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Roycemadeit:
THE PROBLEM WITH EDEN, ADAM AND THE ANIMALS

Genesis says God brought the animals to Adam, and Adam named them. Every creature got a name. Adam was basically the first man with a clipboard.

“Gajdn.”

“Elont.”

“Giopfe

Let us assume Adam spoke Hebrew. Fine. But the Bible never gives us Adam’s full animal list. Somewhere in heaven, there may be a missing document called: “Adam’s Original Names...”

Then there is Eden. Adam lived among the animals, but Genesis never tells us how many animals were there, where the garden ended, there should have been a border right? or whether animals could leave. Personally, I think that's where we'll find unicorn, griffin and other animals in Harry Potter.

Adam gets expelled. But what about the animals? Did the Elont say, “I’m staying. The rent is free”?

Then Noah’s Canoe arrives. Suddenly animals from everywhere must gather for the flood. But Genesis never explains how the Eden animals connected to the Ark animals, or how they later spread across the world. Personally, I think God confused their looks instead, that's why we have Leopards in Africa and Cougars in America.

That is a lot of travel for creatures that learn to build and paddle a submarine.😂

Then the flood covers the mountains. The waters remain for a long time and then evaporated within two winks. Noah sends out a raven, then a dove. The dove returns with a fresh olive leaf.

That is the real miracle.

Not just surviving the flood, finding a living olive tree afterward. Vegetation doing well after Forty days underwater? That tree needed nothing more than faith even chlorophyll and photosynthesis was subsidized.

And the dove is not the problem. Doves eat seeds, insects too but I think it lost knowledge of what to eat because he ignored insects in the ark but went after a leaf. a leaf from a tree, how did the tree survive? Who photosynthesied it?

The larger solution is that these stories are a complete history of humanity and animal life, they explain how the biology actually works.

Kobojunkie:
Why does it matter what names Adam gave the animals when today, most of the same animals go by different names in different languages and no chaos has been created by it all? 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜It matters because na iro nla

Kobojunkie:
How did you arrive at this conclusion? 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜All the animals in the world entered Ark... Even until know we haven't learned of all animals but Adam named them all... including different species of each...

Kobojunkie:
Why does it matter what names Adam gave the animals when today, most of the same animals go by different names in different languages and no chaos has been created by it all? 😒😒

Kobojunkie:
Well, according to evolution, animals from the same taxonomic family share a common ancestor from which they descended. So, all animals may not necessarily mean all of what we have today. Consider that the over 400,000 different species of beetles we have in the world today are all descended from just one common beetle ancestor. Consider also that there are over 330 different monkey species in the world today; however, they are all descended from a common monkey ancestor.😒😒

So, let's not deflect from the real issue here, which is the matter of the importance/or not, of the names of the animals. Why does it matter what names Adam gave the animals when today, most of the same animals go by different names in different languages and no chaos has been created by it all? 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜Genesis presents Adam as naming the animals, while Christians place him within a 6,000-year timeline. Evolution explains today's biodiversity through changes over millions of years.
➜ The contradiction arises when the bible claims Adam named every modern species while you are also using evolution to explain how those species developed. Many species would have existed long before Adam. Genesis offers no evolutionary timeline to reconcile these claims...

Kobojunkie:
1. And? 😒😒

2. The bible never says Adam named every modern species. That assumption is wholly yours! And my guess is because you have mentally concluded that, despite the book never in fact stating it, Adam was also created only 6000 years ago. The book instead says that Adam named all the creatures that were created, insinuating that the naming happened not long after the animals were created.😒😒

Roycemadeit:
If Adam named the creatures God created, the question is how that account accommodates the biodiversity we see today.
Saying he named only the creatures existing at the time doesn't resolve the issue; it simply leaves the origin of today's species unexplained by Genesis. You cannot claim the Bible explains the origin of all animals and then rely on evolution to fill in what it doesn't explain.

Kobojunkie:
What makes you so confident that one can't one do that which you describe in bold? 🤔🤔

Roycemadeit:
Perhaps, one has to understand what evolution is, before using evolution to justify biblical claims.

Kobojunkie:
I didn't ask you to explain evolution to me. Focus! I asked what makes you confident that one can claim the Bible explains the origin of all animals and then rely on evolution to fill in what it doesn't explain. Please answer what I asked. 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
You can reconcile Genesis with evolution, but then you're admitting Genesis doesn't fully explain the origin and diversity of animals.
➜ One cannot claim the Bible explains it all and then rely on evolution to explain what it leaves out.
➜ That reconciliation is your interpretation, not what Genesis actually says.

Kobojunkie:
Why should Genesis need to explain both when the focus of the chapters you got your OP from is on creation?😒😒

By the way, you have yet to answer my question.😒😒

2. Explains all of what? The book talks about the creation of animals and then the naming of those created animals. Where is this requirement that it explain it all coming from? The Book or you? 😒😒

3. I have yet to interpret a single thing here. Merely trying to get at the source of your claims. 😒😒

MAYBE YOU SHOULD REREAD MY INITIAL POST

Roycemadeit:
➜I'm not saying Genesis must explain everything. I'm saying that if the animals were created as the text describes, and Adam named them, then the account doesn't explain how we got today's biodiversity.
➜ You're now limiting the scope of Genesis to creation while using evolution to explain what happened afterward. That's a modern reconciliation, not an explanation supplied by Genesis itself.
➜ My point is that the two accounts don't automatically agree simply because you assign them different roles.

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, why do you require the accounts to explain "how we got today's biodiversity"?😒😒

2. I am not doing the limiting here. The writer of the book of Genesis literally limits his writing to events that include the creation and then the naming, and not much else. 😒😒

3. The book says nothing of evolution. I also didn't explain Genesis using evolution. I merely pointed out that modern biodiversity, which you seem focused on, is not addressed in the book. 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜no matter how much you try to explain genesis. It makes no sense

Kobojunkie:
You have it all wrong! I am not explaining Genesis. Matter of fact, I don't need to explain Genesis. I simply need to point out to you that your personal delusions... what your @OP desperately attempts to insert between the lines of what is contained in the Book... are just that, your delusions. 😒😒

The Book of Genesis makes no explicit mention of modern biodiversity - by the way, biodiversity results from evolution. So, when you force a discussion on biodiversity, you(not I) introduce evolution as well. I am just asking you to explain why you are so confident in making the claim you have repeatedly made. 😒😒

You are not delusional to believe a fictional character, Adam, named all the animals and birds in the world? . And it was you who mentioned evolution...

Roycemadeit:
➜You are not delusional to believe a fictional character, Adam, named all the animals and birds in the world? .
➜ And it was you who mentioned evolution...

Kobojunkie:
1. My belief/lack of belief is not what is on trial here. The discussion here is literally about you providing evidence for claims made regarding what is clearly written in the book of Genesis. 😒😒

2. You brought modern biodiversity, aka evolution, into this topic. I simply pointed out that Genesis speaks of the creation(and naming) of animals, and I also gave examples of how evolution is based on the idea that species from the same family share a common ancestor. 😒😒

You, however, have refused to answer question after question posed to you about the claims you made. 😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜Genesis says Adam named the animals God created, but we haven't even discovered all animal species today. You brought in evolution to argue that Adam may have named ancestral kinds rather than every modern species. But evolution takes millions of years, while biblical chronology puts Adam roughly 6,000 years ago. That's the contradiction I'm pointing out.
➜ Genesis doesn't mention evolution, so you can't use evolution to explain the diversity of animals and then act as though Genesis already accounted for it.[/color]
➜ What questions might you still have?

Roycemadeit:
All the animals in the world entered Ark... Even until now we haven't learned of all animals but Adam named them all... including different species of each...

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, you brought biodiversity, which is a result of evolution, into this discussion. I simply pointed it out. 😒😒

2. Then you are wrong for bringing up evolution, aka different species of each, when you did that. 😒😒

3. Scroll back up to see the questions I asked. However, since you already admitted that bringing up different species of the animals that were created in Genesis --- a result of evolution -- is wrong, then you have basically closed your own thread.😒😒

Roycemadeit:
➜Genesis says Adam named the animals, and I took that to mean all the animals, including their different species. You brought up common ancestry to argue that Adam didn't necessarily have to name every species we have today.
But Genesis itself doesn't say Adam named ancestral kinds that later evolved into today's species. That's your inference. And if we're bringing evolution into it, we also have to consider the millions of years involved, which doesn't fit the roughly 6,000-year biblical timeline Christians use.
➜ One can't use evolution to account for the diversity Genesis doesn't address, then act as though there's no tension between the two accounts.

Roycemadeit:
Do you recall this response of yours when I asked you why your conclusion was that Adam naming the Animals was a lie?
All the animals in the world entered Ark... Even until now we haven't learned of all animals but Adam named them all... including different species of each...

Roycemadeit:
Genesis presents Adam as naming the animals, while Christians place him within a 6,000-year timeline. Evolution explains today's biodiversity through changes over millions of years.
The contradiction arises when the bible claims Adam named every modern species while you are also using evolution to explain how those species developed.Many species would have existed long before Adam. Genesis offers no evolutionary timeline to reconcile these claims...

Kobojunkie:
1. And? 😒😒
2. The bible never says Adam named every modern species. That assumption is wholly yours! And my guess is because you have mentally concluded that, despite the book never in fact stating it, Adam was also created only 6000 years ago. The book instead says that Adam named all the creatures that were created, insinuating that the naming happened not long after the animals were created.😒😒

Kobojunkie:
To reiterate, you brought evolution into the debate from earlier. 😒😒

2. Now you are saying one can't bring evolution into it because of some 6000-year timeline.😒😒...So, kindly tell us where the claim you attribute to Christians...this 6000-year timeline...can be found in the Bible.😒😒

Add up the years of the fictional ancestors mentioned in the Bible, and you’ll arrive at that timeline. If you can’t do the arithmetic, read up on Bishop James Ussher, who calculated creation as 4004 BC.

I wasn’t the one dashing out years to people who may never have existed. I’m merely following the chronology provided by the book supposedly inspired by God. 😂

Roycemadeit:
➜Add up the years of the fictional ancestors mentioned in the Bible, and you’ll arrive at that timeline. If you can’t do the arithmetic, read up on Bishop James Ussher, who calculated creation as 4004 BC.
➜ I wasn’t the one dashing out years to people who may never have existed. I’m merely following the chronology provided by the book supposedly inspired by God. 😂

Kobojunkie:
From what is in fact written in the Book of Genesis, that creation occurred in 4004BC.