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vikstandon:
I don't understand the full purposes and plan of God.

So the bible does not tell us the Purpose or plan on why God created humans?

Truthseeker10:
So the bible does not tell us the Purpose or plan on why God created humans?

False religion has really blurred people's eyes o {2Corinthians 4:4} how can someone claim he doesn't know the WILL of his heavenly father for mankind yet he claims to have known the father?😟

Truthseeker10:
What about a the prayers that people are praying for Nigeria? Why has God not answered it?

It will shock you. You see, one thing you should know is that God is not moved by emotions. Even if every one in Nigeria burns it won't move God until at least one person arise and do the right thing. God works base on principles not emotions. You are the only one who have not read about the Pa Elton prophecy? Is it not even very clearer now? But wether prophecy or not; someone must arise to challenge the situation before God can do something. Don't you know that faith or prayer without work is dead. We pray in Nigeria but no corresponding works or action follows. Do you know how much work of enchantment and divination it took the APC to take over Nigeria? When the man comes out and shout "Emilokan", what do you think he is doing? He is summoning the lot that has cast everyday for 8 years of Buhari's reign. That slogan Emilokan is not just a slogan, it's an enchantment, a bewitchment. Whenever he shouts it the people are hypnotized especially the more vulnerable. So someone that is not meant to even be a factor at all become the subject and the object together.

Did you not read? Israelites suffered and stayed in bondage for 430 years before they finally got liberation. How many years have Nigeria stayed in her own before we begin to say God have not answered us? God have answered Nigeria long ago; but he wants the sins of the Amorites to be complete first, then he will be guiltless in judging their gods. God is not man my brother.

Holy2Glory:
It will shock you. You see, one thing you should know is that God is not moved by emotions. Even if every one in Nigeria burns it won't move God until at least one person arise and do the right thing. God works base on principles not emotions. You are the only one who have not read about the Pa Elton prophecy? Is it not even very clearer now? But wether prophecy or not; someone must arise to challenge the situation before God can do something. Don't you know that faith or prayer without work is dead. We pray in Nigeria but no corresponding works or action follows. Do you know how much work of enchantment and divination it took the APC to take over Nigeria? When the man comes out and shout "Emilokan", what do you think he is doing? He is summoning the lot that has cast everyday for 8 years of Buhari's reign. That slogan Emilokan is not just a slogan, it's an enchantment, a bewitchment. Whenever he shouts it the people are hypnotized especially the more vulnerable. So someone that is not meant to even be a factor at all become the subject and the object together.

Did you not read? Israelites suffered and stayed in bondage for 430 years before they finally got liberation. How many years have Nigeria stayed in her own before we begin to say God have not answered us? God have answered Nigeria long ago; but he wants the sins of the Amorites to be complete first, then he will be guiltless in judging their gods. God is not man my brother.

You seem to be confusing me. Do you mean that out of 230 million people in Nigeria including religious leaders, not one person has stood up to do the right thing according to you?

Truthseeker10:
You seem to be confusing me. Do you mean that out of 230 million people in Nigeria including religious leaders, not one person has stood up to do the right thing according to you?

Our power is not in our number or our titles, our power is in our spiritual rankings. If you like call yourself an Apostle or a church this or church that; you may even call yourself a lawyer, activist or a SAN, it's not in the title or our number, it's in our spiritual ranking. In that realm one person can easily defeat even a thousand. And the reality of our experiences here on the earth is determined by that realm.

Don't also forget because I said alot of things. I also said that Nigeria have been answered long ago. But the sins of the Amorites is yet to be complete. Until then Satan may still have the legal time frame to dominate. Did you not hear what that man who was tormented with the Legion spirit told Jesus? He said: have you come to torment us before the time? Even Satan knows the time he has and when he must leave. If you noticed, Jesus did not torment the unclean spirits but he did what they pleaded for to be sent in to the group of herds that were around.

Holy2Glory:
Our power is not in our number or our titles, our power is in our spiritual rankings. If you like call yourself an Apostle or a church this or church that; you may even call yourself a lawyer, activist or a SAN, it's not in the title or our number, it's in our spiritual ranking. In that realm one person can easily defeat even a thousand. And the reality of our experiences here on the earth is determined by that realm.

Don't also forget because I said alot of things. I also said that Nigeria have been answered long ago. But the sins of the Amorites is yet to be complete. Until then Satan may still have the legal time frame to dominate. Did you not hear what that man who was tormented with the Legion spirit told Jesus? He said: have you come to torment us before the time? Even Satan knows the time he has and when he must leave. If you noticed, Jesus did not torment the unclean spirits but he did what they pleaded for to be sent in to the group of herds that were around.

What exactly is this sin of amorite in Nigeria because you are confusing things now. You claimed a person has not stood up to do the right thing. Now again you are talking about the sin of the amorite. Which one is exactly the problem of Nigeria?

Truthseeker10:
What exactly is this sin of amorite in Nigeria because you are confusing things now. You claimed a person has not stood up to do the right thing. Now again you are talking about the sin of the amorite. Which one is exactly the problem of Nigeria?

Do you not really know that Nigeria itself is complex? Are you so surprised if you are also getting a complex answer as this?
Now what I am trying to let you know is that the prayer of Nigerians so far is not completely in vain. You were here in this country when all of a sudden Trump sent his boys and destroyed so many terrorist at a time. You think it's just a coincidence? These are accumulated prayers of Nigerians making somewhat strength available in to productivity. One of the biggest undoing of Nigerians I'd consistency and dividedness.

Yes because of our lack of unity we have not been consistent in rising up to the challenge. We start betraying one another or even fighting ourselves immediately we are offered a little money or a little position. So as it stands now, God is patient like he did in Egypt, waited for 430 years until the days of the Amorite are fulfilled. Prayer could have averted the prolonged waiting if e are United and consistent.

Holy2Glory:
Do you not really know that Nigeria itself is complex? Are you so surprised if you are also getting a complex answer as this?
Now what I am trying to let you know is that the prayer of Nigerians so far is not completely in vain. You were here in this country when all of a sudden Trump sent his boys and destroyed so many terrorist at a time. You think it's just a coincidence? These are accumulated prayers of Nigerians making somewhat strength available in to productivity. One of the biggest undoing of Nigerians I'd consistency and dividedness.

Yes because of our lack of unity we have not been consistent in rising up to the challenge. We start betraying one another or even fighting ourselves immediately we are offered a little money or a little position. So as it stands now, God is patient like he did in Egypt, waited for 430 years until the days of the Amorite are fulfilled. Prayer could have averted the prolonged waiting if e are United and consistent.

Lol you are a funny man. You claimed earlier that Nigeria is the way it is because someone has not stood up to do the right thing. like what Tinubu did. Now you are changing mouth and blaming the whole citizenry of division and claiming it is the sin of the amorite. So what year will all Nigerians unite?

Truthseeker10:
Lol you are a funny man. You claimed earlier that Nigeria is the way it is because someone has not stood up to do the right thing. like what Tinubu did. Now you are changing mouth and blaming the whole citizenry of division and claiming it is the sin of the amorite. So what year will all Nigerians unite?

My friend, do you not have a smart understanding? I have taken my time to teach you both mysteries, Spiritual, and physical knowledge. How else do you want to be taught, like a baby? What you learnt from me cost some people a year with heavy payment to acquire. You do not know who is speaking with you at all. I will still help you some what more if you are able to understand. Before God judges or punishes a person, or punishes a people he will first warn them, give them chances to repent, some times in more than one or two occasions he extends the mercy period according to his predetermined counsel. During these periods no matter what the person does God will still be enduring hoping that he or she will change or repent. Most times God even go as far as sending you preachers consecutively. If after the allocated time is elapsed and the person do not repent, naturally the wrath of God will be spelt out or set in motion so that the person will pay dearly for what he or she has done. Most persons end up in unnatural death. So when I say that the sins of the Amorites are not yet complete you should understand. The Amorites in this context is not a particularly person or people, it is anyone that fits in to this description. I mean anyone who is doing wickedly.

Holy2Glory:
My friend, do you not have a smart understanding? I have taken my time to teach you both mysteries, Spiritual, and physical knowledge. How else do you want to be taught, like a baby? What you learnt from me cost some people a year with heavy payment to acquire. You do not know who is speaking with you at all. I will still help you some what more if you are able to understand. Before God judges or punishes a person, or punishes a people he will first warn them, give them chances to repent, some times in more than one or two occasions he extends the mercy period according to his predetermined counsel. During these periods no matter what the person does God will still be enduring hoping that he or she will change or repent. Most times God even go as far as sending you preachers consecutively. If after the allocated time is elapsed and the person do not repent, naturally the wrath of God will be spelt out or set in motion so that the person will pay dearly for what he or she has done. Most persons end up in unnatural death. So when I say that the sins of the Amorites are not yet complete you should understand. The Amorites in this context is not a particularly person or people, it is anyone that fits in to this description. I mean anyone who is doing wickedly.

Lol...this is still a vague information. Who is the Nigerian that fits this description of this your "Amorite" terminology?

Truthseeker10:
So the bible does not tell us the Purpose or plan on why God created humans?

That's not the question. God's purpose for everyone of us is unique. I can't lay claim on knowing yours.

His purpose for my life is never all his purposes and plans.

Drsnives:
➜Yes oo.. King Hezekiah's story comes to mind

Hezekiah was an Israelite, and the God in question was the God of Israel. 😒

mamaafrik:
What of king Hezekiah prophecy

Hezekiah was an Israelite, and the God in question is known as the God of Israel. 😒😒

Authoreety:
➜What you don't know is bigger than you

He is right to ask for specifics as far as the God in question, as there are numerous deities out there... at least 4000 of them to be specific. 😒

kutashi:
That's a dumb question! Do you know what GOD has decided before? Nobody knows GOD' s decision and that is why you work on it and pray!

Which God? Where do you get these notions of this God from so we can investigate this claim you make here about it? 😒😒

lordm:
➜ That they were meant to die in such way? We have been praying against bad government and terrorism. How far?

Have you been directing your prayers to the Gods of Nigeria or to foreign Gods? 😖😖😖

vikstandon:
That's not the question. God's purpose for everyone of us is unique. I can't lay claim on knowing yours.

His purpose for my life is never all his purposes and plans.

So people dying of cancer is God's purpose for their lives?

Truthseeker10:
Lol...this is still a vague information. Who is the Nigerian that fits this description of this your "Amorite" terminology?

Go and sleep; you use subtlety in acquiring knowledge. Are you a man or a serpent? I have seen Nigeria happen to people like you who can not come out boldly with the truth, but I spare you. Let it not be your portion. Go now, take some time and go through all I have taught you lately; for thou art now my son. If you do this you will be wise.

Holy2Glory:
Go and sleep; you use subtlety in acquiring knowledge. Are you a man or a serpent? I have seen Nigeria happen to people like you who can not come out boldly with the truth, but I spare you. Let it not be your portion. Go now, take some time and go through all I have taught you lately; for thou art now my son. If you do this you will be wise.

You need the sleep more to sound coherent. Your information on why Prayer has not made Nigeria better makes no sense until now. You should spare yourself.

Kobojunkie:
Hezekiah was an Israelite, and the God in question was the God of Israel. 😒

We are Israelites by covenant..

Drsnives:
➜We are Israelites by covenant..

Show us the exact line in the books where you have the God of Israel or Jesus Christ of Israel Himself making you Israelites by this Covenant you speak of? 😒😒

Moses never preached a word to foreigners regarding the covenant he delivered to the israelites; neither did Jesus Christ of Israel preach a single word of His covenant to the Romans or other foreigners of his time. So what covenant made you this Israelite?😒

Kobojunkie:
Show us the exact line in the books where you have the God of Israel or Jesus Christ of Israel Himself making you Israelites by this Covenant you speak of? 😒😒

Moses never preached a word to foreigners regarding the covenant he delivered to the israelites; neither did Jesus Christ of Israel preach a single word of His covenant to the Romans or other foreigners of his time. So what covenant made you this Israelite?😒

Acts 2:39

Drsnives:
Acts 2:39

Let's go with that then. So, where is it written that Non-Israelites are called by the God of Israel to Himself?

38 Peter said to them, “Change your hearts and lives and be baptized, each one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ. Then God will forgive your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
39 This promise is for you. It is also for your children and for the people who are far away. It is for everyone the Lord our God calls to himself.” - Acts 2: 38-39

Kobojunkie:
Let's go with that then. So, where is it written that Non-Israelites are called by the God of Israel to Himself?

You don't read the Bible as if you are going thru a novel.
You can also read Galatians 3: 29

Believers become part of Abraham's family through faith in Jesus Christ, not through physical ancestry.

Drsnives:
➜ You don't read the Bible as if you are going thru a novel.
➜ You can also read Galatians 3: 29 Believers become part of Abraham's family through faith in Jesus Christ, not through physical ancestry.

So, neither of the two covenants -- given by the two Israelite Law givers-- contains any mention of drafting non-Israelites as part of Israel? 😒😒

2. So, Moses and then Jesus Christ of Israel-- the two Lawgivers of Israel -- both completely forgot to add or mention this supposed drafting of Non-Israelites while they were giving out and then closing out the details of the very Covenants you speak of before their deaths? And Jesus Christ of Israel also forgot to mention any of this even during the many days he spent with His disciples after his resurrection, before his ascension? 😒😒

Truthseeker10:
You need the sleep more to sound coherent. Your information on why Prayer has not made Nigeria better makes no sense until now. You should spare yourself.

Coherent my foot!
If a man does not get these little admonishments I wonder how he went through the higher institution. But I understand it's the spirituality therein that is the main challenge. It's hard to take down Spiritual things for the very carnal mind? Look at the first question he asked me; does it mean the 230 million Nigerians and religious leaders praying are.....? Very very funny, as though God is moved by multitude or number. As though prayer is to be more powerful when we are many. If one billion ignorant men like you prays from now till a thousand years I assure you nothing will change. Even if you cough out blood while praying with this kind of mentality you go no where. Hearken, It's not in the number ok? You are very ignorant, take some nap now or you can still cry let's hear you.

Kobojunkie:
So, neither of the two covenants -- given by the two Israelite Law givers-- contains any mention of drafting non-Israelites as part of Israel? 😒😒

2. So, Moses and then Jesus Christ of Israel-- the two Lawgivers of Israel -- both completely forgot to add or mention this supposed drafting of Non-Israelites while they were giving out and then closing out the details of the very Covenants you speak of before their deaths? And Jesus Christ of Israel also forgot to mention any of this even during the many days he spent with His disciples after his resurrection, before his ascension? 😒😒

Ok let me digress a little
The Bible was written by the inspiration of God right?
If Paul who wrote that epistle was directed by that same spirit of God. Remember we have God the father, the son and the Holy spirit.
So my dear friend Jesus spoke those words through Paul.

Drsnives:
➜ Ok let me digress a little The Bible was written by the inspiration of God right? If Paul who wrote that epistle was directed by that same spirit of God.
➜ Remember we have God the father, the son and the Holy spirit. So my dear friend Jesus spoke those words through Paul.

This is unneeded deflecting here. What you are offering me here is circular reasoning, requiring I accept the conclusion to accept the premise. Instead of providing independent reason to back your claim --- actual evidence or proof in the particular Covenant, aka Law, where what you claim is stated --- you pivot to using the words of Paul as reason to back a claim made by the same Paul. Make that make sense, abeg! 😒

2. If indeed what you claim is true, then you should be able to show where in the Covenant, which is the Word of God where what you claim is stated. Why would God go against God's own Covenant to add/remove/change that which has already been declared?😒

Your original position is that via some sort of covenant, you, a non-Israelite, were transformed into an Israelite. We must find exactly where the God in question made this possible via his covenant, is it not? 😒

Kobojunkie:
This is unneeded deflecting here. What you are offering me here is circular reasoning, requiring I accept the conclusion to accept the premise. Instead of providing independent reason to back your claim --- actual evidence or proof in the particular Covenant, aka Law, where what you claim is stated --- you pivot to using the words of Paul as reason to back a claim made by the same Paul. Make that make sense, abeg! 😒

2. If indeed what you claim is true, then you should be able to show where in the Covenant, which is the Word of God where what you claim is stated. Why would God go against God's own Covenant to add/remove/change that which has already been declared?😒

Your original position is that via some sort of covenant, you, a non-Israelite, were transformed into an Israelite. We must find exactly where the God in question made this possible via his covenant, is it not? 😒

Maybe you misunderstood my point
I never meant we non Israelites are automatically transformed to Israelites, no, but through the blood of Christ we non Israelites are incorporated into Israelites blessings, inheritance and all the premises that were initially apportioned to only Israelites.
That why we can sing " Abraham's blessings are mine..
Deut 29 : 10-13

Drsnives:
➜Maybe you misunderstood my point
➜ I never meant we non Israelites are automatically transformed to Israelites, no, but through the blood of Christ we non Israelites are incorporated into Israelites blessings, inheritance and all the premises that were initially apportioned to only Israelites.
➜ That why we can sing " Abraham's blessings are mine..
➜ Deut 29 : 10-13

1. You are attempting to make a point using circular reasoning, a logical fallacy. You can't do that. 😒

2. I knew what you meant from the get-go, and that is why I have continued to ask that you back up that very claim by way of the Covenant that is Jesus Christ of Israel, or the Covenant that is Israel, which was delivered via Moses. 😒😒

3. What does it matter whether there are songs about these things if they are not backed by literal entries in the very covenants that are claimed? 😒😒

1 The Lord made an agreement with the Israelites at Mount Horeb. In addition to that agreement, he also commanded Moses to make another agreement with them while they were in Moab. This is that agreement.
2 Moses called together all the Israelites. He said to them, “You saw everything the Lord did in the land of Egypt. You saw what he did to Pharaoh, to Pharaoh’s officers, and to his whole country.
3 You saw the great troubles he gave them. You saw the miracles and amazing things he did.
4 But even today, you still don’t understand what happened. The Lord has not let you really understand what you saw and heard.
5 He led you through the desert for 40 years, and in all that time, your clothes and sandals did not wear out.
6 You did not have any food with you. You did not have any wine or anything else to drink. But he took care of you so that you would understand that he is the Lord your God.
7 “You came to this place, and King Sihon of Heshbon and King Og of Bashan came out to fight against us. But we defeated them. 8 Then we took their land and gave it to the people in the tribes of Reuben and Gad and to half the tribe of Manasseh.
9 If you obey all the commands in this agreement, you will continue to succeed in everything you do.
10 “Today all of you are standing here before the Lord your God. Your leaders, your officials, your elders, and all the other men are here.
11 Your wives and children are here and also the foreigners living among you—the people who cut your wood and bring you water.
12 You are all here to enter into an agreement with the Lord your God. The Lord your God is making this agreement with you today.
13 With this agreement he is making you his own special people, and he himself will become your God. He told you this. He promised this to your ancestors—Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. - Deuteronomy 29 vs 1 - 10

Notice that throughout this entire context, the you/your/we is indicated as a direct reference to all of the Israelites who were called together by Moses for the Lord of Israel to speak to them. The one mention of the foreigners is to indicate them as either spouses or slaves among the Israelites(the you/your/we) who are regarded as the Lord's special people --- the descendants of Abraham and Isaac and Jacob --- with whom the agreement is made. 😒

My question, again, to you, is: where is it stated in either the constitution of the ancient nation of Israel --- the Law of Moses --- or the constitution of the Kingdom of God -- the covenant or Law of Jesus Christ -- that non-Israelites are to share equally with the Israelites in Abraham's blessing or covenant? 😒

Holy2Glory:
Coherent my foot!
If a man does not get these little admonishments I wonder how he went through the higher institution. But I understand it's the spirituality therein that is the main challenge. It's hard to take down Spiritual things for the very carnal mind? Look at the first question he asked me; does it mean the 230 million Nigerians and religious leaders praying are.....? Very very funny, as though God is moved by multitude or number. As though prayer is to be more powerful when we are many. If one billion ignorant men like you prays from now till a thousand years I assure you nothing will change. Even if you cough out blood while praying with this kind of mentality you go no where. Hearken, It's not in the number ok? You are very ignorant, take some nap now or you can still cry let's hear you.

Ok so if it's not in the number, are you saying that you not prayed for Nigeria to be problem free before? Why is there so many problems here? Why has God not answered your prayers?