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LordReed:
Yeah I guess it is clear that you are willing to believe without evidence while I am not. There is no evidence of creation, garden of Eden, global flood, tower of Babel, etc. yet you believe no wonder you can believe a breast grew back with no evidence.

That is where we are different. I believe all the stories of the Bible. All of them make sense to me. I believe all the prophecies of the Bible. I believe all the promises of the Bible.

Anyway, since you have been using electronics gadgets, have you seen an electron before? I bet you, no scientist has ever seen one. All the electronics you are holding are wave generators, have you seen any waves before? Do you see the evidence that they exist?

LordReed:
Yeah I guess it is clear that you are willing to believe without evidence while I am not. There is no evidence of creation, garden of Eden, global flood, tower of Babel, etc. yet you believe no wonder you can believe a breast grew back with no evidence.

No normal human should believe when there is no evidence and that is my take from childhood until i started seeing things from another perspective!

If someone keeps making promises and always fulfilling it surely doubting what such a person later promise newly after would make no practical sense when you've seen him fulfilled all his past promises.

The same applies to what the Bible says about God in the past. If the book says this person created all things out of nothing while i have no evidence what about all His promises that has come true in my own eyes?
Such promises that can never ever happen as a coincidence!😟

Well that is why i believe what is written in that book as in all that is written in it!🙂

MightySparrow:
That is where we are different. I believe all the stories of the Bible. All of them make sense to me. I believe all the prophecies of the Bible. I believe all the promises of the Bible.

Anyway, since you have been using electronics gadgets, have you seen an electron before? I bet you, no scientist has ever seen one. All the electronics you are holding are wave generators, have you seen any waves before? Do you see the evidence that they exist?

Yup we have evidence they exist. It is because of that we can build all sorts of devices.

DeepSight:
As per the flood, the preponderance of flood myths across a wide spectrum of peoples all over the world highly suggests some sort of event in the far past which over time became mythologized.

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Near East & Levant

The Epic of Gilgamesh (Mesopotamian): Enlil decides to destroy humanity with a deluge because humans are too noisy. The god Ea warns Utnapishtim, who builds a massive cube-like vessel to preserve animals and his family.

Atrahasis & Eridu Genesis (Sumerian/Babylonian): Earlier Mesopotamian precursors to Gilgamesh featuring the hero Ziusudra (or Atrahasis), who survives a seven-day flood sent by the gods.

Genesis Flood / Noah's Ark (Abrahamic): God sends a 40-day flood to cleanse human wickedness. Noah builds an ark, takes pairs of animals, and lands on Mount Ararat.

Europe & Greco-Roman

Deucalion and Pyrrha (Greek): Zeus releases a deluge to wipe out the corrupt Bronze Generation. Deucalion and his wife Pyrrha survive in a chest, landing on Mount Parnassus. They repopulate the Earth by throwing stones over their shoulders.

Bergelmir (Norse): When Odin and his brothers slay the primeval giant Ymir, Ymir's blood creates a flood that drowns all frost giants except Bergelmir, who escapes on a hollowed-out tree trunk.

Asia

Matsya Avatar (Hindu): Lord Vishnu transforms into a giant horned fish (Matsya) to guide King Manu's boat across catastrophic waters, preserving the sacred Vedas and essential plant and animal species.

Gun-Yu & The Great Flood (Chinese): Unlike destruction-focused myths, China's legend focuses on civil engineering. Emperor Yu the Great works for decades to build canals and dikes, successfully taming the yellow river's overflow.

The Americas

Unktehi Flood (Lakota / Native American): The water monster Unktehi floods the plains to destroy early humans. Unktehi's blood spills out, hardening into red pipestone, and a lone woman saved by an eagle restarts humanity.

Five Suns / Fourth Sun (Aztec): The fourth world, Nahui Atl (Four Water), ends when the goddess Chalchiuhtlicue unleashes torrential rains that turn humans into fish. A couple named Tata and Nene survive inside a hollowed tree trunk.

Viracocha’s Unu Pachakuti (Inca): The creator god Viracocha sends a deluge (Unu Pachakuti) to destroy a race of giants he created around Lake Titicaca, later fashioning new humans out of clay.

Oceania & Africa

Nuu (Hawaiian): Nuu constructs a vessel (waʻa) with a house on top to escape a world-ending ocean surge sent by the gods, landing atop Mauna Kea.

Kwayiva / Yoruba & Mande traditions (West African): Several regional traditions describe ancestral floods sent by ocean or sky deities (such as Olokun or supreme creator spirits) to reset human misbehaviour, forcing communities to seek refuge on mountain tops.

Bro the only thing that they have in common is a water body that can flood. That is not evidence of a GLOBAL flood.

LordReed:
Bro the only thing that they have in common is a water body that can flood. That is not evidence of a GLOBAL flood.

Well, it just seems pretty ubiquituous. Many myths have some forgotten small element of truth to them.

In addittion, fossilized sea shells and marine organisms have been discovered near the summits of major mountain ranges worldwide, including Mount Everest, the Andes, and the Alps - these are mountain ranges as far apart as Asia, Europe and Latin America. Although I am aware of alternative arguments explaining this, but just saying . . . all things considered I personally would not write off the likelihood of some forgotten cataclysm of that nature.

LordReed -

PS: Even if there was no global flood, there could have been regional floods at different places at different times. To my mind, it doesnt change much about the narrative or essential elements of the myths.

Is there evidence of regional floods? Yes.

DeepSight:
LordReed -

PS: Even if there was no global flood, there could have been regional floods at different places at different times. To my mind, it doesnt change much about the narrative or essential elements of the myths.

Is there evidence of regional floods? Yes.

Yes I agree. IRC there is speculation that a Black Sea flood is responsible for the flood myths from the middeeast which is why Mount Ararat is mentioned in the story.

DeepSight:
Well, it just seems pretty ubiquituous. Many myths have some forgotten small element of truth to them.

In addittion, fossilized sea shells and marine organisms have been discovered near the summits of major mountain ranges worldwide, including Mount Everest, the Andes, and the Alps - these are mountain ranges as far apart as Asia, Europe and Latin America. Although I am aware of alternative arguments explaining this, but just saying . . . all things considered I personally would not write off the likelihood of some forgotten cataclysm of that nature.

If you check you'll see the fossils are OLDER than the formation of the mountains, which indicates the mountains were raised from sea beds.

LordReed:
If you check you'll see the fossils are OLDER than the formation of the mountains, which indicates the mountains were raised from sea beds.

As I hinted, I am aware of this explanation (I said I am aware of alternative explanations).
All the same. . . .

LordReed:
Yes I agree. IRC there is speculation that a Black Sea flood is responsible for the flood myths from the middeeast which is why Mount Ararat is mentioned in the story.

Thats enough to put the matter to bed. The writer of Genesis could not have known how far the floods extended or the extent of the Earth.

DeepSight:
Thats enough to put the matter to bed. The writer of Genesis could not have known how far the floods extended or the extent of the Earth.

For someone of that time period it sure would have seemed like the whole world.

MightySparrow:
I had an opthalmologist, a processor in University Teaching Hospital n the prestigious University of Ibadan. He carried out comprehensive test for me.

I don't bother visiting him anymore since I have sharp eyesight.

You get time sha, even if you tell some persons that water is colourless, they'll still argue that it is colour white.

Learn to not respond to everyone, some minds are already made, you won't be able to change them. Sometimes, just leave people with their opinion, you know why? It does not always hold water. If everyone learns the easy way, who is going to learn the hard way?

merrymike47:
You get time sha, even if you tell some persons that water is colourless, they'll still argue that it is colour white.

Learn to not respond to everyone, some minds are already made, you won't be able to change them. Sometimes, just leave people with their opinion, you know why? It does not always hold water. If everyone learns the easy way, who is going to learn the hard way?

Thanks my brother. It is my fault. Bless you Sir

LordReed:
Yup we have evidence they exist. It is because of that we can build all sorts of devices.

Okay, validated by people and the testimony of the same people is not acceptable for miracles.

LordReed:
Yup we have evidence they exist. It is because of that we can build all sorts of devices.

Okay, validated by people and the testimony of the same people is not acceptable for miracles.

MightySparrow:
Okay, validated by people and the testimony of the same people is not acceptable for miracles.

For a claim of that magnitude? No. Do you believe in the claims of supernatural events of other religions? No you don't. Unlike you, I apply that standard to all not just my favourite religion.

LordReed:
For a claim of that magnitude? No. Do you believe in the claims of supernatural events of other religions? No you don't. Unlike you, I apply that standard to all not just my favourite religion.

This is what makes you guys wiser than Churchians!

Of course i believe that supernatural events do happen before and after the Bible got to Africa so i am not driven by supernatural events.

The one and only SIGN Jesus said i will see to identify true worshipers in the end time is LOVE among themselves. John 13:34-35

This means when all others are initiated to become killers of their own neighbors as well as fellow worshipers in other countries {Revelation 6:3-4} true worshipers will love God with all our hearts and in extension love for all our neighbors. Mark 12:29-31

That is the evidence no religion could have unless the one and only true religion because GOD whose name is LOVE dwells among us! 1John 4:8🙂