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LordReed:
Low level reasoning that has no appreciation of nuance. You just regurgitate half digested things you don't even care to understand.

How does either of these mean that future knowledge will INVALIDATE our current knowledge?

This is trolling I swear.

If it were discovered that malaria has nothing to do with mosquitoes who is invalidating whom?

LordReed:
Bwahahahahaha! How do you invent a company? Bro please go away you are simply out classed.

BTW he didn't invent anything. All the technology and ideas those companies use were already known or in development before he came along. Musk a hype man and hype men make money off gullible rubes like you.

Also store is closed no more feeding the troll for you.

See below. That's how you spell genius

LordReed:
This person is an intellectual ant in a clown suit.

You can say that again my friend.

sonmvayina:
There is no evidence that Jesus actually lived, so what would a real historian write about him?

It would be like writing a “history” of King Arthur or Robin Hood, about whom nothing is known but their names and some far-fetched legends.

Was the magical sword in the stone historical, or the bible’s “virgin birth”?

A serious historian would know there is no real evidence that Jesus existed.

Just hearsay.

All that we have is a “big fish” story in which a minnow became a whale.

How did that happen?

It happened because the gospels are fairytale book with:

A virgin birth
walking on water
A ludicrous ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE
and so on…
As with other books of ancient mythology, we can’t assume actual events are being depicted.

Thus, we have to seek confirmation outside the bible.

But no one who lived at the time Jesus allegedly lived wrote a single word about him.

The earliest extra-biblical mention we have of Jesus is an implausible blurb in the histories of Josephus, written long after the fact, if there are any facts.

Furthermore, 92.4% of scholars who expressed opinions deemed the blurb a christian forgery, either largely or entirely.

The next mention was by the Roman historian Tacitus, a century after the fact, and he got Pilate’s job title wrong, strongly suggesting that he was quoting what he had heard Roman christians say.

And hearsay is not evidence.

Thus there is no actual evidence that Jesus existed, or any of his apostles.

An honest historian would conclude that he couldn’t write a history of Jesus, only conjecture.

You are writing out of ignorance. History itself revolves around Jesus. Its either BC or AD. Any other dating system is with reference to this. There are Notable secular Historians who wrote about Jesus. Please, do your research well before displaying your ignorance in public.

You can't escape Jesus. One day, you will stand before him to be judged by him.

Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings. He is the head of all principalities and powers. Every knee must bow to him

sonmvayina:
Josephus introduced himself in all his works, but on the other hand the gospels all began life anonymously, nobody knew who actually wrote them. but i have a hunch, Mark was written by Eusebius and his lieutenants used it as abase to write the others.....john was written by someone who had strong learning in Greek philosophy...hence the logos and stuff...

Still, your point is not valid. We have so much accepted as academic history without knowing who the historian is.

Ken4Christ:
You are writing out of ignorance. History itself revolves around Jesus. Its either BC or AD. Any other dating system is with reference to this. There are Notable secular Historians who wrote about Jesus. Please, do your research well before displaying your ignorance in public.

You can't escape Jesus. One day, you will stand before him to be judged by him.

Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings. He is the head of all principalities and powers. Every knee must bow to him

you know what i can get for 1 kobo a dozen? opinion.
please enumerate just one person who actually saw him and what he wrote about him. i don't want your opinion. the OP is clear, Jesus is not found in any historical writings just religious book that we are asked to believe on faith...why? if it was real, it would have been real knowledge....
and for your information there is absolutely no where in the entire Tanakh where any prophet reported that God had a son he was sending as a sin sacrifice because God had already given a solution to the problem of sin and it does not involve sacrifice of any kind.

tctrills:
Still, your point is not valid. We have so much accepted as academic history without knowing who the historian is.

ok, so who saw Jesus when he lived and at least said something about him, it is impossible for the ''son of God'' to make an appearance and nobody noticed.


so who saw him.

let me make it easier for you, tell me one prophet who said God had a literal son that he was sending as a sin sacrifice or were God said he would sire a son by impregnating another mans wife....

sonmvayina:
ok, so who saw Jesus when he lived and at least said something about him, it is impossible for the ''son of God'' to make an appearance and nobody noticed.


so who saw him.

let me make it easier for you, tell me one prophet who said God had a literal son that he was sending as a sin sacrifice or were God said he would sire a son by impregnating another mans wife....

You asked 2 questions; the second question solves nothing. If no prophet said the very words you request of them, it still proves nothing.
Now to your first question
Paul on his way to Damascus.
Peter, his apostle, wrote 2 letters where he testified of Christ.
John the beloved also testified of Christ in his epistles.
Then we have the Gospels
In fact, there are very few historical people or events from 2000 years ago that are better preserved or that we have as much record or information about.
In fact, there are more eyewitness records of Jesus Christ than of Emperor Tiberius Caesar. The Roman emperor of His time.

sonmvayina:
you know what i can get for 1 kobo a dozen? opinion.
please enumerate just one person who actually saw him and what he wrote about him. i don't want your opinion. the OP is clear, Jesus is not found in any historical writings just religious book that we are asked to believe on faith...why? if it was real, it would have been real knowledge....
and for your information there is absolutely no where in the entire Tanakh where any prophet reported that God had a son he was sending as a sin sacrifice because God had already given a solution to the problem of sin and it does not involve sacrifice of any kind.

HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS BUT WERE NOT CHRISTIANS

Several ancient non-Christian writers and modern non-Christian scholars have written about Jesus of Nazareth, his life, his execution, the origins of Christianity, and the historical evidence surrounding him.

It is important to distinguish between ancient writers who mentioned Jesus and modern scholars who critically investigated his life and the claims made about him.

### PART ONE: ANCIENT NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS WHO MENTIONED JESUS

1\. Tacitus (c. AD 56-120)

Tacitus was a Roman historian. In his work Annals 15.44, he referred to Christ's execution during the reign of Emperor Tiberius under Pontius Pilate. His account was written in the early second century.

2\. Flavius Josephus (AD 37-c. 100)

Josephus was a Jewish historian who wrote Antiquities of the Jews. He mentioned Jesus in Book 18 and referred to James, the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, in Book 20. One passage about Jesus in Book 18 contains wording that scholars believe was altered by later Christian scribes.

3\. Pliny the Younger (c. AD 61-113)

Pliny was a Roman governor and letter writer. Around AD 112, he wrote to Emperor Trajan about Christians worshipping Christ. His letter, Letters 10.96, provides evidence that Christians were worshipping Jesus in the early second century.

4\. Suetonius (c. AD 69-after 122)

Suetonius was a Roman biographer and historian. In The Life of Claudius 25.4, he mentioned disturbances among Jews in Rome associated with someone called "Chrestus." Scholars disagree about whether this was a direct reference to Jesus Christ.

5\. Lucian of Samosata (c. AD 120-180)

Lucian was a Greek satirist who ridiculed Christians for worshipping a crucified man and following his teachings. His work The Passing of Peregrinus provides a non-Christian perspective on early Christian beliefs and the position Jesus occupied among his followers.

6\. Mara bar Serapion (date uncertain)

Mara bar Serapion was a Syriac philosopher whose letter referred to the execution of a "wise king" of the Jews. Some scholars associate this figure with Jesus, although the identification is uncertain and the date of the letter is debated.

### PART TWO: MODERN NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS

7\. Bart D. Ehrman

Bart Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar and historian who identifies as an agnostic and has expressed atheist leanings.

His book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, examines the historical evidence for Jesus. Although Ehrman rejects many traditional Christian doctrines, he argues that Jesus was a real historical person.

8\. Maurice Casey (1942-2014)

Maurice Casey was a British scholar who specialised in the New Testament and the Aramaic language.

His book, Jesus: Evidence and Argument or Mythicist Myths?, examines arguments about Jesus's existence. He was a non-religious scholar who argued that Jesus existed as a historical person.

9\. Gerd Lüdemann (1946-2021)

Gerd Lüdemann was a German New Testament scholar who became openly non-Christian.

He critically examined the New Testament accounts, the resurrection claims, and the development of early Christianity. His work is relevant to readers who want to understand how biblical claims are examined through historical criticism.

10\. Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier is an American historian of antiquity and an atheist.

His book, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt, challenges the conventional view that Jesus was a historical person. He argues that the evidence may be better explained by a mythical origin. His position is a minority view among scholars who study the historical Jesus.

### CONCLUSION

If you want to investigate Jesus using non-Christian sources, I recommend beginning with these three:

* Tacitus, Annals 15.44, for a Roman historian's reference to the execution of Jesus.

* Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Books 18 and 20, for a Jewish historian's references to Jesus and James.

* Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, for a modern scholarly examination of the evidence.

For a contrasting perspective, read Richard Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus.

An important distinction: A historian may accept that Jesus existed without believing that he was the Son of God, performed miracles, or rose from the dead. Establishing whether Jesus existed historically is a different question from establishing the truth of Christian theological claims.

Also, not every ancient writer listed above was a historian in the modern professional sense, and not every reference provides independent evidence for all the details of Jesus's life.

tctrills:
You asked 2 questions; the second question solves nothing. If no prophet said the very words you request of them, it still proves nothing.
Now to your first question
Paul on his way to Damascus.
Peter, his apostle, wrote 2 letters where he testified of Christ.
John the beloved also testified of Christ in his epistles.
Then we have the Gospels
In fact, there are very few historical people or events from 2000 years ago that are better preserved or that we have as much record or information about.
In fact, there are more eyewitness records of Jesus Christ than of Emperor Tiberius Caesar. The Roman emperor of His time.

The Biblical evidence for Jesus is biased because it is encased in a theological text written by committed believers., What i really want to know is: Is there extra-Biblical evidence … for Jesus’ existence?”

Ken4Christ:
HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS BUT WERE NOT CHRISTIANS

Several ancient non-Christian writers and modern non-Christian scholars have written about Jesus of Nazareth, his life, his execution, the origins of Christianity, and the historical evidence surrounding him.

It is important to distinguish between ancient writers who mentioned Jesus and modern scholars who critically investigated his life and the claims made about him.

### PART ONE: ANCIENT NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS WHO MENTIONED JESUS

1\. Tacitus (c. AD 56-120)

Tacitus was a Roman historian. In his work Annals 15.44, he referred to Christ's execution during the reign of Emperor Tiberius under Pontius Pilate. His account was written in the early second century.

2\. Flavius Josephus (AD 37-c. 100)

Josephus was a Jewish historian who wrote Antiquities of the Jews. He mentioned Jesus in Book 18 and referred to James, the brother of Jesus who was called Christ, in Book 20. One passage about Jesus in Book 18 contains wording that scholars believe was altered by later Christian scribes.

3\. Pliny the Younger (c. AD 61-113)

Pliny was a Roman governor and letter writer. Around AD 112, he wrote to Emperor Trajan about Christians worshipping Christ. His letter, Letters 10.96, provides evidence that Christians were worshipping Jesus in the early second century.

4\. Suetonius (c. AD 69-after 122)

Suetonius was a Roman biographer and historian. In The Life of Claudius 25.4, he mentioned disturbances among Jews in Rome associated with someone called "Chrestus." Scholars disagree about whether this was a direct reference to Jesus Christ.

5\. Lucian of Samosata (c. AD 120-180)

Lucian was a Greek satirist who ridiculed Christians for worshipping a crucified man and following his teachings. His work The Passing of Peregrinus provides a non-Christian perspective on early Christian beliefs and the position Jesus occupied among his followers.

6\. Mara bar Serapion (date uncertain)

Mara bar Serapion was a Syriac philosopher whose letter referred to the execution of a "wise king" of the Jews. Some scholars associate this figure with Jesus, although the identification is uncertain and the date of the letter is debated.

### PART TWO: MODERN NON-CHRISTIAN HISTORIANS AND SCHOLARS WHO WROTE ABOUT JESUS

7\. Bart D. Ehrman

Bart Ehrman is an American New Testament scholar and historian who identifies as an agnostic and has expressed atheist leanings.

His book, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, examines the historical evidence for Jesus. Although Ehrman rejects many traditional Christian doctrines, he argues that Jesus was a real historical person.

8\. Maurice Casey (1942-2014)

Maurice Casey was a British scholar who specialised in the New Testament and the Aramaic language.

His book, Jesus: Evidence and Argument or Mythicist Myths?, examines arguments about Jesus's existence. He was a non-religious scholar who argued that Jesus existed as a historical person.

9\. Gerd Lüdemann (1946-2021)

Gerd Lüdemann was a German New Testament scholar who became openly non-Christian.

He critically examined the New Testament accounts, the resurrection claims, and the development of early Christianity. His work is relevant to readers who want to understand how biblical claims are examined through historical criticism.

10\. Richard Carrier

Richard Carrier is an American historian of antiquity and an atheist.

His book, On the Historicity of Jesus: Why We Might Have Reason for Doubt, challenges the conventional view that Jesus was a historical person. He argues that the evidence may be better explained by a mythical origin. His position is a minority view among scholars who study the historical Jesus.

### CONCLUSION

If you want to investigate Jesus using non-Christian sources, I recommend beginning with these three:

* Tacitus, Annals 15.44, for a Roman historian's reference to the execution of Jesus.

* Flavius Josephus, Antiquities of the Jews, Books 18 and 20, for a Jewish historian's references to Jesus and James.

* Bart D. Ehrman, Did Jesus Exist? The Historical Argument for Jesus of Nazareth, for a modern scholarly examination of the evidence.

For a contrasting perspective, read Richard Carrier's On the Historicity of Jesus.

An important distinction: A historian may accept that Jesus existed without believing that he was the Son of God, performed miracles, or rose from the dead. Establishing whether Jesus existed historically is a different question from establishing the truth of Christian theological claims.

Also, not every ancient writer listed above was a historian in the modern professional sense, and not every reference provides independent evidence for all the details of Jesus's life.

all these are after the myths...

i want somebody who actually saw him....

are you telling me , that nobody actually saw him? and that all we have are hear saysss

common man, and you want me to base my life on it?


give me somebody who actually saw him, maybe one of the 5000+ men that he was said to have fed....you cant tell me no one actually wrote anything down.....

sonmvayina:
The Biblical evidence for Jesus is biased because it is encased in a theological text written by committed believers., What i really want to know is: Is there extra-Biblical evidence … for Jesus’ existence?”

That is the way you choose to see it. Who do you think wrote most of the history of ancient Rome? Do you think the writers were not biased? Yet you take their works as academic facts, and you believe them.
Callisthenes of Olynthus was Alexander the Great's official campaign historian and publicist.
He was a Greek historian and the nephew/student of the philosopher Aristotle (who was Alexander's tutor).
He accompanied Alexander on his Asiatic expedition to record his campaigns. We do not accuse him of bias.
It seems you are the biased one here, and you should open your mind.

sonmvayina:
all these are after the myths...

i want somebody who actually saw him....

are you telling me , that nobody actually saw him? and that all we have are hear saysss

common man, and you want me to base my life on it?


give me somebody who actually saw him, maybe one of the 5000+ men that he was said to have fed....you cant tell me no one actually wrote anything down.....

There are clouds of witnesses to Jesus birth, death and resurrection. Even till date, so many still see him. Some Muslims who converted to Christianity in our days saw Jesus.

If Jesus wasn't real, the world wouldn't use him as the centre of history. History itself revolves around Jesus.

And you will certainly see him one day. Every knee must bow to Jesus.

Go to Israel and see evidence of where he was buried. Do you prepare a grave for someone who never existed.

Your unbelief is demonic. So 4 witnesses, Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John is not enough for you?

Even today, Jesus is still changing lives and performing miracles. Is this not enough proof.

Ask him to come into your heart right now and you will experience an immediate transformation that proves he is alive.

DeepSight:
You can say that again my friend.

Bro when you have the chance listen to this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcpQkvBCACw

QuinQ:
See circled below. How does a "language tree" become sentient or conscious??

What sort of language is this and why are you speaking it

LordReed:
Bro when you have the chance listen to this:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcpQkvBCACw

Hello
I sent a mail to you as Flames


The elements have brought me back here


I used to be hell victorinho, u grab?

THE BIBLE IS THE WORD OF GOD, IS JESUS, IS GOD AND IS THE MOST SUPREME ACADEMIC HISTORY BOOK.

Ken4Christ:
There are clouds of witnesses to Jesus birth, death and resurrection. Even till date, so many still see him. Some Muslims who converted to Christianity in our days saw Jesus.

If Jesus wasn't real, the world wouldn't use him as the centre of history. History itself revolves around Jesus.

And you will certainly see him one day. Every knee must bow to Jesus.

Go to Israel and see evidence of where he was buried. Do you prepare a grave for someone who never existed.

Your unbelief is demonic. So 4 witnesses, Matthew, Mark ,Luke and John is not enough for you?

Even today, Jesus is still changing lives and performing miracles. Is this not enough proof.

Ask him to come into your heart right now and you will experience an immediate transformation that proves he is alive.

all these your emotional rant is not what i am asking you, you cant tell me that the so called 'son of God' made an appearance and nobody actually saw him. it does not make any sense. if he was the one promised by God the creator, why would God not raise witnesses to the event who will document it, why is it that all we have are materials written in the third person by anonymous people? . You keep saying there are clouds of witnesses, but you have not provided one single person who was witness to the christian scriptures....


no one. why is that?

tctrills:
That is the way you choose to see it. Who do you think wrote most of the history of ancient Rome? Do you think the writers were not biased? Yet you take their works as academic facts, and you believe them.
Callisthenes of Olynthus was Alexander the Great's official campaign historian and publicist.
He was a Greek historian and the nephew/student of the philosopher Aristotle (who was Alexander's tutor).
He accompanied Alexander on his Asiatic expedition to record his campaigns. We do not accuse him of bias.
It seems you are the biased one here, and you should open your mind.

you cant tell me that the so called "son of god" made an appearance and nobody noticed, all we have are books written by anonymous people who never met him, and all written in the third person, the writers are all far removed from the stories they are telling. they dont know anybody who knows anybody in the story they are telling. it was other people who added those names so as to deceive people as been written by apostles or disciples....who is to say that the people who wrote it were not writing fictions or a play meant for an audience, imagine how the writer knew the exact words of Jesus when everybody who was there were all fast asleep. but the audience needs to know....
and all the so called copies that was said to be written post Nicaea are no where to be found, all we have are all copies written post Nicaea just before the synod of Hippo, when they finally agreed on a canon.......

common man. Alexander was in not so far away in Egypt, He wrote about first century Judea but not a single line about Jesus. why is that?

[quote author=sonmvayina post=141013553]I am not getting your point. If you look at the events of the life of Jesus through the lens of ancient history, you will agree that the records meet every academic standard.
You may not agree with them, but looking at the record from a purely academic point of view, it would be dishonest to discredit them, as they meet almost every top standard of the time.

In historical-critical analysis, scholars evaluate ancient texts using specific criteria.


1. The Paper Trail Test (Manuscript Evidence)

Think of this like checking how many copies of an ancient book we have, and how close those copies are to the day the author originally wrote it. The more copies we have, the easier it is to spot typos and know exactly what the original said.
We have over 5,800 ancient Greek copies of the New Testament. If you count other early languages, there are over 20,000.
Other famous ancient history books usually only have a few copies left. For example, Homer’s famous poem The Iliad has fewer than 2,000 copies, and other Roman history books only have a tiny handful.
The oldest scrap of the New Testament we have was written just a few decades after the original author wrote it. For regular Roman or Greek history books, our oldest copies were written 500 to 1,000 years after the author died!

2. The "Right Place, Right Time" Test (Proximity)

In history, a story is way more trustworthy if it was written while people who actually saw the events happen were still alive.
The entire New Testament was finished within 20 to 70 years of Jesus's death. In ancient history, that is incredibly fast.
Our best history books about Alexander the Great were written 400 years after he died. Yet, historians still trust them. The New Testament books were written so quickly that people who were there could have easily stood up and said, "Hey, that didn't happen!" if it was made up.

3. The Local Knowledge Test (Geographical Accuracy)

If you write a story about a real place, you need to get the details right. The New Testament gets the exact geography, politics, and local culture of the 1st century perfectly right.
The author of the book of Acts perfectly names the exact, specific political titles for different Roman leaders. These titles changed all the time, but he gets them right every single time.
The Gospels name real places in Jerusalem, like specific pools and buildings, that existed before Rome destroyed the city in 70 CE. Modern archaeologists have dug up these exact spots, proving the authors knew the area perfectly.

4. The Fact-Check Test (Outside Sources)

Historians love it when writers who weren't part of a group still mention that group's history. The main events of the New Testament are backed up by non-Christian writers from the same time period.
• Tacitus (Roman Historian): Wrote that a man named "Christus" was executed by Pontius Pilate while Tiberius was the Roman Emperor.
• Josephus (Jewish Historian): Mentioned the execution of "James, the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ," and also wrote about John the Baptist.
• Pliny the Younger (Roman Governor): Wrote letters to the Emperor complaining that Christians were spreading fast and meeting early in the morning to sing to Christ like he was a god.

5. The "Awkward Details" Test (Embarrassment)

If you are making up a fake story to make your team look awesome, you don't include embarrassing stories about yourself. The New Testament is full of awkward moments that make the authors look bad, meaning they were likely just telling the truth.
The leaders of the early church (the Apostles) are described as clueless, cowardly, and constantly arguing. Peter even denies he knows Jesus three times out of fear.
•In all four Gospels, women are the very first people to see that Jesus rose from the dead. In ancient Roman and Jewish cultures, women weren't allowed to testify in court because people didn't trust them. If the authors were making up a fake story to trick the world, they never would have picked women to be the star witnesses.



Now, people like you will say: "But the New Testament talks about miracles, so it can't be real history!"
The truth is, regular historians don't throw away a whole book just because it mentions something supernatural. Ancient history books about Julius Caesar or other Roman emperors are packed with weird omens, prophecies, and stories about the gods, but historians still use those books to learn real facts.
Or as you suggested, the authors were biased Christians, not neutral reporters!
Again, almost nobody in the ancient world was neutral. Roman historians wrote to make their emperors look good or to teach a moral lesson. Being biased doesn't mean you are lying. It just means you have to compare their writing with archaeology and other clues, which, as we've seen, match up perfectly.

sonmvayina:
all these your emotional rant is not what i am asking you, you cant tell me that the so called 'son of God' made an appearance and nobody actually saw him. it does not make any sense. if he was the one promised by God the creator, why would God not raise witnesses to the event who will document it, why is it that all we have are materials written in the third person by anonymous people? . You keep saying there are clouds of witnesses, but you have not provided one single person who was witness to the christian scriptures....


no one. why is that?

Those who saw him wrote an account of him but you don't believe. Stay in your unbelief until you land in hell. Then, you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you.

Even Noah ark which was recorded in the Bible thousands of years before the birth of Christ has been discovered in the very mountain the Bible said it rested. The dimensions are exactly as stated in the Bible

The Bible is the most reliable book on earth. Everything contained in it is truth. The choice is yours.

Ken4Christ:
Those who saw him wrote an account of him but you don't believe. Stay in your unbelief until you land in hell. Then, you will curse the day your mother gave birth to you.

Even Noah ark which was recorded in the Bible thousands of years before the birth of Christ has been discovered in the very mountain the Bible said it rested. The dimensions are exactly as stated in the Bible

The Bible is the most reliable book on earth. Everything contained in it is truth. The choice is yours.

The bible is a spiritual manual, not a history textbook. you read it and learn the messages in it and incorporate it into your daily life., simply put, it is for moral and spiritual instructions. Not a history text. The Noah story is an adaptation of a Babylonian myth. The message is that it is God that creates and it is also God that destroys.......not a separate God for creation and another for destruction. it is same God.
Jesus has Got nothing to do with the God who creates and Destroys. he is not needed for anything. when we sin and strain our relationship with God, it is still us that has to fix or mend it. Gods hands are not short, they are always stretched out. he simply told us...CONFESS AND FORSAKE, I WILL FORGIVE AND REMEMBER YOUR SINS NO MORE. That is what a loving father would do, not ask for a human sacrifice. human sacrifice belongs to the realm of lucifer...That is why in the entire Tanakh, there is no Jesus, he is not Gods plan .


he was created by the romans to lead you astray....no two ways to it.

sonmvayina:
check this out, just download this on pdf. it would be worth your while....and FyI, We are two different people......any sensible person would have figured that out since....
https://www.academia.edu/83522705/Mesopotamian_Civilization_and_the_Origins_of_the_New_Testament

Thank you.
Kindly email me the PDF copy to kemeticphilosophy AT gmail

sonmvayina:
The bible is a spiritual manual, not a history textbook. you read it and learn the messages in it and incorporate it into your daily life., simply put, it is for moral and spiritual instructions. Not a history text. The Noah story is an adaptation of a Babylonian myth. The message is that it is God that creates and it is also God that destroys.......not a separate God for creation and another for destruction. it is same God.
Jesus has Got nothing to do with the God who creates and Destroys. he is not needed for anything. when we sin and strain our relationship with God, it is still us that has to fix or mend it. Gods hands are not short, they are always stretched out. he simply told us...CONFESS AND FORSAKE, I WILL FORGIVE AND REMEMBER YOUR SINS NO MORE. That is what a loving father would do, not ask for a human sacrifice. human sacrifice belongs to the realm of lucifer...That is why in the entire Tanakh, there is no Jesus, he is not Gods plan .


he was created by the romans to lead you astray....no two ways to it.

You need to be delivered from the spirit of unbelief.

Ken4Christ:
You need to be delivered from the spirit of unbelief.

This has always been your defense mechanism.. God said through the prophet Hosea that 'my people perish for lack of Knowledge'( not unbelief).. they were worshipping the Baals and Asherah's as a form of intermediary to him, he punished them severely and in another time he let their enemy ravage them and take them to exile. God explicitly told them " Do Not Have Any Other GOD Before Me" it means NO INTERMEDIARY OR MIDDLE MAN" and also that they should not do the things they do in where he is sending them which included sacrificing their children to Moloch, Why would a loving God ask or demand for a human sacrice? do you even read to understand or you just follow your pastor aimlessly....my guy learn oh.
you cant still be deep in idolatry in this day and age....not acceptable...

musicwriter:
Thank you.
Kindly email me the PDF copy to kemeticphilosophy AT gmail

on a different side, what's your claim to kemet? that you are using it for email?

Do you realize that there are no eyewitness accounts of Jesus and the gospels were written by anonymous authors?

YES

Where does this leave us?

And the problem is worse than it sounds because the gospels were written like fantasy novels with omniscient narrators who knew what the Sanhedrin, Pharisees, Sadducees and Pilate were thinking, saying and doing behind closed doors.

Furthermore, these omniscient narrators knew, word-for-word, what Jesus was praying when all his disciples were asleep and he was alone by himself.

Omniscient narrators are a dead giveaway that we are reading fiction.

Then there is the even heavier problem that the authors of the gospels kept changing what Jesus said on the cross.

If Jesus was god, or the son of god, his last words would have been the most sacred words ever uttered by human lips.

Think about it.

Would you change your mother’s or father’s or best friend’s last words?

Heaven forbid,

But the authors of the gospels did change Jesus’s last words on the cross.

That tells us one of two things:

EITHER

None of the authors were true believers and they had no compunctions about putting their words in Jesus’s mouth.

OR

One of the authors knew the authors of the other gospels were lying, meaning three of the four gospels were written by liars and nonbelievers.

Who turns god or the son of god into a mouth puppet, as he hangs on a cross?

If one told the truth, how can we know the three who were lying?

sonmvayina:
on a different side, what's your claim to kemet? that you are using it for email?

The region of Ethiopia, Sudan, Egypt was called KMT in ancient times.

After our ancient African ancestors moved up North thousands of years ago, that's where humanity developed the HIGHEST intellectual and spiritual level ever. They laid the foundation for everything now known to us by different names around the world

Ken4Christ:
You are writing out of ignorance. History itself revolves around Jesus. Its either BC or AD. Any other dating system is with reference to this. There are Notable secular Historians who wrote about Jesus. Please, do your research well before displaying your ignorance in public.

You can't escape Jesus. One day, you will stand before him to be judged by him.

Jesus is the Lord of lords and King of kings. He is the head of all principalities and powers. Every knee must bow to him

people have transitioned to using CE and BCE.

It is no longer a thing for the same reason i raised in this thread.

tctrills:
Still, your point is not valid. We have so much accepted as academic history without knowing who the historian is.

because they are many genres in literature......
so for all i know the author was writing a theological fiction for a stage play...

sonmvayina:
people have transitioned to using CE and BCE.

It is no longer a thing for the same reason i raised in this thread.

Christ is still the dividing line. It's just a change of name. It's to please haters of Christ