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LordReed:
That sounds kinda of fair to state but the problem is it hints at an external agency which is unevidenced.

emapeteum:
I think you are the ignorant one here.Would Jesus have used an unknown seed as the smallest seed to the people who are not familiar with it to illustrate his analogy?Maybe you are smarter than Newton and other founding fathers of modern science who were mainly Church fathers.

oloriooko:
The Mustard Seed Comparison

The Size: Mustard seeds measure about 1 to 2 millimeters wide, which is much larger than an orchid seed. [1] (https://www.facebook.com/punchnewspaper/videos/is-the-mustard-seed-the-smallest-seed-in-the-world-60-secs-myth-busting/799337624060522/), [2] (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-AsBXZtrNc)

The Context: People often discuss seed size because of biblical parables where Jesus calls the mustard seed the "smallest of all seeds". [1] (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-AsBXZtrNc), [2] (https://www.facebook.com/punchnewspaper/videos/is-the-mustard-seed-the-smallest-seed-in-the-world-60-secs-myth-busting/799337624060522/)

The Reason: Most users on Quora agree that the comparison was meant as an everyday local farming metaphor for a small seed a farmer would actually plant, rather than a strict technical lesson in global botany. [1] (https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Jesus-think-that-mustard-seeds-are-the-smallest-seeds-in-the-world-Mark-4-31-when-the-smallest-is-the-seed-that-of-the-orchids), [2] (https://christiananswers.net/q-aiia/mustardseed.html), [3] (https://www.quora.com/The-Bible-says-the-mustard-seed-is-the-smallest-seed-Is-this-true-Can-we-trust-the-Bible)



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MaxInDHouse:
So if Jesus had mentioned a seed that's not known to his listeners how would they grasp the message without asking further questions regarding the smallest seed?
And how would you have handled Pharisees who were present to discredit Jesus' teachings if you were Jesus?
Most people don't put themselves in the position of a teacher before condemning his use of terms.
To those listening that day the mustard seed is the tiniest of all that produces gigantic trees!🙂

AntiChristian:
All these rigmarole just to paint the falsehood as truth!
Jesus's father was a carpenter so i won't expect him to know much about seeds.

But he could have known a few things about seeds since he was with the disciples eating grains from a field in Matthew 12:1. And Also he cursed the fig tree when he saw no fig on it. But he was unaware that the mustard see though small is still not the smallest seed in the world but maybe the smallest he has seen around. But he hasn't seen the world!

Krismas:
The only way to produce a LIGER is to mate a Lion with a Tiger. Liger is not Lion nor tiger. Similarly Human is not man nor Hu. He is the cross btw both. Evidence s available are sufficient enough, if those concerned could only draw fresh conclusions from the weight of data accumulated over the years on the subject

AntiChristian:
Didn't Jesus mentioned many things that his listeners never knew before? How did they grasp the message?

AntiChristian:
The scientist is ignorant o!

Despite all the scientific blunders!

One is Jesus calling the mustard seed the smallest seed of all seeds!

Lamba!

Kukutente23:
How is it lamba
A mustard seed is the smallest seed you can hold in your hands and see physically
Jesus was invoking the imagery to demonstrate the power of faith not making a scientific claim.

MaxInDHouse:
Please quote where Jesus mentioned what his listeners never knew!

AntiChristian:
Almost all Jesus's Parables were unknown/not understood by the listeners. He had to explain them to the disciples in close doors.
Why are you playing coy to this fact?

AntiChristian:
Stop capping na!

It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds sown upon the earth. Mark 4:31

Don't be a liar. Admit the error in bold above!

MaxInDHouse:
Have you heard of Proverbs before?
Do you think a child doesn't know the words used in Proverbs or it's the meaning they don't understand?
Jesus used illustrations when teaching a crowd but the things he mentioned in his words are known to all his listeners it's the meaning they can't know unless he explained to them but as for each subject he uses in the illustration they all know.
So now mention an illustration Jesus used and the word in such illustration that even a child in Israel doesn't know!🥱

Kukutente23:
So if I say there's nothing as sweet as honey in life is that a factual statement or a figurative statement?
Jesus was talking to the people of Israel in that verse and to them, the smallest seed sown by their farmers is the mustard seed.
If he had mentioned orchid wouldn't they have asked him what he's talking about?
Jesus was not making a scientific statement but a metaphorical statement to paint the imagery that his audience can relate to. Most of us do this in our daily interactions with our fellow humans

AntiChristian:
What does bread of life mean in John 6:22-59

AntiChristian:
This is a poor comparison from you.

You will be a liar if you had said Sugar ( i.e table Sugar - Sucrose) is the sweetest substance on earth!
We know there are many substances sweeter than table sugar like Sucralose, Thaumatin and the synthetic Glycylphenylalanylglycine.

Jesus truly made a mistake saying "It is like a mustard seed, which is the smallest of all seeds sown upon the earth." Mark 4:31

MaxInDHouse:
Which between the two can you say a child of five doesn't understand, Bread or Life?
This where you prove that you are just deceiving yourself!🙂

AntiChristian:
I have a 5 year old almost 6. He would never understand what "bread of life" may mean

Kukutente23:
So I wouldn't be a liar if I say there's nothing as sweet as honey right?

Did you read this part in the Bible passage or your thinking couldn't grasp the import of the verses before and after 31

30Then He said, “To what shall we liken the kingdom of God? Or with what parable shall we picture it? 31It is like a mustard seed which, when it is sown on the ground, is smaller than all the seeds on earth; 32but when it is sown, it grows up and becomes greater than all herbs, and shoots out large branches, so that the birds of the air may nest under its shade.”
33And with many such parables He spoke the word to them as they were able to hear it. 34But without a parable He did not speak to them. And when they were alone, He explained all things to His disciples.

Can you also tell me if Yorubas are lying or speaking the truth in this proverb: The cow that has no tail, it's God that helps him to chase away flies. Are Yorubas lying that God helps cows that have no tails to chase flies or they are speaking a statement of fact?

MaxInDHouse:
My guy this is not about blind arguments.

Remember what we discussing is a seed that's not known to Jews in Jesus' day but people in other places where this seed could be found knew it.
Is there anyone anywhere on this planet who can tell you the meaning of the bread of life apart from Jesus who merged the two words together?🙂

AntiChristian:
Stop comparing apples to mangoes! "As sweet as honey" is a common idiom. Honey contains Fructose and Glucose that makes it sweet. Jesus didn't say "As small as a Mustard seed". Jesus claimed mustard seed is smallest of all seeds sown upon the earth.

That is false.

And as for the Yoruba proverb, it teaches that when a person is weak, vulnerable, or lacking the means to fight their own battles, God steps in to protect and provide for them. That's unrelevant to the simple simile we are discussing here.


As sweet as Sugar or honey.........correct!

As Small as a mustard seed..........correct!

Sugar is the sweetest substance on earth..........wrong!

Mustard seed is the smallest seed on earth........wrong!

AntiChristian:
The same seed is not known to us. People can learn about what they don't know. Jesus was a teacher so why couldn't he teach them but instead proclaimed a falsehood in his teachings?

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus is not teaching botany so the illustration fits in perfectly for his audience.
If he is teaching botany then we will say he doesn't know what he's saying but on this note he drove the message home and his audience knew that of all seeds known to them the one Jesus mentioned is the tiniest!🙂

Kukutente23:
I'm not asking you for the interpretation. We all know the interpretation of the idioms. Idioms are just like parables. They are figurative expressions used to pass messages or emphasise a point using imagery that your audience can easily relate to.
So answer Yes or No. Is it God that truly helps cows that have no tails to chase flies or the Yorubas lied?

AntiChristian:
This is unrelated. God helps the indigent and the helpless. That's faith!

AntiChristian:
Yeah he is not teaching botany but he can't teach the truth with a lie. Is Mustard seed the smallest seed on earth? No. It is false!

MaxInDHouse:
My guy this is not about blind arguments.

MaxInDHouse:
To the Jews listening to Jesus that's the smallest seed in the whole wide world!🙂

Kukutente23:
So saying the kingdom of God is like a mustard seed which being the smallest tree on earth produces the biggest tree for all birds to nest on is not faith?

Stop disgracing your education this boy

Idioms or parables are not factual statements

Yorubas also says no one can lick honey and frown their faces. So what of those who are allergic to honey? The Yorubas have lied again according to you right?

The French say when you speak of the wolf its tail appears. But we all know that's not possible for the tail of a wolf to appear just because you mention the word "wolf". By your metric the French are liars right?

AntiChristian:
The kingdom of God is like the mustard seed which is one of the smallest of seeds.

What you wrote is all correct.

What is wrong is calling the mustard seed the smallest seed in the world.

Your idiom is okay without the falsehood of calling the mustard the smallest seed in the world.

Kukutente23:
Is the French idiom also okay with the falsehood of claiming a wolf's tail appears anytime a wolf its mentioned

Are the Yoruba idioms that God drives flies for tailless cows and that no one tastes honey and frowns also okay

I hope you're aware there are two statements in that parable that are not factually true. The first is the one you're stuck on. The second is the mustard tree. The mustard tree is not the biggest tree in Israel. Yet Jesus called it so in that passage and the Jews had no problem with him. Why do you think that is so