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Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 9:34am On Oct 03
MaxInDHouse:
This is why i asked you to list the qualities of the FRUIT of God's holy spirit because if you don't know how it's connected to the holiness God requires i wonder how you are going to distinguish between true and false religion.

Do you think it's by the attitude of imperfect humans that we are to be assessed? You're really funny because if that's what determines the righteousness of God how do you think Muslims, Traditionalists, Buddhists, Judaists, Atheists, Agnostics and Freethinkers who are kind and nice could be excluded from the blessings that God promised?

Ọmọ i know you are spiritually empty that's why i told you never to call me your brother as you despise divine wisdom.

Meanwhile know that no amount of mockery can change our mind regarding what we know as truth our righteousness is not what you can measure with human thinking because it's from Jehovah our God! Isaiah 54:17🙂
2 Corinthians 3:2
Ye (we) are our epistle written in (our) hearts, known and read of all men:


Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 9:58am On Oct 03
MightySparrow:
2 Corinthians 3:2
Ye (we) are our epistle written in (our) hearts, known and read of all men:

Matthew 5:16
Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.
Now you are quoting what you can't expatiate.
If Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" Matthew 5:16

And you think he wasn't talking to a unique group but individuals in different religions all claiming they are his disciples how can they be the "light of the world" Matthew 5:14 huh

Is it Mr A in Catholic Mr B in RCCG Mr C in Synagogue Mr D in MFM and still Mr E in Cele?

How can the world recognize these different individuals found in different religions as light?🤔

Ọmọ Jesus was referring to one group/organization that will have some unique qualities which all people from one end of the earth to the other end that this group have what all others don't have:


freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.
BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract members to their church and the members will bring the money.
Shikena!
APOPTOSIS:
JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and contacts.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their members would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told
.
Oye0404:
well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..
XXLDICK:
They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.
boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.
Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!
Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.
HardMirror:
unfortunately, JW are the best Christians if we will be honest.


If you call what all these people are saying "COMMUNITY TRUTH" are these commentators also members of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Abeg continue deceiving yourself o!🙂
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by StoryHaven: 1:21pm On Oct 03
MaxInDHouse:
When you come to social media there's a lot of bashing here and there over the flaws of Churches claiming Christians so you you'll hear people saying things like:

"This church is fake, that church is a cult"

So the questions we need to ask ourselves is:

Is Jesus real?
If Jesus is real can we find a gathering of his real disciples today?
How can we identify the gathering of Jesus' real disciples?
What should they be doing in our time?

Though most religionists claiming Christians don't like to talk about these things but then if you are interested let's hear your views.🙂
It is not only the church that are alleged to be cult, Jehovah's Witnesses and Church of Christ (Momon Church) are regarded as cults also. I have seen since years back many articles and publications that regard the two institutions as cult groups.

Concerning your question, There are many Churches that are truly preaching and doing what Jesus instructed.
Infact, the Jehovah Witnesses preach Jehovah and not Jesus. They downplay the greatness of Christ just to prove that Jehovah is superior to Christ.
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by HardMirror(m): 1:37pm On Oct 03
Mr man. Please delete my name from your data base, abi what is all this mention from you all the time.
MaxInDHouse:
Now you are quoting what you can't expatiate.
If Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" Matthew 5:16

And you think he wasn't talking to a unique group but individuals in different religions all claiming they are his disciples how can they be the "light of the world" Matthew 5:14 huh

Is it Mr A in Catholic Mr B in RCCG Mr C in Synagogue Mr D in MFM and still Mr E in Cele?

How can the world recognize these different individuals found in different religions as light?🤔

Ọmọ Jesus was referring to one group/organization that will have some unique qualities which all people from one end of the earth to the other end that this group have what all others don't have:





















If you call what all these people are saying "COMMUNITY TRUTH" are these commentators also members of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Abeg continue deceiving yourself o!🙂
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 5:01pm On Oct 03
MaxInDHouse:
Now you are quoting what you can't expatiate.
If Jesus said "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven" Matthew 5:16

And you think he wasn't talking to a unique group but individuals in different religions all claiming they are his disciples how can they be the "light of the world" Matthew 5:14 huh

Is it Mr A in Catholic Mr B in RCCG Mr C in Synagogue Mr D in MFM and still Mr E in Cele?

How can the world recognize these different individuals found in different religions as light?🤔

Ọmọ Jesus was referring to one group/organization that will have some unique qualities which all people from one end of the earth to the other end that this group have what all others don't have:





















If you call what all these people are saying "COMMUNITY TRUTH" are these commentators also members of Jehovah's Witnesses?

Abeg continue deceiving yourself o!🙂
😂 Hahahahagringrin
Who is fooling who?
That is your own estimation of your organization.
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 5:03pm On Oct 03
HardMirror:
Mr man. Please delete my name from your data base, abi what is all this mention from you all the time.
Later you people will start or join others in conversations.
Can you just hear yourself?
You said something but don't want to be quoted!

ATHEISM is a crime wahala talahi
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:58pm On Oct 03
MightySparrow:
😂 Hahahahagringrin
Who is fooling who?
That is your own estimation of your organization.
So all those comments came out from me shey?

Please how do you think people will evaluate you when you quote Jesus but deliberately deny what he said?

People from different schools of thought speak about a group you said it's my own estimation.

Well until i see people come out to utter the same about your so called Pentecostal sha!🥱
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 3:09pm On Oct 04
MaxInDHouse:
So all those comments came out from me shey?

Please how do you think people will evaluate you when you quote Jesus but deliberately deny what he said?

People from different schools of thought speak about a group you said it's my own estimation.

Well until i see people come out to utter the same about your so called Pentecostal sha!🥱
They are not emulating you but commending you. That is good but that doesn't really mean they know you. Like I said, you are under the the costume of a masquerade. Who knows what is inside? I for one, I have your members around me, they have not disappointed me in their behaviour. I don't say all are not doing well but the those I have seen. Ahhh!!?!!.
Hmmmm
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 10:11pm On Oct 04
Jesus never said i won't see flaws among his disciples since they are not perfect for now but that people from different schools of thought will commend them. Matthew 5:14:16
That is what you are now denying!🙂
MightySparrow:
They are not emulating you but commending you. That is good but that doesn't really mean they know you. Like I said, you are under the the costume of a masquerade. Who knows what is inside? I for one, I have your members around me, they have not disappointed me in their behaviour. I don't say all are not doing well but the those I have seen. Ahhh!!?!!.Hmmmm
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 4:25am On Oct 05
MaxInDHouse:
Jesus never said i won't see flaws among his disciples since they are not perfect for now but that people from different schools of thought will commend them. Matthew 5:14:16
That is what you are now denying!🙂
Do flaws are the emblem of His disciples?
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:58am On Oct 05
MightySparrow:
Do flaws are the emblem of His disciples?
Unity, Peace and Love among imperfect humans!

The flaws is as a result of their imperfect state but despite that they remain united in peace and love that's why they were noticed in the first century not because of supernatural acts that happens in all religions!🙂
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 5:27pm On Oct 05
MaxInDHouse:
Unity, Peace and Love among imperfect humans!

The flaws is as a result of their imperfect state but despite that they remain united in peace and love that's why they were noticed in the first century not because of supernatural acts that happens in all religions!🙂
So if your organization is an imperfect, perfect congregation of people, why are you talking against other denomination's imperfections?
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op):
MightySparrow:
So if your organization is an imperfect, perfect congregation of people, why are you talking against other denomination's imperfections?
That is Jesus you are talking about not me. He is the one who has the right to judge but as for me i only present the one and only true religion.
Have you ever seen me talk against Islam?
That's my former religion so had i want to talk about falsehood in religion that's the one i know very well but i don't because that is not my job what Jesus told me is to preach and teach about salvation which could only be attained through pure worship.
Your problem is that you don't study me rather you just feel like complaining about me.
Can you quote where i talk against any religion?
It's when you come after me that i keep on asking for a better performing group than the one i presented!🥱
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 2:03am On Oct 06
MaxInDHouse:
That is Jesus you are talking about not me. He is the one who has the right to judge but as for me i only present the one and only true religion.
Have you ever seen me talk against Islam?
That's my former religion so had i want to talk about falsehood in religion that's the one i know very well but i don't because that is not my job what Jesus told me is to preach and teach about salvation which could only be attained through pure worship.
Your problem is that you don't study me rather you just feel like complaining about me.
Can you quote where i talk against any religion?
It's when you come after me that i keep on asking for a better performing group than the one i presented!🥱
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That has been the core course of your organization. Catholics are attacked, Anglican, pentikostals, and others.
Why are always asking for which church someone belongs?
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 6:36am On Oct 06
MightySparrow:
Hahaha 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
That has been the core course of your organization. Catholics are attacked, Anglican, pentikostals, and others.Why are always asking for which church someone belongs?
Try to be sincere each time you are commenting at least.

That organization says Jesus is the one directing them and this man called Jesus you yourself knew how he attacked false religions claiming worshipers of his God in the first century when he keeps on speaking about the things they ought to do but failed to do {Matthew 23:23} but do you see any of his disciples in their letters to the congregation mention any of the religions Jesus talked against?

Please try to be sincere, i don't speak about any religion it's the organization claiming Jesus is the one directing them that's speaking against false religions claiming they belong to the same God with him. So if you're quoting me please say exactly what i said not what the organization (Jesus) said. You can only ask me to expatiate on what Jesus (organization) said since i believe in Jesus and the organization but claiming that is what i said makes you a liar o.

Imagine me saying you said any individual who doesn't pay his tithe will go to HELLFIRE how will you feel? But that is what your Daddy G.O said (not you) and you believe he the man of your God. So instead of quoting him and claiming you said it rather i will quote exactly what you said!🤔
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 5:42pm On Oct 06
MaxInDHouse:
Try to be sincere each time you are commenting at least.

That organization says Jesus is the one directing them and this man called Jesus you yourself knew how he attacked false religions claiming worshipers of his God in the first century when he keeps on speaking about the things they ought to do but failed to do {Matthew 23:23} but do you see any of his disciples in their letters to the congregation mention any of the religions Jesus talked against?

Please try to be sincere, i don't speak about any religion it's the organization claiming Jesus is the one directing them that's speaking against false religions claiming they belong to the same God with him. So if you're quoting me please say exactly what i said not what the organization (Jesus) said. You can only ask me to expatiate on what Jesus (organization) said since i believe in Jesus and the organization but claiming that is what i said makes you a liar o.

Imagine me saying you said any individual who doesn't pay his tithe will go to HELLFIRE how will you feel? But that is what your Daddy G.O said (not you) and you believe he the man of your God. So instead of quoting him and claiming you said it rather i will quote exactly what you said!🤔
That is the delusion I am talking about. Which organization is claiming that Satan is controlling them? When you claim, 'only true religion', by whose standard: God's or GB's?
G.O of RCCG said whoever didn't pay tithe would go to hell. Yes, he said it. Another Pentecostal corrected him, he came out boldly to recount and apologize. Crefllo Dollar apologized. The system has a way of moderating excesses.

Am I defending Pastor Adeboye, yes, why not? He humbly apologized for his mistake. If he were to offend God and asked for forgiveness, would God forgive him? Why would a self acclaimed organization be looking for others errors as a topic of teaching or doctrine?

Do you remember the miracle wheat scandal of Charles Taze Russell?


The Miracle Wheat scandal was a 1911–1913 controversy involving Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Watch Tower Society (the precursor to Jehovah's Witnesses). Russell promoted and sold a special strain of seed wheat—donated by a grower named K.B. Stoner—for an inflated price of $1 per pound (or $60 a bushel), claiming it grew far more productively than regular grain, with the proceeds going to his religious society.
Key Details of the Scandal
• The Exposure: The Brooklyn Daily Eagle newspaper published a series of scathing articles in 1911 and 1912 exposing the seed as ordinary, low-quality wheat and labeling Russell's movement a money-making scheme.
• Government Testing: A U.S. government agricultural expert investigated the "Miracle Wheat" and reported that it performed poorly and tested below standard.
• The Libel Suit: Furious at the negative publicity, Russell sued The Brooklyn Daily Eagle for libel in 1913, but he lost the case after the court scrutinized the grain's claims and the organization's financial practices.
• Perspectives: Critics view the episode as a clear instance of financial exploitation and deceptive marketing by Russell. Conversely, official Watchtower publications have defended Russell, stating that the wheat was sold by the original grower who occasionally priced it even higher, that Russell did not personally profit, and that the funds were given entirely as voluntary contributions for missionary work.
Would you like to explore:
• More about Charles Taze Russell's trials and other controversies?
• How the Watch Tower Society evolved after Russell's death?
Let me know what you'd like to focus on next!
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Anyway, you have claimed that Jehovah overlooks your own imperfections and would not forgive others.gringrin


Remember, I am here to debunk lies and hypocrisy.
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 9:28pm On Oct 06
MightySparrow:
That is the delusion I am talking about. Which organization is claiming that Satan is controlling them? When you claim, 'only true religion', by whose standard: God's or GB's?
When Jesus said he is the only Way, Truth and Life many of his contemporaries also said Jesus and whoever believes in him are deluded.
So if you are not interested in the only true religion it's OK but claiming you believe what Jesus said some 2,000 years ago when you can't present any group following his footsteps is self deceit.
Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and many other first century Jews disagree with Jesus and his disciples.
WHY?
Because they claimed it's Moses who is not present they believe but as for the current prophet God was using in their time they said he is a fraud.
So your type has always been on this planet claiming they worship the same God with us but we will always tell you that you are not worshiping our God if you are not on the same page with us!🥱
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 2:23am On Oct 07
MaxInDHouse:
When Jesus said he is the only Way, Truth and Life many of his contemporaries also said Jesus and whoever believes in him are deluded.
So if you are not interested in the only true religion it's OK but claiming you believe what Jesus said some 2,000 years ago when you can't present any group following his footsteps is self deceit.
Pharisees, Sadducees, Scribes and many other first century Jews disagree with Jesus and his disciples.
WHY?
Because they claimed it's Moses who is not present they believe but as for the current prophet God was using in their time they said he is a fraud.
So your type has always been on this planet claiming they worship the same God with us but we will always tell you that you are not worshiping our God if you are not on the same page with us!🥱
No comment on the miracle wheat scandal?
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 7:00am On Oct 07
MightySparrow:
No comment on the miracle wheat scandal?
You need to step up with your IQ miracles/magic are supernatural acts so it depends on each person to determine whatever you want to call supernatural acts.
Meanwhile miracles do occur at the times most unexpected that is why most people who lived during the time of Jesus didn't believe what eyewitnesses say about his miracles.
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MightySparrow: 8:41am On Oct 07
MaxInDHouse:
You need to step up with your IQ miracles/magic are supernatural acts so it depends on each person to determine whatever you want to call supernatural acts.
Meanwhile miracles do occur at the times most unexpected that is why most people who lived during the time of Jesus didn't believe what eyewitnesses say about his miracles.
Pst Adeboye talked about tithe a and hell and that became an issue. There is Taze Russell miracle wheat scandal, you want to sweep it under the carpet? Miracle wheat is no miracle?gringrin


Here to debunk lies and hypocrisy
Re: JW O60 Is There Any Gathering Of Jesus' Real Disciples Today? by MaxInDHouse(op): 11:43am On Oct 07
MightySparrow:
Pst Adeboye talked about tithe a and hell and that became an issue. There is Taze Russell miracle wheat scandal, you want to sweep it under the carpet? Miracle wheat is no miracle?gringrin
Here to debunk lies and hypocrisy
What is miracle wheat again nah?

Guy you think this is about jokes shey?🤔
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