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Ankakh:
Zelensky was spitting facts in that interview.

Trump would be livid.

Putin will just be laughing.

Let's not forget: Putin invaded Ukraine in 2022. No provocation from anywhere. That can't be allowed. If not, it's jungle justice season.

How can you say "No Provocation from anywhere"?
There are many, many analysis on the provocation that led to that invasion, by many American Analyssts and Europeans Analysts.

Dont listen to just CNN or only those major Western Media owned by the "Zionist Jew-lensky Crew" tell you, read widely, listen to ALL sides and then determine what you think is the Truth!


If you can listen to the interview below, it is between an Ukrainian \academic and an former American Ambassador and Professor of International Affairs. hopefully, it can shed more light on the PROVOCATIONS that led to the War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6Yqx-e3Z0

DrAda:
Unfortunately Zelensky, Trump only respects those whom he perceives as strong.

So, is Ukraine and Zelensky Strong? Or very Weak?
Does going around begging for Money and Weapons, even when you are humiliated by Trump, shows you are strong?
A Country that cannot pay the salary of his Soldiers, except the President goes around begging for Money from the EU and America, Is that a Strong Country?

A Country that was told by an American Senator (Graham Linsday) that "he should fight till his last Ukrainian Citizien is killed" and is doing so, just as his Population is halved, land is halved, Ports are Closed, Capital is destroyed and he himself hides inside bunkers, 90% of the time (except when flanked by President of another NATO Country!), is that one a Strong Country?
Is that a strong President or a Stewpid President? Sacrificing your own People for the ego of another Country?

Let us leave Propaganda for APC, Ukraine should have begged Russia and signed the ceasefire, immediately Russia agreed to the Istanbul Ceasefire Agreement but he too wants to flex Muscle that he does not have.

Small Ukraine wants to roll with the Main Big Boys like America, Russia, China, even when upcoming Boys like Germany, Britain, France, Turkey are not daring to dare Russia?

Zelensky is just DELUSIONAL, he thinks Ukraine is a "World Power", simply because it has American and European backing, not knowing that it is just an aggressive Chihuahua.

smallsmall:
So, is Ukraine and Zelensky Strong? Or very Weak?
Does going around begging for Money and Weapons, even when you are humiliated by Trump, shows you are strong?
A Country that cannot pay the salary of his Soldiers, except the President goes around begging for Money from the EU and America, Is that a Strong Country?

A Country that was told by an American Senator (Graham Linsday) that "he should fight till his last Ukrainian Citizien is killed" and is doing so, just as his Population is halved, land is halved, Ports are Closed, Capital is destroyed and he himself hides inside bunkers, 90% of the time (except when flanked by President of another NATO Country!), is that one a Strong Country?
Is that a strong President or a Stewpid President? Sacrificing your own People for the ego of another Country?

Let us leave Propaganda for APC, Ukraine should have begged Russia and signed the ceasefire, immediately Russia agreed to the Istanbul Ceasefire Agreement but he too wants to flex Muscle that he does not have.

Small Ukraine wants to roll with the Main Big Boys like America, Russia, China, even when upcoming Boys like Germany, Britain, France, Turkey are not daring to dare Russia?

Zelensky is just DELUSIONAL, he thinks Ukraine is a "World Power", simply because it has American and European backing, not knowing that it is just an aggressive Chihuahua.

We are saying the same thing. Trump has no respect for those he considers weak

PepeXKermit:
Oh you will support Israel who is an aggressor but castigate Russia who according to you is also an aggressor? The hypocrisy stinks to high heavens

How is Israel the aggressor??
was it Israel that told Hama's/Palestine to attack Israel on oct7, so in your mind, after Hama's attacked Israel on oct7, Israel should have invited them for a tea party so that you will be happy ba? you must be dreaming, Hamas / Palestine started a violent war against Israel in oct7 and they will live the rest of their lives regretting that action till this world will come to and end, even the teen God in Iran was not spared.

Ideyontop:
Check the number of human lives lost, the pain and sorrows it brought the family members did I hear you say profit?

Unfortunately, the principalities and powers that run the world, do not see it in the light you do...is the economy booming? Re they making money? If its yes, then any other thing can be replaced

Worldinchaos:
What should have been the best way around this conflict being that they were attacked by Russia?
Just a sincere question, please

I like people who ask sincere questions and want sincere answers, it shows they are open to new information and compelling arguements.

Now, we can not start a tape measure from the middle, we usually start from the beginning!
Russia did not just attack Ukraine.
Ukraine constituted itself into an "Existential Danger", to Russia: By insisting it will join NATO, knowing that it shares a Border with Russia and NATO is an adversary trying to dismantle Russia!
That means it takes NATO Missiles under Two Minutes, to enter Russian territory.

It is like having Russian or Chinese Nukes on Mexican Soil or in Canada, America will not think twice before invading Mexico or Canada.

It is called the "Munroe Doctrine". Please read it up and get up to speed as well, on the "Cuban Crisis", when USSR tried to station Russian Missiles in Cuba.

Russia wrote a lot of Letters in 2020 and 2021, to the UN, to America, to the EU Parliament, to China, to African Union, to about anybody that will listen and can prevail on Ukraine not to go ahead. Russia warned that it will have No Choice than to invade Ukraine and force it to change its stance, if it will not change course.
BUT ZELENSKY REFUSED.

To your Question: The best way around this conflict would have been for Ukraine to understand that Major Powers have "areas of influence" and they would not tolerate an adversary stationing weapons or having direct influence in Countries within such area of influence.
In doing so, it will take Russia's concerns into consideration and not join NATO but work with Russia, the way Mexico is working with America, to ensure Peace between them.
That is before the War.

Now that the war has started and is ongoing, what is the best way around it?
Russia and Ukraine will always be "Neighbors", that is the reality of Geography!

Neighbors have two choices:
1) Settle your Differences amicably or
2) Fight (attack or defense) until one Conquers and Assimilate the other.

Which option would you advise Ukraine/Zelensky to take?

Obviously, Zelensky wants to Fight (he calls it "Defend" until Russia is defeated (and then Russia, being the looser, will be broken up into smaller pieces by Zelensky's backers, it's resources taken and it's people assimilated).

The problem with this Option is that Zelensky's Neighbor is just too powerful for Zelensky to defeat, even if the war goes on for another 100years!

That makes the Option 2 he has chosen, to be a foolish one, because what is the point of engaging in a fight you are bound to loose?
Wise people 'retreat tactically'.

If he takes Option 1 NOW, which is what he should have taken, when the opportunity came knocking (Istanbul Ceasefire Agreement), he would tell Putin: You Win, we Lost. We agree not to join NATO but please, give us an Iron-Clad Guarantee that, as long as we dont join NATO and we are not a Hostile Neighbor to Russia, you will never invade us.

I believe Russia will accept this, because that is what they want all along and as well, they had that sort of Agreement with FInland, but it held for over 80years, until last Year, when Finland suddenly slipped into NATO (along with Sweden, sensing that Russia was still busy with the Ukraine War! But this Ukraine War will end and then they would realize the mistake they have made )

All other minor but equally important issues can then be discussed and ironed out in phases (Ethnic Ukrainians, Donbass and other Regions taken in War by Russia, Russian Orthodox Churches plundered by Ukrainian Government, issue of "Banderites" and Nazis in Lviv and other parts of Ukraine, etc

But Zelensky will not agree to PEACE, as long as it has One Ukrainian still alive and it's backers are providing it with MONEY and WEAPONS. He loots some of the Money, sells some of the weapons on the Black Market and his people die in Battle, using the rest.
The failed European Leaders backing him will not even allow him to choose PEACE, thy would kpai him instead, and he knows this.

Russia on the other hand, knows what an existential threat Ukraine has become and it will ENFORCE SURRENDER, at one point or the other so, it keeps attacking, killing and claiming territory of its "Existential Enemy"....Zelensky's Ukraine, until they surrender or die.

To avoid this end-game, Donald Trump is trying to force Zelensky out and so as allow Ukraine to put forward another President, who can, and is ready to NEGOTIATE Option 1 (Peace settlement on Russia's Terms), with Russia.
He knows Ukraine cannot win this war and Zelensky is a dead-man walking, better to do it sooner than later.

That is the Devil's alternative: Either way, Zelensky is Toast.

Caveat: Just my Opinion, from how l read the situation, l dont claim absolute or any special knowlege of what```` is at play and no one shoudl take my opinion seriously, they are just for academic purposes only

You are entitled to your opinion. Have a slendid weekend

PepeXKermit:
As sentimental as you are, the world has proven tine and time again, that might makes right. You can cry all day about it but its the truth and pure unadulterated reality. If Zelensky had been self sufficient like Iran who has been under sanction for the last 47 years and still able to stand against two strong countries, the world wiuld have accorded him the respect he deserves... respect is earned and not by begging. Zelensky is a beggar and beggars get treated anyhow. Same applies to you yuseless continent....

Are you insinuating that Trump is afraid of Putin? Be careful comedian

God1000:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/10/22/donald-trump-peace-ukraine-war-russia-kyiv-strikes-witkoff/?

Ideyontop:
Can we ask the honest questions? What provoked Russia to start in the first place? Who made that decision to carry out the action that provoked the war? Let's ask the deep questions.

( That being said, I do not support in any way the killings by Russia nor Ukraine. I hate wars, it has NEVER really profited any nation)

Well, Russia had always wanted Ukraine back.
I think the removal of Ukraine's former president, Viktor Yanukovych by mass protests felt like a betrayal to Putin, because Yanukovych loved Russia more than the West. He lost an important ally in Ukraine's government, then went ahead to retaliate by annexing crimea and other parts (can't recall right now), making incursions into Ukrainian territory.
By now, Ukraine must have been pushed further into joining the NATO for defense against Russia... And from there, it spills out of control.
That's the little I understand though

Like he doesn't know they have little respect for so-called friends.

"Being an enemy of America is dangerous; being its friend is fatal." - Henry Kissinger

"Anyone who dines at the court of a tyrant has become his slave, even though he went there a free man." - Some wise man

PepeXKermit:
Last kick of a dying horse. Bro has been very active on the internet than the battle field in the last weeks. UKRAINE will soon capitulate.

EU have destroyed their economy fighting Russia that why there is protest everywhere in Europe because of high cost of living.
How can you cancel your cheap Russia gas and paying times 4 of buying from India who still buy from Russia and USA who don’t care about EU?

Ideyontop:
I will suggest that Zelensky resigns immediately and let a new President of Ukraine go meet Putin face to face for a talk and end the war immediately. Ukraine has been destroyed significantly by this unnecessary war. There was no need for this war in the first place.

Its more better that Zelensky Meet Putin in Beijing and both of them should end themselves in China so that young people can live.

Smartguyboy:
EU have destroyed their economy fighting Russia that why there is protest everywhere in Europe because of high cost of living.
How can you cancel your cheap Russia gas and paying times 4 of buying from India who still buy from Russia and USA who don’t care about EU?

That is EU liberal logic

smallsmall:
How can you say "No Provocation from anywhere"?
There are many, many analysis on the provocation that led to that invasion, by many American Analyssts and Europeans Analysts.

Dont listen to just CNN or only those major Western Media owned by the "Zionist Jew-lensky Crew" tell you, read widely, listen to ALL sides and then determine what you think is the Truth!


If you can listen to the interview below, it is between an Ukrainian \academic and an former American Ambassador and Professor of International Affairs. hopefully, it can shed more light on the PROVOCATIONS that led to the War.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=So6Yqx-e3Z0

I maintain there is no provocation whatsoever that caused the war. Yes, there were events that happened but none at the scale that should lead to war. Basically, there are corresponding responses to certain actions. VVP is ex-KGB. He knows the game. He's been at it for a long time. There are different levers he can continue to play against Ukraine (as he has been doing in the past - influencing elections, precipitating riots, intelligence coups, targeted hit jobs among others). It's like saying Hitler invading Poland in 1939 was okay because he felt aggrieved because of how WW1 ended. No. The world didn't accept that. We knew how that went.

Again, we must not forget that Russia reneged on their Budapest 1994 agreement regarding security guarantees for Ukraine. Some will also argue that NATO did the same. But did NATO invade anyone? What will invading Ukraine actually get Russia? What has it gotten them so far except sanctions, chaos and death?

Peacecore:
The clown is already funding Russia to kill the Ukrainians by buying their oil worth of billions of dollars

The "Clown" needs the Oil for his Country, he cant get it from the Middle East anymore, he cant get enough from small suppliers like Nigeria but he can get it massively and even cheaper from Russia!

What do you expect him to do or do you think he is as stewpid as those European Leaders who cut themselves off from Russian Oil/Gas, started De-Industrializing, Economy Nosedive, Inflation Skyrockets, Recession-loaded, Citizens are Rioting and protesting the resulting Hardship and to make matters worse, they are buying the same Russian Oil, as rebranded from 3rd parties like India and America, at four times the Price Russia was selling it to them, before their madness entered follow-come!

Moreover, when Biden was acting like the doodle he is, imposing Sanctions on Russian Energy Products, did that stop Russia from driving Zelensky out of Donbass or taking over 30% of Ukraine?
Persin Pass you, You come say na Small!

DJT is everything except Stewpid, unlike your own Clown who goes to greet Macron in France and then get left in Paris, while his Host Macron personally goes to present his Country to the World at UNGA81.

smallsmall:
The "Clown" needs the Oil for his Country, he cant get it from the Middle East anymore, he cant get enough from small suppliers like Nigeria but he can get it massively and even cheaper from Russia!

What do you expect him to do or do you think he is as stewpid as those European Leaders who cut themselves off from Russian Oil/Gas, started De-Industrializing, Economy Nosedive, Inflation Skyrockets, Recession-loaded, Citizens are Rioting and protesting the resulting Hardship and to make matters worse, they are buying the same Russian Oil, as rebranded from 3rd parties like India and America, at four times the Price Russia was selling it to them, before their madness entered follow-come!

Moreover, when Biden was acting like the doodle he is, imposing Sanctions on Russian Energy Products, did that stop Russia from driving Zelensky out of Donbass or taking over 30% of Ukraine?
Persin Pass you, You come say na Small!

DJT is everything except Stewpid, unlike your own Clown who goes to greet Macron in France and then get left in Paris, while his Host Macron personally goes to present his Country to the World at UNGA81.

Was Narendra Modi getting the oil for spirit when he called him all sorts of names? You now see what hypocrite is?

Ankakh:
I maintain there is no provocation whatsoeve[/b]r that caused the war. Yes, there were events that happened but none at the scale that should lead to war. Basically, there are corresponding responses to certain actions. VVP is ex-KGB. He knows the game. He's been at it for a long time. [b]There are different levers he can continue to play against Ukraine (as he has been doing in the past - influencing elections, precipitating riots, intelligence coups, targeted hit jobs among others). It's like saying Hitler invading Poland in 1939 was okay because he felt aggrieved because of how WW1 ended. No. The world didn't accept that. We knew how that went.

Again, we must not forget that Russia reneged on their Budapest 1994 agreement regarding security guarantees for Ukraine. Some will also argue that NATO did the same. But did NATO invade anyone? What will invading Ukraine actually get Russia? What has it gotten them so far except sanctions, chaos and death?

You are speaking from both sides of the Mouth Sir!
Putting has been using those "levers" you talked about, since 2004!
He even signed and Agreement with Ukraine (Minsk I in Sept. 2014, and Minsk II in December 2015), guaranteed by Germany, France, UK and the United Nations but we all heard the Leaders of those Countries, later come out to say they did not honor those Agreement, because they had No Intention of honoring it from the start, that they just used it to buy more time to better arm Ukraine to face Russia in War!
I heard it from former German Chancellor, Angella Merkel, with my ears and eyes.
Putin was "signing agreement", looking for a Peaceful way out of the issue, while Ukraine was being Armed to the teeth, to NATO Standards as they said.
They were[b] putting Missiles on Russia's borders with Ukraine, setting-up Bio-WE@pons Labs specifically engineers for Russians, in many locations in Ukraine[/b], while putting was writing Letters to everybody, pleading to avoid outright War but they said he can go jump-off a Cliff!

Is Russia supposed to be begging them, till it gets too late and then gets annihilated or shattered into pieces, as they did to USSR in 1990? You think Putin has No Sense of History?
Can any Nation try the Nonsense taking place in Ukraine, in Mexico or Canada or any Latin American Country, with America?

What you "maintain" does not change the facts on the Battlefield nor change Past event.
We all need to stop pretending and be fair to Russia, they are also humans and deserve the same respect as we accord other people.
Go and check European History, Russia has always been under attack from its jealous and poor (lacking in Natural resources) neighbors, from the Middle Ages.
But Russia has ALWAYS beat them silly and thi sone will be no exception,

Mark this Post Sir.

Peacecore:
Was Narendra Modi getting the oil for spirit when he called him all sorts of names? You now see what hypocrite is?

Bros, let us stop being emotional about War, it is a do or die event, not a game!

He may be a Hypocrite, and l agree with you, but every Leader of a Country, whether India, or America or Russia or Germany or Ukraine (except Nigeria!), always act in the best interest of their own Consumers, when it comes to Energy Security and Trade.

That is what "Sovereignty" is all about, for Leaders who are not Puppets or Agents of another Country.
Yo make your own Decisions, in your best interest

Do you know how much India has grown, economically and militarily, since this Russia-Ukraine War started?

Those Leaders who are "Smart" are taking advantage of both sides (even the E.U Leaders are taking advantage of Ukraine or why did they not send their own Soldiers and Citizens directly into Battle, on behalf of Ukraine?)....
India sees the advantage and took it. EU Leaders say they are using Ukraine War to test New Weapons, improve their Combat readiness for War with Russia, .... why should Trump be the exception?
Even Nigeria should have taken Advantage by using this period to ask Russia to construct a Nuclear Power Plant for it, solving our Electricity Problems, once and for all. Egypt did so, Rwanda did so, Turkey did so, Bangladesh did so, and other Countries l cant readily remember now...... Countries with Leaders that have Sense and Vision.

ComingKing:
Its more better that Zelensky Meet Putin in Beijing and both of them should end themselves in China so that young people can live.

Leaders of World Powers dont just meet any riff-raff randomly!
Such Leaders only meet, to RATIFY/SIGN an Agreement that has been ironed out initially by their Foreign Ministers and other relevant Agencies involved in the Matter.

Shey you want that Coke-Head to be shouting at Putin, in a Meeting?
Despite his age, Grand Master Putin (Jujistu), Chess Grand Master, bare-chested Lion Fighter, etc, to be exchanging words with one Green Lilliputian that is always intoxicated with Drugs?
Putin will break that Comedian into pieces, within a few Seconds, if he dares get aggressive in Putin's presence!

Cmmon, dont disrespect Putin and Russia. It will never happen, not until an Ahreement has been reached, and all issued sorted out by their Aides.

Putin, The GREATEST President Alive.

smallsmall:
You are speaking from both sides of the Mouth Sir!
Putting has been using those "levers" you talked about, since 2004!
He even signed and Agreement with Ukraine (Minsk I in Sept. 2014, and Minsk II in December 2015), guaranteed by Germany, France, UK and the United Nations but we all heard the Leaders of those Countries, later come out to say they did not honor those Agreement, because they had No Intention of honoring it from the start, that they just used it to buy more time to better arm Ukraine to face Russia in War!
I heard it from former German Chancellor, Angella Merkel, with my ears and eyes.
Putin was "signing agreement", looking for a Peaceful way out of the issue, while Ukraine was being Armed to the teeth, to NATO Standards as they said.
They were[b] putting Missiles on Russia's borders with Ukraine, setting-up Bio-WE@pons Labs specifically engineers for Russians, in many locations in Ukraine[/b], while putting was writing Letters to everybody, pleading to avoid outright War but they said he can go jump-off a Cliff!

Is Russia supposed to be begging them, till it gets too late and then gets annihilated or shattered into pieces, as they did to USSR in 1990? You think Putin has No Sense of History?
Can any Nation try the Nonsense taking place in Ukraine, in Mexico or Canada or any Latin American Country, with America?

What you "maintain" does not change the facts on the Battlefield nor change Past event.
We all need to stop pretending and be fair to Russia, they are also humans and deserve the same respect as we accord other people.
Go and check European History, Russia has always been under attack from its jealous and poor (lacking in Natural resources) neighbors, from the Middle Ages.
But Russia has ALWAYS beat them silly and thi sone will be no exception,

Mark this Post Sir.

Let's just be clear on the facts on the ground: before the first Minsk agreement of 2014, Russia already invaded Crimea and militarily supporting the armed rebellion of the Eastern region. Not to mention that Russia repeatedly violated the agreements. All that happened before Merkel said what she said (so context matters).

All Ukraine is doing is protecting her territory and accepting necessary support from Western leaders. Let's not try and re-write history like Ukraine is the aggressor.

smallsmall:
Bros, let us stop being emotional about War, it is a do or die event, not a game!

He may be a Hypocrite, and l agree with you, but every Leader of a Country, whether India, or America or Russia or Germany or Ukraine (except Nigeria!), always act in the best interest of their own Consumers, when it comes to Energy Security and Trade.

That is what "Sovereignty" is all about, for Leaders who are not Puppets or Agents of another Country.
Yo make your own Decisions, in your best interest

Do you know how much India has grown, economically and militarily, since this Russia-Ukraine War started?

Those Leaders who are "Smart" are taking advantage of both sides (even the E.U Leaders are taking advantage of Ukraine or why did they not send their own Soldiers and Citizens directly into Battle, on behalf of Ukraine?)....
India sees the advantage and took it. EU Leaders say they are using Ukraine War to test New Weapons, improve their Combat readiness for War with Russia, .... why should Trump be the exception?
Even Nigeria should have taken Advantage by using this period to ask Russia to construct a Nuclear Power Plant for it, solving our Electricity Problems, once and for all. Egypt did so, Rwanda did so, Turkey did so, Bangladesh did so, and other Countries l cant readily remember now...... Countries with Leaders that have Sense and Vision.

Well said but Trump should stop bullying others when they want to exercise their sovereign power.

Ankakh:
Let's just be clear on the facts on the ground: before the first Minsk agreement of 2014, Russia already invaded Crimea and militarily supporting the armed rebellion of the Eastern region. Not to mention that Russia repeatedly violated the agreements. All that happened before Merkel said what she said (so context matters).

All Ukraine is doing is protecting her territory and accepting necessary support from Western leaders. Let's not try and re-write history like Ukraine is the aggressor.

I would say you should try and read the History of that area properly, instead of picking and choosing what soothes your narrative!
Go an dlearn about the Ethnic Composition of Russia, then learn about the Ethnic composition of Ukraine and finally, learn about the Ethnic Composition of Crimea and Donbass.

A short answer for you, is that Ukraine was created artificially, by Russian Empress, Catherine the Great.
It was A GIFT to one of her Supporters in War. What then happened is that you have Ethnic Russians being "gifted", as Original Ukraine.
Then that 'gifted part' broke away from USSR in 1990/91.

The problem is that there is a group of Ukrainians who are NOT of Ethnic Russian Origin, who are Racist-Nazis and Supremacists.
When Ukraine broke away from USSR, these Ukrainians said they were the "superior" Ukrainians and that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine are inferior Humans, some of them even went further to say they are not Humans but Cockroaches (reminds one of what happened in Rwanda!).
They said thy wanted to 'CLEANSE' Ukraine of these Cockroaches and started a systematic Ethnic Cleansing of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
These Ukrainian Supremacist Killer Squads were led by a man called Stephen Bandera. he led a Group called the Banderites.

Ethnic Russians who were in the Eastern parts of Ukraine were being slaughtered and wiped-off by the Nazi Banderites and they cried to Mother Russia.
They conducted a Referendum and voted overwhelmingly that they wanted to go back to Russia and be Russians, since they speak Russian Language and are Ethnic Russians.
Instead of allowing them to leave peacefully, the Ukrainian Government led by these Banderites, unleashed war on them.

Then in 2012-2013 or so, Ukraine had an Election and the man who won was an Ethnic Russian man named Victor Yanukovitch.
He was willing was willing to give a limited autonomy to the Ethnic Russians in Donbass Region (Luhansk and Donetsk).

The Nazi Banderites will have non of this, they set fire to the local Municipal Building where the Ethnic Russian-Ukrainians were having a meeting and BURNED the people inside ALIVE (Google it and you will still find the account).

They then sought to kill the President, Yanukovitch and he was swiftly evacuated out of Ukraine by Russian Forces, back to Russia. (I am certain this man will be the next President of Donbass and liberated territories, once the Russia-Ukraine war is over.)

Then the Banderites started going from House-to-House, hunting and killing the Ethnic Russians in the Easter and Southern parts of Ukraine.
The Ethnic Russians again begged "Mother Russia" to come to their aid and Russian forces invaded Crimea, drove away the Banderites and "gave effect" to the Crimean Referendum where these Ethnic Russians in Crimea, voted to be part of Russia.

The above is a detailed summary of why Russia invaded and seized Crimea in 2014.

Same thing repeated itself in 2021, when Ukraine, led by Zelensly, despite Two Agreements to grant autonomy to the Ethnic Russian in Donbass, which Ukraine agreed was a a gimmick to arm themselves properly, ...Ukrainian Banderites in their Military started using weapons of War (Tanks, Rockets, Missiles, Grenades, etc) to shell "its own People" who were Ethnic Russians in Donbass.
Their Langugae was banned, their Churches were seized and plundered, they were being shelled and killed like Rats

The People resisted but then, Ukrainian Military was too powerful for them.
They cried out once again to 'Mother' Russia for liberation.
Russia then started writing letters to everyone that could prevail on Ukraine to stop its act of Genocide.
But Biden called it trash, and said what can Russia do? EU told Russia to shut up. United Nations just turned a deaf ear and pretended it did not et any Letter.

Then Russia launched its Special Military Operation (SMO), initially to just "jolt Ukrainian President Zelensky" into responding positively to Russia's concerns, including the potential integration of Ukraine into NATO.

Russia was a few kilometer from rolling into Kiev but they then went to Istanbul and had a meeting which produced a ceasefire Agreement, with one of the conditions being that Russia should, as a show of goodwill, withdraw it's forces back from Kiev.

Russia agreed, signed and withdrew it forces back. (Istanbul 2022 agreement)
Boris Johnsonn flew to Ukraine and asked Zelensky not to sign the Agreement, asked him to "keep fighting" and promised him weapons.

The rest is where we are today. Ukraine is bleeding, Zelensky is crying that Elon Musk is not supporting him with Starlinks, that Trump i not giving him weapons or slowing down Starshield for his use!

Should you not have your own Weapons, if you want to fight or is he that stewpid not to realize that he should not have allowed himself to be pushed to the "edge of a Cliff"...... and he must now jump alone?

It is not easy but l have gone to this extent, to explain what is really going on to you because some of you like to take things from the middle and then run with it.
You can read all these things but just dont read only Western Media outlets, read others from other Non-aligned Countries and then make up your own mind.

Peacecore:
Well said but Trump should stop bullying others when they want to exercise their sovereign power.

I agree but have you ever come across an American President who is not a bully?
Did Obama not bully Libya and invaded it?
Did Bush not bully Iraq and invaded it?
Did Clinton not bully Serbia and broke Kossovo away from it?
I can go on and on!
America is a 'Hegemonic Power' and bullying others is "normal" to such Powers.
Almost half of America, formerly belonged to Mexico but it was forcefully taken away from Mexico.
That is Bullying.

But Ukraine, a country that is not even a Regional Power, has No Business allowing itself to be pushed into War with its very Powerful Neighbor!
That is Su!c!de

smallsmall:
I agree but have you ever come across an American President who is not a bully?
Did Obama not bully Libya and invaded it?
Did Bush not bully Iraq and invaded it?
Did Clinton not bully Serbia and broke Kossovo away from it?
I can go on and on!
America is a 'Hegemonic Power' and bullying others is "normal" to such Powers.
Almost half of America, formerly belonged to Mexico but it was forcefully taken away from Mexico.
That is Bullying.

But Ukraine, a country that is not even a Regional Power, has No Business allowing itself to be pushed into War with its very Powerful Neighbor!
That is Su!c!de

Then the problem is when one-sided people try to whitewash Trump while painting Obama and co in dark lights.

smallsmall:
I would say you should try and read the History of that area properly, instead of picking and choosing what soothes your narrative!
Go an dlearn about the Ethnic Composition of Russia, then learn about the Ethnic composition of Ukraine and finally, learn about the Ethnic Composition of Crimea and Donbass.

A short answer for you, is that Ukraine was created artificially, by Russian Empress, Catherine the Great.
It was A GIFT to one of her Supporters in War. What then happened is that you have Ethnic Russians being "gifted", as Original Ukraine.
Then that 'gifted part' broke away from USSR in 1990/91.

The problem is that there is a group of Ukrainians who are NOT of Ethnic Russian Origin, who are Racist-Nazis and Supremacists.
When Ukraine broke away from USSR, these Ukrainians said they were the "superior" Ukrainians and that the ethnic Russians in Ukraine are inferior Humans, some of them even went further to say they are not Humans but Cockroaches (reminds one of what happened in Rwanda!).
They said thy wanted to 'CLEANSE' Ukraine of these Cockroaches and started a systematic Ethnic Cleansing of Ethnic Russians in Ukraine.
These Ukrainian Supremacist Killer Squads were led by a man called Stephen Bandera. he led a Group called the Banderites.

Ethnic Russians who were in the Eastern parts of Ukraine were being slaughtered and wiped-off by the Nazi Banderites and they cried to Mother Russia.
They conducted a Referendum and voted overwhelmingly that they wanted to go back to Russia and be Russians, since they speak Russian Language and are Ethnic Russians.
Instead of allowing them to leave peacefully, the Ukrainian Government led by these Banderites, unleashed war on them.

Then in 2012-2013 or so, Ukraine had an Election and the man who won was an Ethnic Russian man named Victor Yanukovitch.
He was willing was willing to give a limited autonomy to the Ethnic Russians in Donbass Region (Luhansk and Donetsk).

The Nazi Banderites will have non of this, they set fire to the local Municipal Building where the Ethnic Russian-Ukrainians were having a meeting and BURNED the people inside ALIVE (Google it and you will still find the account).

They then sought to kill the President, Yanukovitch and he was swiftly evacuated out of Ukraine by Russian Forces, back to Russia. (I am certain this man will be the next President of Donbass and liberated territories, once the Russia-Ukraine war is over.)

Then the Banderites started going from House-to-House, hunting and killing the Ethnic Russians in the Easter and Southern parts of Ukraine.
The Ethnic Russians again begged "Mother Russia" to come to their aid and Russian forces invaded Crimea, drove away the Banderites and "gave effect" to the Crimean Referendum where these Ethnic Russians in Crimea, voted to be part of Russia.

The above is a detailed summary of why Russia invaded and seized Crimea in 2014.

Same thing repeated itself in 2021, when Ukraine, led by Zelensly, despite Two Agreements to grant autonomy to the Ethnic Russian in Donbass, which Ukraine agreed was a a gimmick to arm themselves properly, ...Ukrainian Banderites in their Military started using weapons of War (Tanks, Rockets, Missiles, Grenades, etc) to shell "its own People" who were Ethnic Russians in Donbass.
Their Langugae was banned, their Churches were seized and plundered, they were being shelled and killed like Rats

The People resisted but then, Ukrainian Military was too powerful for them.
They cried out once again to 'Mother' Russia for liberation.
Russia then started writing letters to everyone that could prevail on Ukraine to stop its act of Genocide.
But Biden called it trash, and said what can Russia do? EU told Russia to shut up. United Nations just turned a deaf ear and pretended it did not et any Letter.

Then Russia launched its Special Military Operation (SMO), initially to just "jolt Ukrainian President Zelensky" into responding positively to Russia's concerns, including the potential integration of Ukraine into NATO.

Russia was a few kilometer from rolling into Kiev but they then went to Istanbul and had a meeting which produced a ceasefire Agreement, with one of the conditions being that Russia should, as a show of goodwill, withdraw it's forces back from Kiev.

Russia agreed, signed and withdrew it forces back. (Istanbul 2022 agreement)
Boris Johnsonn flew to Ukraine and asked Zelensky not to sign the Agreement, asked him to "keep fighting" and promised him weapons.

The rest is where we are today. Ukraine is bleeding, Zelensky is crying that Elon Musk is not supporting him with Starlinks, that Trump i not giving him weapons or slowing down Starshield for his use!

Should you not have your own Weapons, if you want to fight or is he that stewpid not to realize that he should not have allowed himself to be pushed to the "edge of a Cliff"...... and he must now jump alone?

It is not easy but l have gone to this extent, to explain what is really going on to you because some of you like to take things from the middle and then run with it.
You can read all these things but just dont read only Western Media outlets, read others from other Non-aligned Countries and then make up your own mind.

Thank you for taking us through a complicated history but here’s the central problem with your comment: it mixes genuine historical facts with major chronological errors and claims that are not supported by the evidence.

Again, I'll focus on the key point: The focus is on sovereignty, not to pretend either country has an uncomplicated history.

Now, let's fact-check the key claims:
- “Catherine the Great created Ukraine.” — False. She expanded the Russian Empire into Ukrainian-inhabited territories in the 18th century, but Ukrainian political and cultural identity developed over centuries. Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union in 1991 and received overwhelming public support in a nationwide referendum.

- “Banderites led an ethnic cleansing campaign against ethnic Russians after 1991.” — Unsupported. Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist leader who died in 1959. 1959! C'mon now. His movement's history includes collaboration with Nazi Germany and involvement in atrocities, but that does not establish a post-1991 campaign of ethnic cleansing against Russian speakers.

- “The 2014 Crimea referendum legitimized joining Russia.” — Misleading. The referendum took place AFTER Russian forces took control of Crimea. The UN General Assembly declared it invalid and reaffirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity. Ethnic composition does not automatically confer sovereignty over territory.

- “Ukrainian forces committed genocide in Donbas.” — Not established. The UN documented civilian deaths and abuses during the conflict, including casualties from shelling. But documented suffering is not proof of genocide. In March 2022, the International Court of Justice ordered Russia to suspend its military operations; it did not accept Russia's genocide allegation as an established justification for the invasion.

- “Yanukovych was elected in 2012–13.” — False. He won the presidential election in 2010 and fled Ukraine in February 2014 after mass protests.

- “Boris Johnson killed an agreed Istanbul peace deal.” — Unproven. Negotiations occurred, but no completed agreement was ready for signature. Major disputes remained over territory, security guarantees and Ukraine's future military posture.

Ukraine's sovereignty does not disappear because many residents of a region speak Russian or identify ethnically as Russian. Equally, Ukraine has obligations to protect Russian-speaking citizens and minorities. Russia's security concerns can be debated, but they do not automatically grant it the right to invade, annex territory or decide Ukraine's alliances.

The same principle applies to every country: a powerful neighbour does not acquire ownership of a smaller neighbour because it dislikes its politics or claims historical entitlement. If not, what kind of world would we be living in?

Your comment is treating ethnicity as a property deed, a disputed referendum as a universal permission slip in a secondary school, and an unfinished negotiation as a signed peace treaty. No, context matters. And facts matter.

History can explain why a conflict exists; it CANNOT magically legalize conquest.

If sovereignty counts only when it favours Moscow, that isn't a principle of international law. It's imperialism wearing a history textbook as a disguise. And the world is smarter than that. If not, why did the world stand against Hitler?

goslowgoslow:
Delulu stop posting gibberish.

Get power first.

Peacecore:
Then the problem is when one-sided people try to whitewash Trump while painting Obama and co in dark lights.

They are all THE SAME THING, in that they all serve American/Israeli Hegemonic interest, often controlled by "the Deep State, Military Industrial Complex and /Israeli lobby group like AIPAC..... with just small-small variations between them (for example: Obama is not shamelessly and brazenly greedy/self enriching as Trump!).

Ankakh:
Thank you for taking us through a complicated history but here’s the central problem with your comment: it mixes genuine historical facts with major chronological errors and claims that are not supported by the evidence.

Again, I'll focus on the key point: The focus is on sovereignty, not to pretend either country has an uncomplicated history.

Now, let's fact-check the key claims:
- “Catherine the Great created Ukraine.” — False. She expanded the Russian Empire into Ukrainian-inhabited territories in the 18th century, but Ukrainian political and cultural identity developed over centuries. Ukraine declared independence from the Soviet Union in 1991 and received overwhelming public support in a nationwide referendum.

- “Banderites led an ethnic cleansing campaign against ethnic Russians after 1991.” — Unsupported. Stepan Bandera was a Ukrainian nationalist leader who died in 1959. 1959! C'mon now. His movement's history includes collaboration with Nazi Germany and involvement in atrocities, but that does not establish a post-1991 campaign of ethnic cleansing against Russian speakers.

- “The 2014 Crimea referendum legitimized joining Russia.” — Misleading. The referendum took place AFTER Russian forces took control of Crimea. The UN General Assembly declared it invalid and reaffirmed Ukraine's territorial integrity. Ethnic composition does not automatically confer sovereignty over territory.

- “Ukrainian forces committed genocide in Donbas.” — Not established. The UN documented civilian deaths and abuses during the conflict, including casualties from shelling. But documented suffering is not proof of genocide. In March 2022, the International Court of Justice ordered Russia to suspend its military operations; it did not accept Russia's genocide allegation as an established justification for the invasion.

- “Yanukovych was elected in 2012–13.” — False. He won the presidential election in 2010 and fled Ukraine in February 2014 after mass protests.

- “Boris Johnson killed an agreed Istanbul peace deal.” — Unproven. Negotiations occurred, but no completed agreement was ready for signature. Major disputes remained over territory, security guarantees and Ukraine's future military posture.

Ukraine's sovereignty does not disappear because many residents of a region speak Russian or identify ethnically as Russian. Equally, Ukraine has obligations to protect Russian-speaking citizens and minorities. Russia's security concerns can be debated, but they do not automatically grant it the right to invade, annex territory or decide Ukraine's alliances.

The same principle applies to every country: a powerful neighbour does not acquire ownership of a smaller neighbour because it dislikes its politics or claims historical entitlement. If not, what kind of world would we be living in?

Your comment is treating ethnicity as a property deed, a disputed referendum as a universal permission slip in a secondary school, and an unfinished negotiation as a signed peace treaty. No, context matters. And facts matter.

History can explain why a conflict exists; it CANNOT magically legalize conquest.

If sovereignty counts only when it favours Moscow, that isn't a principle of international law. It's imperialism wearing a history textbook as a disguise. And the world is smarter than that. If not, why did the world stand against Hitler?

If it will take me a lot of time to correct each item you responded to, point-b-point and today it very busy.
For example, you CONFUSED Stephan Bandera (1959), a Person, Nazi collaborator, with "Banderites", a group of People in Western Ukraine, the modern day Descendants of Stephan Bandera, who still propagate his Nazi Aspirations and White Supremacist Values in present day Ukraine. I referred to "Banderites" in Ukraine TODAY, .... not that Bandera is still live.

The fact that you cant even agree that Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and met Zelensky, told him not to sign the Istanbul Agreement (which has already been agreed at the highest Ministerial level Representation in Istanbul, with the consent of both Presidents of Russia and Ukraine in absentia but still need to be ratified with their Signatures), shows that you are either not aware or intentionally deceptive on this matter.
I say this because it is available on the internet, though Boris Johnson is now denying it because the "keep on fighting project" of Europe has backfired!
As i speak, Finland and Norway, which are part of the NATO Alliance that said they would never talk with Russia until it vacates the conquered Ukrainian territories, have just initiated a Phone Conversation with Putin! Body don they torch all of them.
Europe is experiencing the highest Price of Gas in it's History, at Nine Euros a Gallon (2.25Euros litre)!

You think all the citizen riots in Spain, Italy, France, Sweden, Parts of UK, etc, and still spreading is about Immigrants and Islam as European Leaders are claiming? It is about their Leaders using their Money to fund the Ukraine War while the Citizens are left without Basic Social Amenities (Housing, Electricity, Gas, Education, etc) and Spiraling Inflation!
Moreover, they are all DEMANDING that their Government negotiate a truce with Russia and resume the purchase of Energy from Russia, which is why the Afd Party is sweeping the Polls in Germany, despite its hard stance on immigration.

I will revisit your Post again, because there are so many misconceptions there, example; You did not know what happened in 2014, when the "Banderites" set fire to the Local parliament of the Ethnic Russians and burned it down, including those inside!
That was the first modern day Genocide in Europe, by Arson. It is still on Youtube, if you care to research on it.

smallsmall:
They are all THE SAME THING, in that they all serve American/Israeli Hegemonic interest, often controlled by "the Deep State, Military Industrial Complex and /Israeli lobby group like AIPAC..... with just small-small variations between them (for example: Obama is not shamelessly and brazenly greedy/self enriching as Trump!).

Correct. Trump is very greedy.

smallsmall:
If it will take me a lot of time to correct each item you responded to, point-b-point and today it very busy.
For example, you CONFUSED Stephan Bandera (1959), a Person, Nazi collaborator, with "Banderites", a group of People in Western Ukraine, the modern day Descendants of Stephan Bandera, who still propagate his Nazi Aspirations and White Supremacist Values in present day Ukraine. I referred to "Banderites" in Ukraine TODAY, .... not that Bandera is still live.

The fact that you cant even agree that Boris Johnson went to Ukraine and met Zelensky, told him not to sign the Istanbul Agreement (which has already been agreed at the highest Ministerial level Representation in Istanbul, with the consent of both Presidents of Russia and Ukraine in absentia but still need to be ratified with their Signatures), shows that you are either not aware or intentionally deceptive on this matter.
I say this because it is available on the internet, though Boris Johnson is now denying it because the "keep on fighting project" of Europe has backfired!
As i speak, Finland and Norway, which are part of the NATO Alliance that said they would never talk with Russia until it vacates the conquered Ukrainian territories, have just initiated a Phone Conversation with Putin! Body don they torch all of them.
Europe is experiencing the highest Price of Gas in it's History, at Nine Euros a Gallon (2.25Euros litre)!

You think all the citizen riots in Spain, Italy, France, Sweden, Parts of UK, etc, and still spreading is about Immigrants and Islam as European Leaders are claiming? It is about their Leaders using their Money to fund the Ukraine War while the Citizens are left without Basic Social Amenities (Housing, Electricity, Gas, Education, etc) and Spiraling Inflation!
Moreover, they are all DEMANDING that their Government negotiate a truce with Russia and resume the purchase of Energy from Russia, which is why the Afd Party is sweeping the Polls in Germany, despite its hard stance on immigration.

I will revisit your Post again, because there are so many misconceptions there, example; You did not know what happened in 2014, when the "Banderites" set fire to the Local parliament of the Ethnic Russians and burned it down, including those inside!
That was the first modern day Genocide in Europe, by Arson. It is still on Youtube, if you care to research on it.

I'm very familiar with this type of debate and how it uses fringe unconfirmed reports to generate sensational talking points. I won't get bogged down with that distraction. You can like Putin. You can support his decisions. That's fine. That's your prerogative.

But my focus is crystal clear: a powerful neighbour does not acquire ownership of a smaller neighbour because it dislikes its politics or claims historical entitlement. If not, what kind of world would we be living in? If sovereignty counts only when it favours Moscow, that isn't a principle of international law. It's imperialism wearing a history textbook as a disguise. And the world is smarter than that. If not, why did the world stand against Hitler? And all Ukraine is asking that the world maintains that same energy. And Western powers are trying to keep that same pace because we all know what will happen if that does not hold..

Ankakh:
I'm very familiar with this type of debate and how it uses fringe unconfirmed reports to generate sensational talking points. I won't get bogged down with that distraction. You can like Putin. You can support his decisions. That's fine. That's your prerogative.

But my focus is crystal clear: a powerful neighbour does not acquire ownership of a smaller neighbour because it dislikes its politics or claims historical entitlement. If not, what kind of world would we be living in? If sovereignty counts only when it favours Moscow, that isn't a principle of international law. It's imperialism wearing a history textbook as a disguise. And the world is smarter than that. If not, why did the world stand against Hitler? And all Ukraine is asking that the world maintains that same energy. And Western powers are trying to keep that same pace because we all know what will happen if that does not hold..

Against my initial intentions, i will let you continue to live in your fantasy, like many others.

TIME, reveals all things.
Norway and Finland have already broke ranks and are calling Putin, after they all said they will NEVER talk to Putin unless he is driven out of the areas Russia has taken.

All these "Morality" about 'what kind of World will we be living in', should have come earlier when NATO invaded Serbia and broke Kosovo away from it, when America invaded Iraq and destroyed it, invaded Libya.
We did not hear such moral postulation when Israel/America attacked Iran, destroyed Palestine and took over Gaza and carved out the West Bank! What about intervention in Syria, using ISIS Fighters on behalf of Israel?

Let us be Patient, TIME will prove "YOU" Right....or Wrong.
We are already approaching The End, of the End