed to be repaid to consumers is not being fully repaid. Who is really subsidizing who.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by nairalanda1(m): 11:14am On Aug 18
akingold2:
I don't understand all these subsidy issues. Who is subsidizing who. We buy poles, wire and even prepaid meter. We just bought a transformer for 12 million naira and are presently contributing 40000 per each house to repair the damaged transformer. Any fault in the new transformer we have to pay their ibedc staff for both labor and cost of material. Yet everyone keeps saying the government is subsidizing. Even if you audit properly you will find out that the prepaid meter cost that was supposed to be repaid to consumers is not being fully repaid. Who is really subsidizing who.
You are buying poles because subsidy even if fully paid does not cover the running costs of the power sector.

And the thing is, the subsidy is not fully paid. Band A money used for subsidy does not even cover the costs of the subsidy...and government is struggling to pay its own part of the subsidy costs because in addition to the massive corruption and stealing, finances have been bad.

IN May this year, discos got 328 billion naira with of electricity to distribute. Revenue they raised, including the band A subsidising other bands monies, was 208 billion naira. That is revenue they got, including estimated billing, penalites, metered users. Of course they could not pay for all the electricity they were supposed to distriubte. And that's the thing that has been going on for decades.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by nairalanda1(m): 11:16am On Aug 18
BBQZ:
The entire power band arrangement is a fraud. A BIG FRAUD.

If you supply me electricity for 24 hours, then bill me at the same rate you charge someone else based on actual energy consumed (per kilowatt-hour). Do not charge customers different rates simply because you have chosen to supply them different hours of electricity.

If you want to generate more revenue, then improve your service and provide 24-hour electricity to everyone. You cannot make up for poor service or supply limitations by charging some customers up to 10 times more than others.

And let’s be clear: some customers on Band C are also receiving more than 20 hours of electricity daily. So what exactly justifies the massive difference in tariffs?

The amount customers pay should reflect the electricity they actually consume—not a pricing structure designed to make some customers pay significantly more for the same service.
Picking it up from your last comment, the fact is, bad B-E do not actually pay for the electrcity they consume.

As for the band system, it's government's way of running away from the cost reflective tarrif issue

Finally, people on band b-e pay more for power than those in band A...in the form of generator and solar costs. Or do without.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by shegztech(m): 11:26am On Aug 18
Imalwayshorny:
while me using band c is enjoying 24/7 electricity

But based on where you live
If your vicinity has more houses with the prepaid meter, you are bound to have light consistently
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by chinchum(m): 11:49am On Aug 18
Kukutente23:
If this is true how come the Discos are still posting loses?
The maths is not adding up abeg
it is simple maths. I dont understand why many don't get it. It is the same maths many use to ask "how come Nigeria is borrowing after oil subsidy removal?"

If there are 10 cookies at a total fair market value and selling price of $500 to be sold to 10 kids, if we are to sell only 1 cookie to each kid, they each pay $50. What the band A is doing is causing 1 kid to pay above $50 , your confusion lies here i suspect, if that 1 kid is paying $65 , that 1 kid is subsidising the others by $15. However the other kids are all paying less than $50 with some even getting the cookie at $20, majority at $30. It makes sense that less than $500 will be obtained at the end of the day assuming everyone pays fully.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Sirianese(m): 12:14pm On Aug 18
They know that Nigerians lack critical reasoning skills, so any stupid idea that enters their brain is what they just spit out...that's why Fayose said that 'darkness causes population increase,' and Umahi said ''God sent him' to Ibos
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Otamendi99(m): 12:26pm On Aug 18
adenigga:
Source: https://punchng.com/band-a-power-users-subsidised-others-with-n101bn-report
I said it. They are overcharging us in Band A. But atleast we enjoy the light. I have not on my Gen in Months.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by BadBradley: 12:28pm On Aug 18
I think it's the prepaid poor masses that's subsiding all of us.

I haven't seen this kind of ignorance so bold.

Many band A users are on metered and have their cards and also many could afford solar.

Prepaid gets to pay whatever the regulators throw at them. Whether theirs power or not, whether they traveled or not, their monthly bill and officia/unofficial increments is waiting for them
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Justnation: 12:30pm On Aug 18
The government said it has removed subsidy , why are the people using band A made to subsidize electricity for others?.

Wicked APC and tinubu government

Later they will use the money to leave a lavish lifestyle

TINUBU MUST GO IN 2027

PETER OBI IS COMING
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Alabig1000(m): 12:39pm On Aug 18
Imalwayshorny:
light is stable here bro
stable here too : 2 weeks now
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by nairalanda1(m): 12:45pm On Aug 18
Justnation:
The government said it has removed subsidy , why are the people using band A made to subsidize electricity for others?.

Wicked APC and tinubu government

Later they will use the money to leave a lavish lifestyle

TINUBU MUST GO IN 2027

PETER OBI IS COMING
Well, government removed subsidy on band A users, not on band B to E.

PLus if Peter Obi comes, he has to remove subsidy totally on electricity and let the discos set their price, instead of the banding system that tinubu is using.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Kukutente23: 1:29pm On Aug 18
chinchum:
it is simple maths. I dont understand why many don't get it. It is the same maths many use to ask "how come Nigeria is borrowing after oil subsidy removal?"

If there are 10 cookies at a total fair market value and selling price of $500 to be sold to 10 kids, if we are to sell only 1 cookie to each kid, they each pay $50. What the band A is doing is causing 1 kid to pay above $50 , your confusion lies here i suspect, if that 1 kid is paying $65 , that 1 kid is subsidising the others by $15. However the other kids are all paying less than $50 with some even getting the cookie at $20, majority at $30. It makes sense that less than $500 will be obtained at the end of the day assuming everyone pays fully.
You should take your time to read through instead of this your pedestrian cookie analogy that's off point
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by chinchum(m): 1:38pm On Aug 18
Kukutente23:
You should take your time to read through instead of this your pedestrian cookie analogy that's off point
Saying you don't understand suggest to me your understanding is that of a pre teen, i only explained in a way i will explain to a pre teen .
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Kukutente23: 2:25pm On Aug 18
chinchum:
Saying you don't understand suggest to me your understanding is that of a pre teen, i only explained in a way i will explain to a pre teen .
Kindly point to where I said I don't understand.... And you are so quick to label people when you're failing at basic comprehension
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by saintneo: 2:32pm On Aug 18
rubbish!
Parachoko:
Government should stop paying subsidy for people on Band B and C
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by chinchum(m): 2:36pm On Aug 18
Kukutente23:
Kindly point to where I said I don't understand.... And you are so quick to label people when you're failing at basic comprehension
The statement below is what i quoted, and it clearly ask a question affirming a lack of understanding.

It is different to say this report is not true, you stated "if this is true......"

Kukutente23:
If this is true how come the Discos are still posting loses?
The maths is not adding up abeg
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Kukutente23: 3:15pm On Aug 18
chinchum:
The statement below is what i quoted, and it clearly ask a question affirming a lack of understanding.

It is different to say this report is not true, you stated "if this is true......"
Wow!!
This is how you understood my post?
Pls what school did you attend
Anyways, go through the numbers and you'll see what I'm talking about if you can understand it
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by asksafe(m): 3:26pm On Aug 18
Band A is a scam that Tinubu introduced to embezzle more funds from struggling people of Nigeria.
May God punish all those involved in the introduction of this BAND A SCAM
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by chinchum(m): 4:13pm On Aug 18
Kukutente23:
Wow!!
This is how you understood my post?
Pls what school did you attend
Anyways, go through the numbers and you'll see what I'm talking about if you can understand it
That is how any sensible people understood your post.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by nairalanda1(m): 4:16pm On Aug 18
asksafe:
Band A is a scam that Tinubu introduced to embezzle more funds from struggling people of Nigeria.
May God punish all those involved in the introduction of this BAND A SCAM
No it isn't. It is what the government does when most people do not want to pay a cost reflective tarrif, they raise the price of power for the rich, and hope it raises enough money to help pay for electricity for the poor.

India does the same thing.

And the result is the same in both countries. Not enough money raised, power cuts continue.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Crownstar01: 4:21pm On Aug 18
This is corruption and mismanagement of resources.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by bigiyaro(m): 4:30pm On Aug 18
All na scam, nobody gives anybody the right to select who to have more access to electricity and who not to have electricity. This is pure discrimination and executive recklessness. Everybody should have equal access to basic amenities and pay what they consume,at equal price.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Kukutente23: 4:35pm On Aug 18
chinchum:
That is how any sensible people understood your post.
It seems you're the only sensible person in this thread cause only you understand my post in that manner
I'm sure you'll agree it's odd for yiu alone to be the sensible one among hundreds of people. That will be an abnormality on your part
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by nobilie: 5:30pm On Aug 18
Kukutente23:
If this is true how come the Discos are still posting loses?
The maths is not adding up abeg
Discos are thieves. I'm on band A but I support total removal of subsidies. The only problem I have is that the money saved will be stolen and the power holding will gradually die off as people will look for alternatives. Alternatives are becoming more possible in recent times. Solar, gas powered generators etc
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Ejebleje: 5:30pm On Aug 18
Imalwayshorny:
It’s not by band a oooo


I’m on band c using 33kv feeder and I’m enjoying 24/7 electricity
I know many areas in Lagos that are benefitting from this anomaly
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Greenfusion: 6:15pm On Aug 18
nairalanda1:
It's not a scam. Band A users are paying the actual price for electricity. Band B-E Users are paying about 33% of the price of the electricity they get, while the government is supposed to pay the rest...but most of the time 1) does not 2) even if they do, it is in tiny amounts and 3) still doesn't allow the discos make a profit on power supplied to those on those bands.

As a result, band B-E get the service they paid for. Band A gets the service they pay for.

The actual solution would be for everyone to pay Band A price, which would generate a lot of profit to be able to allow the electricity sector improve power, but since most nigerians cry poverty, (and at least 20% refuse to pay even the cheap band b-e prices at all) here we are.

Same situation in India...same power cuts there too.

You cannot underpay a business and expect it to give everyone premium service. They will priortise customers who pay the full price, and give half service to those who don't.
the question i would ask is, your current power companies, can they supply the whole Nigeria Band A power effectively? If no, the Band thing is a scam....simple!
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by ubox: 10:49pm On Aug 18
NinjaMetahuman:
They also use more power than most Nigerians.

Personally, I won't mind band A if Im guaranteed 20hrs of light a day.
Omo, at this points it's almost like 24hrs. Can't remember when last I purchased diesel. This is Uyo, Akwa Ibom
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by WhizdomXX(m): 2:20am On Aug 19
CodeTemplar:
Looks bad in the surface but there are positives in the fact that leisurely consumers subsidize productive consumers.
It's totally bad and it is a terrible economic policy. A productive consumer will want more hours of light.
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by WhizdomXX(m): 2:21am On Aug 19
Greenfusion:
the question i would ask is, your current power companies, can they supply the whole Nigeria Band A power effectively? If no, the Band thing is a scam....simple!
So what's your solution?
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by Greenfusion: 4:47am On Aug 19
WhizdomXX:
So what's your solution?
Scrap BANDing,
1. enact and enforce laws to protect the consumers, no good power no money for company, money back. to customers when they default. A major problem in this regard is that the Nigerian govt has made it easy for them to make money even when they don't give any/bad service.
2. Enact and enforce laws against fraudulent consumers. They should be fined big or face the law.
3. Power Companies should maintain most of their asset, not customers. Customers should not be buying transformers that same companies would claim to be theirs.


As these look simple, try it and see how power would improve in nigeria.....nonsense would stop, it would be b2b
Re: Band A Power Users Subsidised Others With ₦101bn – ZKJ Energy by xperiencelove(m): 7:50am On Aug 19
NinjaMetahuman:
simple as abc.

And you are not allowed to cut anyone's light until you provide prepaid for them.

don't know why this is rocket science.
Always simple as ABC as an outsider. The day you become an insider is when you will realize it's actually a rocket science.
The day you realize over 50% of Nigerians on prepaid meter bypass their meters and their is no immediate solution to it is when you either resign or continue the palliative those we are blaming today are doing.
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