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When you come to social media there's a lot of bashing here and there over the flaws of Churches claiming Christians so you you'll hear people saying things like:

"This church is fake, that church is a cult"

So the questions we need to ask ourselves is:

Is Jesus real?
If Jesus is real can we find a gathering of his real disciples today?
How can we identify the gathering of Jesus' real disciples?
What should they be doing in our time?

Though most religionists claiming Christians don't like to talk about these things but then if you are interested let's hear your views.🙂

Yes, there is and I belong to it already.


1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

MightySparrow:
Yes, there is and I belong to it already.
1 Corinthians 12:27
Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Here are the questions can you do well to answer?

MaxInDHouse:
Is Jesus real?
If Jesus is real can we find a gathering of his real disciples today?
How can we identify the gathering of Jesus' real disciples?
What should they be doing in our time?

MaxInDHouse:
Here are the questions can you do well to answer?

1. Yes Jesus is real to me and my own church.

How to identify the true disciples.
Very easy:
Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

You fulfill all these, you are true disciples

MightySparrow:
1. Yes Jesus is real to me and my own church.
How to identify the true disciples.
Very easy:
Mark 16:15-18
And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
You fulfill all these, you are true disciples.

OK you're not a Bible student so never mind continue with your religion because the original writing of Mark ends at 16:8 real Bible students don't just swallow whatever we see rather we do verification. Act 17:11 compare to 1Thessalonians 5:21
If that's what Jesus truly said then how come no disciple even in Bible times could fulfilled those things?🥱

MaxInDHouse:
OK you're not a Bible student so never mind continue with your religion because the original writing of Mark ends at 16:8 real Bible students don't just swallow whatever we see rather we do verification. Act 17:11 compare to 1Thessalonians 5:21
If that's what Jesus truly said then how come no disciple even in Bible times could fulfilled those things?🥱

But I have not seen your organization remove it from your New World Translation. Don't you believe the verses?

MightySparrow:
But I have not seen your organization remove it from your New World Translation. Don't you believe the verses?

Go and make your research not just swallowing false doctrines.

There are many things added by the clergy claiming Jesus said so but if you're not really interested in the truth you won't know.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and make your research not just swallowing false doctrines.

There are many things added by the clergy claiming Jesus said so but if you're not really interested in the truth you won't know.

Why were they added and who did?

MightySparrow:
Why were they added and who did?

The clergy back then don't want anyone to fault whatever they say so if someone raises any objection regarding their dogmas they will quote those verses for him.
Then such a person must prove he is truly a disciple of Jesus by staying with snakes and other dangerous animals, drink poison and other evil things that will surely kill him after all he claims to be holier than them.
That is how they control people back then.
When you hear that most true Christians were killed cruelly that is what happened to them, the clergy back then will quote these verses for you and force you to drink a deadly poison or throw you to carnivorous animals that can kill their plan is to kill anyone who kicks against their dogmas.
So once that person dies they'll tell everyone:
"Can you see he/she lied?
If Jesus is truly behind him why did he die after drinking the poison?"
So they added it to kill anyone who kicks against them.

Another verses added is Matthew 17:21

They knew that most people will like to please God so they will tell you to fast like Jesus after all you claim to be holier than them knowing fully well that you will die of hunger.

You can make research to know more about how the clergy killed many people for kicking against their dogmas in the dark ages!

MaxInDHouse:
The clergy back then don't want anyone to fault whatever they say so if someone raises any objection regarding their dogmas they will quote those verses for him.
Then such a person must prove he is truly a disciple of Jesus by staying with snakes and other dangerous animals, drink poison and other evil things that will surely kill him after all he claims to be holier than them.
That is how they control people back then.
When you hear that most true Christians were killed cruelly that is what happened to them, the clergy back then will quote these verses for you and force you to drink a deadly poison or throw you to carnivorous animals that can kill their plan is to kill anyone who kicks against their dogmas.
So once that person dies they'll tell everyone:
"Can you see he/she lied?
If Jesus is truly behind him why did he die after drinking the poison?"
So they added it to kill anyone who kicks against them.

Another verses added is Matthew 17:21

They knew that most people will like to please God so they will tell you to fast like Jesus after all you claim to be holier than them knowing fully well that you will die of hunger.

You can make research to know more about how the clergy killed many people for kicking against their dogmas in the dark ages!

Although Mark 16:9–20 is absent from some of the earliest surviving Greek manuscripts, nearly every statement in Mark 16:15–20 is confirmed elsewhere in the New Testament.
Jesus' command to "go into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature" (Mark 16:15) is repeated in Matthew 28:18–20, Luke 24:46–49, and Acts 1:8. Its fulfillment is seen throughout the book of Acts (Acts 8:4; Acts 13–28), and Paul states that the gospel had been proclaimed throughout the known world (Colossians 1:23).
The declaration that "he that believeth and is baptized shall be saved" (Mark 16:16) is fulfilled in the conversions of Acts 2:38–41, Acts 8:36–38, Acts 10:44–48, and Acts 16:30–33. The warning concerning unbelief is reaffirmed in John 3:18 and John 3:36.
The signs promised to believers are likewise fulfilled. Demons were cast out in Jesus' name (Acts 5:16; 8:7; 16:18; 19:11–12). Believers spoke with new tongues (Acts 2:1–11; 10:44–46; 19:6; 1 Corinthians 12–14). Paul survived the bite of a venomous serpent (Acts 28:3–6), fulfilling the promise concerning serpents. The only promise without a recorded New Testament fulfillment is, "if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them." No New Testament writer records such an event. That would be testing God if intentional. However, if believed today, it will still work. Forever, I Lord is settled in heaven.
The promise of healing is repeatedly demonstrated as the apostles laid hands on the sick and they recovered (Acts 3:1–8; 5:12–16; 9:17–18; 9:32–35; 28:8–9; James 5:14–15).
Jesus' ascension and exaltation at the Father's right hand (Mark 16:19) are confirmed in Luke 24:50–53, Acts 1:9–11, Hebrews 1:3, Hebrews 10:12, Ephesians 1:20, and 1 Peter 3:22.
Finally, Mark 16:20 is reflected throughout the book of Acts, where the apostles preached everywhere and the Lord confirmed their message with miraculous signs. This summary is echoed in Hebrews 2:3–4, Romans 15:18–19, and 1 Corinthians 2:4–5, which testify that God bore witness to the gospel through signs, wonders, miracles, and the power of the Holy Spirit.


If all these things came to pass in the time of the apostles, maybe the collators and editors were wrong.
Since the words came to pass, it was not the error but the correct and believable, and God's standards for being a disciple.

Isaiah 8:20
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

Maybe your organization should check their light and New Light.

MightySparrow:
Maybe your organization should check their light and New Light.

It's OK you can continue with your church if you and i don't agree there is no wahala!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
It's OK you can continue with your church if you and i don't agree there is no wahala!🙂

Is that your final answer?

Truth can be established by what happens and what does not.
In my own church, we take wholistic view of the entire scriptures. If the clergy or editors added footnotes, addendums that do not contradict evidences, they are acceptable.

The Bible contains fewer words of God directly others are records, history, letters, imageries like poems,songs, opinions, even demons talked about Jesus and Paul in the Bible? The demons said that which is true about them!

You see my friend, every church organization has its own community truth. That JW.Org community truth is superior to others is a lie.

MightySparrow:
Every church organization has its own community truth. That JW.Org community truth is superior to others is a lie.

Now read the below before you deceive yourself further:

A first century youth about 33 years old said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Because of this statement most people who knew how he was born and how he grew up became offended and so 99.9% of Jews including some who had been following him before then turned against him. But today you claim to believe this same man even though you never saw him like those people did yet you claim to believe in him.
Please how do you manage to believe in a first century man who uttered such a statement without knowing him in person yet refused to believe an organization today claiming they are the only group practicing what he taught?🤔

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MaxInDHouse:
Now read the below before you deceive yourself further:

A first century youth about 33 years old said:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me" John 14:6

Because of this statement most people who knew how he was born and how he grew up became offended and so 99.9% of Jews including some who had been following him before then turned against him. But today you claim to believe this same man even though you never saw him like those people did yet you claim to believe in him.
Please how do you manage to believe in a first century man who uttered such a statement without knowing him in person yet refused to believe an organization today claiming they are the only group practicing what he taught?🤔

You claim to know Him in person but deny His wonderful works among men today. You deny the apostolic legacies. Deny the operations of the Holy Spirit and resort to philosophy of men. You are not sure that when you call on Him, He would answer you. How much of Him do you know?

People that know Him and know His voice, you condemn them.

You explain the workings of God away by Hebrew and Greek.

Isaiah 29:13
Wherefore the Lord said, Forasmuch as this people draw near me with their mouth, and with their lips do honour me, but have removed their heart far from me, and their fear toward me is taught by the precept of menGoverning Body)

MightySparrow:
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You claim to know Him in person but deny His wonderful works among men today. You deny the apostolic legacies. Deny the operations of the Holy Spirit and resorts to philosophy of men. You are not sure that when you call on Him, He would answer you. How much of Him do you know?
People that know Him and know His voice, you condemn them.

The same man said "By their fruits you will know false religionists" {Matthew 7:16-17} so can you mention the qualities of the fruit of God's holy spirit that you found among those you say i don't believe today?
Or is it just their so called miracles alone that makes you quantify them as true servants of God? Matthew 7:21-23🤔

MaxInDHouse:
The same man said "By their fruits you will know false religionists" {Matthew 7:16-17} so can you mention the qualities of the fruit of God's holy spirit that you found among those you say i don't believe today?
Or is it just their so called miracles alone that makes you quantify them as true servants of God? Matthew 7:21-23🤔

What about fruit of delusion in jw.org?

MightySparrow:
What about fruit of delusion in jw.org?

Are you now running away from what you started?
First of all what are the qualities of the fruit of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} which Jesus said we should look out for. Matthew 7:16-18

Then we can later talk about delusion that people in the first century also complain about among Jesus' disciples.

MaxInDHouse:
Are you now running away from what you started?
First of all what are the qualities of the fruit of God's holy spirit {Galatians 5:22-23} which Jesus said we should look out for. Matthew 7:16-18

Then we can later talk about delusion that people in the first century also complain about among Jesus' disciples.

Tell us how much of the fruit you are touting that exist with JW. Org

MightySparrow:
Tell us how much of the fruit you are touting that exist with JW. Org

I only believe in what Jesus said.

He warned me not put my trust in supernatural acts {Matthew 7:21-23} so i zero my mind when people are rushing towards such acts instead i focus on the fruit of faith which Jesus said will serve as evidence of his presence in the gathering of faithful people! Matthew 7:16-18

So if you don't believe in the fruit of faith as Jesus commanded his disciples please there is no reason arguing further! 🥱

MaxInDHouse:
I only believe in what Jesus said.

He warned me not put my trust in supernatural acts {Matthew 7:21-23} so i zero my mind when people are rushing towards such acts instead i focus on the fruit of faith which Jesus said will serve as evidence of his presence in the gathering of faithful people! Matthew 7:16-18

So if you don't believe in the fruit of faith as Jesus commanded his disciples please there is no reason arguing further! 🥱

So yours is selective belief?
What is convenient?

MightySparrow:
So yours is selective belief?
What is convenient?

Jesus WARNED me that i should not allow supernatural acts to deceive me nah! Matthew 7:21-23

So no matter how many miracles you performed what matters to me is the fruit of faith. Matthew 7:16-18

As long as that fruit is missing i'll just pass you bye.

WHY?

Because much supernatural acts do occur in different religions even in our own traditional religions here in Africa our people do perform supernatural acts so when anyone claims he is doing it in Jesus name i'm never moved!🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Jesus WARNED me that i should not allow supernatural acts to deceive me nah! Matthew 7:21-23

So no matter how many miracles you performed what matters to me is the fruit of faith. Matthew 7:16-18

As long as that fruit is missing i'll just pass you bye.

WHY?

Because much supernatural acts do occur in different religions even in our own traditional religions here in Africa our people do perform supernatural acts so when anyone claims he is doing it in Jesus name i'm never moved!🥱

21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’


That is it.

Does the passage say 'all' who called Him Lord, Lord or all that prophecy,cast out demons, did miracles?
This is the assumptive interpretation that leads to community truth and rob people of their redemptive blessings. Sir, there is adifference between all and many.
This is the very foundation of delusion I have been saying.

MightySparrow:
21 “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’
That is it.
Does the passage say 'all' who called Him Lord, Lord or all that prophecy,cast out demons, did miracles?
This is the assumptive interpretation that leads to community truth and rob people of their redemptive blessings. Sir, there is adifference between all and many.
This is the very foundation of delusion I have been saying.

I have chosen my own path you are free to choose yours nah.
If you are after supernatural acts go after them i'm not interested in such acts but the fruit of God's holy spirit!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
I have chosen my own path you are free to choose yours nah.
If you are after supernatural acts go after them i'm not interested in such acts but the fruit of God's holy spirit!🙂

That is not a problem. I have chosen my own and I am convinced beyond all reasonable and unreasonable doubts that it is the ONLY right way, serving Jehovah most correctly.

However, I am on this platform to debunk lies and hypocrisy.

Awolowo said, ' because we are related, we will meet; and continue to meet again and again.'

Jesus love.

MightySparrow:
Awolowo said, ' because we are related, we will meet; and continue to meet again and again.

Because i'm responding to you shey?🥱

MaxInDHouse:
Because i'm responding to you shey?🥱

Because of humanity not because of differences in religious philosophy.

MightySparrow:
Because of humanity.

How do you talk about humanity when you despise the one and only organization that's working towards peace and love?

You people just love deceiving yourselves!

Jesus preached love and peace the only group practicing what he taught you despise claiming they have community truth when it's not you or your daddy that establish the religion you want to carry on your head.

I was a Muslim when i saw the light among Jehovah's Witnesses and moved closer to learn more because i don't belong to any religion except the only one that's practicing what Jesus taught.

So if you feel you already got the religion you want it simply means you and i aren't on the same page if i see a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses today i'll leave them instantly and join, i'm not tied down to any religion so i'm a free agent only the truth that has no equal can hold me!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
How do you talk about humanity when you despise the one and only organization that's working towards peace and love?

You people just love deceiving yourselves!

Jesus preached love and peace the only group practicing what he taught you despise claiming they have community truth when it's not you or your daddy that establish the religion you want to carry on your head.

I was a Muslim when i saw the light among Jehovah's Witnesses and moved closer to learn more because i don't belong to any religion except the only one that's practicing what Jesus taught.

So if you feel you already got the religion you want it simply means you and i aren't on the same page if i see a better performing group than Jehovah's Witnesses today i'll leave them instantly and join, i'm not tied down to any religion so i'm a free agent only the truth that has no equal can hold me!🙂

I have said this severally. Islam is a confusion; Islam is not a continuation of either Judaism or Christianity. It is a fraud mixing Arabic culture and folklore with some Jewish scriptures and history denying the core beliefs of Christianity. Jehovah's Witnesses, however, is a delusion. Jehovah's Witnesses like any other sects believes, they are doing the best or the only one approved by their own interpretations of the scriptures that form your Community Truth. That community truth becomes a dogma and dogma beclouds reason. While you are in the confines of the: 'brethren' bigotry, you see yourselves with the worldview of your doctrines. There are a lot of you that are PIMO or did fellowshipped, disorientated, distressed, oppressed by the weight of doctrines they are comfortable with. These are in the bandage of the wrath of the brethren. JW.Org preach and teach segregation from brethren than separation from the world.

MightySparrow:
Islam is not a continuation of either Judaism or Christianity. It is a fraud

Your own PERSONAL judgement!

MightySparrow:
JW.Org preach and teach segregation from brethren than separation from the world.

Your PERSONAL judgement!

If Jesus was born into Judaism but condemned all the religions that stem from Judaism claiming only his followers can have everlasting life then you have nothing to say against Jehovah's Witnesses because it's exactly the same attitude of Jesus that Jehovah's Witnesses portrayed!🙂

MaxInDHouse:
Your own PERSONAL judgement!



Your PERSONAL judgement!

If Jesus was born into Judaism but condemned all the religions that stem from Judaism claiming only his followers can have everlasting life then you have nothing to say against Jehovah's Witnesses because it's exactly the same attitude of Jesus that Jehovah's Witnesses portrayed!🙂

Hahahahahaha. I have about five of you around me. You as a member are just under the masquerade costume of Nairaland. Your righteousness is just veiled behind the screen. .

You have been talking about fruits: by their fruit you shall know them. I already have the fruit of both Jw.Org and Governing Body close to me.
Cheers dear brother. The fact is when leaving the confusion of Islam, your first contact was JW. Org. The first and only. If you had entered Celestial, Anglican, RCCG, your experience and thinking would be different. I was born into a nominal Christian home. You know, a little of Christian understanding and more of tradition. I have some experiences across some christian denominations. I know how to get the better of the lot.
I understand your passion, in born, you must have been a very devoted Muslim, the same zeal you brought into JWs. Fine my brother at least as a human and moreso as a yoruba man and, well, as a branch of Christ.
Cheers brother.

This is why i asked you to list the qualities of the FRUIT of God's holy spirit because if you don't know how it's connected to the holiness God requires i wonder how you are going to distinguish between true and false religion.

Do you think it's by the attitude of imperfect humans that we are to be assessed? You're really funny because if that's what determines the righteousness of God how do you think Muslims, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Judaists, Atheists, Agnostics and Freethinkers who are kind and nice could be excluded from the blessings that God promised?

Ọmọ i know you are spiritually empty that's why i told you never to call me your brother as you despise divine wisdom.

Meanwhile know that no amount of mockery can change our mind regarding what we know as truth our righteousness is not what you can measure with human thinking because it's from Jehovah our God! Isaiah 54:17🙂

MightySparrow:
Hahahahahaha. I have about five of you around me. You as a member are just under the masquerade costume of Nairaland. Your righteousness is just veiled behind the screen. .
You have been talking about fruits: by their fruit you shall know them. I already have the fruit of both Jw.Org and Governing Body close to me.
Cheers dear brother. The fact is when leaving the confusion of Islam, your first contact was JW. Org. The first and only. If you had entered Celestial, Anglican, RCCG, your experience and thinking would be different. I was born into a nominal Christian home. You know, a little of Christian understanding and more of tradition. I have some experiences across some christian denominations. I know how to get the better of the lot.
I understand your passion, in born, you must have been a very devoted Muslim, the same zeal you brought into JWs. Fine my brother at least as a human and moreso as a yoruba man and, well, as a branch of Christ.
Cheers brother.

King David was chosen among his brothers to lead God's people later David committed adultery with a woman, killed her husband and took her as his wife but after all said and done God declared that there is no king in Israel that's like David who is a man according to God's heart! Act 13:22

Whoever is not interested in knowing why these things are so can't be one of God's loyal worshipers rather you'll end up claiming God is not just or say God has no standard.🥱