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First, I must commend you for answering most of the questions truthfully even though it seems you did not internalise the consequence.

Lets go down into it

dofman:
TenQ


Quran 19:71
"There is not one of you who shall not go down to it (Hell): such is a thing decreed, determined by your Lord."

Quran 19:72
"Then, We will save those who were cautious of Us, but the harmdoers shall be left in it hobbling on their knees.".

So, my Questions

1. To my Question: Who is the "YOU" in Qur'an 19:71

You said:

dofman:
You is everyone , both believers and unbelievers .

Everyone must pass through it .

Very correct: The YOU refers to EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers)

So, we agree on this!

2. My second Question: What is the "IT" in Quran 19:71

You Said:

dofman:
It is hell fire of course.

Everyone must pass through it ; it does mean everyone will enter it. If you say everyone will enter hell fire , that was why in the next verse , it says , the believers will be saved.

Dont be in a hurry!
The IT is the Hell Fire!

Allah is saying that EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will pass through the Hell Fire!

In fact, it is a DECREE of Allah so that EVERYONE (Muslims and all Harmdoers) will pass through Hell Fire.

Note:
Will EVERYONE (both the Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) pass OVER the Fire?

3. My third Question: Where will be the harmdoers in Qur'an 19:71 be?

Your Response:

dofman:
Harmdoers will come into it same way like other people and the next verse tell us what now happened .

Verse 71 is not the end of the narration nah . Na you people wanted to end it there and it was not ended there . Na by force to make the narration suit your evil agenda

According to Qur'an 19:71, Both Muslims and ALL Harmdoers are in the same location described by the "IT" described earlier as the Hell Fire!

You actually answered it in the next question 4.

4. My Fourth Question: According to Qur'an 19:71, are the harmdoers and the Muslims together in Hell or together On a Bridge?

Your Response!

dofman:
Everyone ( harmdoers amd Muslim ) will come to it .

Muslim will come to it and they will be save because they are cautious of Allah and follow his commandment in their lifetime .
while harmdoers will never be save and they will kneel their and therefore they are not save .

Harmdoers are those that are not cautious of Allah and who violates Allah commandment example unbelievers ( Christians , aborisa and so on ) unless they repent .

So, there is a specific location described as the "IT" identified as the Hell Fire where both the Muslims and the Harmdoers will be.

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

My Question Five: What is the "IT" in Quran 19:72

Your Response:

dofman:
It is hell fire .
But never twist it

So, you see that the "IT" in Quran 19:71 is exactly the same as the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 : the Hell Fire.

This is why Allah will remove you Muslims from the Fire after an undisclosed TIME PERIOD and leave the Harmdoers hobbling on their knees.

Or, do you think the Harmdoers would be on the Bridge of Sirat?



Since you do not appreciate the TRUTH, you went on attempt to justify your old beliefs your scholars have peddled to you.

dofman:
Let me teach u simple arabic you lack :
In verse 71 and 72

Verse 71 :

إِلَّا وَارِدُهَا ۚ


وَارِدُهَا Means come into it or pass over . It does not mean inside .

The Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

Possible concise renderings depending on context:
"and its arrival"
"and what comes to it"
"and its incoming" (or "and its incoming [thing]"
"and what reaches it"

It does NOT mean PASS OVER IT : this is a LIE peddled my your scholars

Even if we use the word come to "IT" as the definition, we have described the "IT" as the Hell Fire

So, your Arabic no good at all!
You have believed a LIE!

dofman:
Verse 72
مَّ نُنَجِّي ٱلَّذِينَ ٱتَّقَواْ وَّنَذَرُ ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ فِيهَا

ٱلظَّـٰلِمِينَ mean wrong doers

فِيهَا Means within it ( inside it ) you are inside of it and this word used for wrongdoers and not for everyone.

But we have already established that the IT in Qur'an 19:71 is the same as the IT in Qur'an 19:71 AND it is the same location HELL FIRE!!

Wherever the Muslims are is the same location as the Harmdoers.

dofman:
Note :

Within it ( فِيهَا) used in verse 72 differs from word وَارِدُهَاۚ ( come into it or pass over ) used in verse 71

They are different words entirely . Na you people want to twist it . And you have been casted ?

I must confess that your comprehension is TERRIBLE

فِيهَا (fīhā) means "in it" or "inside it"
AND
وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

Because, if you are correct, then
1. You already contradicted yourself by conceding that the "IT" in ayah 71 and ayah 72 is the Hell fire
2. Except, you accept that the Harmdoers are left OUTSIDE hell fire probably on the bridge of Sirat.

dofman:
Arabic language is very rich compare to English .

English can never interpreted Arabic language very well. It can only give the most nearest meaning , Ask any Christian professor in Arabic ; they know .

Allah that reveal Quran in Arabic is very wise; is the the most wisest and greatest .

Meaning that Allah chose the worst language to reveal the Qur'an when he knows that there are 10,001 languages in the world who would not speak Arabic and Arabic cannot be accurately translated into other languages.

Its a LAZY Excuse my dear that they use to lie to you Muslims.
Hebrew is a complex Semitic language: How many times do you see Christians or Jews complaining about interpreting it?

dofman:
You will see that your scholars have been lying to you.


Na you Paul deceived not any scholars

I have answered your questions ; it is my time to ask mine in the next post .

Finally,
Let me Help you with TWO Tafsirs of your Scholars (probably their Arabic is worse than mine)

1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

Ibn Abbas is the cousin of your prophet in case you do not know!

TenQ:
Since you claim that According to your prophet, Muslims including Mohammed DO NOT have a Shaitan/Jinn with him?

Lets look at your hadiths again!

Sunan an-Nasa'i 3960
It was narrated from 'Ubadah bin Al-Walid bin 'Ubadah bin As-Samit that 'Aishah said:
"I looked for the Messenger of Allah and I put my hand on his hair." He said: "Your Shaitan has come to you." I said: "Don't you have a Shaitan?" He said: "Yes, but Allah helped me with him, so he submitted."


Did Mohammed say that YES he has a Shaitan or Not?


Sahih Muslim 2814 a
Abdullah b. Mas'ud reported that Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said:
There is none amongst you with whom is not an attache from amongst the jinn (devil). They (the Companions) said: Allah's Messenger, with you too? Thereupon he said: Yes, but Allah helps me against him and so I am safe from his hand and he does not command me but for good.



Did Mohammed say that EVERYONE of you Muslims have an attaché amongst the Jinn or Not?




So, again now TRUTHFULLY
According to your prophet, do Muslims including Mohammed have a Shaitan/Jinn with him?


Its a YES or NO question!

Did bad behavior/ things come from God let me asked you

TenQ


🤣 guy , you still not refuted any of my points .

I have not even asked you my own question; but don’t worry I will still ask you later for sure . Let me further correct your misconception .

You said:

Very correct: The YOU refers to EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers)

So, we agree on this!

Good , at least you are progressing .

If you agreed everyone including you and me and other people will pass through it , that mean you have equally agreed you will enter same fire as you already claimed for Muslim nah ; And beside I am still standing on the point that in the verse 71 , everyone will come into it (both Muslims and unbelievers ) and It is the next verse 72 that tell us the faith position of cautious people ( Muslim) to be save and wrongdoers will not be save .

NB : the verse 71 never tell you everyone were already in the fire . So never twisted that fact

Dont be in a hurry!
The IT is the Hell Fire!

Allah is saying that EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will pass through the Hell Fire!

In fact, it is a DECREE of Allah so that EVERYONE (Muslims and all Harmdoers) will pass through Hell Fire.

Yes 👏, everyone must pass through it but, I did not say they will enter it : do not twist my word o .

Note:
Will EVERYONE (both the Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) pass OVER the Fire?

You are the one that want to stylishly twisted pass over , I equally say come to it or pass over . And I even told you categorically that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used does not mean inside it . You don’t need to lie or twisted my word . Is that okay ?

No matter the English I used, just focus on the nearest meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . And you should know that the main point is that everyone were not inside the fire in verse 71

Your Response:

According to Qur'an 19:71, Both Muslims and ALL Harmdoers are in the same location described by the "IT" described earlier as the Hell Fire!

You actually answered it in the next question 4.



Your Response!

So, there is a specific location described as the "IT" identified as the Hell Fire where both the Muslims and the Harmdoers will be.

Read my previous reply again. I never pointed Hell has the destination of everyone in verse 71 , I said they will come to it or Passover . You can even say approach at and so on .

If you think that English of pass over I used means inside it or cross over , it is capital no .
For you to want to capitalise on Passover word and you think you can twist it , it cannot help you .


Come to it or approach to it is different from they are inside it . Understand nah 😛

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

No , You lied here.

🤣 It is you that says in hell fire 🔥, must you repeated this lies after I have even explained the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) to you that it does not mean inside the hell fire





So, you see that the [b]"IT" in Quran 19:71 is exactly the same as the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 : the Hell Fire.[/b]

Hell fire was mentioned in both verse 71 and 72 . The only difference is the approach of everyone to the fire and that is what verse 72 explained . Very cleared to understand for open mind people .

Verse 71 : we will all come into it or approach it or pass over and note that my use of pass over does not mean they are inside the fire .

Verse 72 already told you the specific position of everyone .


This is why [b]Allah will remove you Muslims from the Fire after an undisclosed TIME PERIOD and leave the Harmdoers hobbling on their knees.[/b]

You also lied here 🤣.

The verse never said Allah will remove Muslim from fire 🤣. It is you that added that to it to fabricate your point to suit you . Allah used word save .

Save does not mean they are removed from fire . Your manipulation here will never work .

There are several ways Allah can use to save Muslims not necessary it will allow them to fall into fire and later pick them up ; according to their verse .




Or, do you think the Harmdoers would be [b]on the Bridge of Sirat?[/b]

You already know that everyone will come to it . No need to repeat this again nah .

Infact some tefsir says the passage will be like sirat called slippery bridge . The main point is that everyone will come into it and verse 72 tell the fate of everyone . Simple .

Since you do not appreciate the TRUTH, you went on attempt to justify your old beliefs your scholars have peddled to you.

🤣🤣 guy , you did not refute anything . You did not say any truth . I only bursted your lies and manipulation with proof . You only ridding on your bias mind .

The Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

Possible concise renderings depending on context:
"and its arrival"
"and what comes to it"
"and its incoming" (or "and its incoming [thing]"
"and what reaches it"

At least , you have understood that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean everyone will be inside the fire ✌️

It does NOT mean PASS OVER IT : this is a LIE peddled my your scholars

Go back to my previous post , I did not use PASS OVER IT alone , I said come to it or pass over . Why are you focussing on passing over nah ; after all ; I told you point blank that the Arabic word there used there does not mean inside it . English can never interpreted the Arabic perfectly ; you can only try .

You already know that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean inside it . 🤣 so stop twisting facts pls .

Even if we use the word come to "IT" as the definition, we have described the "IT" as the Hell Fire

I just provided you the true meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . You can never refute it nah . Shioor .

So, your Arabic no good at all!
You have believed a LIE!

So glaring , you don’t know anything . 🤣

But we have already established that the IT in Qur'an 19:71 is the same as the IT in Qur'an 19:71

Sure , hell was mentioned in both verses .

AND it is the same location HELL FIRE!!

🤣Another lie ahaaa.

It is of different approach and location to fire pls . Stop lying .

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 is different from the word فِيهَا ( inside it ) used in verse 72 .

Must you lie . Shioor .

I must confess that your comprehension is TERRIBLE

فِيهَا (fīhā) means "in it" or "inside it"
AND
وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) directly translates as "its coming/arrival" or "what comes to it."

🤣🤣🤣 when I said you did not know anything did I lie ?

I explain the words for you and you refuse to refute my point with proof that the words are not correct ; instead you are saying other thing .

If you fit nah , tell us the meaning of Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 and the the word فِيهَا ( fiha ) used in verse 72 . Shioor 🤣

Because, if you are correct, then
1. You already contradicted yourself by conceding that the "IT" in ayah 71 and ayah 72 is the Hell fire
2. Except, you accept that the Harmdoers are left OUTSIDE hell fire probably on the bridge of Sirat.

Trash as usual . Shioor . I have refuted all your points so this your insinuation is not correct .

Meaning that Allah chose the worst language to reveal the Qur'an when he knows that there are 10,001 languages in the world who would not speak Arabic and Arabic cannot be accurately translated into other languages.

I repeat . Go and ask your Christian professors in Arabic . They will tell you how rich and powerful Arabic language is compare to English . Many Christians are not studying Arabic language now .

Meaning that Allah chose the worst language to reveal the Qur'an when he knows that there are 10,001 languages in the world who would not speak Arabic and Arabic cannot be accurately translated into other languages.

Its a LAZY Excuse my dear that they use to lie to you Muslims.
Hebrew is a complex Semitic language: How many times do you see Christians or Jews complaining about interpreting it?

Allah that chose Arabic over other languages know best . He is the wisest and he everything . So therefore , your opinion no hold water o .

Your injeel what was reveal in Jesus language ; where is it now nah ; Shioor . The book that have been corrupted . 🙈

Finally,
Let me Help you with TWO Tafsirs of your Scholars (probably their Arabic is worse than mine)

1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

Ibn Abbas is the cousin of your prophet in case you do not know!

🤣🤣🤣 ask yourself does Ibn Abass said Muslim will enter fire 🔥, shiorrr .
Or does he says unbelievers will not enter fire ? Shioor .
The main point is Muslim will be safe from hell fire and unbelievers will not be save . This is the bone of contention nah .


So tried again ; you have failed .


I must ask you my own question later o .

Antiiislam:
I won't lie to you, see ehn I love that verse like kilode

Sule, shey I fit ask you question on that your innnaa of a tin?

You must love the verse by force now because it remind you how u will enter fire 🔥 if you did not repent . You will think na play .

Antiiislam:
Sule, pele sogbo, very soon sha o ma nii total freedom

Opo Christi ti lule piii 🤣🤣

RightChanneI:
I am very happy that you succumb with what my brother Anti-Islam and I are telling you.

Guy, you don't have any choice than to go deep down inside 🔥, this is a decree established by your allah

🤣🤣🤣🤣 just see this one that I finished off with only one question ahaaaa.

Now that you know you are not among those believers that believe in Quran , then you have chosen your fire destination nah . So simple to deal with you and you fellow Libya guys . Shioor

RightChanneI:
Are you aware that the verse was meant for you all in islam?

This is unfair the way you will be treated after leaving this world!

This is the complete verse . Na you finish yourself nah . Gbam . 🤣

Expanse2020:
Did bad behavior/ things come from God let me asked you

No, the true God does not make people do BAD things (Sin) EXCEPT WHEN God is judging EVIL People by Hardening their hearts (Pharaoh Exodus 9:12), Allowing deceptive spirits to control false prophets (Prophets of King Ahab 1Kings 22:23) or God giving over a society to their sinful desires of to sexual impurity (Rom 1:24 or 2Thess 2:11-12).

Therefore, the true God do not decree nor actively inject evil into a human; rather, a person's underlying character determines whether God's actions soften them to repentance or harden them in their sins.






Now, the same Question to you and we find out that Allah ACTIVELY inject Evil into the Lives of Muslims

Does bad behaviour come from Allah?
Definitely Yes!
He want you as Muslims to commit sin!

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.


So that you will be certain that Allah DECIDED your bad behaviours for you


Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.

As you can see, Allah has decided for you all forms of ADULTERIES you Muslims must commit.

And guess what, you are free from the consequences when you commit these EVILS



Sahih Muslim 94 b
Abu Dharr reported,: I came to the Apostle (may peace be upon him ) and he was asleep with a white mantle over him. I again came, he was still asleep, I came again and he had awakened. I sat by his side and (the Holy Prophet) observed: There is none among the bondsmen who affirmed his faith in La illaha ill-Allah there is no God but Allah) and died in this state and did not enter Paradise. I (Abu Dharr) said: Even if he committed adultery and theft? He (the Holy Prophet) replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. I (again said): Even if he committed adultery and theft? He replied: (Yes) even though he committed adultery and theft. (The Holy Prophet repeated it three times) and said for the fourth time: In defiance of Abu Dharr. Abu Dharr then went out and he repeated (these words): In defiance of Abu Dharr.

dofman:
TenQ


🤣 guy , you still not refuted any of my points .

I have not even asked you my own question; but don’t worry I will still ask you later for sure . Let me further correct your misconception .

You refuted yourself my dear!

dofman:
Good , at least you are progressing .

If you agreed everyone including you and me and other people will pass through it , that mean you have equally agreed you will enter same fire as you already claimed for Muslim nah ; And beside I am still standing on the point that in the verse 71 , everyone will come into it (both Muslims and unbelievers ) and It is the next verse 72 that tell us the faith position of cautious people ( Muslim) to be save and wrongdoers will not be save .

NB : the verse 71 never tell you everyone were already in the fire . So never twisted that fact

I will certainly and definitely NOT going to pass through hell with you. It is YOU Muslims and the Harmdoers (according to the Qur'an that will enter the Fire).

Here is what your Allah said:

Qur'an 2:62
"Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve."

When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.

dofman:
Yes 👏, everyone must pass through it but, I did not say they will enter it : do not twist my word o .


You are the one that want to stylishly twisted pass over , I equally say come to it or pass over . And I even told you categorically that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used does not mean inside it . You don’t need to lie or twisted my word . Is that okay ?

No matter the English I used, just focus on the nearest meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . And you should know that the main point is that everyone were not inside the fire in verse 71

Your lack of compression did not allow you to see that either way, you have a problem
1. "Pass Over"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will not be inside the fire but you will PASS OVER the Fire
2. "Come to It"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will be in Hell Fire.

When it is said that:
You came to school means that you came INSIDE the School

Therefore, if you Muslims and the Harmdoers come to Hell, it means that you are INSIDE Hell.

dofman:
Read my previous reply again. I never pointed Hell has the destination of everyone in verse 71 , I said they will come to it or Passover . You can even say approach at and so on .

If you think that English of pass over I used means inside it or cross over , it is capital no .
For you to want to capitalise on Passover word and you think you can twist it , it cannot help you .


Come to it or approach to it is different from they are inside it . Understand nah 😛

Tell me, would the Harmdoers hobble on their knees OVER Hell Fire or INSIDE Hell Fire?

Don't forget that both you Muslims and the Harmdoers are in the same location before Allah will remove you Muslims (after an undisclosed length of time). It is the same location where they were hobbling on their knees (HELL FIRE).


Dont decieve yourself! This was why Allah revealed the verse
Qur'an 5:101
O believers! Do not ask about things which, if made known to you, would distress you..."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7294
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) came out after the sun had declined and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour and mentioned there would happen great events before it. Then he said, "Whoever wants to ask me any question, may do so, for by Allah, you will not ask me about anything but I will inform you of its answer as long as I am at this place of mine." On this, the Ansar wept violently, and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kept on saying, "Ask Me! " Then a man got up and asked, ''Where will my entrance be, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "(You will go to) the Fire." Then `Abdullah bin Hudhaifa got up and asked, "Who is my father, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Your father is Hudhaifa." The Prophet (ﷺ) then kept on saying (angrily), "Ask me! Ask me!" `Umar then knelt on his knees and said, "We have accepted Allah as our Lord and Islam as our religion and Muhammad as an Apostle." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) became quiet when `Umar said that. Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, Paradise and Hell were displayed before me across this wall while I was praying, and I never saw such good and evil as I have seen today."

dofman:
Can you show where




No , You lied here.

🤣 It is you that says in hell fire 🔥, must you repeated this lies after I have even explained the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) to you that it does not mean inside the hell fire

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

1. Did Allah say how long you Muslims will be OVER the Fire of Hell? If no, then it is undetermined.
2. You had answered the question before the "IT" in both ayah 71 and 72 is the Hell Fire but you seem to want to change your mind.


So, tell me, exactly where would both you Muslims and the Harmdoers be in Qur'an 19:71 ?

dofman:
So, you see that the [b]"IT" in Quran 19:71 is exactly the same as the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 : the Hell Fire.[/b]

Hell fire was mentioned in both verse 71 and 72 . The only difference is the approach of everyone to the fire and that is what verse 72 explained . Very cleared to understand for open mind people .

Verse 71 : we will all come into it or approach it or pass over and note that my use of pass over does not mean they are inside the fire .

Verse 72 already told you the specific position of everyone .


This is why [b]Allah will remove you Muslims from the Fire after an undisclosed TIME PERIOD and leave the Harmdoers hobbling on their knees.[/b]

You also lied here 🤣.

The verse never said Allah will remove Muslim from fire 🤣. It is you that added that to it to fabricate your point to suit you . Allah used word save .

Save does not mean they are removed from fire . Your manipulation here will never work .

There are several ways Allah can use to save Muslims not necessary it will allow them to fall into fire and later pick them up ; according to their verse .

Why are you saying what Allah did not say in Qur'an 19:71-72

dofman:
Or, do you think the Harmdoers would be [b]on the Bridge of Sirat?[/b]

You already know that everyone will come to it . No need to repeat this again nah .

Infact some tefsir says the passage will be like sirat called slippery bridge . The main point is that everyone will come into it and verse 72 tell the fate of everyone . Simple .

🤣🤣 guy , you did not refute anything . You did not say any truth . I only bursted your lies and manipulation with proof . You only ridding on your bias mind .

Why do you derive please in LYING to yourself?


You seem to even understand Islam better than your scholars


1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

dofman:
At least , you have understood that the Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean everyone will be inside the fire ✌️

So. in clear terms where would you Muslims and the Harmdoers be since you claim its not inside Hell.

It doesn't make sense if you are said to go to the Hospital but you are not in the hospital. Think now!!

dofman:
Go back to my previous post , I did not use PASS OVER IT alone , I said come to it or pass over . Why are you focussing on passing over nah ; after all ; I told you point blank that the Arabic word there used there does not mean inside it . English can never interpreted the Arabic perfectly ; you can only try .

You already know that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) does not mean inside it . 🤣 so stop twisting facts pls .

I just provided you the true meaning of the Arabic word used in the verse . You can never refute it nah . Shioor .

So glaring , you don’t know anything . 🤣
Sure , hell was mentioned in both verses .
🤣Another lie ahaaa.

It is of different approach and location to fire pls . Stop lying .

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 is different from the word فِيهَا ( inside it ) used in verse 72 .

Must you lie . Shioor .

🤣🤣🤣 when I said you did not know anything did I lie ?

I explain the words for you and you refuse to refute my point with proof that the words are not correct ; instead you are saying other thing .

If you fit nah , tell us the meaning of Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā)[/b] Used in verse 71 and the the word فِيهَا ( fiha ) used in verse 72 . Shioor 🤣

Trash as usual . Shioor . I have refuted all your points so this your insinuation is not correct .

I repeat . Go and ask your Christian professors in Arabic . They will tell you how rich and powerful Arabic language is compare to English . Many Christians are not studying Arabic language now .

Allah that chose Arabic over other languages know best . He is the wisest and he everything . So therefore , your opinion no hold water o .

Your injeel what was reveal in Jesus language ; where is it now nah ; Shioor . The book that have been corrupted . 🙈

🤣🤣🤣 ask yourself does Ibn Abass said Muslim will enter fire 🔥, shiorrr .
Or does he says unbelievers will not enter fire ? Shioor .
The main point is Muslim will be safe from hell fire and unbelievers will not be save . This is the bone of contention nah .


So tried again ; you have failed .

I must ask you my own question later o

You are just repeating yourself without evidence.

Let me help you with a few Hadiths to show that Muslims will be in hell.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6560
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When the people of Paradise have entered Paradise, and the people of the Fire have entered the Fire, Allah will say. 'Take out (of the Fire) whoever has got faith equal to a mustard seed in his heart.' They will come out, and by that time they would have burnt and became like coal, and then they will be thrown into the river of Al-Hayyat (life) and they will spring up just as a seed grows on the bank of a rainwater stream." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Don't you see that the germinating seed comes out yellow and twisted?"


Sunan an-Nasa'i 5010



Sahih Muslim 193 d
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle (ﷺ) said: He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom. Ibn Minhal has made an addition (of these words) in his narration: Yazid said: I met Shu'ba and narrated to him this hadith. Shu'ba said: Qatada transmitted to us this hadith from Anas b. Malik who heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) with this alteration that he substituted the word Zurra (grain) in place of Zarra (atom). Yazid said: Abu Bistam has made a change in it.

[quote author=TenQ post=140414815]

No, the true God does not make people do BAD things (Sin)

Who created sin

EXCEPT WHEN God is judging EVIL People by Hardening their hearts

God judge evil by increasing the volume but cannot remove the evil from them automatically 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
(Pharaoh Exodus 9:12),

Allowing deceptive spirits to control false prophets (Prophets of King Ahab 1Kings 22:23) or God giving over a society to their sinful desires of to sexual impurity (Rom 1:24 or 2Thess 2:11-12).

you are saying God gave up the creation as he cannot control them anymore right

[

i]Therefore, the true God do not decree nor actively inject evil into a human; rather, a person's underlying character determines whether God's actions soften them to repentance or harden them in their sins.[/i]

but your God said he cast terror on pharaoh hearts naw ,😂😂😂

And he also said he decieve prophets too

Guy small small naw
Stop lieing naw

dofman:
This is the complete verse . Na you finish yourself nah . Gbam . 🤣

Possibility that you'll be saved from 🔥 not certain, I think you know?

But it is 101% sure and decree that you must enter 🔥 , nothing you can do about it because it is mandatory and compulsory that you must enter it!

dofman:
🤣🤣🤣🤣 just see this one that I finished off with only one question ahaaaa.

Now that you know you are not among those believers that believe in Quran , then you have chosen your fire destination nah . So simple to deal with you and you fellow Libya guys . Shioor

I strongly believe in quran surat and ayat that said you will enter 🔥

You don't have any other choice because it was your allah that mandated it for you all in islam!

dofman:
Opo Christi ti lule piii 🤣🤣

Sebi dem give you 4hours break today?

dofman:
You must love the verse by force now because it remind you how u will enter fire 🔥 if you did not repent . You will think na play .

Sule, the question I wan ask you regards that your innna is how many days, months or years you will spend inside it?

Expanse2020:
Who created sin

I am not surprised you lack Understanding of spiritual affairs.
Sin is not an object of creation sir.

Sin is the term used to describe when a creature of God violates the integrity of God.

Expanse2020:
God judge evil by increasing the volume but cannot remove the evil from them automatically 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
(Pharaoh Exodus 9:12),

Your comprehension is disappointingly appalling and extremely uncomely.

God is NOT judging evil: Evil is not a Person. God is judging the Evildoer!

The purpose of God is not to remove evil but to SELECT of His creations He gave the gift of FREEDOM and FREEWILL those who would LOVE Him and Do RIGHTEOUS Deeds from their VOLITION!

Unlike Allah, who Destines People to do evil then comes around to throw them in his hell.

Expanse2020:
you are saying God gave up the creation as he cannot control them anymore right

Myopic understanding personified.

God does not force or compel people to do either good or evil.

He allows you to do and undo by yourself because the CONSEQUENCES of your actions is in Store for you.

Is it untrue that a person will reap what he has sown?

Expanse2020:
but your God said he cast terror on pharaoh hearts naw ,😂😂😂

And he also said he decieve prophets too

Guy small small naw
Stop lieing naw

Where did my God say he cast terror in Pharaoh's heart. Quote the verse.

Probably you meant
Quran 3:151
"We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah..."

And
Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Qur'an 3:54 and Qur'an 8:30

Antiiislam:
Sule, the question I wan ask you regards that your innna is how many days, months or years you will spend inside it?

Na you I suppose to ask because you will be there forever o unless you repent . 🤣

RightChanneI:
Possibility that you'll be saved from 🔥 not certain, I think you know?

But it is 101% sure and decree that you must enter 🔥 , nothing you can do about it because it is mandatory and compulsory that you must enter it!

After I exposed this one , he is now on his way to repetition mode ahaaa.

Na you post the evidence yourself self nah.

Hell fire straight . Unless you repent ahaaaa

Antiiislam:
Sebi dem give you 4hours break today?

You want me to be like you sleeping here right ? 🤣

You will not be frustred keh

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree to disagree..na you get that one I showed you the real answer

Where did my God say he cast terror in Pharaoh's heart. Quote the verse.

Exodus 7:3 — “I will harden Pharaoh's heart.”
Exodus 10:1 — “I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials.”
when someone heart is hardened what will he do terror

Probably you meant
Ehen what of the remain verses on Yahweh the master of terrorism according to the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[i]Quran 3:151
"We will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve for what they have associated with Allah..."[/i

]


Exodus 23:27 (NIV): “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter.”


Exodus 15:14–16: “The peoples have heard; they tremble... terror and dread fall upon them.”

Deuteronomy 2:25 — “This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven.”

Deuteronomy 11:25 — “The LORD will put the fear and dread of you on all the land.”

And

Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Yahweh according to the bible is the lord of deceivers


Ezekiel 14:9
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion/deceived so that they may believe what is false.”

1 Kings 22:19–23
God allows a[b] lying spirit[/b] to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish. another deceived

Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceived
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

5 Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 he deceived pharaoh too
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go.[/quote]doffman allow me to finish this guy ... He dey jump up and down everywhere with his deciet he received from his lord of deceivers according to his Bible

TenQ

You refuted yourself my dear!

That is what you will say nah ; because yours lies can never stand in front of the truth . And I bursted them all . 🤣

I will certainly and definitely NOT going to pass through hell with you. It is YOU Muslims and the Harmdoers (according to the Qur'an that will enter the Fire).

🤣🤣🤣 after I finished you , now you quickly change mouth .

No be you previously agreed that everyone will pass through it ahaaa.

Anyway , your opinion will never matter nah . You must pass through it and you will be judge . Your eyes go clear well . Just kpai first .

Here is what your Allah said:

Qur'an 2:62
"Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good will have their reward with their Lord. And there will be no fear for them, nor will they grieve."

Another manipulation 🤣🤣

Read it well :

Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day [/b]and does good will have their reward with their Lord


It says believers ( Muslims) , Jews , Christians and Sabin and [b]who believe in Allah .

The question is :

Are you a Christian type that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Jew that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Serbians that believe in Allah ?

Of course no ; you never believe in Allah nah

The nasora people are old and real follower of Real Jesus , and they truly follow real jesus in his life time and never believe in your evil trinity. Your Christianity type na Paul Follower .

So stop lying , you are not among them.

Let me show you where you belong :

1 : Al-Ma'idah (5:73):"Those who say, 'Allah is one in a Trinity,' have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment."

As you can see you are unbeliever cos you believe in trinity . So therefore decide your destination yourself 😩


2. Surah Al-Fath (48:13): "And whoever has not believed in Allah and His Messenger—then indeed, We have prepared for the disbelievers a Blaze."

As you can see , you never believe in Allah and his messenger. So the destination of such people is hell fire 🔥.

Even your own bible , you did not follow what Jesus told you :

Matthew 4:10: Jesus tells Satan to leave. He says, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only

.'"Luke 4:8: Jesus answers another test. He replies, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"


As you can see , you are not a NOSORA that that believe in God and worship him . You are not true follower of true Jesus .

You follow Paul to worship Jesus instead .









When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.



In the verses discussed , Did the verse ever asked you they will enter the fire and they will be removed ? 🤣 Shioor . Stop lying nah.

Your lack of compression did not allow you to see that either way, you have a problem
1. "Pass Over"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will not be inside the fire but you will PASS OVER the Fire
2. "Come to It"
Meaning that BOTH the Muslims AND the Harmdoers will be in Hell Fire.

🤣🤣 stop disgracing yourself nah .

I still stand on the truth , the Arabic word used there does not mean they will be inside the fire . I have explained this for you and you are still repeating something . Leave story and bring the proof .



If you fit nah , prove yourself in Arabic or English the Arabic word used there mean they are inside fire .


[

i]When it is said that:
You came to school means that you came INSIDE the School [/i]

Therefore, if you Muslims and the Harmdoers come to Hell, it means that you are INSIDE Hell.

🤣Your insinuation hold no water . You don’t know anything .

You are still ranting without a point .

If you fit nah, proof to us that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 mean they will be inside the fire . You can’t use only English to give the best meaning to some words in Quran .

Or tell us why the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire were also used in verse 71 .
Leave story and engage me like someone that have stuff upstair.


Even your Christian professor can never attempted . Who be you . Shioor 🤣

Tell me, would the Harmdoers hobble on their knees OVER Hell Fire or INSIDE Hell Fire?

Don't forget that both you Muslims and the Harmdoers are in the same location before Allah will remove you Muslims (after an undisclosed length of time). It is the same location where they were hobbling on their knees (HELL FIRE).

🤣🤣🤣 guy you need help .

Did the verse say they will be removed inside fire ahaaa. Must you lie .

the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire ; so therefore they will be kneel there inside . Has same verse told you Muslim will kneel there in verse 72 . Reason nah . Shioor .

Dont decieve yourself! This was why Allah revealed the verse
Qur'an 5:101
O believers! Do not ask about things which, if made known to you, would distress you..."

Sahih al-Bukhari 7294
Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet (ﷺ) came out after the sun had declined and offered the Zuhr prayer (in congregation). After finishing it with Taslim, he stood on the pulpit and mentioned the Hour and mentioned there would happen great events before it. Then he said, "Whoever wants to ask me any question, may do so, for by Allah, you will not ask me about anything but I will inform you of its answer as long as I am at this place of mine." On this, the Ansar wept violently, and Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) kept on saying, "Ask Me! " Then a man got up and asked, ''Where will my entrance be, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "(You will go to) the Fire." Then `Abdullah bin Hudhaifa got up and asked, "Who is my father, O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)?" The Prophet (ﷺ) replied, "Your father is Hudhaifa." The Prophet (ﷺ) then kept on saying (angrily), "Ask me! Ask me!" `Umar then knelt on his knees and said, "We have accepted Allah as our Lord and Islam as our religion and Muhammad as an Apostle." Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) became quiet when `Umar said that. Then Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "By Him in Whose Hand my life is, Paradise and Hell were displayed before me across this wall while I was praying, and I never saw such good and evil as I have seen today."

🤣🤣 Another manipulation.

Qur'an 5:101 (Surah Al-Ma'idah) advises believers not to ask about unnecessary matters that might cause distress or make things harder if the answers are revealed.

Reason :

It notes that if such questions or any questions are asked while the Qur'an is being revealed, the answers will be made clear


Guy , you know nothing . Come amd learn . Your manipulation can never stand .

Must you lie ennn 🤣

In other words, for an undetermined TIME PERIOD, EVERYONE (Muslims and ALL Harmdoers) will be in Hell Fire!

1. Did Allah say how long you Muslims will be OVER the Fire of Hell? If no, then it is undetermined.
2. You had answered the question before the "IT" in both ayah 71 and 72 is the Hell Fire but you seem to want to change your mind.

In the verse 71 , Allah never mention Muslim will be in inside fire for time period . Na you said that and your opinion is valueless.

I never change my mind , the hell was was mentioned in both verses . The everyone approaches to the fire are different ; check my previous post again.

Don’t be frustrated nah . You don’t need to manipulate things at all , Quran is not a corrupted book like your book where you guys can manipulated anyhow .

So, tell me, exactly where would both you Muslims and the Harmdoers be in Qur'an 19:71?

You are asking same question over and over 🤣

They will come to it but they are not inside it yet . I still stand on it . The Arabic word used does not mean they are inside .

Verse 72 now tell you who will be inside .

Why are you saying what Allah did not say in Qur'an 19:71-72





Why do you derive please in LYING to yourself?

Na you want to fabricated it and twist it to suit your evil agenda and you have been bursted 🤣🤣


You seem to even understand Islam better than your scholars

1. Tafsir Ibn 'Abbas
On verse 19:71: "(There is not one of you but shall approach it) there is not a single one of you, to the exclusion of prophets and messengers, save that he will enter it, i.e. hell. (That is a fixed ordinance of your Lord) it is a decree that must necessarily take place."

2. Tafsir al-Jalalayn
On verse 19:71:
"There is not one of you but shall come to it that is but shall enter Hell. That is an inevitability already decreed by your Lord something which He made inevitable and which He decreed; He will not waive it."
On verse 19:72: "Then We shall deliver those who were God-fearing and leave the evildoers in it, on their knees."

You have not refuted my claimed nah :

Tefsir means how difffent scholars interpreted it based on their understanding .

Why are you quoting only ibn Abbas 🤣🤣, why not quoting all numerous other scholars that also explain it .

You chose inn Abbas , because it will be very easier for you to twist it . This is what you people do , you will look for an any scholar translation that wil be easier for you to manipulate . Dey play .


What about this nah :


bn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا

(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' " This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all

I will ask again : does ibn abbas said Muslim will not be saved ?

Does he said Muslim will be pull out from hell fire ?

Does he say unbelievers will not be save ?

You don’t even understand what you copied . Shioor

If you can’t answered the 3 questions , that means na you wanted to twisted his word .

How does approach to it mean inside fire ? Shioor .

So. in clear terms where would you Muslims and the Harmdoers be since you claim its not inside Hell.

It doesn't make sense if you are said to go to the Hospital but you are not in the hospital. Think now!!

That is why i told you , you can never use English to perfectly interpret Arabic words

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 never mean they will be inside the fire. Period .

Let me help you with a few Hadiths to show that Muslims will be in hell.

Sahih al-Bukhari 6560
Narrated Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "When the people of Paradise have entered Paradise, and the people of the Fire have entered the Fire, Allah will say. 'Take out (of the Fire) whoever has got faith equal to a mustard seed in his heart.' They will come out, and by that time they would have burnt and became like coal, and then they will be thrown into the river of Al-Hayyat (life) and they will spring up just as a seed grows on the bank of a rainwater stream." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Don't you see that the germinating seed comes out yellow and twisted?"


Sunan an-Nasa'i 5010

Another manipulations 🤣🤣

Some Muslims or all Muslims?

Guy stop lying the facts nah .
Why not also quote where unbelievers like Christians will be in hell fire for life ?

Come and learn .
Listen well cos I will explain this to you once ; okay :

At first , you must know that a non practicing Muslim who believe In Allah and his message may enter fire first before entering paradise and if Allah wishes he can forgive him and let him enter paradise straight .

But for true Muslims , paradise is promised for them straight with permission of Allah and promise :

Surah Al-Baqarah (2:82): "And those who believe [/b]and [b]do righteous deeds - those are the companions of Paradise; they will abide therein eternally."


As you can see the two basic conditions to enter paradise forever are two :

1.Believe in oneness true God - Allah ( not jesuuuu or Ogun, sango ooo)

2. And do the righteous.

If you believe in God ( Muslim) and you do not do good , you may taste fire for the punishment of your sin or if Allah wish he can forgive him as he or she never associated anything with God .

You being a Christian ( unbeliever ) , even if you are a nice person , you will enter fire for life unless you repent . Because you refuse to be a Muslim in the first place . God forgives all sins except associating another god instead of him. .

Surah An-Nisa 4:48: "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him in worship, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."

As I said Why can’t you also quote where unbelievers line Christians will be in hell fire for life ? 🤣

Let me quote it for you :


Surah Al-Ahzab (33:64-65):"Verily, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blaze, abiding therein [khalidina fiha abada]. They will not find a protector or a helper."


Quran 5:72 :


They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary' while the Messiah has said, 'O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."


As you can see , we called you unbelievers for a reason .


The only diffrentce between non practicing Muslim and unbelievers like you is that , unbelievers will remain in fire for life as they never believe in oneness of God and his messager .

Can you compare a sinful Muslims like drunkard , fornicators and other with the cautious Muslim , no nah .






Sahih Muslim 193 d
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle (ﷺ) said: He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom. Ibn Minhal has made an addition (of these words) in his narration: Yazid said: I met Shu'ba and narrated to him this hadith. Shu'ba said: Qatada transmitted to us this hadith from Anas b. Malik who heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) with this alteration that he substituted the word Zurra (grain) in place of Zarra (atom). Yazid said: Abu Bistam has made a change in it.
[/quote]Gbam 🤣 you just defended what I just taught you now .

He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom.


So do you still want to be in Hell fire for life for you being a Christian ?

Choose wisely .

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree to disagree..na you get that one I showed you the real answer




Exodus 7:3 — “I will harden Pharaoh's heart.”
Exodus 10:1 — “I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials.”
when someone heart is hardened what will he do terror

Probably you meant
Ehen what of the remain verses on Yahweh the master of terrorism according to the bible
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]


Exodus 23:27 (NIV): “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter.”


Exodus 15:14–16: “The peoples have heard; they tremble... terror and dread fall upon them.”

Deuteronomy 2:25 — “This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven.”

Deuteronomy 11:25 — “The LORD will put the fear and dread of you on all the land.”

And




Yahweh according to the bible is the lord of deceivers


Ezekiel 14:9
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion/deceived so that they may believe what is false.”

1 Kings 22:19–23
God allows a[b] lying spirit[/b] to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish. another deceived

Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceived
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

5 Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 he deceived pharaoh too
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go.
doffman allow me to finish this guy ... He dey jump up and down everywhere with his deciet he received from his lord of deceivers according to his Bible

Omo , e be like say you know bible than me o 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christians have suffered .

Na them started it shaaa .


Antiiislam , you need to come and learn fro this your teacher o

RightChanneI:
I strongly believe in quran surat and ayat that said you will enter 🔥

You don't have any other choice because it was your allah that mandated it for you all in islam!

Na you cast yourself nah .

As you already know you are unbeliever 🤣

Expanse2020:
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Agree to disagree..na you get that one I showed you the real answer




Exodus 7:3 — “I will harden Pharaoh's heart.”
Exodus 10:1 — “I have hardened his heart and the hearts of his officials.”
when someone heart is hardened what will he do terror

Probably you meant
Ehen what of the remain verses on Yahweh the master of terrorism according to the bible
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

It becomes hard when the Ignorance of an ignorant person is nit even recognised. You should at keast check the dictionary

To Harden a person's heart is to make him STUBBORN and UNYIELDING to the Truth.

It has NOTHING to do with terror!

Expanse2020:
Exodus 23:27 (NIV): “I will send my terror ahead of you and throw into confusion every nation you encounter.”


Exodus 15:14–16: “The peoples have heard; they tremble... terror and dread fall upon them.”

Deuteronomy 2:25 — “This very day I will begin to put the terror and fear of you on all the nations under heaven.”

Deuteronomy 11:25 — “The LORD will put the fear and dread of you on all the land.”

Are these scriptures where God cast terror into the heart of Pharaoh?
SMH!

Why do you keep disgracing yourself. Check the question again and look at your answer.

Expanse2020:
Yahweh according to the bible is the lord of deceivers


Ezekiel 14:9
“If the prophet is deceived... I, the LORD, have deceived that prophet.”

Thessalonians 2:11
“Therefore God sends them a strong delusion/deceived so that they may believe what is false.”

1 Kings 22:19–23
God allows a[b] lying spirit[/b] to go into the mouths of King Ahab's prophets so Ahab will be led into battle and perish. another deceived

Isaiah 6:9–10 another deceived
God tells Isaiah that the people's hearts will become dull, their ears heavy, and their eyes closed, so they will not understand and turn back.

5 Exodus 7:3; 9:12; 10:20 he deceived pharaoh too
God says, “I will harden Pharaoh's heart,” so Pharaoh does not let Israel go.
doffman allow me to finish this guy ... He dey jump up and down everywhere with his deciet he received from his lord of deceivers according to his Bible

If indeed Qur'an 29:46 is true, then it is confirmed that Allah is the BEST of all that decieve!
Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”



So, Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Is Qur'an 29:46 true or false?

doffman:
TenQ
That is what you will say nah ; because yours lies can never stand in front of the truth . And I bursted them all . 🤣

🤣🤣🤣 after I finished you , now you quickly change mouth .

Talk is cheap.
See the person being flogged claiming victory!
Pathetic!!

doffman:
No be you previously agreed that everyone will pass through it ahaaa.

Anyway , your opinion will never matter nah . You must pass through it and you will be judge . Your eyes go clear well . Just kpai first .

You definitely do not believe in your Allah. In Qur'an 19:71-72, there are just two classes of people
1. The Muslims
2. The Harmdoers

And Allah had already given exception to Jews, Christians and Serbians.

doffman:
Another manipulation 🤣🤣

Read it well :

Indeed, the believers, Jews, Christians, and Sabians—whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day [/b]and does good will have their reward with their Lord


It says believers ( Muslims) , Jews , Christians and Sabin and [b]who believe in Allah .

The question is :

Are you a Christian type that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Jew that believe in Allah ?

Are you the Serbians that believe in Allah ?

Of course no ; you never believe in Allah nah

The nasora people are old and real follower of Real Jesus , and they truly follow real jesus in his life time and never believe in your evil trinity. Your Christianity type na Paul Follower .

What you think doesn't matter one bit.
Allah thinks that he is the same as my God.

Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”

doffman:
So stop lying , you are not among them.

Let me show you where you belong :

1 : Al-Ma'idah (5:73):"Those who say, 'Allah is one in a Trinity,' have certainly fallen into disbelief. There is only One God. If they do not stop saying this, those who disbelieve among them will be afflicted with a painful punishment."

As you can see you are unbeliever cos you believe in trinity . So therefore decide your destination yourself 😩


2. Surah Al-Fath (48:13): "And whoever has not believed in Allah and His Messenger—then indeed, We have prepared for the disbelievers a Blaze."

As you can see , you never believe in Allah and his messenger. So the destination of such people is hell fire 🔥.

Even your own bible , you did not follow what Jesus told you :

Matthew 4:10: Jesus tells Satan to leave. He says, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only

.'"Luke 4:8: Jesus answers another test. He replies, "It is written: 'Worship the Lord your God and serve him only.'"


As you can see , you are not a NOSORA that that believe in God and worship him . You are not true follower of true Jesus .

You follow Paul to worship Jesus instead .

1. Unfortunately, ignorantly your God command's we Christians to follow our own scriptures
2. Allah doesn't have a clue of what the Trinity is. He thinks that trinity is Allah, Marry and Jesus.

If Allah your God and his alias Mohammed cannot understand How the True God is Trinity, what do I expect of his Abdul?

Mar 12:29:
"And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:"

doffman:
When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.


In the verses discussed , Did the verse ever asked you they will enter the fire and they will be removed ? 🤣 Shioor . Stop lying nah.

🤣🤣 stop disgracing yourself nah .

I still stand on the truth , the Arabic word used there does not mean they will be inside the fire . I have explained this for you and you are still repeating something . Leave story and bring the proof .



If you fit nah , prove yourself in Arabic or English the Arabic word used there mean they are inside fire .



🤣Your insinuation hold no water . You don’t know anything .

You are still ranting without a point .

If you fit nah, proof to us that Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 mean they will be inside the fire . You can’t use only English to give the best meaning to some words in Quran .

Or tell us why the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire were also used in verse 71 .
Leave story and engage me like someone that have stuff upstair.


Even your Christian professor can never attempted . Who be you . Shioor 🤣
🤣🤣🤣 guy you need help .

Did the verse say they will be removed inside fire ahaaa. Must you lie .

the Arabic فِيهَا ( fiha) used in verse 72 affirming they will be inside the fire ; so therefore they will be kneel there inside . Has same verse told you Muslim will kneel there in verse 72 . Reason nah . Shioor .

You are just thrashing around like one experiencing strangulation.

When a person enters Hell Fire, there is no coming out of it.


You have already answered yourself the "IT" in Qur'an 19:71 and the "IT" in Qur'an 19:72 according to you is Hell Fire. In "IT" aka Hell Fire you Muslims will be with the Harmdoers before you Muslims would later (probably after about 100 million years plus)

doffman:
🤣🤣 Another manipulation.

Qur'an 5:101 (Surah Al-Ma'idah) advises believers not to ask about unnecessary matters that might cause distress or make things harder if the answers are revealed.

Reason :

It notes that if such questions or any questions are asked while the Qur'an is being revealed, the answers will be made clear
Guy , you know nothing . Come amd learn . Your manipulation can never stand .

Must you lie ennn 🤣

A fraudster once told his Client.
"The document I have given you is legit: dont ask questions about it."

We know where such kinds of promises ends: at a loss to the one who wouldn't ask questions.

doffman:
In the verse 71 , Allah never mention Muslim will be in inside fire for time period . Na you said that and your opinion is valueless.

I never change my mind , the hell was was mentioned in both verses . The everyone approaches to the fire are different ; check my previous post again.

Don’t be frustrated nah . You don’t need to manipulate things at all , Quran is not a corrupted book like your book where you guys can manipulated anyhow .

You are asking same question over and over 🤣

They will come to it but they are not inside it yet . I still stand on it . The Arabic word used does not mean they are inside .

Verse 72 now tell you who will be inside

Tell me,
Are the Harmdoers also NOT ALSO yet in Hell?
You Muslims and the Harmdoers are outside the gate of Hell Abi?

Tell me in no uncertain times WHERE both you Muslims and the Harmdoers are?

doffman:
Na you want to fabricated it and twist it to suit your evil agenda and you have been bursted 🤣🤣

You seem to even understand Islam better than your scholars

You have not refuted my claimed nah :

Tefsir means how difffent scholars interpreted it based on their understanding .

Why are you quoting only ibn Abbas 🤣🤣, why not quoting all numerous other scholars that also explain it .

You chose inn Abbas , because it will be very easier for you to twist it . This is what you people do , you will look for an any scholar translation that wil be easier for you to manipulate . Dey play .

What about this nah :

bn Jarir reported from `Abdullah that he said concerning Allah's statement,

وَإِن مِّنكُمْ إِلاَّ وَارِدُهَا

(There is not one of you but will pass over it.) "The bridge over Hell is like the sharp edge of a sword. The first group to cross it will pass like a flash of lightning. The second group will pass like the wind. The third group will pass like the fastest horse. The fourth group will pass like the fastest cow. Then, the rest will pass while the angels will be saying, `O Allah save them, save them.' " This narration has supporting narrations similar to it from the Prophet in the Two Sahihs and other collections as well. These narrations have been related by Anas, Abu Sa`id, Abu Hurayrah, Jabir and other Companions, may Allah be pleased with them all

I will ask again : does ibn abbas said Muslim will not be saved ?

Does he said Muslim will be pull out from hell fire ?

Does he say unbelievers will not be save ?

You don’t even understand what you copied . Shioor

If you can’t answered the 3 questions , that means na you wanted to twisted his word .

How does approach to it mean inside fire ? Shioor .

All you have said is that
Even your scholars are not in agreement with each other about Qur'an 19:71-72

Are you telling me that Ibn Abbas is IGNORANT and he agrees with me?

Note:
Ibn ʿAbbās was given the title Ḥibr al-Ummah (حِبْرُ الأُمَّة), meaning “the scholar” or “ink of the Muslim community, ” because of his exceptional knowledge of the Qur’an, tafsīr, ḥadīth, Arabic language and Islamic jurisprudence. He was also called Baḥr (“the Ocean”) because of the breadth of his knowledge, and Tarjumān al-Qur’ān (“the Interpreter of the Qur’an”).


Tell me that Ibn Abbas the cousin of your prophet is IGNORANT of the Qur'an!

doffman:
That is why i told you , you can never use English to perfectly interpret Arabic words

Arabic word وَارِدُهَا (wa‑āriduhā) used in the verse 71 never mean they will be inside the fire. Period .

Another manipulations 🤣🤣

Some Muslims or all Muslims?

Guy stop lying the facts nah .
Why not also quote where unbelievers like Christians will be in hell fire for life ?

Come and learn .
Listen well cos I will explain this to you once ; okay :

At first , you must know that a non practicing Muslim who believe In Allah and his message may enter fire first before entering paradise and if Allah wishes he can forgive him and let him enter paradise straight .

But for true Muslims , paradise is promised for them straight with permission of Allah and promise :

Repeating yourself will not suddenly change falsehoods into the truth!

doffman:
Surah Al-Baqarah (2:82): "And those who believe [/b]and [b]do righteous deeds - those are the companions of Paradise; they will abide therein eternally."


As you can see the two basic conditions to enter paradise forever are two :

1.Believe in oneness true God - Allah ( not jesuuuu or Ogun, sango ooo)

2. And do the righteous.

If you believe in God ( Muslim) and you do not do good , you may taste fire for the punishment of your sin or if Allah wish he can forgive him as he or she never associated anything with God .

You being a Christian ( unbeliever ) , even if you are a nice person , you will enter fire for life unless you repent . Because you refuse to be a Muslim in the first place . God forgives all sins except associating another god instead of him. .

Surah An-Nisa 4:48: "Indeed, Allah does not forgive associating others with Him in worship, but forgives anything else of whoever He wills. And whoever associates others with Allah has indeed committed a grave sin."

As I said Why can’t you also quote where unbelievers line Christians will be in hell fire for life ? 🤣

Let me quote it for you :


Surah Al-Ahzab (33:64-65):"Verily, Allah has cursed the unbelievers and prepared for them a blaze, abiding therein [khalidina fiha abada]. They will not find a protector or a helper."


Quran 5:72 :


They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary' while the Messiah has said, 'O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.' Indeed, he who associates others with Allah - Allah has forbidden him Paradise, and his refuge is the Fire. And there are not for the wrongdoers any helpers."


As you can see , we called you unbelievers for a reason .


The only diffrentce between non practicing Muslim and unbelievers like you is that , unbelievers will remain in fire for life as they never believe in oneness of God and his messager .

Can you compare a sinful Muslims like drunkard , fornicators and other with the cautious Muslim , no nah .

Unfortunately, If Christians are entering Hell fire with you Muslims, tell me how you can use a person in Hell to ransom for a person also in hell?

Riyad as-Salihin 432
Abu Musa Al-Ash'ari (May Allah be pleased with him) reported:
Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "On the Day of Resurrection, Allah will deliver to every Muslim, a Jew or a Christian and say: 'This is your ransom from Hell-fire."'
Another narration is: Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said, "There would come people amongst the Muslims on the Day of Resurrection with sins as heavy as a mountain, and Allah would forgive them".


Tell me how reasonable it is that Allah will leave alone Atheists, Buddhists and ALL Idol worshippers but pick upon Christians and Jews as RANSOM for you Muslims from Hell?
Even sins as heavy as Mountains will get ransomed: IS THIS NOT DECEPTION!?

doffman:
Sahih Muslim 193 d
Anas b. Malik reported: Verily the Apostle (ﷺ) said: He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom. Ibn Minhal has made an addition (of these words) in his narration: Yazid said: I met Shu'ba and narrated to him this hadith. Shu'ba said: Qatada transmitted to us this hadith from Anas b. Malik who heard it from the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) with this alteration that he substituted the word Zurra (grain) in place of Zarra (atom). Yazid said: Abu Bistam has made a change in it.




Gbam 🤣 you just defended what I just taught you now .

He who professed: There is no god but Allah, would be brought out of the Fire even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a barley grain. Then he who professed: There is no god but Allah, would come out of the Fire, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of a wheat grain. He would then bring out from the Fire he who professed: There is no god but Allah, even though he has in his heart virtue equal to the weight of an atom.


So do you still want to be in Hell fire for life for you being a Christian ?

Choose wisely .

Are you saying that Islam is a bundle of CONTRADICTION?

You just listed deeds that will get you into paradise but you forgot that your prophet said you cannot earn paradise.

Sahih Muslim 2816 f
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying:
None amongst you can get. into Paradise by virtue of his deeds alone. They said: Allah's Messenger, not even you? Thereupon he said: Not even I, but that Allah should wrap me in His Grace and Mercy.



Even your prophet doesn't know what will become of himself

Qur’an 46:9,
“Say, ‘I am not something original among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you. I only follow that which is revealed to me, and I am only a clear warner.’”


It seems you do NOT even believe in the Destiny of Allah. He decides who will go to paradise or hell before they were born.

It seems you are not aware that Even Babies of Muslim parents can go to Hell Fire.

TenQ:
It becomes hard when the Ignorance of an ignorant person is nit even recognised. You should at keast check the dictionary

To Harden a person's heart is to make him STUBBORN and UNYIELDING to the Truth.

It has NOTHING to do with terror!

did pharaoh terrorized his people YES,
Who makes him do it
The almighty of terror according to the bible
Is Yahweh a terror God according to the bible
YES he cast terror on his creation, terrorized his creation in different places according to the bible that I shared the evidences already

Are these scriptures where God cast terror into the of Pharaoh?

did he terrozed people
YEs or No
If you have ball answer it 🤣🤣🤣

Why do you keep disgracing yourself. Check the question again and look at your answer

crying as usual. Whenever I pressed him he will cry and rant🤣🤣🤣

I Qur'an 29:46 is true, then it is confirmed that Allah is the BEST of all that decieve!
Qur’an 29:46:
“Our God and your God is one, and we are Muslims [submitting] to Him.”



So, Allah is the BEST of ALL Deceivers (al-Makireen)

Is Qur'an 29:46 true or false?

According to the bible verses I shared
Did you now agree and concluded that Yahweh is a lord of the deciever according to your Bible

Agree we move to another topic

doffman:
Na you cast yourself nah .

As you already know you are unbeliever 🤣

I am not unbeliever because I strongly believed in quran 19:71 that says you will enter 🔥

doffman:
After I exposed this one , he is now on his way to repetition mode ahaaa.

Na you post the evidence yourself self nah.

Hell fire straight . Unless you repent ahaaaa

You exposed who?

Are you saying you exposed the decree allah made that you will enter 🔥 in quran 19:71-72?

[s]Now, the same Question to you and we find out that Allah ACTIVELY inject Evil into the Lives of Muslims


Does bad behaviour come from Allah?
Definitely Yes![/s]
No Allah doesn't inject evil into man heart, it doesn't hardened ppl heart, he does not deceived ppl ALMIGHTY YAHWEH DID according to the bible

[quote]He want you as Muslims to commit sin!

Sahih Muslim 2749
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) having said:
By Him in Whose Hand is my life, if you were not to commit sin, Allah would sweep you out of existence and He would replace (you by) those people who would commit sin and seek forgiveness from Allah, and He would have pardoned them.

I taught my BIBLE said every children is born inside sin they originated sin 🤣🤣🤣🤣 from the first father
Gbammmm

Abi are you talking about another sin I don't know of

So that you will be certain that Allah DECIDED your bad behaviours for you

no he didn't choose for us because he gave us brain to CHOOSE TO DO GOOD OR BAD that why he will judge is on that ..unlike the sheep's that have done redemption with human sacrifices...like say you be masquerade ppl🤣🤣🤣

Sahih Muslim 2658 a
Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) as saying. Allah fixed the very portion of adultery which a man will indulge in. There would be no escape from it. The adultery of the eye is the lustful look and the adultery of the ears is listening to voluptuous (song or talk) and the adultery of the tongue is licentious speech and the adultery of the hand is the lustful grip (embrace) and the adultery of the feet is to walk (to the place) where he intends to commit adultery and the heart yearns and desires which he may or may not put into effect.

Gbamm 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
to shock you with the same verses in the bible
My bible says

1 John 2:16 (KJV)
“For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.”

Matthew 5:27–28
“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.”

1 Corinthians 6:18
“Flee fornication. Every sin that a person commits is outside the body, but whoever commits sexual immorality sins against his own body.”

As you can see, Allah has decided for you all forms of ADULTERIES you Muslims must commit.

so as the almighty YAHWEH did in the storybook you carry up and down 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
You go cry seh

Doffman
Omo ìyá mi
De feel me
This guy must cry here
Every ayat or each hadiths he quoted at least will be returned with minimum of 3verses in the bible
You will not do it again
Christianity tii cast

doffman:
Omo , e be like say you know bible than me o 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Christians have suffered .

Na them started it shaaa .


Antiiislam , you need to come and learn fro this your teacher o

Sule, sebi you have the story of pharaoh inside your quran and hadith and you know how stubborn he was like your anobi

doffman:
You want me to be like you sleeping here right ? 🤣

You will not be frustred keh

I will never be like you ara ahamo Libya that has time table to access phone daily

doffman:
Na you I suppose to ask because you will be there forever o unless you repent . 🤣

Are you now denying your friendship with allah and anobi nii? or is it because dem promise you inna you are now denying them