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KingCold:
leisure traveling, the actual traveling, not the fleeing, overstaying of visas or migration for greener pastures..

Here's clue. Your Stats SA keeps good numbers.

seppuku:
Clever boy. Trying to use an article to fit your narrative.

1. I asked you for the Stats not an article with "no numbers" to back up.

2. Mozambic, Mauritius, Namibia, Botswana- Don't make me fall off my seat Mfethu.

3. Please give me the "percentages" of outbound traveller's from your country and let us compare. I want to see something.

Im not trying to do anything, im supporting my argument with facts
That's not an article, its data drawn from different sources.
The stereotype says "South Africans dont travel" yet reserch says otherwise.

seppuku:
Not play down, run a comparison. What atrocities can you identify during the British administration that you feel was equivalent to that of South Africa.

Let's discuss one specific event shall, we?


How can we therefore be trapped in an environment in which we have the means to "escape"?




HIV is not "caused" by promiscuity. The disease is definitely spread by it and in South Africa that is a given.





I schooled in the US and have intermingled severally with African Americans from the days of the Nation of Islam folk to the Black moors down to the Hebrew Israelite folk.

This internet War and name calling is strictly an internet Phenomena peddled by this new age FBA cult who are pushing against the growing trend of the new "African" identity taking a strong hold in America culture.

African migrants starting from the 80's down to the 2010 were the original victims of insults and the likes.

If you want to go deeper into this discussion, please let me know.



This has nothing to do with my initial claim. Irrelevant.



You like to lie no?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/number-of-children-newly-infected-with-hiv



That's because there are only specific regions in the world where Malaria- Plasmodium falciparum actually exists and with the country's high population compared to other "Malaria infected areas," will carry a substantial proportion of any fatalities.

Context is everything my friend. Bantu education really did a number on your people?

No amount of yapping about " bantu education " will change the fact, you cant argue the facts presented.. just resorting to a slew if incoherent words and sentences with have nothing do with the topic discussed..

Apartheid and colonization, had parallels which other this is fact!, Apartheid wouldnt exist without colonization.. both had racial hierarchy, institutional and legalized descrimination, both had labour exploited, land was controlled and both were violent.. so what exactly is the back and forth for? Tha i cant name a central figure like Rhodes?

You said our mothers worked for the white man blah blah.. im saying thats what Nigerians do today by selling their belongings to work for the same white man in the west.. lets not drag what we all know

You initially claimed "HIV was spread by promiscuity" now you're backtracking.. HIV can be caused and spread by a variety of factors including mother to child. just reducing HIV infection to just a promiscuity disease, is not only careless, it is also ignorant and its reveals why HIV in Nigeria remains a stigmatized illness..

I don't care where you schooled homie, im telling you, that going around the world and calling your hosts all sort of names is causing you enemies than friends.. Black Americans complain daily of being disrespected by African immigrants.. and you calling them "jealous" or "lazy " is one of those reasons..

I also dont care how Malaria thrives in Nigeria.. it remains a problem in your country along with your malnutrition.. you can stop trying to sound smart.

KingCold:
Im not trying to do anything, im supporting my argument with facts
That's not an article, its data drawn from different sources.

KingCold:
The stereotype says "South Africans dont travel" yet reserch says otherwise.

1. Well those surveys definitely contradict this source right here which shows the total number of outbound residents/South Africans year on year and also demonstrates that they are primarily domestic travelers (inclusive of countries adjacent to them- Mozambic, Namibia, Botswana)

seppuku:
1. Well those surveys definitely contradict this source right here which shows the total number of outbound residents/South Africans year on year and also demonstrates that they are primarily domestic travelers (inclusive of countries adjacent to them- Mozambic, Namibia, Botswana)

Everything that you don't want to agree with, its either "contradiction" or "propaganda" or whatever reason you want to convince yourself of..

KingCold:
No amount of yapping about " bantu education " will change the fact, you cant argue the facts presented.. just resorting to a slew if incoherent words and sentences with have nothing do with the topic discussed..

Facts are one thing. Context is another.

Argue with that.

KingCold:
Apartheid and colonization, had parallels which other this is fact!, Apartheid wouldnt exist without colonization.. both had racial hierarchy, institutional and legalized descrimination, both had labour exploited, land was controlled and both were violent.. so what exactly is the back and forth for? Tha i cant name a central figure like Rhodes?

The purpose of comparison between West and South is to highlight the following;

1. The difference in scale of atrocities committed.

2. The governing systems employed in each region which contributed to the differences in scale of atrocities committed i.e. colonial/Settler

3. The difference in the psychological effects on the indigenous populations.

4. The difference in the impact and legacy to the indigenous population .

Pick any one and we can expanciate.

KingCold:
You said our mothers worked for the white man blah blah.. im saying thats what Nigerians do today by selling their belongings to work for the same white man in the west.. lets not drag what we all know

Most Africans work for the same global capitalist system my dear boy whether we japa overseas or stay behind in South Africa.

Don't get emotional about the comment about your mama's cleaning toilets at home. We are all in it together.

KingCold:
You initially claimed "HIV was spread by promiscuity" now you're backtracking..

No No no my friend, no back tracking here with the key word being "spread" not caused?

KingCold:
HIV can be caused and spread by a variety of factors including mother to child. just reducing HIV infection to just a promiscuity disease, is not only careless, it is also ignorant and its reveals why HIV in Nigeria remains a stigmatized illness..

HIV is "caused" by a virus.

HIV is spread by contact with infected bodily fluids via sexual promiscuity, blood transfusions, mother to child, sharing contaminated needles.

My claim was never that HIV is spread through "one" source.

Try again please.

KingCold:
I don't care where you schooled homie, im telling you, that going around the world and calling your hosts all sort of names is causing you enemies than friends.. Black Americans complain daily of being disrespected by African immigrants.. and you calling them "jealous" or "lazy " is one of those reasons..

Take it from one who has a lived experiences with Americans. You are wrong.

The so-called raging diasporan war going on online is a combination of several factors which include propaganda floating around about replacement theories, A stronger affinity and awareness of African culture by children of immigrant children born in the US, economic and Immigration issues.

Does any of this sound familiar to you my SA brather?

KingCold:
I also dont care how Malaria thrives in Nigeria.. it remains a problem in your country along with your malnutrition.. you can stop trying to sound smart.

That you don't care doesn't negate anything that I have said.

KingCold:
Everything that you don't want to agree with, its either "contradiction" or "propaganda" or whatever reason you want to convince yourself of..

Don't mind me then.

Here's more propaganda from your own people. It definitely contradicts you.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

seppuku:
Facts are one thing. Context is another.

Argue with that.



The purpose of comparison between West and South is to highlight the following;

1. The difference in scale of atrocities committed.

2. The governing systems employed in each region which contributed to the differences in scale of atrocities committed i.e. colonial/Settler

3. The difference in the psychological effects on the indigenous populations.

4. The difference in the impact and legacy to the indigenous population .

Pick any one and we can expanciate.





Most Africans work for the same global capitalist system my dear boy whether we japa overseas or stay behind in South Africa.

Don't get emotional about the comment about your mama's cleaning toilets at home. We are all in it together.





No No no my friend, no back tracking here with the key word being "spread" not caused?




HIV is "caused" by a virus.

HIV is spread by contact with infected bodily fluids via sexual promiscuity, blood transfusions, mother to child, sharing contaminated needles.

My claim was never that HIV is spread through "one" source.

Try again please.



Take it from one who has a lived experiences with Americans. You are wrong.

The so-called raging diasporan war going on online is a combination of several factors which include propaganda floating around about replacement theories, A stronger affinity and awareness of African culture by children of immigrant children born in the US, economic and Immigration issues.

Does any of this sound familiar to you my SA brather?




That you don't care doesn't negate anything that I have said.

Again... wordy response, again nothing said really, just a response for response sakes

seppuku:
Don't mind me then.

Here's more propaganda from your own people. It definitely contradicts you.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

lol, You're still crying that South Africa sits at the top of leisure travelling.. lol.. facts don't care about your feelings

KingCold:
lol, You're still crying that South Africa sits at the top of leisure travelling.. lol.. facts don't care about your feelings

Read my brother. Read.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

KingCold:
Again... wordy response, again nothing said really, just a response for response sakes

My responses do not require a response from you to be deemed valid.

They are there to be out there for intelligent minds to discern.

Your job is to state your points and let them be.

I am not competing here my dear boy.

seppuku:
My responses do not require a response from you to be deemed valid.

They are there to be out there for intelligent minds to discern.

Your job is to state your points and let them be.

I am not competing here my dear boy.

hahaha.. here we go..

seppuku:
Read my brother. Read.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

Still crying

KingCold:
Still crying

Read my brather. Read!


https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

seppuku:
Read my brather. Read!


https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350November2024.pdf

Read 🤷‍♀️

KingCold:
Read 🤷‍♀️

We shall continue to expose liars here who's hate for others clouds their judgement.

2025 figures-StatsSA's -number of South African/Resident and foreigners- inbound and outbound travelers and their mode of travel year on year.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350January2025.pdf

seppuku:
We shall continue to expose liars here who's hate for others clouds their judgement.

2025 figures-StatsSA's -number of South African/Resident and foreigners- inbound and outbound travelers and their mode of travel year on year.

https://www.statssa.gov.za/publications/P0350/P0350January2025.pdf

what does hate have to do with the fact that South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers? 😆

KingCold:
what does hate have to do with the fact that South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers? 😆

I suspect the hate you have for Nigerians clouds your ability to present information fairly and unbiased.

seppuku:
I suspect the hate you have for Nigerians clouds your ability to present information fairly and unbiased.

its not my problem that you're crushing out on the face of facts you dont wanna accept.. that's your cross to bear

KingCold:
its not my problem that you're crushing out on the face of facts you dont wanna accept.. that's your cross to bear

Those are not facts.

Facts are real numbers not articles that purport to support your opinions.

The real numbers do not support you.

seppuku:
Those are not facts.

Facts are real numbers not articles that purport to support your opinions.

The real numbers do not support you.

Lol, those number still dont debunk anything.
If you wanted to prove your point you would have juxtaposed those numbers with continental numbers..

KingCold:
Lol, those number still dont debunk anything.
If you wanted to prove your point you would have juxtaposed those numbers with continental numbers..

I don't need to. The conclusion is intuitive.

All you would have to do is take January's 2025 South Africa resident inbound/outbound numbers, multiply by 12 to get total number for the year , take that total and juxtapose to the total population size of Lagos alone to see how minuscule your travel numbers are.

The suggestion that your people would be at the apex of "leisure travel" would be an impossibility and in my opinion Ludacris.

seppuku:
I don't need to. The conclusion is intuitive.

All you would have to do is take January's 2025 South Africa resident inbound/outbound numbers, multiply by 12 to get total number for the year , take that total and juxtapose to the total population size of Lagos alone to see how minuscule your travel numbers are.

The suggestion that your people would be at the apex of "leisure travel" would be an impossibility and in my opinion Ludacris.

hahaha.. please provide valid proof that debunks the fact South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers.. domestic South African figures or your emotions and opinions simply do not cut it

KingCold:
hahaha.. please provide valid proof that debunks the fact South Africans are Africa's biggest leisure travelers.. domestic South African figures or your emotions and opinions simply do not count.

You really are bad at math aren't you.

Here's another example so you see how more clearly

Year -2025

South Africa-Total number of inbound/outbound travelers =813535 * 12= 9,762,420
% of travellers to population size=15%


Reduce the % of traveler to population size for Nigeria by 2/3rds of 15% to account for possible inbound/outbound travellers= 5%

Multiplly 5% by total population size of Nigeria (200,000,000)= 10,000,000

juxtapose both numbers.

Conclusion- Ludacris even after reducing total number of travellers by 2/3rds.

If you want I can give you real numbers for Nigerian travelers. We are just extrapolating here.

seppuku:
You really are bad at math aren't you.

Here's another example so you see how more clearly

Year -2025

South Africa-Total number of inbound/outbound travelers =813535 * 12= 9,762,420
% of travellers to population size=15%


Reduce the % of traveler to population size for Nigeria by 2/3rds of 15% to account for possible inbound/outbound travellers= 5%

Multiplly 5% by total population size of Nigeria (200,000,000)= 10,000,000

juxtapose both numbers.

Conclusion- Ludacris even after reducing total number of travellers by 2/3rds.

If you want I can give you real numbers for Nigerian travelers. We are just extrapolating here.

Dont care about your math..
Provide valid proof that South Africa isnt Africa's biggest source of leisure travelers..

Dont gaf about your emotions..
South africans dont travel right? This myth is not reflected anywhere on the stats

KingCold:
Dont care about your math..
Provide valid proof that South Africa isnt Africa's biggest source of leisure travelers..

Dont gaf about your emotions..
South africans dont travel right? This myth is not reflected anywhere on the stats

There is nothing emotional about math whether you care about it or not. It's cold and hard numbers.

Math does not lie.

seppuku:
There is nothing emotional about math whether you care about it or not. It's cold and hard numbers.

Math does not lie.

Neither do facts..

KingCold:
Neither do facts..

The below article states the number outbound travel which is HALF of your total outbound travel for the year 2025 and this is only "ONE" DESTINATION.

The math doesn't add up from your artcile any which way you want to spin this.

https://punchng.com/176000-nigerians-visited-ghana-in-2025/#google_vignette

Ghana has revealed that more than 176,000 Nigerians visited the country in 2025, making Nigeria its second-largest source of international visitors after the United States.

seppuku:
The below article states the number outbound travel which is HALF of your total outbound travel for the year 2025 and this is only "ONE" DESTINATION.

The math doesn't add up from your artcile any which way you want to spin this.

https://punchng.com/176000-nigerians-visited-ghana-in-2025/#google_vignette

Ghana has revealed that more than 176,000 Nigerians visited the country in 2025, making Nigeria its second-largest source of international visitors after the United States.

You're huffing and puffing all over the place..
Hahaha..
Ive provided more than one source, all saying the same thing.. take a rest man.. ive known you to deny the obvious, even when written in black and white, especially when it favors South Africa..

KingCold:
You're huffing and puffing all over the place..
Hahaha..
Ive provided more than one source, all saying the same thing.. take a rest man.. ive known you to deny the obvious, even when written in black and white, especially when it favors South Africa..

I repeat Math does not lie.

The only way this would fall to pieces is if your StatSA publish erroneous numbers and if we are to agree on this that means all metrics coming out from your country cannot be trusted including those ones you and Randdigital publish on here all the time.

You can't have it both ways my friend.

seppuku:
I repeat Math does not lie.

The only way this would fall to pieces is if your StatSA publish erroneous numbers and if we are to agree on this that means all metrics coming out from your country cannot be trusted including those ones you and Randdigital publish on here all the time.

You can't have it both ways my friend.

This thing is simple, if its not South Africa, show me the country that is the biggest in leisure traveling then.🤷‍♀️. We live in the information era for a reason

Im bored with your emotional rants already

seppuku:
I repeat Math does not lie.

The only way this would fall to pieces is if your StatSA publish erroneous numbers and if we are to agree on this that means all metrics coming out from your country cannot be trusted including those ones you and Randdigital publish on here all the time.

You can't have it both ways my friend.

This thing is simple, if its not South Africa, show me the country that is infact the biggest in leisure traveling then. 🤷. We live in the information era for a reason. Your StatsA stats simply showed how many people come in and out of South Africa, it doesnt compare these numbers with the continent

Im bored with your emotional rants already