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GracieX3:
Why is this one glazing China?

1. The only reason why Hollywood and Western businesses bow to China is their population, hence, their customer base. 1.4 billion potential customers is no Joke.

2. MAOzedong was a great man but also a mass murdering dictator.

3. A joke is a joke. China is too heavy-handed with jokes or criticism against their government. Ask Chairman Winnie the Pooh how that worked out for the CCP

abduleez1:
Exactly, Westerners and their sympathizers are always quick to point out dictator tendencies of other nations but turn a blind eye to theirs.

Imagine checking through your social media posts to see if you've slandered Isr£@l or not.
I thought it was the "land of the free" — so free speech isn't guaranteed?

Most Westerners are a hypocritical bunch. They only shout Dictator and Human Rights violations when its China, Russia and the Arabs, but would turn a blind eye when France will hold majority of French African countries foreign reserves in the French Treasury vaults. Suddenly, Neo-colonialism is cool.

oyaskii:
The whole Kylian Mbappé dictator affair has shown me just how strong, China, influences affairs of the west. Mannn Imagine, one of the greatest talent to have ever touch the sport, what would normally be an harmless joke, and these Mfs are so incensed, they cut ties with him, Real Madrid and even La Liga! 😭😭.

I see why Hollywood don't joke with the Chinese Box Market. They have a different marketing strategy for their market, any tiny mistake, and your movie suffers there.

Silly as it all is, it all boils than to money, not that the west really respects the Chinese culture all that much, and it just goes to show how hyper capitalist, our world is, currently.

Anyway, glad, China doesn't wield World Power, the west will never allow it, because communism looks like hellfire fgss 😭😭

GracieX3:
SMH.......Abduleez1 and the false dichotomy fallacy.

It is not just two options -China or the West.

A person can criticise both. Those criticizing China are not automatically supporting Western issues.

The same China where black man is called a "Niqq@r" with no consequences......abegi

GloriousGbola:
We are watching Anerica devolve into a third world shithole in real time complete with kill and go security agencies, in your face corruption, out badding of movie bad guys and a large part of the population is happy with it.

Americans have lost the right to pontificate to others about freedom and human rights.

Are their oligarchs not suppressing opposition on social media? Is bezos not killing negtiave wsj stories? did musk not get the negative documentary on him killed?

Peter thiel in a prologue to where the US is today destroyed Gawker media for outing him as gay. What is the difference between ice and the German stasi of the 80s?

How many comedians has trump gotten cancelled by their networks?

And the majority are happy with it. They voted for this.

Also with the way tech bro oligarchs are manipulating the electorate with social media, I can understand why China put limits on western presence in the online space

Today social media is a tool that can be used to instigate acute social unrest for destabilising nations

Fro5t:
The problem with the bolded is that most of those who claim this neutrality tend to be more critical of the Chinese while turning a blind eye when the West committs literal murder.

Fro5t:
What is World Power? How do you define World Power?

abduleez1:
Lol, BBC don start with their Okoto meow meow. 😂😂 How most people on mainland China don't know what Mbappe said.
BBC and their whining.

People that invented TikTok and it has become a social media powerhouse holding youths on chokehold worldwide, na them no go Sabi VPN and how to skirt regulations on social media.

China doesn't allow Western social media in their country doesn't mean their citizens are oblivious of the going ons across the globe.

Even at that they can still access these banned social platforms from VPNs. China has a very well developed media space so their citizens could barely care much about foreign platforms when theirs is equally solid.

Westerners just cry tears cos they can't access that huge market, cos I very well know the likes of Facebook and Twitter etc wouldn't mind access to that market even with restrictions and all.

CCP just understands all too well the power of information and propaganda, so they're dedicated to not being a victim of such in their own land, no matter who's ox is gored.

Fro5t:
The problem with the bolded is that most of those who claim this neutrality tend to be more critical of the Chinese while turning a blind eye when the West committs literal murder.

oyaskii:
Maann..I didn't think this would drag out this long fgs...seems you are using a very big hammer to hit a very small nail 😩😩.

My point continues to be, there are hypocrises everywhere if you are unbiased enough to see it, China, the west, far east, middle east, is all the same to me.

So if that fact is established, Why does Mbappè has to suffer this long even after numerous apologies? Just google what Mbappè has done for China and the Chinese people, since the COVID outbreak in 2020, and you might see a point or two, that this tirade has gone on for far too long.

But if you think what China are currently doing is fitting, then is okay, and i think i would have to leave it here, but in a world where China can exert this kind of power, is not a very pleasant world.

abduleez1:
Lol, wetin Mbappe wan do for China wey dem no fit do for themselves?

Since we both agree that all sides are different sides of the same coin..... It's great.

In this vein, I believe what China did is fitting.
I'm a lover of football, probably my biggest passion alongside movies. Funny enough, La Liga the league that is getting punished is my ultimate favourite and a staunch fan of Barcelona. This reaction from China also affects my club all the same.

Nevertheless, I see it as fair game. A world power exerts its influence refusing to be branded a name it wishes not to be associated with.

oyaskii:
Really? This isn't easy to decipher? One country has the largest nominal GDP in the world, this country has companies that dominates the world's largest companies by annual turnover, This same country has arguably the most advanced military might and warfare, same country's currency is basically the "world's currency", no sensible person stores wealth in the "Chinese Yuan"!! 😩, and this same country has years of cultural influence that has been exported worldwide, Hollywood, Nike, Coke, NBA, McDonald's etc.

From all these i have mentioned, only one country comes to mind, and if this, isn't world power, then me and you might differ in the meaning, and i am open for you to enlighten me, what you think world power is.

GracieX3:
Imagine glazing China to spite the West.

Both have blood and hypocrisy on their hands.

See wetin too much boob milk has done to Aboobeez

oyaskii:
Maann..I didn't think this would drag out this long fgs...seems you are using a very big hammer to hit a very small nail 😩😩.

My point continues to be, there are hypocrises everywhere if you are unbiased enough to see it, China, the west, far east, middle east, is all the same to me.

So if that fact is established, Why does Mbappè has to suffer this long even after numerous apologies? Just google what Mbappè has done for China and the Chinese people, since the COVID outbreak in 2020, and you might see a point or two, that this tirade has gone on for far too long.

But if you think what China are currently doing is fitting, then is okay, and i think i would have to leave it here, but in a world where China can exert this kind of power, is not a very pleasant world.

Fro5t:
The US kidnapped a sitting president from his bed (Venezuela).
The US sanctioned 2 members of the International Criminal Court for their verdicts against Netanyahu and Israel. They're currently unable to carry out any transactions.
The US bombed double tapped a children's school in Iran. That means they bombed the school and then bombed it again when first responders came to help survivors.
The US banned the Iranian football team from staying in the US. Denied the Somalian referee, voted Africa's best referee, entry into the US to officiate World Cup matches.

And these are just what the US has been doing in the open this year. The world is already, and has been for a long time, very unpleasant in the era of American world power.

Including this Mbappe issue, what are 3 terrible things China has done this year?

Fro5t:
The US kidnapped a sitting president from his bed (Venezuela).
The US sanctioned 2 members of the International Criminal Court for their verdicts against Netanyahu and Israel. They're currently unable to carry out any transactions.
The US bombed double tapped a children's school in Iran. That means they bombed the school and then bombed it again when first responders came to help survivors.
The US banned the Iranian football team from staying in the US. Denied the Somalian referee, voted Africa's best referee, entry into the US to officiate World Cup matches.

And these are just what the US has been doing in the open this year. The world is already, and has been for a long time, very unpleasant in the era of American world power.

Including this Mbappe issue, what are 3 terrible things China has done this year?

oyaskii:
Hope my point isn't lost in translation? Because i think i have clearly stated, that i recognize the hypocrisy on both sides, The US have probably done more despicable things than any country, but they have enough "goodwill" for their glazers, to look past it and not see any issue with it but are quick to call other countries out for the same thing.

I actually like the competition/squabbles between the US and China, and the US, now know China, isn't going to bend over backwards for them.

My own point is an entire state like China, coming hard on a footballer, over a joke, he didn't even start, and the only line he altered was "some dictator", He didn't insult the Chinese people, it wasn't a racial slur, didn't make a rice joke or how all Asians look alike and all the normal Asian stereotype jokes, so i think China are overreacting and i refuse to see it, any other way...If China wants to show just how much of an emerging power they are, this wasn't the issue for that most especially when apologies have been offered.... excuse my french mann, but sincerely fk them.

Fro5t:
The thing is we can't tell the Chinese what to take seriously and what should be a joke to them. That's the thing about being a sovereign nation, is that you get to set your own terms. Funny enough, I actually think Mbappe would've gotten less backlash for a racial slur than this Mao issue. To you, they're overreacting. To them, they're letting the world know what's off-limits, if you're going to deal with them.

Also, much of the "goodwill" that the US has comes from their propaganda, majorly Hollywood movies. They pioneered the template the Japanese copied. Feed people enough stories and they'll forget your actual image. Most Chinese and Russian fear/hate people have come from years of consuming movies where Russian mobster & terrorists and Chinese spies and soldiers are the villains.

That's the major reason why the US can literally murder people and folks will "understand" but the Chinese or Russians do less and everyone's suddenly scared of world domination and happy that "jolly old Uncle Sam" is here to "protect" them from the Red Terror.

oyaskii:
The point has been made to me.Mao Zedong is off limits, and the context to the whole issue should be enough reason to cut Mbappè some slack and let it go at this point, if not, i wonder what will be enough, He should apologize in Chinese, take a course in Mao Zedong history? Travel to China and apologise directly? All these will be pretentious and a bit silly, and would even reinforce the whole "dictator shindig", so in all honesty, they should let this go



The US propaganda will continue till the foreseeable future, Hollywood and American culture is still being consumed and received, virtually in the whole world.

I don't even think it is possible to over propaganda these guys. There is also the matter of "who will bell the cat". None of this nations are ready for a direct confrontation with the US. They can't even present a united front enough to topple the US, because for instance, the US is toppled (unlikely to happen anyway), you think Russia will just allow China take the spot of the US? or vice versa?. The best they can do, is exert some form of regional or sectional power, anyway they can, which they are already doing, anything beyond that, is fairytale and these are the facts.

oyaskii:
The US propaganda will continue till the foreseeable future, Hollywood and American culture is still being consumed and received, virtually in the whole world.

I don't even think it is possible to over propaganda these guys. There is also the matter of "who will bell the cat". None of this nations are ready for a direct confrontation with the US. They can't even present a united front enough to topple the US, because for instance, the US is toppled (unlikely to happen anyway), you think Russia will just allow China take the spot of the US? or vice versa?. The best they can do, is exert some form of regional or sectional power, anyway they can, which they are already doing, anything beyond that, is fairytale and these are the facts.

GloriousGbola:
In the past 10/15 years the US have deconstructed their image

They invaded Iraq on an obviously fabricated story

They repeatedly abandoned the kurds

During covid they refused to mask up and lockdown

They have kidnapped the president of a sovereign nation on false pretenses

They have attached another nation on a made up nuclear bomb two weeks away

Their citizens are celebrating brownskinned people being kidnapped into concentration camps

People being prosecuted on absurd charges

Right now I cannot bring myself to be bothered with shows like FBI or CIA because they would require too much suspension of disbelief.

Hollywood propaganda is no longer believeable


Killing school girls
Kidnapping presidents
Killing protesters in the streets
Attacking cities with the opposition
Sending FBI to ransack the house of Democrat opponents

- that is what the villains in Hollywood movies do.

abduleez1:
I really didn't want this talk to escalate this far, but since we're all adults and airing our views. For or against Communism vs Capitalism.
We can at least have at it, since we all have good rapport for a long time.

Yes. Nobody does propaganda better than the US and it is entrenched just like Fro5t /Kaycee said, it's the work of decades of Hollywood dominance as the preeminent entertainment industry in the world, that has helped to propagate them as the good guys, despite the trouble they cause the world.

China and Russia is always the bad guys in their films, and interestingly they ALWAYS win their wars in Hollywood films; Vietnam and Korea included.

It's kinda funny to you're saying that China is a regional or sectional power. It's quite surprising to hear that coming from you.

I kid you not, China is already a World Power. No jokes about it. Yes the US is still the № 1 dominant force but the time where they were the only force to be reckoned with since the fall of the USSR is over.

China is almost equally as strong as the US. Forget all the huffing and puffing the US makes daily. Almighty USA can't confidently go into any war with China. So just forget that talk.
They're struggling with a country like Iran with decades of sanctions and isolation, without a decent Airforce and y'all think the US will beat a force like China.

US military lost decades ago when they faced the Chinese military in the Korean War. A massively under-equipped China still reeling from the effects of WWII and Civil War beat a massively technologically superior US forces back then. So what makes you think the US is eager for such match up again now when they are mostly almost on par in today's world?

As for Russia or China, it seems you don't really understand the two countries dynamics. China is the big dawg here, and Russia is the has-been historical powerhouse like the UK of old.

The only advantage I can say Russia has is that they're battle sharpened like the US since they've been fighting different wars almost a decade now. China isn't since they've been largely peaceful for decades.

But when it comes to economic or sociopolitical influence and power projection, China is far ahead of Russia.
To me, China is in part the reason the Russian economy hasn't collapsed on its own with the grueling war in Ukraine.
They work hand in hand and understand the dynamics of coming together to fight as a single force. That's why the US can't fight any war without crying and rallying around for NATO and all the combined firepower of several powerful countries before it can fight any war successfully.

So in this sense, Russia will allow China be the dominant force when the US eventually falls off.
Russia lacks the economy or economic influence in major countries of the world unlike China.

Besides China is undisputed the World factory. If anything happens to China economy, even almighty uncle Sam go feel am d!e.

Present day China is no minnow if not, a dominant president like Trump wouldn't call off his hilarious tariffs against the Middle Kingdom despite several countries and Europeans bowing their heads to US hegemony.

China is already a World Power. Just not everyone wants to believe it yet. And they're all too ready to remind everyone their position in the grand scheme of things.

All things comes to an end. Same as Empires.
So the US will still fall off from their overly dominant position in World politics or influence.
It's just a matter of when not IF.
Another will take its place just like it has been in history, as it happened with France, Egypt, Britain, Germany, Turkey, Persia (Iran), Rome, Greece etc.
Empires rise and fall.

oyaskii:
lol what is even the argument here? because only a true "world power" will do all these things you mentioned and still come out unscathed.

If the Hollywood propaganda isn't believable anymore, pls pray tell which is? Russian? Chinense? Iranian?

They know how to play this game, they can make an ally of just anybody, because they always have something to offer in return, and that's puts them at an advantage.

I don't like it anymore than you do, that the US can do these things and get away with it but it is, what it is.

An American, Russian and a Chinese passport on the table, which genuinely are you picking?

GloriousGbola:
In the past 10/15 years the US have deconstructed their image

They invaded Iraq on an obviously fabricated story

They repeatedly abandoned the kurds

During covid they refused to mask up and lockdown

They have kidnapped the president of a sovereign nation on false pretenses

They have attached another nation on a made up nuclear bomb two weeks away

Their citizens are celebrating brownskinned people being kidnapped into concentration camps

People being prosecuted on absurd charges

Right now I cannot bring myself to be bothered with shows like FBI or CIA because they would require too much suspension of disbelief.

Hollywood propaganda is no longer believeable


Killing school girls
Kidnapping presidents
Killing protesters in the streets
Attacking cities with the opposition
Sending FBI to ransack the house of Democrat opponents

- that is what the villains in Hollywood movies do.

WriteerNg:

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What surprises me the most is the brainless dolts who think Russian economy is surviving because of China.

Russia has had back to back trade surplus with China. A negative trade inbalance for China.

China buys more stuffs from Russia than Russia buys from them.

So it is basically China taking more from Russia than Russia takes from China.

There are more than 190 countries in the world. These dolts think a handful of EU countries (40) will automatically stop Russia from trading with the 150 others.

They've been popagandized right from their mother's womb, what do you expect.

They know nothing outside what the US tells them.

They've never been to China if they've been, they'd know China considers Russia an elder brother.

China copies Russia in EVERYTHING, from literature to science and tech.

Even Chinese AI models were built around old Russian/Soviet models.

The Russians have a very advanced Aerospace industry, space industry. The Chinese president still flies a US made plane.

Russia still builds ships, aircrafts, submarines, rocket engines, heavy industrial machines for China till this day.

The ones China built themselves were copied from Soviet Russia.

Research people! Research!

phr0nesis:
None of them will hesitate to pick up the American passport.

abduleez1:
You don give me Hong Kong passport I reject am?

This is the funny rhetoric you guys bring with American passport this and that.

What makes you think everybody's dream is to Japa and make it in a Western country?

E sure me die if not for hustle for greener pastures, half of these US, CANADA & UK hustlers by all means and the Language connection, Una no go too reason them.

Fro5t:
The thing is we can't tell the Chinese what to take seriously and what should be a joke to them. That's the thing about being a sovereign nation, is that you get to set your own terms. Funny enough, I actually think Mbappe would've gotten less backlash for a racial slur than this Mao issue. To you, they're overreacting. To them, they're letting the world know what's off-limits, if you're going to deal with them.

Also, much of the "goodwill" that the US has comes from their propaganda, majorly Hollywood movies. They pioneered the template the Japanese copied. Feed people enough stories and they'll forget your actual image. Most Chinese and Russian fear/hate people have come from years of consuming movies where Russian mobster & terrorists and Chinese spies and soldiers are the villains.

That's the major reason why the US can literally murder people and folks will "understand" but the Chinese or Russians do less and everyone's suddenly scared of world domination and happy that "jolly old Uncle Sam" is here to "protect" them from the Red Terror.

phr0nesis:
Lol
Hong Kong has European influence, being a British colony for almost 100 years or even more.
I have very little interest in travelling to the US, Canada, UK, but I go choose any of them 100 times over China, Russia, Iran, North Korea, or any communist country