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| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by nairalanda1(m): 8:56am On Aug 26*. Modified: 9:20am On Aug 26 |
Humorously speaking, the guy who wrote the article just said he wants to eat tomorrow's bread today Government told us that subsidies on petrol, kerosene and diesel were the problem. They increased the price of petrol. They removed diesel subsidy in 2003. They removed kerosene subsidy in 2016. They removed petrol subsidy in 2023. Each time the promise was the same. Remove subsidy, save money and build a better Nigeria.This is the basis of all arguments against subsidy, that somehow we were promised a better Nigeria if subsidy went. True, that was the promise. But those making the promise, and those arguing for subsidy have a fundamental misunderstanding of Nigeria's problem Nigeria has issues because we are not a productive economy. And to add insult to injury, we depend a lot on consumption and spend a lot on consumption to make consumption cheaper. That is where our problem lies. As a result, we maintained subsides on petrol for over 5 decades, and virtually wiped out domestic refining in this country, because we essentially deprived the refineries of profit and monies to grow, repair themselves, expand production and so forth, in the name of cheap fuel And we are still maintaining subsides on electricity which has led to the mess in the sector, and the disgrace. When it comes to economics, NIgerians, like Tonye and most of the commenters on this site, including the APC data bots who are using subsidy removal to campaign (while their government maintains wasteful subsides on electricity and also on education and health, to disastrous effects)...demonstrate severe ignorance of why a subsidy is damaging to a nation's economy, and why it is necessary for any industry to make a profit while it runs its business. Subsidies damaged the refining sector by having the government set a price , and then pay a subsidy that was never enough to cover the losses made from selling fuel below the production cost, which hampered the ability of the refineries to work properly as they could not import replacement spare parts, components, and other things needed to operate well. It also provided opportunites for corruption by essentially making it easy to sabotage refineries for cheap government money in the form of subsidy increases. After all, they would pay the subsidy money even if nothing was produced....and it led to the chronic lack of funds that led to the suspension of turn around maintenance on the refineries for 15 solid years...if not longer....which is why they cannot be revived, despite what NNPC tells you. And the ignorance is even demonstrated in analysing why fuel consumption dropped. It was largely because in a subsidy economy, people buy more and more fuel. Since it is cheap, and that strains the ability of the government to pay subsides. Also, smuggling, and the same corruption, manifesting in the ease of being able to lie about how much fuel is bought and sold under a subsidy regime...because free government money. And since government can't have eyes everywhere, ... Honestly , what annoys me about the ignorance on this site is that you have people who have university degrees defending a policy that forced government to sell fuel at a loss, then fund the subsidy based on crude oil sales, which are at the moment not even enough to fund our budget, meaning that any rise in subsidy costs would lead to more borrowing. And a fall in oil prices with a subsidy in place would even lead to more borrowing. Consider our budgets for these years... 2010: Budget : N4 trillion, oil revenue 9.15 trillion, subsidy costs 1.3 trillion 2011: Budget : N4.3 trillion, oil revenue 6.815 trillion naira, subsidy buget : 240 billion, subsidy cost actual 2.7 trillion (see why jonathan wanted to remove subsidy) 2012: Budget : 4 trillion , oil revenue 12.5 trillion, subsidy budget 888 trillion, actual cost, less than that (partial removal of subsidy benefit) 2016: Budget : 6 trillion, oil revenue 2.6 trillion (effect of falling prices ), subsdiy costs 0 (effect of buhari raising oil prices to a level where subsidy was no longer payable, because of low oil revenue and massive borrowing.) 2019: Budget : N8.83 trillion oil revenue, 4.5 trillion, subsidy costs :Budget : 305 bn, actual monies paid 572 billion 2022: Budget: 17.12 trillion, oil revenue : 3trillion, subsidy costs 4 trillion naira.(rising oil prices raised subsidy costs, rising debt incurred when we had to borrow because low oil prices chopped most of the oil revenue. THIS IS WHY SUBSIDY HAD TO GO). See a pattern? There are issues funding the budget, and massive debt. It is not me supporting tinubu, I don't support him, it is me showing you that we do not have the monies to fund subsidy right now, even if Atiku wins tomorrow. Yes government, but there is no magic that would bring enough monies to fund subsidy. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by April4th(m): 8:56am On Aug 26 |
helinues:That was the same story we heard when Buhari became president. At the end, he did 8 consecutive years and left the country in a much dire strait. We ordinary Nigerians are tired of the numerous excuses, we just want the Nigerian system to work and favor the common man. Is that too much to ask? |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by helinues: 9:00am On Aug 26 |
April4th:So you mean you and your family have been languishing under penury since the inception of this government? Na question I asked oo no be fight |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by TonyeBarcanista(op): 9:01am On Aug 26 |
Well said! I suspect a mystery/conspiracy by the elite class, irrespective of political leaning, to always employ fancy words and phrases each time they want to roll out self-serving policy. svc1: |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by TonyeBarcanista(op): 9:04am On Aug 26 |
Sadly, the gentleman who you responded to, is among the commoners. I wonder how one will feel comfortable to defend a bad policy what he is a victim of April4th: |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by tnerro1(m): 9:04am On Aug 26 |
APC people don’t understand, Atiku is talking about subsidizing production of fuel not consumption. They have air in their brains, so they will never understand. Let’s vote for Atiku so government can help the masses to survive. A government that imposes 100% subsidy on its citizens is like a father that refuses to help his children, saying that anyone that can survive should survive and anyone that can’t survive should die. That is a very wicked father/goverment. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Gkay1(m): 9:04am On Aug 26 |
helinues:What about the money mr president borrowed, what did he use it for |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by helinues: 9:05am On Aug 26 |
April4th:The online billionaires Dem. ![]() So who are the people going through the hunger, are you crying on the bereaved? Btw, if you are so rich to the extent of feeding me, in which economy are you that buoyant? |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by helinues: 9:06am On Aug 26 |
Gkay1:He must have also been the one that borrowed the debts he has been servicing |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Opinedecandid(m): 9:06am On Aug 26 |
helinues:I don't know how much people like you are gaining from Tinubu. Can't you simply be objective for once? If trillions are saved from fuel subsidy removal. Why borrow in 3 years what no government borrowed in 8 years? Stop blind hypocrisy. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by helinues: 9:08am On Aug 26 |
Opinedecandid:Sebi this government didn't service any debt by the previous government. Some of you will be horrible as ordinary a class rep |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Reloadedisraelp: 9:09am On Aug 26 |
1bunne4lif:his not defending rubbish,he's definitely right on what he's saying.... The question is since the governors have more money.what are they doing with it?... even the local government chairmen need to be question too. Am not a fan of tinubu ,but I tell u his policy are bond but due to the fantastically corrupt nature of Nigeria nothing is going to work. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Bishopwizzy(m): 9:12am On Aug 26 |
helinues:how rich the governor's have being ? what a pity. they more money the governors get as allocation haven't translated into development in over 85% of the states in the country even at federal levels. the masses are the ones bearing the heaviest weight of these tough economic policies and rising living costs. if you like dont tell yourself the truth |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by helinues: 9:13am On Aug 26 |
Bishopwizzy:Have you questioned the governors before questioning the FG? |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Loonyy(m): 9:20am On Aug 26 |
helinues:The way you rush to defend Tinubu Government Baffles me, are you paid to do so or it's admiration? Making more money available to Governors at the expense of the governed it's that what you call strategic? Massive projects going on all around which country? Maybe in the West or North, but down South or East. We no See massive projects on going oooooooh So I wonder where Una Dey get Una Facts from |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Loonyy(m): 9:23am On Aug 26 |
helinues:Why should we question the governors now that Tinubu is in power? Governors are used to carrying out white elephant projects without due Need assessment how d project affects the people directly,, This is not News so why empower them the more |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Iwin2: 9:24am On Aug 26 |
U 1vandragon:You are right to a large extent. while BAT and his family cannot be said to be poor, the ostentatious display of wealth by the family especially SEYI & REMI TINUBU when the policy of BAT has brought untold hardship and excruciating pain on the masses throwing more hard-working Nigerian into extreme poverty is a serious concern and lack of sensitivity . Their large entourage is a serious call for concern. WHAT IS TINUBU AND HIS FAMILY SACRIFICES FOR HIS FAMILY POLICY THAT IMPROVERISHED NIGERIANS. A government that grows richer while its citizens grow poorer is not reforming an economy. It is extracting from its people. It is actually the height of hypocrisy to say masses never benefitted from subsidy. Now that subsidy is gone why are many people been pushed into extreme poverty. May be we should give Atiku a consideration concerning returning fuel subsidy. Atiku asked the question millions of Nigerians have been asking: where is the money supposedly saved from subsidy removal? He then promised a new subsidy structure that would privilege locally refined petrol, give qualifying Nigerian refineries crude at preferential prices, impose a fixed annual spending ceiling, trace subsidized crude to actual domestic production and punish diversion. His formulation is that “the subsidy will follow the barrel.” |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Willie2015: 9:25am On Aug 26 |
helinues:This governor line of argument does not add up... BAT control 32 governors out of 36 states... BAT controls the lever that gives allocation to states.. U want citizens that have limited power to come against States...with vast resources Are states and FG not birds of the same feather. ?? |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Loonyy(m): 9:26am On Aug 26 |
Reloadedisraelp:Exactly my point Since Tinubu didn't tackle the "Fantastic Corruption" like you mentioned why remove the Subsidy so as to put hardship on the masses |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Reloadedisraelp: 9:32am On Aug 26 |
Loonyy:... And u think if the subsidy remains n u are buying things at a cheaper price the greater consequence will not surface in ur everyday activities? |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Hangulsaram: 9:47am On Aug 26 |
helinues:Governors and government officials has been rich and gain it personal not that they have impacted citizens. Which and which projects, does this government execute project more than other past government, and don't forget some of these projects was awarded and paid for by past administration's. That fuel subsidy is the only way the Masses are benefiting from Nigerian government, it was removed with a promise of using it to execute capital projects, the capital project we no see. Mind you even with the subsidy being paid all the project that has been done could have because it was included in the budget, so since we are not seeing anything please they should return the subsidy. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Henrymas(m): 9:51am On Aug 26 |
Everytime you will hear this rogue, failed and corrupt president tinubu referring us to our governors to ask about the subsidy money. For crying out loud, was it the governors, that removed the fuel subsidy? Did the failed president tinubu, not rob the mass of the poor and struggling Nigerians of fuel subsidy relief, to pay his fellow thieves the governors, just to entice, attract and solicit their support for his re-election bid and political advantage? The drug addict in aso-rock, continue to ignorantly insist that with his failed reforms, governors are now able to pay salaries. Salaries of just about 3% of the entire population, what about the remaining 97%, who are either in the informal or private sector, who are feeling the brunt of the excruciating and satanic policies of Tinubu. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by 1bunne4lif(m): 9:58am On Aug 26 |
Reloadedisraelp:there's no justification whatsoever to what he said. Leadership is all about accountability, no room for excuses. Tinubu Is only interested in winning reelection not about the welfare of the average Nigerian. Any serious government will prioritize the citizen's welfare not massaging the egos of some greedy politicians |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by 1bunne4lif(m): 10:00am On Aug 26 |
helinues:you know the truth but have chosen to be ignorant. Tinubu is only giving governor's more money just to buy their consciences so as to have an easy ride in the next election. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by femi4: 10:15am On Aug 26 |
TonyeBarcanista:Subsidy removal only put money into the gov pockets While the reverse put money into the masses pocket |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Kaycee9242(m): 10:38am On Aug 26 |
1vandragon:May God bless you immensely for this, am happy we still have Smart and very intelligent people in this forum |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by nairalanda1(m): 10:52am On Aug 26 |
femi4:The reverse would take money that could have created more jobs in the refining sector, more indirect jobs,created more export revenue from improved domestic refining, and use it to pay the masses money, that would be used to buy fuel, which would eventually become imported fuel, because our refineries are now gone thanks to subsidy robbing them of profits...which would in turn lead to debt that would affect...the same masses. Nothing is cheap in this world. You do not have to be an APC supporter, or a supporter of any politican to realize that. |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by 9jatriot(m): 11:06am On Aug 26 |
NO one can find which project? Did the railway he built follow him to the grave? Did the second niger bridge disappear when he left power? What of all the projects that when Tinubu commissions them, you guys quickly turnaround to say they are not Tinubu's project but Buhari's project? FarahAideed: |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by femi4: 11:25am On Aug 26 |
nairalanda1:Even in abroad, there is subsidy. It doesnt stop creation of jobs. Dont let them scam you With subsidy removal, Nigeria is still borrowing, no jobs, no hospital built cos the Govs are cashing out If there is subsidy on cement, you will see how housing will be affordable In the UK, we have subsidy on gas, electricity, hospital bills etc yet jobs are being created and people can afford much more with little they earn |
| Re: The Fuel Subsidy Question by Gboss247(m): 11:38am On Aug 26 |
helinues:One benefits about defending APC is senseless! Petrol subsidy was financed through loans but a citizen suffering and smiling is defending imaginary money saved. Every sane person in Nigeria knows that projects are financed with loans. Governors are now rich according to data boys who don't know that increasing the volume of money destroys the value of money. APC supporters and there senseless are like 5&6! |
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