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GOD if truly Atiku will return subsidy and he is not lying just to be voted then by your mercies let him WIN...Simple

Light777:
GOD if truly Atiku will return subsidy and he is not lying just to be voted then by your mercies let him WIN...Simple

You are asking God to put the country in more debt, and to decimate domestic refining , thus putting lots of nigerians out of work, and forcing the importation of all our fuel, which has to be subsidised, causing more borrowing and more debt.

Rather unjust.

"Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty." James 5 vs 4

Already subsides on electrricity are preventing discos and gencos from making the profit to improve power, and forcing them into debt, and into sacking workers because they cannot make enough money.

We have suffered in this country, because the wages we failed to pay the workers both actual and potential because we wanted cheap fuel are crying and have been crying out against us.

FuglyGurl:
77% of Nigerians want subsidy - Arise Poll

Confirmation of the high level of ignorance, not surprised.

nairalanda1:
The better analogy would be that a poor parent took the savings that he is keeping for tomorrow's rainy day to give his child the kind of life the rich children in his child's school has, and when the money runs out, the parent then borrows to maintain the facade.

The child is happy, everyone thinks he is doing the child well, but the debt is rising., and would soon affect the whole family

And the parent sacrifices NIL in his own part in due course of the saving?

And when the poor children asks for accountability? They release their lapdogs to tag the children as loosers.

GravityDefier:
And the parent sacrifices NIL in his own part in due course of the saving?

And when the poor children asks for accountability? They release their lapdogs to tag the children as loosers.

The parent is spending tomorrow's money to make his child happy

Thanks for missing the point. ALso, it seems you missed where I said he borrows to make the child happy

ALso, not paying a subsidy does not mean you do not hold your government to account.

bigpicture001:
I only do not want subsidy because it will kill dangote's refinery business and all the tens of thousands that work there...

So because of 10s of thousands....hundreds of millions should suffer

nairalanda1:
The parent is spending tomorrow's money to make his child happy

Thanks for missing the point. ALso, it seems you missed where I said he borrows to make the child happy

ALso, not paying a subsidy does not mean you do not hold your government to account.

And the parent sacrifices NIL in his own part in course of the process (saving)?

And when the poor children asks for accountability?

We are entirely on different pages. You read my first two paragraphs above and dodged them.

GravityDefier:
And the parent sacrifices NIL in his own part in course of the process (saving)?

And when the poor children asks for accountability?

We are entirely on different pages. You read my first two paragraphs above and dodged them.

Well, at the end, cost reflective tarrifs.

nairalanda1:
You are asking God to put the country in more debt, and to decimate domestic refining , thus putting lots of nigerians out of work, and forcing the importation of all our fuel, which has to be subsidised, causing more borrowing and more debt.

Rather unjust.

"Look! The wages you failed to pay the workers who mowed your fields are crying out against you. The cries of the harvesters have reached the ears of the Lord Almighty." James 5 vs 4

Already subsides on electrricity are preventing discos and gencos from making the profit to improve power, and forcing them into debt, and into sacking workers because they cannot make enough money.

We have suffered in this country, because the wages we failed to pay the workers both actual and potential because we wanted cheap fuel are crying and have been crying out against us.

Nigeria is not just a group who are less than 1 % of the population. They already have alot they benefit from government which many don't get.Any governor can pay salary even when subsidy was not removed. The just prefered to waste and loot the state money. Go look at how much past abia governors stole from the state as the didn't pay salaries

Removal of subsidy was done in bad faith with intent to harm the people.

It should be restored immediately.

DatNiggaDaz:


Worry about yours, but know that there is no pathway to snatching andTell your faaake certificate hollldderr to organise a free fair election.

Lol. There is no fake certificate. It's all a smoke screen. Stop majoring in the minor and minoring in the major so you don't cry again. I'm giving you the way to victory but you think I'm trolling. It's well.

clarocuzioo:
That's a flawed arguement. Who says FG cannot be buying petrol from Dangote at a subsidized rate?

And where will fg get money to pay the margin discounted ? Pls enlighten us .

A better man would remove subsidy and Nigerians would still feel the positive impact in social amenities, infrastructure and all-round development.

But this jibiti government's handling of it is the sole reason the masses want subsidy back.

The 90-year-old and his cronies need to take a hard look on themselves in the mirror and feel nothing but shame for once in their lives.

He will be gone in February (that I know) but let him not deceive himself : Nigerians are going to probe this subsidy matter again. He must account for every penny of it!


I hate nonsense!

Streetinvestor2:
Nigeria is not just a group who are less than 1 % of the population. They already have alot they benefit from government which many don't get.Any governor can pay salary even when subsidy was not removed. The just prefered to waste and loot the state money. Go look at how much past abia governors stole from the state as the didn't pay salaries

Actually most governors could not pay salaries. It's not a lie and it was a problem that predates this administration..

It's also why some states got into debt, by borrowing

You don't argue a point by making up facts as you go along

benardtotti:
And where will fg get money to pay the margin discounted ? Pls enlighten us .

The excesses the governors are looting, the excesses passed in our budget of criminality, the excesses looted at the FG and local govt level, if well managed and accounted for, is more than enough to pay the discount.
Remind me again how much the former account general looted. Remind me how much mains looted, remind me how much Beta Edu looted just in few months of this administration that Tinubu rewarded her with a campaign role?

PulaPower:
Lol..

What a poll..

Even person wey get 5 Twitter accounts go use all the 5 votes. Make una dey deceive unaself..

abi na I knew it's not easy but we need to face the reality my own take is that subsidy money should be well spent,cost of Governance should reduce & there should be slot of moves to help the masses to reduce hardship

clarocuzioo:
The excesses the governors are looting, the excesses passed in our budget of criminality, the excesses looted at the FG and local govt level, if well managed and accounted for, is more than enough to pay the discount.
Remind me again how much the former account general looted. Remind me how much mains looted, remind me how much Beta Edu looted just in few months of this administration that Tinubu rewarded her with a campaign role?

The excesses where did it come from? Was it not after subsidy was removed they had excess? No governor is owing salary unlike before 2023 thats already an established fact .

because you people heard foreign reserves is now 53 billion dollars you guys think nigeria is rich abi , dont worry if atiiku enters and does what he promised you guys will end up buying bread 1 million naira

Cos this time no foreign institution will borrow Nigeria money to use for subsidy.

Even AI does not agree with Atiku’s plan.

benardtotti:
The excesses where did it come from? Was it not after subsidy was removed they had excess? No governor is owing salary unlike before 2023 thats already an established fact .

because you people heard foreign reserves is now 53 billion dollars you guys think nigeria is rich abi , dont worry if atiiku enters and does what he promised you guys will end up buying bread 1 million naira

Cos this time no foreign institution will borrow Nigeria money to use for subsidy.

Even AI does not agree with Atiku’s plan.

Foreign reserve was $65bn in 2009 and there was subsidy
Bread was even cheaper when we had subsidy than now that we don't
On both counts you don't have a point
No foreign institution ever borrowed Nigeria money for subsidy. That's the lie they fill your head with from APC WhatsApp group. Subsidy especially under Buhari was being paid directly from NNPC accounts. It was called under recovery then. Even Tinubu paid subsidy through same NNPC and called it energy security
AI is not a finance minister. You're thinking at the level of Sowore who wants a drone to be His minister for defence

Kukutente23:
Foreign reserve was $65bn in 2009 and there was subsidy
Bread was even cheaper when we had subsidy than now that we don't
On both counts you don't have a point
No foreign institution ever borrowed Nigeria money for subsidy. That's the lie they fill your head with from APC WhatsApp group. Subsidy especially under Buhari was being paid directly from NNPC accounts. It was called under recovery then. Even Tinubu paid subsidy through same NNPC and called it energy security
AI is not a finance minister. You're thinking at the level of Sowore who wants a drone to be His minister for defence

Thank God the first person who tried to fully remove subsidy was Gej , so what happened to the $65b he inherited? Pls come and tell us ?
Cos you people told us apc destroyed the country , so explain why the good govt under gej wanted to remove subsidy after all they could afford it with 65 billi in the account

benardtotti:
Thank God the first person who tried to fully remove subsidy was Gej , so what happened to the $65b he inherited? Pls come and tell us ?
Cos you people told us apc destroyed the country , so explain why the good govt under gej wanted to remove subsidy after all they could afford it with 65 billi in the account

GEJ left reserves at $38bn
And bread was never 1 million naira under him neither did exchange rate spiral to abysmal levels
APC destroyed this country. They took bread from 150 to 2000 and exchange rate from 220 to 1800 and now hovering at around 1300
It was same APC who resisted subsidy removal under GEJ that are now preaching about the benefits of subsidy removal
It is that hypocrisy they used to destroy the country along with barefaced looting

Kukutente23:
GEJ left reserves at $38bn
And bread was never 1 million naira under him neither did exchange rate spiral to abysmal levels
APC destroyed this country. They took bread from 150 to 2000 and exchange rate from 220 to 1800 and now hovering at around 1300
It was same APC who resisted subsidy removal under GEJ that are now preaching about the benefits of subsidy removal
It is that hypocrisy they used to destroy the country along with barefaced looting

Oga answer the question why did gej want to remove subsidy since according to you he had a war chest full of coins to afford the fake lifestyle for Nigerians, was it apc that attempted to remove same subsidy in 2012 when nigeria was flush with cash ?

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benardtotti:
Oga answer the question why did gej want to remove subsidy since according to you he had a war chest full of coins to afford the fake lifestyle for Nigerians, was it apc that attempted to remove same subsidy in 2012 when nigeria was flush with cash ?

That's GEJ'S problem
The question is why you railed against it then and why you support same thing now

Kukutente23:
That's GEJ'S problem
The question is why you railed against it then and why you support same thing now

Lol unfortunately you showed your lack of sense , it's now suddenly gej problem for wanting to do exact things apc did years later .

Unlike you I know exactly why apc and Tinubu kicked against subsidy removal back then , part of what they asked for was an audit and also for working refinery so nigeria won't be import dependent.

Guess what ?apc delivered the working refinery by backing Dangote and having a stake in the business , they also delivered the PIA act before finally removing subsidy .
See screenshot of point number 3 in Tinubu's letter to gej in 2012 and fact check if it has not been delivered or not under apc .

benardtotti:
Lol unfortunately you showed your lack of sense , it's now suddenly gej problem for wanting to do exact things apc did years later .

Unlike you I know exactly why apc and Tinubu kicked against subsidy removal back then , part of what they asked for was an audit and also for working refinery so nigeria won't be import dependent.

Guess what ?apc delivered the working refinery by backing Dangote and having a stake in the business , they also delivered the PIA act before finally removing subsidy .
See screenshot of point number 3 in Tinubu's letter to gej in 2012 and fact check if it has not been delivered or not under apc .

Are you sure you understand English. Note these points:
1. Tinubu said subsidy was not a problem. He said it was corruption and mismanagement of subsidy that was the problem.
2. He demanded that local refineries be fixed which is obviously an allusion to the govt owned NNPC refineries and not Dangote since his refinery did not exist in 2012
3. Secure domestic fuel supply which is definitely hinged on 2 being achieved
4. Take out the so-called subsidy mafia whom were reputed to be behind the corruption in the subsidy.
You dishonesty claimed that APC achieved a local refinery (never mind the fact it was not the ones Tinubu requested that Jonathan fix) before removing subsidy. That's a lie. As at May 29, 2023 when Tinubu announced removal of subsidy, none of the NNPC refineries was fixed and Dangote refinery was yet to come onstream which made Nigeria import dependent into 2024!
More importantly, he shifted the burden to the public without doing any of those things you listed such as cracking down on the subsidy mafia or ensuring local availability of petrol
So again, answer the question. Why did you guys rail against GEJ when he wanted to remove subsidy only for you guys to do exact same thing when you took office?

benardtotti:
Lol unfortunately you showed your lack of sense , it's now suddenly gej problem for wanting to do exact things apc did years later .

Unlike you I know exactly why apc and Tinubu kicked against subsidy removal back then , part of what they asked for was an audit and also for working refinery so nigeria won't be import dependent.

Guess what ?apc delivered the working refinery by backing Dangote and having a stake in the business , they also delivered the PIA act before finally removing subsidy .
See screenshot of point number 3 in Tinubu's letter to gej in 2012 and fact check if it has not been delivered or not under apc .

The figures tell a clear story. Jonathan’s roughly five years cost about $35–40bn in petrol subsidies, averaging around $7bn a year. Buhari’s eight years cost about $26bn, or $3.25bn annually. Buhari’s headline naira total can look larger, but that is misleading because the naira had depreciated sharply. In dollar terms, Jonathan’s administration spent roughly twice Buhari’s annual rate. Tinubu, over three years in office, has spent $0 on petrol subsidies since their removal, while still incurring other energy-security spending. Not taking anything from any of them, they did their individual bests through the situations.

honesttalk21:
The figures tell a clear story. Jonathan’s roughly five years cost about $35–40bn in petrol subsidies, averaging around $7bn a year. Buhari’s eight years cost about $26bn, or $3.25bn annually. Buhari’s headline naira total can look larger, but that is misleading because the naira had depreciated sharply. In dollar terms, Jonathan’s administration spent roughly twice Buhari’s annual rate. Tinubu, over three years in office, has spent $0 on petrol subsidies since their removal, while still incurring other energy-security spending. Not taking anything from any of them, they did their individual bests through the situations.

Thank you, the other guy was trying to whitewash subsidy without asking where Nigeria will source money to run subsidy properly.