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THE DEITY YOU INHERITED: CULTURE, CONQUEST AND THE CLAIM OF UNIVERSALITY

In a typical Nigerian Christian home, a child hears the names of the Christian deity, Jesus, and Amen before he learns his parents names. Through morning prayers, evening prayers, church services, and constant repetition, these names become part of his world before he is old enough to question them. He learns to acknowledge a deity before he understands the history behind that deity.

By the time he begins to think independently, he has already been taught that this deity created him, loves him, and is the Creator of every human being on earth. What began as an inherited belief is presented to him as a universal truth.

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At what point does familiarity become evidence of truth?

Cultures develop their own concepts of deities. Imagine the Hebrews worshipping their own deity, then being conquered and introduced to a foreign deity called Ubangiji. Would they automatically equate Ubangiji to their original deity? Hmmm? They would first have to understand the language, history, and cultural meaning associated with this unfamiliar Ubangiji.

The same principle applies in reverse. The biblical deity is foreign to someone who has never encountered the Hebrew religious tradition. You cannot simply equate the biblical deity with Chukwu, Olódùmarè, or Unkulunkulu, and assume they are identical because all can be discussed in terms of divinity.

Deities are embedded in the cultures through which people understand them. Their identities are communicated through stories, languages, rituals, laws, traditions, and collective memories. To understand the biblical deity, one must engage with the religious history of ancient Israel. To understand Chukwu, one must engage with Igbo divine thought. These are distinct traditions, and translating their names into the same English word does not make their deities identical. It is a scam.

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You cannot detach a deity from the people whose history gives that deity meaning and then declare him the ancestral Creator of every other people.

The biblical deity belongs to a religious tradition rooted in ancient Israel. His covenants, laws, promises, prophets, and chosen people emerge from that tradition. The Bible tells the story of a particular people and their relationship with their deity.

How, then, did this Hebrew deity become the ancestral Creator of the Igbo, Yoruba, and countless other peoples whose ancestors had their own religious traditions?


I will analogize again, imagine the Yoruba had conquered ancient Israel, introduced the Israelites to Olodomare, and taught them that He was the Creator of all humanity. Generations later, if the Israelites have accepted Olodomare as their ancestral deity simply because their conquerors insisted that he was, would their memory of the doings of Yahweh be intact? Would it not affect their history, culture or even their identity? Would they not see themselves as second fiddle?

Would that acceptance establish the truth of the claim, or demonstrate how one people's religious tradition could become another people's inherited belief?

Christianity did not arrive in Africa as a neutral philosophical proposition detached from history. Its expansion was intertwined with missionary activity, European colonialism, Western education, and the suppression or denigration of indigenous religious traditions. The religion Africans encountered had also passed through Greek and Roman worlds, European institutions, theological controversies, and competing interpretations of scripture.

Even the English word God carries its own linguistic history. It is not the original Hebrew name of the deity described in the Tanakh. Yet this English designation has become so familiar that many people treat it as though it were the natural, universal name of humanity's Creator.

This is how a historical tradition can become mistaken for a universal inheritance. A child learns the name. His parents teach him the story. His church supplies the interpretation. His society reinforces the belief. Eventually, familiarity is mistaken for evidence that the belief must be universally true.

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But familiarity is not evidence, and cultural dominance is not proof of divine origin.

The biblical claim that this deity loves the whole world. The same biblical narrative depicts him choosing Israel, fighting its battles, and ordering or carrying out the destruction of other peoples. If this deity intended every people to know him, why did knowledge of him depend so heavily on the historical transmission of Israel's religious tradition?

The biblical narratives describe direct encounters with Abraham, Moses, and other figures. Jonah is even depicted as being compelled to travel to Nineveh. If divine intervention was possible in these accounts, why was the knowledge of this supposedly universal Creator left to spread through human conquest, cultural influence, and missionary expansion?

Why not reveal himself unmistakably to the ancestors of the Twi, the Yoruba, and other peoples, rather than leave them to encounter his story through foreign missionaries centuries later?

Revelation's description of the New Jerusalem. Its gates bear the names of the twelve tribes of Israel. Christians have theological explanations for the inclusion of Gentiles, but the question remains: why must peoples with different ancestral histories enter another people's religious narrative to understand their place in the universe?

My objection is not that Africans adoption of a foreign religious tradition should not be confused with the discovery of a universally established truth.

If the biblical deity is truly the universal Creator, that claim requires justification beyond the global reach of the religion built around him. Conquest can introduce a people to a deity. Missionaries can teach them his name. Churches can shape their understanding of him. Generations can grow up believing his story is their own.

None of these things, by themselves, establishes that the deity is the Creator of all humanity.

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Global dominance is not proof of universal origin.

Had European missionaries and colonial powers never introduced Christianity to a particular African community, that community would not have learned the English word God or the biblical story of Jesus merely by contemplating the universe. It would have understood existence through the intellectual, spiritual, and cultural resources available within its own history.

Had the Hausas conquered Israel, perhaps the Israelites would have learned about Ubangiji. Because European powers and missionaries helped spread Christianity across Africa, Africans learned about the Hebrew deity instead. The historical outcome could have been different.

That one religious tradition conquered the cultural imagination of the world does not prove that its deity created that world.

Roycemadeit:
THE DEITY YOU INHERITED: CULTURE, CONQUEST AND THE CLAIM OF UNIVERSALITY

In a typical Nigerian Christian home, a child hears the names of the Christian deity, Jesus, and Amen before he learns his parents names. Through morning prayers, evening prayers, church services, and constant repetition, these names become part of his world before he is old enough to question them. He learns to acknowledge a deity before he understands the history behind that deity.

By the time he begins to think independently, he has already been taught that this deity created him, loves him, and is the Creator of every human being on earth. What began as an inherited belief is presented to him as a universal truth...

Why are you disturbing us repeating questions that have been answered tirelessly?

Nothing new here and our answers have still not changed.

No child grew independently and every child grew up questioning and verifying everything he has seen and known.

Every child even checked whether their parents and siblings are their parents and siblings and you know the outcome.

So, there is no need repeating questions that have already been overflogged with answers.

Children born in Christian homes have turned Muslims and children born in Muslim homes have turned Christians. It is all an exercise of choice and preference

Roycemadeit:
[color=#990000][b]That one religious tradition conquered the cultural imagination of the world does not prove that its deity created that world.

The owner and creator of a house will always conquer and quash tenants and dwellers in his house

Always!

So it is here.

If there was anyone who wanted to contest ownership of this world nothing stops them from challenging God.

God even asked for them challenge Him.

But they are all silent staying quietly not trying to look for God's trouble.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So, no one can save you from oncoming God judgements and puni. even if you run under the sea🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
The owner and creator of a house will always conquer and quash tenants and dwellers in his house

Always!

So it is here.

If there was anyone who wanted to contest ownership of this world nothing stops them from challenging God.

God even asked for them challenge Him.

But they are all silent staying quietly not trying to look for God's trouble.🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

So, no one can save you from oncoming God judgements and puni. even if you run under the sea🤣🤣🤣🤣

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.You compare God to a house owner without establishing that he owns the house in the first place. You're assuming what you're supposed to prove. 😂

You defend a deity whose existence and authority you accept through a religious tradition, yet you justify violence, killing, and the seizure of other people's possessions when such acts are claimed to be divinely authorised.

My argument is for the advancement of the human experience, for a more reasonable and humane world. Yet you're so consumed by defending the Hebrew deity that you fail to see the human suffering your reasoning excuses. You claim to defend humanity's Creator while defending the destruction of the very humanity he supposedly created.

Roycemadeit:
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.You compare God to a house owner without establishing that he owns the house in the first place. You're assuming what you're supposed to prove. 😂

You defend a deity whose existence and authority you accept through a religious tradition, yet you justify violence, killing, and the seizure of other people's possessions when such acts are claimed to be divinely authorised.

My argument is for the advancement of the human experience, for a more reasonable and humane world. Yet you're so consumed by defending the Hebrew deity that you fail to see the human suffering your reasoning excuses. You claim to defend humanity's Creator while defending the destruction of the very humanity he supposedly created.

By human experience and reasoning acts of absolute control over a house is prima facie proof of ownership. Hence why we all rented a house we lived in for years from a landlord even without seeing the landlord's C of O or title documents.

And you yourself agree that God has exercised acts of ownership over this house called world which is what you are even complaining about. So you are talking rubbish.

Then, since you saw you had no reasonable argument to make in counter you now resorted to the fallacy of ad hominem and appeal to religiousity and argumentum ad passiones fallacy to try to make your case in the bold.

Forgetting that
fallacy
/ˈfaləsi/
A fallacy is a flaw in reasoning or an error in an argument that makes it logically invalid, unsound, or deceptive

So, being consumed by your bias attack on God and Christianity, you do not see that it is clear you make only illogical and fallacious arguments which in your bias you think valid

StillDtruth:
By human experience and reasoning acts of absolute control over a house is prima facie proof of ownership. Hence why we all rented a house we lived in for years from a landlord even without seeing the landlord's C of O or title documents.

And you yourself agree that God has exercised acts of ownership over this house called world which is what you are even complaining about. So you are talking rubbish.

Then, since you saw you had no reasonable argument to make in counter you now resorted to the fallacy of ad hominem and appeal to religiousity and argumentum ad passiones fallacy to try to make your case in the bold.

Forgetting that
fallacy
/ˈfaləsi/
A fallacy is a flaw in reasoning or an error in an argument that makes it logically invalid, unsound, or deceptive

So, being consumed by your bias attack on God and Christianity, you do not see that it is clear you make only illogical and fallacious arguments which in your bias you think valid

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Your analogy establishes, at most, that control can be evidence of ownership. It does not establish that every controller is an owner, much less that the biblical deity created the universe and therefore possesses legitimate authority over it.

A tenant can control a house without owning it, and a person can challenge a king's authority without conceding that the king is legitimate.

My criticism of biblical accounts of divine action does not amount to an admission of divine ownership. It challenges the moral legitimacy of that claimed authority. Before using God's supposed control as evidence of ownership, you must establish that the control is real, that it originates from the being you identify as God, and that control entails rightful ownership. Your analogy assumes the conclusion it is supposed to establish.

Roycemadeit:
Your analogy establishes, at most, that control can be evidence of ownership. It does not establish that every controller is an owner, much less that the biblical deity created the universe and therefore possesses legitimate authority over it.

Still committing the fallacy of Moving Post. The case is not about establishing if every controller is an owner but that that i have proven that acts of absolute control over a house is prima facie proof of ownership which yourself agree that God has exercised acts of ownership over this house called world which is what you are even complaining about.

So, You are talking OFF POINT and CHANGING THE GOAL POSTS because you have no reasonable and valid thing to counter this Answer.

So, yet again it is proven your that this is another rubbish thread lacking substance and merit exactly like the others. 🤣🤣🤣

I told you, your antiGodism and antiChristianitism only shows you are illogical and that your arguments are always fallacious and bias permanently.

Dtruthspeaker:
Still committing the fallacy of Moving Post. The case is not about establishing if every controller is an owner but that that i have proven that acts of absolute control over a house is prima facie proof of ownership which yourself agree that God has exercised acts of ownership over this house called world which is what you are even complaining about.

So, You are talking OFF POINT and CHANGING THE GOAL POSTS because you have no reasonable and valid thing to counter this Answer.

So, yet again it is proven your that this is another rubbish thread lacking substance and merit exactly like the others. 🤣🤣🤣

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Where has God exercised any acts of ownership over the world? Look at this funny fellow trying to establish a deity of hide and seek as an owner 😂

Roycemadeit:
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Where has God exercised any acts of ownership over the world? Look at this funny fellow trying to establish a deity of hide and seek as an owner 😂

Do all your threads not show that you are hotly complaining that God just Came one day and "gave them somebody else's land" which I told you that that is what the owner of a house does?

As i said you don't have any valid thing to say 🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Do all your threads not show that you are hotly complaining that God just Came one day and "gave them somebody else's land" which I told you that that is what the owner of a house does?

As i said you don't have any valid thing to say 🤣🤣🤣

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You keep saying God owns the world, but has there ever been a documented instance in human history where a supernatural being physically took someone's land and handed it to another person? What we have always witnessed is military conquest. One army defeats another, takes its territory and then attributes its victory to its god. If I play a football match with you, we both pray, and I win, does that prove my God defeated you? Or did I simply win a football match because I was better or that your game was lame?

Even your Bible undermines this argument. Judges 1:19 says the Lord was with Judah, yet Judah could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley because they had iron chariots. Apparently, military technology presented a problem for the supposed owner of the universe.

Human beings conquer territories through warfare, then invoke divine authority to justify the outcome. Calling conquest God's will does not establish divine ownership. It merely gives religious justification to the dispossession of other people by people with better military might.

Roycemadeit:

You keep saying God owns the world, but has there ever been a documented instance in human history where a supernatural being physically took someone's land and handed it to another person?...

Is that not what you yourself have since been accusing Him of doing in all of your 4 threads? 🤣

Now, that you can't answer and it has backfired you are now trying to change post to Judah and human action. 🤣🤣🤣

As i said you don't have any valid thing to say.🤣🤣🤣

Roycemadeit:
Even the English word God carries its own linguistic history. It is not the original Hebrew name of the deity described in the Tanakh. Yet this English designation has become so familiar that many people treat it as though it were the natural, universal name of humanity's Creator.

This!

I have stubbornly refused to capitalise g in god because it is not a proper name even though people often treat it as such.

LordReed:
This!

I have stubbornly refused to capitalise g in god because it is not a proper name even though people often treat it as such.

As is your right but no be only you get right

Dtruthspeaker:
As is your right but no be only you get right

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.Have you not realized that you running on a program? 😂

LordReed:
This!

I have stubbornly refused to capitalise g in god because it is not a proper name even though people often treat it as such.

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The etymology of the word God is testimony to how a deity who had a proper name and a name that he could not expose to his chosen generation could be colonized and rebranded by politicians.

Roycemadeit:
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The etymology of the word God is testimony to how a deity who had a proper name and a name that he could not expose to his chosen generation could be colonized and rebranded by politicians.

Yep. Rebranded into a mumu button for a vast majority of the world unfortunately.

Roycemadeit:
.Have you not realized that you running on a program? 😂

Says the one opening threads. 🤣🤣🤣

Roycemadeit:
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The etymology of the word God is testimony to how a deity who had a proper name and a name that he could not expose to his chosen generation could be colonized and rebranded by politicians.

Like Roycemadeit is your name even here. 🤣🤣🤣
You guys don't think before speaking. 🤣🤣🤣

LordReed:
Yep. Rebranded into a mumu button for a vast majority of the world unfortunately.

And which causes atheists sleepless nights and days

Dtruthspeaker:
Like Roycemadeit is your name even here. 🤣🤣🤣
You guys don't think before speaking. 🤣🤣🤣

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I am a real person, and I can tell you exactly how I came about the name Roycemadeit. Can your Jehovah prove that He is real? You, who worship a supposed creator whose original name you don't even know, and Jesus, oh Jesus, isn't even the name he was known by in his native language - if he existed . Yet you have the audacity to mock me over a name I consciously chose? The irony is almost embarrassing. You have inherited a religion whose history, language, names and doctrines you barely understand, yet you think you're intellectually equipped to lecture me about identity. Your Almighty has been renamed, translated, repackaged and dragged across cultures for centuries, and you have no problem with that. But RoyceMadeIt is where your intellectual investigation begins and ends? 🤣🤣🤣

Before you come here displaying your ignorance like an academic qualification, perhaps investigate the history of the very things you claim to know. You don't even know enough about your own religious heritage, Pinky.

Dtruthspeaker:
Says the one opening threads. 🤣🤣🤣

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And I will open even more threads. There are far too many biblical contradictions, historical discrepancies and theological absurdities to leave unexamined. That's not even counting the political manipulation, editorial interventions and historical baggage introduced by men who wielded more earthly power than the Jehovah you worship. If exposing these things bothers you, perhaps your problem isn't that I open threads. It's that you have been programmed to be blindsided, otherwise you should be opening threads having read the Bible and seen its ridiculousness.🤣

Roycemadeit:
[b]I am a real person, and I can tell you exactly how I came about the name Roycemadeit. [color=#990000]Can your Jehovah prove that He is real..

You're always talking OFF POINT.

No one said you are a real animal

What i said is that "Like Roycemade it is your name".. So, you have no point.

And in this days of ai, there is a absolutely no proof you are real. And neither can you prove it.

So, as i say, you are always talking rubbish

Roycemadeit:
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[b]And I will open even more threads...

That is your right, however, they would always be rubbish as this one and the others you have done as i will always point out the rubbish they are. So, bring it up, i put it down. 🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
You're always talking OFF POINT.

No one said you are a real animal

What i said is that "Like Roycemade it is your name".. So, you have no point.

And in this days of ai, there is a absolutely no proof you are real. And neither can you prove it.

So, as i say, you are always talking rubbish

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Pinky, Can you prove that Jehovah is real?

Roycemadeit:
Pinky, Can you prove that Jehovah is real?

Homer Simpson. You have already done that by your threads.🤣🤣🤣.

However, there isn't any proof you are real. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Dtruthspeaker:
Homer Simpson. You have already done that by your threads.🤣🤣🤣.

However, there isn't any proof you are real. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

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You talk, and I respond. You pray, and your God doesn't even bother to respond. Yet somehow, I'm the one whose existence is in question? 🤣 The irony is that you have evidence of my existence right in front of you, but your evidence for the existence of the being you're praying to remains a matter of belief...

Roycemadeit:
You talk, and I respond. You pray, and your God doesn't even bother to respond. Yet somehow, I'm the one whose existence is in question? 🤣 The irony is that you have evidence of my existence right in front of you, but your evidence for the existence of the being you're praying to remains a matter of belief...

No one keeps talking to a person who does not respond. So, the fact that He has cast you aside and does not talk to you like He did to Esau does not mean that He does not talk to me and others.

Of which, you don't exist, so how do you expect Him to talk to you? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Not to talk of the fact there isn't any evidence or proof you are real at all.. 🤣🤣🤣🤣

So as i always say, you are talking rubbish🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣