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AyarmBoye:
so that once in 6-8 months nah work? Nah your money sha,,that’s your choice

so if it's 6 month max, those battery charger will collect a lot or it's not smtin a layman can do all my himself.

However it'll still not last as usual, if na only water issue people for still dey use am since it's cheaper than lithium battery of it kind.

Like each battery of tubular battery of 220ah 12v compared to the price of a 200ah 12v battery

We should not be comparing 'Apples with Oranges'!

If we want to compare Gel Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

If we want to compare Lithium Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

There is a reason that Technology is always evolving, to bring us BETTER Things, than what we are used to in the past.

It is like comparing a "Badly built" Airplane, with a "Good" Horse, is a prime waste of time, because a badly built plane will eventually crash, while the good Horse will still be worth riding by it's owner..... and some of us can argue that a Horse is a better means of long distance transportation, than a Plane.

Kingadex60:
so if it's 6 month max, those battery charger will collect a lot or it's not smtin a layman can do all my himself.

However it'll still not last as usual, if na only water issue people for still dey use am since it's cheaper than lithium battery of it kind.

Like each battery of tubular battery of 220ah 12v compared to the price of a 200ah 12v battery

bro read through your write up,,can you understand yourself?

smallsmall:
We should not be comparing 'Apples with Oranges'!

If we want to compare Gel Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

If we want to compare Lithium Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

There is a reason that Technology is always evolving, to bring us BETTER Things, than what we are used to in the past.

It is like comparing a "Badly built" Airplane, with a "Good" Horse, is a prime waste of time, because a badly built plane will eventually crash, while the good Horse will still be worth riding by it's owner..... and some of us can argue that a Horse is a better means of long distance transportation, than a Plane.

a quality lead acid will hands down beat a quality gel battery,,just as a quality Lithium will hands down beat a quality lead acid battery…..it’s not a rocket science…We done test them well in the past..experience is the best teacher

AyarmBoye:
a quality lead acid will hands down beat a quality gel battery,,just as a quality Lithium will hands down beat a quality lead acid battery…..it’s not a rocket science…We done test them well in the past..experience is the best teacher

na wetin I dey insinuate be that which you seem not to understand me

Make una dey try verify some of the things una dey type. Gel is a lead acid battery now. If u won compare something u can say tubular vs gel not gel vs lead acid.
Someone above already even mentioned that GEl is a type of lead acid sef

smallsmall:
We should not be comparing 'Apples with Oranges'!

If we want to compare Gel Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

If we want to compare Lithium Battery with Lead Acid, it should either be 'Quality' of Both,... or "Cheap" of Both.

There is a reason that Technology is always evolving, to bring us BETTER Things, than what we are used to in the past.

It is like comparing a "Badly built" Airplane, with a "Good" Horse, is a prime waste of time, because a badly built plane will eventually crash, while the good Horse will still be worth riding by it's owner..... and some of us can argue that a Horse is a better means of long distance transportation, than a Plane.

Finally, seems you don dey get some of ma arguments. and reason I often say things along the line "You better off getting a good quality USEd leadAcid battery than a low quality Lithium battery"

AyarmBoye:
a quality lead acid will hands down beat a quality gel battery,,just as a quality Lithium will hands down beat a quality lead acid battery…..it’s not a rocket science…We done test them well in the past..experience is the best teacher

wetin come happen. FInally, you guys seem to be agreeing with mua

Jefferyzz:
Make una dey try verify some of the things una dey type. Gel is a lead acid battery now. If u won compare something u can say tubular vs gel not gel vs lead acid.
Someone above already even mentioned that GEl is a type of lead acid sef

and person surprise when I said there are lots of people including those parading as professionals who don't even know what's called GEL, let alone where it stands

Used Growatt 3 Phase Inverter 5000tl3-Xh available Ooo

4️⃣ 5️⃣ 0️⃣ k

should i buy Felicity IVEM3024 or Luxsun 4.2kVA. who have use luxsun inverter before.

already have solar panel and battery

seepanel:
should i buy Felicity IVEM3024 or Luxsun 4.2kVA. who have use luxsun inverter before.

already have solar panel and battery

you should have included how many solar panels and their capacity. Either way, you're better off with the felicity than that luxSun inverter. Don't mind the luxSun appears bigger than the feliCity.

bassdow:
you should have included how many solar panels and their capacity. Either way, you're better off with the felicity than that luxSun inverter. Don't mind the luxSun appears bigger than the feliCity.

4 620w panels, 2 tubular batteires, 3 200l freezer, 2 fan, pumping machine, 32 inch tv and lights

seepanel:
4 620w panels, 2 tubular batteires, 3 200l freezer, 2 fan, pumping machine, 32 inch tv and lights

na that tubular spoil everything

seepanel:
should i buy Felicity IVEM3024 or Luxsun 4.2kVA. who have use luxsun inverter before.

already have solar panel and battery

I have used at least 10 pieces of LuxSun 4.2KVA for my clients. Some over a year ago, and no single complain until this moment. I also use one personally. have had no complain.

bassdow:
you should have included how many solar panels and their capacity. Either way, you're better off with the felicity than that luxSun inverter. Don't mind the luxSun appears bigger than the feliCity.

He didn't need help with the panels, why the need to include that, boss?

Or you want him to type epistle like one bro?

seepanel:
4 620w panels, 2 tubular batteires, 3 200l freezer, 2 fan, pumping machine, 32 inch tv and lights

Tubular? Who advise you to buy that boss?
When Mrreed and others they to give you better quality.


Omoh!

Jefferyzz:
Make una dey try verify some of the things una dey type. Gel is a lead acid battery now. If u won compare something u can say tubular vs gel not gel vs lead acid.
Someone above already even mentioned that GEl is a type of lead acid sef

we understand each other,,we have been comparing gel and tubular jare…the argument that let to all these was gel and tubular

seepanel:
should i buy Felicity IVEM3024 or Luxsun 4.2kVA. who have use luxsun inverter before.

already have solar panel and battery

If I were you, I would have gone for a Itel hybrid inverter.

BASSDOW, LEAD ACID, AND THE FUTURE OF LiFePO4 IN NIGERIA (LONG READ)
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I've been on this space for some time and I’ve seen Bassdow attacked because of his defense of lead acid batteries. Many people say he does not know what he is talking about and that lithium is the best.
>
So, let me start with my analysis. If I remember correctly, Bassdow said he started his solar journey in the late 90s and early 2000s. This means he saw original lead acid batteries that were not tampered with and noted their capacities. Many of us criticizing lead acid batteries today did not experience the original ones and mostly used the fake ones that have flooded the market. Even the so-called top-tier lead acid batteries (Genus and Luminous) may have dropped their quality to compete with the substandard lead acid batteries that have flooded the market.
>
When you look at foreign videos, you will see some people who have used their lead acid batteries for 6+ years without noticeable drop in backup time. However, most lead acid batteries in Nigeria today start to ‘kpeme’ after 2 years of use.
>
Currently, sellers of premium cells (e.g., Valto and Mr Reed) are trying to maintain standards. However, complete batteries are beginning to appear, which are cheaper than premium cells alone. As lithium becomes mainstream, we may start having Grade D, E, and F cells that cost half of what Valto and Reed sell.
>
For instance, a 280-314 Ah cell currently sells between 95-120k. So cells alone for a 15-17 kwh battery will cost 1.5 m to 1.9 m. How will you compete with someone who sells a supposedly complete 15 kwh battery for 1 m with aggressive marketing? And knowing that Nigerians like fake things, will premium sellers be willing to maintain standards and lose sales or compromise to maintain desired profit margins?
>
This is what I see. Lithium cells will begin to loose their longevity as fake ones come in and very soon people will begin to hate lithium like they hate lead acid now. If standards are not kept, lithium may begin to have the same problems, and even more, compared to lead acid.
>
Many people overseas are still buying lead acid. In fact, many companies have refused to move to lithium because of several advantages of older battery chemistries. For instance, fires from lithium-based batteries are under-reported because of media bias. Do your research.
>
To each his own. Lithium is good but if I see a very original lead acid for a reasonable price, I will buy. Unfortunately, most of the lead acid batteries available are substandard. Moreover, with the way things are going in Nigeria, there will soon be more substandard lithium-based batteries (with plenty fires and kaboom).
>
Summary? Buy original things or make informed decision when deciding to buy cheaper things – cry now and cry small or cry later and cry big.

smallsmall:
That cant be equated to 'sacking your Landlord", as it is a natural progression for any hardworking person, (which l would have understood) and it does not even fit "the context" of the discussion.
That cant be what he meant, but since he has chosen to be mum about it, i will let it remain so.
Na person wey drop proverb for his in-law presence, go get a lot of explaining to do.

Appreciate your input.

😅🤣🤣

What a tragedy in the nollywood industry, Actor ogogo is dead.

Well said

Tdoctor:
BASSDOW, LEAD ACID, AND THE FUTURE OF LiFePO4 IN NIGERIA (LONG READ)
>
I've been on this space for some time and I’ve seen Bassdow attacked because of his defense of lead acid batteries. Many people say he does not know what he is talking about and that lithium is the best.
>
So, let me start with my analysis. If I remember correctly, Bassdow said he started his solar journey in the late 90s and early 2000s. This means he saw original lead acid batteries that were not tampered with and noted their capacities. Many of us criticizing lead acid batteries today did not experience the original ones and mostly used the fake ones that have flooded the market. Even the so-called top-tier lead acid batteries (Genus and Luminous) may have dropped their quality to compete with the substandard lead acid batteries that have flooded the market.
>
When you look at foreign videos, you will see some people who have used their lead acid batteries for 6+ years without noticeable drop in backup time. However, most lead acid batteries in Nigeria today start to ‘kpeme’ after 2 years of use.
>
Currently, sellers of premium cells (e.g., Valto and Mr Reed) are trying to maintain standards. However, complete batteries are beginning to appear, which are cheaper than premium cells alone. As lithium becomes mainstream, we may start having Grade D, E, and F cells that cost half of what Valto and Reed sell.
>
For instance, a 280-314 Ah cell currently cells between 95-120k. So cells alone for a 15-17 kwh battery will cost 1.5 m to 1.9 m. How will you compete with someone who sells a supposedly complete 15 kwh battery for 1 m with aggressive marketing? And knowing that Nigerians like fake things, will premium sellers be willing to maintain standards and lose sales or compromise to maintain desired profit margins?
>
This is what I see. Lithium cells will begin to loose their longevity as fake ones come in and very soon people will begin to hate lithium like they hate lead acid now. If standards are not kept, lithium may begin to have the same problems, and even more, compared to lead acid.
>
Many people overseas are still buying lead acid. In fact, may companies have refused to move to lithium because of several advantages of older battery chemistries. For instance, fires from lithium-based batteries are under-reported because of media bias. Do your research.
>
To each his own. Lithium is good but if I see a very original lead acid for a reasonable price, I will buy. Unfortunately, most of the lead acid batteries available are substandard. Moreover, with the way things are going in Nigeria, there will soon be more substandard lithium-based batteries (with plenty fires and kaboom).
>
Summary? Buy original things or make informed decision when deciding to buy cheaper things – cry now and cry small or cry later and cry big.

Tdoctor:
BASSDOW, LEAD ACID, AND THE FUTURE OF LiFePO4 IN NIGERIA (LONG READ)
>
I've been on this space for some time and I’ve seen Bassdow attacked because of his defense of lead acid batteries. Many people say he does not know what he is talking about and that lithium is the best.
>
So, let me start with my analysis. If I remember correctly, Bassdow said he started his solar journey in the late 90s and early 2000s. This means he saw original lead acid batteries that were not tampered with and noted their capacities. Many of us criticizing lead acid batteries today did not experience the original ones and mostly used the fake ones that have flooded the market. Even the so-called top-tier lead acid batteries (Genus and Luminous) may have dropped their quality to compete with the substandard lead acid batteries that have flooded the market.
>
When you look at foreign videos, you will see some people who have used their lead acid batteries for 6+ years without noticeable drop in backup time. However, most lead acid batteries in Nigeria today start to ‘kpeme’ after 2 years of use.
>
Currently, sellers of premium cells (e.g., Valto and Mr Reed) are trying to maintain standards. However, complete batteries are beginning to appear, which are cheaper than premium cells alone. As lithium becomes mainstream, we may start having Grade D, E, and F cells that cost half of what Valto and Reed sell.
>
For instance, a 280-314 Ah cell currently cells between 95-120k. So cells alone for a 15-17 kwh battery will cost 1.5 m to 1.9 m. How will you compete with someone who sells a supposedly complete 15 kwh battery for 1 m with aggressive marketing? And knowing that Nigerians like fake things, will premium sellers be willing to maintain standards and lose sales or compromise to maintain desired profit margins?
>
This is what I see. Lithium cells will begin to loose their longevity as fake ones come in and very soon people will begin to hate lithium like they hate lead acid now. If standards are not kept, lithium may begin to have the same problems, and even more, compared to lead acid.
>
Many people overseas are still buying lead acid. In fact, may companies have refused to move to lithium because of several advantages of older battery chemistries. For instance, fires from lithium-based batteries are under-reported because of media bias. Do your research.
>
To each his own. Lithium is good but if I see a very original lead acid for a reasonable price, I will buy. Unfortunately, most of the lead acid batteries available are substandard. Moreover, with the way things are going in Nigeria, there will soon be more substandard lithium-based batteries (with plenty fires and kaboom).
>
Summary? Buy original things or make informed decision when deciding to buy cheaper things – cry now and cry small or cry later and cry big.

Nicely said.

The irony with Lithium batteries, like I have said from begining, Making low quality lithium batteries is easy and cheap because barrier to entry is low. Anyone can buy low-quality cells, cheap BMS, optionally watch a YouTube video, and couple them in a corner of their room.

Low quality lead-acid batteries cost more to make hence not everyOne can venture into it. You mostly might have to involve factories.

A lot of us still remembers quality of the power stations a lot of them were building and selling. Engineers come plenty like GNLD and TianShi people.

Also said in about 2 years time, complains for Lithium based batteries could increase astronomically.

Despite knowing the likes of mrReed and Valto wouldn't easily want to soil their brand on this thread as they would be called out, a lot of people still appear to act like they don't know where to purchase good enough Lithium batteries AND I do understand it's mostly due to costs.

Even in hosting, a longtime On & OFF client came few days ago wanting to host a website for peaNuts. When informed of fees, was quick to show receipt of just expired suscription with another provider. I repeatedly asked (because they kept dodging) why not continue with them and the client's words were moving like Palito radio's signal when breeze blow. They want more than the best BUT at a fraction of the cost of that competitor with shitty service.

If not for our Y of offering hosting services, would have adjusted to match fees charged by others. Me go just tell you our hosting ain't meant for everyOne. You're told that even before you make up ya mind.

When that time comes, the likes of mrReed and Valto would have to decide if to loose some/most sales or adjust.

If we have to adjust our fees to match competition, and end up offering subpar services, then we end up doing same thing that forced us to start our own in the first place.

bassdow:
Used Growatt 3 Phase Inverter 5000tl3-Xh available Ooo

How much?

smallsmall:
How much?

4️⃣ 5️⃣ 0️⃣ k

smallsmall:
How much?

4️⃣ 0️⃣ 0️⃣ k

bassdow:
4️⃣ 5️⃣ 0️⃣ k

#450K.

- Picture?
- How long has it been in Service? Maybe a Purchase Reciept will do.
- Has it ever been Repaired/Opened?
- Any After Sales Warranty?

I have been looking for the Item online so as to see it's Specifications but can find it, do you have a link to it (I want to see what l plan to buy)

smallsmall:
#450K.

- Picture?
- How long has it been in Service? Maybe a Purchase Reciept will do.
- Has it ever been Repaired/Opened?
- Any After Sales Warranty?

I have been looking for the Item online so as to see it's Specifications but can find it, do you have a link to it (I want to see what l plan to buy)

Let me use google to show you. I presumed giving complete brand + model was enough.

As for all your questions above, it's never been repaired and as for after sales warantee, well it's being sold as USEd item.

See this link below for features and for more, kindly message me so we don't derail the thread.

As usual, not directly mine. Selling on behalf of clients who upgraded. There are others also available both small and big.

This particular one ain't Nigerian used

https://growatt.tech/product/growatt-mod-5000-tl3-xh-bp-5kw-3-phase-hybrid-inverter/

bkuranga:
I have used at least 10 pieces of LuxSun 4.2KVA for my clients. Some over a year ago, and no single complain until this moment. I also use one personally. have had no complain.

want to buy use one. price for luxsun is high so is now felicity 3kva or sako. which one is better please

bassdow:
Let me use google to show you. I presumed giving complete brand + model was enough.

As for all your questions above, it's never been repaired and as for after sales warantee, well it's being sold as USEd item.

See this link below for features and for more, kindly message me so we don't derail the thread.

As usual, not directly mine. Selling on behalf of clients who upgraded. There are others also available both small and big.

This particular one ain't Nigerian used

https://growatt.tech/product/growatt-mod-5000-tl3-xh-bp-5kw-3-phase-hybrid-inverter/

Thanks for the link, i will suggest you try and not be too 'miserly with information' about what you wish to sell, it wont cost you anything, if you included the link to the product, in your initial advert.
Discussing Sale of an "Inverter", on a Solar Energy Thread, is NOT a derailment, not in a million years. Others might also be interested, while Reading and Watching,

But something is seems iffy to me here: You said it is NOT Nigerian used, which makes it a Foreign Used (Tokunbo).
You then said 'you are selling it on behalf of a Client who "Upgraded".

My 'wonderment' is that since it is foreign used, never used in Nigeria, are you selling on behalf of the Foreign Oyinbo who used it and is Upgrading, ..... or on behalf of a Nigerian user who is Upgrading?
Both CANNOT be True concurrently! So, which one is it?

I want to think you have seen the Product you are offering to sell?, why not just take a Picture of it and post, with the Advert?
As a Rule of Thumb, NEVER buy a used Product, if the Seller is unwilling to show you it's current Picture/State.
The Online Picture is for NEW Product, which is not what is being offered for Sale!

The Product Name you posted is not exactly the same as the link you posted now because you omitted the MOD (Growatt MOD 5000 TL3-XH BP 5kW 3-Phase Hybrid Inverter ) at the beginning, as well as the BP at the end ( Growatt 3 Phase Inverter 5000tl3-Xh available Ooo you posted)............ which is why my Online search could not find an exact match.

I will ask detailed questions when buying a used Product without any form of Warranty, at almost Half a Million Naira and wont proceed, unless those questions are answered clearly upfront (i dont like aftersales arguments!).

I will let others give it a go,
Thanks for your response.