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Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Gotocourt: 9:53am On Sep 17
franchasng:
In economics and trade, we have what is called the supply chain management and model. This ensures healthy trading and balanced economy.

Who makes up the supply chain?

1.) Manufacturer

2.) Distributor(s)

3.) Wholesalers

4.) Retailers

5.) Consumers

The manufacturer sources for raw materials and converts it into finished goods that consumers need.

Distributors help manufacturers to distribute their finished products to the market through wholesalers.

Wholesalers help distributors to reach the market through retail traders.

Retail traders help the wholesalers to sell faster and conveniently to the final consumers. This is how trading supply chain is designed to function to ensure a balanced economy and society.

In order words, you cannot be the manufacturer and still be the retailers selling directly to final consumers, that is a trading deficiency or abnormality that starves off other vital people on the supply chain and can lead to collapse of the economy of a society, that is why it is not encouraged by any working society and the only person that can stop or correct this mistake is the government through adequate trade laws and market policies to ensure balanced and healthy economy of its society.

So if we are to be real and honest to ourselves, citizens of countries that manufacture and produce what another country consumes like the Chinese, are not supposed to be allowed to operate retail trading shops in the countries they export their finished products to, it's a simple economics designed to keep national and global economy and trade balanced.

That is why in our secondary school economics, we were taught about supply chain, which flows from the manufacturer to the distributors to the wholesalers to the retailers to the consumers. These are all vital people on the supply chain that must not be discarded or allowed to be starved off through unhealthy trading activities.

You cannot be the manufacturer and still be the retailer, that is a trading policy abuse, it will squeeze out the other vital people on the supply chain and cause a skewed economy that will affect the society by making one person super rich and the rest extremely poor and dependent but our people are seeing this only from the tribal angle without seeing the bigger issue.
2.) Distributor(s)

3.) Wholesalers

4.) Retailers


This set worsen inflation. That's why some companies are retail.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by PulaPower: 9:53am On Sep 17
Irony1:
You are saying this out of spite and hatred of igbos because you know the truth about the danger of having these guys.
But you see one thing, e go soon touch you. I have done negotiations with the Chinese if dem play you your eye will clear.
Wait o, nah because say e go touch us una dey cry? Una like us reach that level? Anyways, that one concern you..

Our Chinese brothers & sisters are very much welcomed here in Yorubaland!
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by spinna: 9:53am On Sep 17
Chinese have long been here , if they can ease self inflicted inflation so be it. This restaurant in ikeja is over 50 yrs same place


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owcKZ-mzk-0
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by erad(m): 9:54am On Sep 17
Lol... All this misinformation to defend blatant extortion.

In the same economics, there's something called competition and when a group of people start acting like a cartel, it is slowly becoming a monopoly. It's one of the reason petrol marketers are making the government still allow petrol importation, to prevent Dangote being a monopoly. If the Chinese don't come personally, they can always have Nigerians to act as fronts and still achieve the same results.

Nigerians wouldn't have problems with the price disparities if it was negligible. But 100% and 200% upwards price margin is just diabolical. What we learnt in business studies is that once a business starts, it's bound to make some level of losses, then it breaks even after some them before eventually making profit. Nigerians are the only people I know that never want to break even, let alone make losses. They want to start a business today and buy benz tomorrow at the expense of their fellow Nigerians. And we all keep shouting that the government is the problem.

We've not even gone into the fake products category yet. That's a discussion for another day.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Irony1: 9:55am On Sep 17
PulaPower:
Our Chinese brothers & sisters are very much welcomed here in Yorubaland!
See you know the truth but hatred is not allowing you reason well no one is blocking them but they must not play undercutting games in business. Until it affects you, then your eye will clear. Leave wickedness and be human for once.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Fididiguy(m): 9:55am On Sep 17
I think it's easy for igbo traders to drive out Chinese from South East, but not in Lagos or South West.


because the Yoruba that own Lagos and south west land don't care who sale what in their land, they just want best for the money.

And unless the igbo can sell the narrative to Yoruba or convince the govt, it won't be easy
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Irony1: 9:57am On Sep 17
erad:
Lol... All this misinformation to defend blatant extortion.

In the same economics, there's something called competition and when a group of people start acting like a cartel, it is slowly becoming a monopoly. It's one of the reason petrol marketers are making the government still allow petrol importation, to prevent Dangote being a monopoly. If the Chinese don't come personally, they can always have Nigerians to act as fronts and still achieve the same results.

Nigerians wouldn't have problems with the price disparities if it was negligible. But 100% and 200% upwards price margin is just diabolical. What we learnt in business studies is that once a business starts, it's bound to make some level of losses, then it breaks even after some them before eventually making profit. Nigerians are the only people I know that never want to break even, let alone make losses. They want to start a business today and buy benz tomorrow at the expense of their fellow Nigerians. And we all keep shouting that the government is the problem.

We've not even gone into the fake products category yet. That's a discussion for another day.
I can tell you for a fact that the margins an importer makes is not more than 5% the turnover is where the money comes in. The real cost drivers are the import duty, freight, clearing and distribution. Let us stop this myopic nature. There are laws designed to protect consumers from cartel like practices, has the government every followed them?
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Reference(m): 9:57am On Sep 17
LadyExcellency:
That's for indigenous small-scale manufacturers. Critique from the angle of foreign invasion of Nigeria's economic structure.
That is what I am talking about.
If we cannot break that cycle we can never develop.
We need visionary leadership.
These things that are big industrial products today (to reply someone else) all started from small scale cottage industries.
The Chinese invasion is a wake up call and a challenge. It is a fork in the road and it is up to us to decide where to go from here.
Eat them up or eat ourselves up.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by PulaPower: 9:57am On Sep 17
Irony1:
See you know the truth but hatred is not allowing you reason well no one is blocking them but they must not play undercutting games in business. Until it affects you, then your eye will clear. Leave wickedness and be human for once.
Nothing is affecting us. It favor us at large. I can’t wait for the Chinese to start selling Akara. I can’t wait for the Chinese to start becoming tailors so that they can sow Agbada for me when I finally marry Amaka my Abia babe..
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Sirrules: 9:57am On Sep 17
franchasng:
I don't think you read my write up carefully and thoroughly, I doubt you did.


As someone who has been to China severally, spent long time there and have very close Chinese friends and even lipsrsealed lipsrsealed, I am telling you that yes some Chinese will sell things cheaper to you than Nigerian importers because Chinese government do support them massively to export to different markets through massive low interest and in some areas zero interest loans plus discounted shipping via Cosco and free export duty from China which your Nigerian importers or Igbo importers as you prefer to term them don't get, so those Chinese will definitely sell at lower price to consumers because it's a well planned scheme being sponsored by Chinese government to push out more Chinese made products direct to consumers around the world using Chinese merchants empowered and sponsored by the Chinese government to empower more Chinese so that China can end poverty in China and gradually take over global trade and markets. Chinese citizens that want to do trading even have access to buy now in bulk and pay later opportunities that your Nigerian importers don't have.


It's beyond what you can comprehend or argue.


Chinese government also send out condemned Chinese prisoners to African countries to work with CCCC as a way of paying for their crimes while Russia send theirs to the warfronts to fight Ukraine. These countries do a lot to keep their homeland and citizens empowered.



You guys focus is just on price or amount you buy a product and not looking at it holistically and from the national interest angle. It's well, everybody go learn sha
why doesn't the US also manufacture and sell cheaper than China? Abi the US no dey manufacture things ? Mr . Man, just face the reality and stop blabbing. You shylocks (importers)have been charging Nigerians much more than you should have done and was feeling good. I'm glad, you people now feel threatened, that's why, you all now remember about economics and supply chain.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by CyracksMrBlogger(m): 9:58am On Sep 17
If the Chinese are selling cheap quality products, we go buy that's all. We don't care wether manufacturers are becoming retailers, na the one our money afford we go buy.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by BATified2023: 9:58am On Sep 17
franchasng:
I don't think you read my write up carefully and thoroughly, I doubt you did.


As someone who has been to China severally, spent long time there and have very close Chinese friends and even lipsrsealed lipsrsealed, I am telling you that yes some Chinese will sell things cheaper to you than Nigerian importers because Chinese government do support them massively to export to different markets through massive low interest and in some areas zero interest loans plus discounted shipping via Cosco and free export duty from China which your Nigerian importers or Igbo importers as you prefer to term them don't get, so those Chinese will definitely sell at lower price to consumers because it's a well planned scheme being sponsored by Chinese government to push out more Chinese made products direct to consumers around the world using Chinese merchants empowered and sponsored by the Chinese government to empower more Chinese so that China can end poverty in China and gradually take over global trade and markets. Chinese citizens that want to do trading even have access to buy now in bulk and pay later opportunities that your Nigerian importers don't have.


It's beyond what you can comprehend or argue.


Chinese government also send out condemned Chinese prisoners to African countries to work with CCCC as a way of paying for their crimes while Russia send theirs to the warfronts to fight Ukraine. These countries do a lot to keep their homeland and citizens empowered.



You guys focus is just on price or amount you buy a product and not looking at it holistically and from the national interest angle. It's well, everybody go learn sha
what's the bullshit about national interest?

If u lots have national interest at heart u won't triple the price of goods to rip people off cos to u u believe u have the monopoly.

If u lots have national interest at heart u won't deliberately increase prices of goods cos your brother lost election

If u lots have national interest at heart in the first place u won't encourage importation by killing local industries, u think u are wise but Chinese are beating u to your game now.

So u never had national interest at heart so this is just the repercussions of your wickedness, the Chinese saw what u are doing n how greedy u are n that's y they came here themselves to sell it directly so u won't b ripping people off again
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Irony1: 9:58am On Sep 17
PulaPower:
Nothing is affecting us. It favor us at large. I can’t wait for the Chinese to start selling Akara. I can’t wait for the Chinese to start becoming tailors so that they can sow Agbada for me when I finally marry Amaka my Abia babe..
grin grin grin grin grin
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by DLuciano: 9:59am On Sep 17
PulaPower:
The guy isn’t an economics. He’s a nuisance..

Our Chinese brothers & sisters are very much welcomed here!
God bless you! Inflation is extremely high in the country, and the major root cause are the middle men (distributors and wholesalers).
When they buy from the manufacturers, before the goods finally gets to the final consumer, the price triples. But if retailed to consumers, we get at a very fair price and even the manufacturer is at the advantage of making more turnover.

Why do you think Dangote directly supplying his fuel to companies, businesses, etc that has reservoirs of 250ltr and above?
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by PulaPower: 9:59am On Sep 17
Reference:
That is what I am talking about.
If we cannot break that cycle we can never develop.
We need visionary leadership.
These things that are big industrial products today (to reply someone else) all started from small scale cottage industries.
The Chinese invasion is a wake up call and a challenge. It is a fork in the road and it is up to us to decide where to go from here.
Eat them up or eat ourselves up.
There’s nothing like China invasion..

We brought them and gave them free access like we did with every other economic immigrants. There are 36 states in Nigeria incase you don’t like it..
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by yesloaded: 10:00am On Sep 17
PulaPower:
I don’t know maybe you’re speaking from Biafra laws but that one concern you..

In SW, Nigeria, all economic migrants have the same liberty here. No time-table or restrictions on any business men/women..

Either you come from a 5hours distance or 20hours distance, every economics immigrants have the same freedom of operation here..

The Chinese in Lagos are also Lagosians, just like every other economic immigrants. No immigrant is more Lagosians than the other..

Our Chinese brothers & sisters are very much welcome in SW, Nigeria!
You are not into commerce so I don't expect you to understand what op is saying

At the end of the day, Nigerians will be the loser
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Irony1: 10:01am On Sep 17
BATified2023:
what's the bullshit about national interest?

If u lots have national interest at heart u won't triple the price of goods to rip people off cos to u u believe u have the monopoly.

If u lots have national interest at heart u won't deliberately increase prices of goods cos your brother lost election

If u lots have national interest at heart in the first place u won't encourage importation by killing local industries, u think u are wise but Chinese are beating u to your game now.

So u never had national interest at heart so this is just the repercussions of your wickedness, the Chinese saw what u are doing n how greedy u are n that's y they came here themselves to sell it directly so u won't b ripping people off again
Oga local industries died from SAP era when it was clear that the cost of production especially to get standardised products was high because govt failed in making sure that the factors of production and doing business was clearly accessible to businesses especially Power and roads.
This is life nothing exists in a vacuum once a vacuum is created, something will step in to fill it. That is where importation came in. No one killed importation but rather it was the govt.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Nijablast: 10:01am On Sep 17
OP, you need to go back to Secondary school "economics says producers must sell through middlemen" is simply incorrect.
The basic question in economics is what distribution arrangement is most efficient, not whether a middleman must exist.
If a manufacturer produces a machine for ₦1 million and can efficiently sell it directly to the customer for ₦1.3 million, there is nothing economically wrong with:
Manufacturer → Customer
If a distributor can reach 500 customers that the manufacturer cannot easily reach, then:
Manufacturer → Distributor → Customer
may make more sense.
So when someone says "the producer shouldn't sell directly to the consumer because economics doesn't work that way," that's not a general economic principle. Direct-to-consumer selling is a well-established business model.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Artsbeat(m): 10:03am On Sep 17
I smell tribalism here, cool
PulaPower:
I don’t know maybe you’re speaking from Biafra laws but that one concern you..

In SW, Nigeria, all economic migrants have the same liberty here. No time-table or restrictions on any business men/women..

Either you come from a 5hours distance or 20hours distance, every economics immigrants have the same freedom of operation here..

The Chinese in Lagos are also Lagosians, just like every other economic immigrants. No immigrant is more Lagosians than the other..

Our Chinese brothers & sisters are very much welcome in SW, Nigeria!
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by PulaPower: 10:03am On Sep 17
yesloaded:
You are not into commerce so I don't expect you to understand what op is saying

At the end of the day, Nigerians will be the loser
Be like say una never even know Wetin dey sup. Our Chinese brothers are here to stay and they’ll be free like a bird.

Right now, report reaching me is that Larfarge cement has been purchased by Chinese and very soon, production will start..

If them produce cement and sell 5k per bag, make you no buy ok?
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by BATified2023: 10:05am On Sep 17
LadyExcellency:
Many of you who are commenting against the original poster's views are novices. I was appointed as a wholesaler by a Procter & Gamble distributor next to their warehouse. However, you cannot buy directly from them, regardless of how much money you have. They will always direct you to a wholesaler to facilitate the transaction. That’s how the supply chain operates. If Procter & Gamble were a Chinese company, they might undermine their wholesalers, which would lead to unhealthy trade practices.
u forgot to tell us that p n g monitor what the wholesalers sells n they know fully well that wholesalers aren't ripping retailers n final consumers off.

It's an organized market system where everyone knows the company price n expected returns unlike our greedy brothers who sells an unregulated market where they buy at lower price n triple the price without thinking of the economic implications of the final consumers.

And besides, u forgot to tell us that p n g will not increase their prices deliberately because people didn't vote their brother
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by PulaPower: 10:07am On Sep 17
Artsbeat:
I smell tribalism here, cool
It’s rasicm from Igbos towards Chinese..

Imagine that..
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by 3rdeyeNigeria: 10:08am On Sep 17
The funny thing about this issue is that Igbo retailers are all over the continent doing retail business. Which is good for Nigeria diaspora remittance.

And when those people push back, it's called xenophobia or hate.

Personally, I think it's provocative to do retail (or worse go for political elective post) in competitions with locals and Igbos are the number 1 guilty party.

This event should give everyone a moment of reflection.

Lastly, Ghana tried creating a law to stop foreigner from doing small business but it did not work.
At the end, the commodity market is not emotional, it will move to the best offer.

Igbos should offer a better offer, protesting is like pot protesting against kettle.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by nonny1212: 10:08am On Sep 17
Fididiguy:
I think it's easy for igbo traders to drive out Chinese from South East, but not in Lagos or South West.


because the Yoruba that own Lagos and south west land don't care who sale what in their land, they just want best for the money.

And unless the igbo can sell the narrative to Yoruba or convince the govt, it won't be easy
This one cuts DEEP and that's the summary of the whole situation.

Igbos should embrace the Wave or get left behind. Dont be like NOKIA.

Chinese are like human AI, they are in Nigeria to help the LESS save time and cost. Alot of the igbos are still living in denial.

Majority WINs here, and Majority wants the Chinese as their products are cheaper and accessible.

And trust me, you cannot beat them at this game. It us either you join them now or keep wailing.

They provide VALUE for money and. Thats what the common man loves.

DEAL WITH IT.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by omenka(m):
Op just identified himself as one of the "miscreants" the police was talking about.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by nonny1212: 10:10am On Sep 17
Fididiguy:
I think it's easy for igbo traders to drive out Chinese from South East, but not in Lagos or South West.


because the Yoruba that own Lagos and south west land don't care who sale what in their land, they just want best for the money.

And unless the igbo can sell the narrative to Yoruba or convince the govt, it won't be easy
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by 3rdeyeNigeria: 10:10am On Sep 17
I actually support the competition. It will improve the overall Market offering.

Nigerians can compete with anyone anywhere and win.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Christlike01: 10:11am On Sep 17
franchasng:
Another mistake most of you make is ignorantly assuming that Igbo businessmen are uneducated lol.


I am a proud Igbo entrepreneur and small company owner and I am a graduate, a postgraduate and also a PhD inview student so when it comes to education, you are far below me. I have also acquired various short business trainings and courses and will be starting an MBA program with a specialization in global trade and economics by 2028 God willing. I have done a lot of short courses on business management, sales and marketing, including digital marketing.


And it's not only me, most other Igbo business associates I know are all graduates and some already have masters even from foreign universities. Gone are the days you can brag that it's only Yorubas that went to school, maybe in the 1950s, not anymore cos we Igbos now make it a top priority to acquire graduate education even if we want to major on business and trading. So when you see some of the traders in the market, don't go thinking they are all uneducated like you guys usually assume, it's no longer so today, thank you for your attention to this matter cool
It's such a pity you can't see that the so-called education you and your fellow Igbo traders claim to have is not reflecting in your conduct.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by FSBoperator: 10:11am On Sep 17
There's a Chinese owned quarry in Abuja that mines limestone chippings.

Do you know that the tipper guys who work independently at the quarry site will collaborate with the scale operator to not fill the truck with the 40 Tonnes capacity load which goes for about 400k. They will arrange with the scale operator to reduce the payload by as much as 10 tonnes.

If they have a consignment contract to supply 10 truck loads, they will be ripping their clients by as much as 100 tonnes which is equivalent to 2 and half truck supply amounting to as much as #1,000,000.

The Chinese found out about this unwholesome practices because they noticed more truck movement into their quarrt but less limestone being hurled from their site.

The Chinese sacked the Nigerian operators and had one of their own mounts the scale operations.

The Chinese are only interested in making sales and if any one in the chain of their operations is undermining sales , the Chinese will find a way to cut them out.

This scenario I wrote here applies to the Ibo traders who get their goods from Chinese warehouses at the market but can't move them fast enough because they put too much profit on top.

The Chinese saw that this was slowing their inventory sales and so cut the Ibos out of the mix and started selling directly.

If I had a distribution company , I will prefer to partner with a retailer who can move my goods and fast as possible so I can order more inventory and so make quicker turnovers

The Ibo traders have become an impedinent to Chinese sales operations and so the Chinese cut them off.

There is nothing wrong with what the Chinese are doing and it is far better for our import based economy that goods are cheaper for the consumer overall.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by nonny1212: 10:11am On Sep 17
This one cuts DEEP and that's the summary of the whole situation.

Igbos should embrace the Wave or get left behind. Dont be like NOKIA.

Chinese are like human AI, they are in Nigeria to help the LESS save time and cost. Alot of the igbos are still living in denial.

Majority WINs here, and Majority wants the Chinese as their products are cheaper and accessible.

And trust me, you cannot beat them at this game. It us either you join them now or keep wailing.

They provide VALUE for money and. Thats what the common man loves.

DEAL WITH IT.
Re: Protest Against Chinese Traders In Nigeria: The Untold Truth by Sheuns(m): 10:11am On Sep 17
DLuciano:
God bless you! Inflation is extremely high in the country, and the major root cause are the middle men (distributors and wholesalers).
When they buy from the manufacturers, before the goods finally gets to the final consumer, the price triples. But if retailed to consumers, we get at a very fair price and even the manufacturer is at the advantage of making more turnover.

Why do you think Dangote directly supplying his fuel to companies, businesses, etc that has reservoirs of 250ltr and above?
Fear God at least. Retailers and middlemen are the root cause of inflation?
Haba mana.
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