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Poll: What would the community most likely conclude after reading the Bible independently?

They would recognise it as the word of their Creator and become Christians. 0% (0 votes)

They would find it an interesting collection of stories but question its supernatural claims. 0% (0 votes)

They would consider it strange mythology, filled with contradictions and unbelievable accounts, and reject it as true stories. 100% (1 vote)

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Re: Hypothetical Question by FayaBall: 5:42pm On Nov 06

LordReed:
I assume they would have books and know what fiction is. In such a scenario they would think it was a good compilation of fictional works.

Yet, everything that the Bible said would happen to Israel did happen to Isreal as history confirmed.

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 5:52pm On Nov 06

FayaBall:
Yet, everything that the Bible said would happen to Israel did happen to Isreal as history confirmed.

First off, in this scenario these people have no knowledge of Israel so they know nothing of their history.

Second, quote the bible verses that you are talking about and tell me how they were fulfilled.

Re: Hypothetical Question by FayaBall: 6:36pm On Nov 06

LordReed:
First off, in this scenario these people have no knowledge of Israel so they know nothing of their history.

Second, quote the bible verses that you are talking about and tell me how they were fulfilled.

Maybe, maybe not. Especially as we are all seeing that communities are formed from people migrating down from somewhere and settling in a place like ibos and calabars trace their histories to the jews. And then every community is involved in international trade and they have their people who are known for travelling. So, lots of international events and stories would be brought to the communities.

I am not big on argument and all as i see people do here but I do know that history confirms that Israel was one before it became 2 nations and that they were driven out of the land several as Moses foretold them and then somewhere in Isaiah or so, God foresaid that He would bring them back and that they would never be moved again. Which we can see that since Israel returned in 1947, they have never been moved again and from the looks of things no one will ever be able to drive them out of there again.

Re: Hypothetical Question by FayaBall: 6:40pm On Nov 06

Roycemadeit:
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Exactly, just as the bible is fictional

Yet you have been crying and complaining about God removing the inhabitants of the land to give it to Isreal.

That means both you and your talks here and everywhere are fictional. As people are saying your screws are loose

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Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:42pm On Nov 06

LordReed:
Quote the bible verses that you are talking about and tell me how they were fulfilled.

Among thousands of prophecies there is one that nobody can deny!

In the Bible the God (as you often say) promised to destroy one ancient nation that was really great back then (Babylon) history revealed the this nation was truly great in the 7th century b.c.e.

Of course we may conclude that this prophecy might have been written after the destruction of Babylon but what about another strange thing God said about this nation?

She will never be inhabited, Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations. No Arab will pitch his tent there, And no shepherds will rest their flocks there. Isaiah 13:20 compare to Jeremiah 50:39

But regarding Jerusalem that the Babylonians destroyed centuries before Jesus see what this God said about JERUSALEM:

And people will inhabit her; and there will never again be a curse of destruction, and Jerusalem will be inhabited insecurity. Zechariah 14:11

Today Jerusalem is inhabited even though it's not by its former inhabitants but that name remains till our day. In fact people are traveling to Jerusalem but what about Babylon?
Well it has remain a ruin till today.

Please is that also coincidental?🤔

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 6:43pm On Nov 06

FayaBall:
Yet you have been crying and complaining about God removing the inhabitants of the land to give it to Isreal.

That means both you and your talks here and everywhere are fictional. As people are saying your screws are loose

Just imagine how he's been crying yet it's all because of the same book he called FICTIONAL!🥱

Re: Hypothetical Question by FayaBall: 6:51pm On Nov 06

MaxInDHouse:
Just imagine how he's been crying yet it's all because of the same book he called FICTIONAL!🥱

Oh you saw it too?
The guy is obviously loonidaffy

Re: Hypothetical Question by SIRTee15: 6:52pm On Nov 06

Roycemadeit:
Imagine an isolated English-speaking community that has never encountered Christianity. They have no churches, missionaries, pastors or prior knowledge of the Bible.

One day, a Bible mysteriously lands in their community. They discover it, read it from Genesis to Revelation and interpret it without anyone teaching them what to believe or telling them that it is God's word.

What do you think would be the most likely outcome?

The would believe God is the creator of the universe.
God calls for repentance and for people to abandon all false gods and worship him ALONE.
He has a son called Jesus Christ and he sent him into the world as saviour for the whole mankind.
Jesus Christ calls for repentance, salvation is through grace and not works.
The gospel of Christ is for the whole humanity and it welcomes people into the kingdom of God through believing in Christ.
Jesus Christ died, was buried and he resurrected. His death is the atonement for sin.
His disciples took on the responsibility of spreading the gospel to all nations.
Jesus Christ is coming back this time as king and Judge.

Above is an unbiased and non denominational literal interpretation of the bible.

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Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 10:11pm On Nov 06*

FayaBall:
Maybe, maybe not. Especially as we are all seeing that communities are formed from people migrating down from somewhere and settling in a place like ibos and calabars trace their histories to the jews. And then every community is involved in international trade and they have their people who are known for travelling. So, lots of international events and stories would be brought to the communities.

I am not big on argument and all as i see people do here but I do know that history confirms that Israel was one before it became 2 nations and that they were driven out of the land several as Moses foretold them and then somewhere in Isaiah or so, God foresaid that He would bring them back and that they would never be moved again. Which we can see that since Israel returned in 1947, they have never been moved again and from the looks of things no one will ever be able to drive them out of there again.

The OPs scenario explicitly states that they are isolated so no recent history. Plus they are unfamiliar with the Bible which means they have no idea it existed before which mean they probably don't know of anything of any of the historical context of it. But speculation aside stick to OPs scenario instead of inventing one and answering that as if it was OPs original question.

I need specific verses please and how exactly they were fulfilled.

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 10:28pm On Nov 06

MaxInDHouse:
Among thousands of prophecies there is one that nobody can deny!

In the Bible the God (as you often say) promised to destroy one ancient nation that was really great back then (Babylon) history revealed the this nation was truly great in the 7th century b.c.e.

Of course we may conclude that this prophecy might have been written after the destruction of Babylon but what about another strange thing God said about this nation?

She will never be inhabited, Nor will she be a place to reside in throughout all generations. No Arab will pitch his tent there, And no shepherds will rest their flocks there. Isaiah 13:20 compare to Jeremiah 50:39

But regarding Jerusalem that the Babylonians destroyed centuries before Jesus see what this God said about JERUSALEM:

And people will inhabit her; and there will never again be a curse of destruction, and Jerusalem will be inhabited insecurity. Zechariah 14:11

Today Jerusalem is inhabited even though it's not by its former inhabitants but that name remains till our day. In fact people are traveling to Jerusalem but what about Babylon?
Well it has remain a ruin till today.

Please is that also coincidental?🤔

Where in Jeremiah 50:39 or Isasiah 13:20 does it say Babylon the CITY? Isaiah 13:5 even tells you it is the ENTIRE NATION not just the city.

The so called prophecy about Jerusalem says they will dwell safely, look up the last time there was violence in Jerusalem.

Re: Hypothetical Question by Templee333(m): 10:29pm On Nov 06

MaxInDHouse:
Can you walk at night in the midst of people who organized the highlighted system?

Can you walk up to anyone in the same community confident that they will house you because their so called "CONSTITUTIONS" have molded them?

Well among Jehovah's Witnesses throughout the world i can do all of that.

Funny atheist!😂

They are ORGANIZED yet you're scared to walk at night and they are even using weapons to keep their so called CONSTITUTIONS!

unfortunately, my Jehovah's witnesses brothers in enugu state didn't house me when I was homeless, but a non church goer accommodated me. Also, in bayelsa state a Jw brother sent me out of his house while I was serving where the need is greater and still a zealous and and active member of the same cong with him.

Re: Hypothetical Question by FayaBall: 12:50am On Nov 07

LordReed:
The OPs scenario explicitly states that they are isolated so no recent history. Plus they are unfamiliar with the Bible which means they have no idea it existed before which mean they probably don't know of anything of any of the historical context of it. But speculation aside stick to OPs scenario instead of inventing one and answering that as if it was OPs original question.

I need specific verses please and how exactly they were fulfilled.

That is the problem with all these delusional things. You can't use a real thing to solve an unreal thing. If they are isolated then, they should remain isolated as no Bible or foreign book would get there

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Re: Hypothetical Question by Roycemadeit(op): 6:50am On Nov 07

FayaBall:
Yet you have been crying and complaining about God removing the inhabitants of the land to give it to Isreal.

That means both you and your talks here and everywhere are fictional. As people are saying your screws are loose

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I haven't cried or complained about anything. I am showing believers what they would have questioned if they were not programmed to deem holy and infallible, a book diped in contradiction, discrepancies, inhumanity, and poor judgement.

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Re: Hypothetical Question by Roycemadeit(op): 7:07am On Nov 07

SIRTee15:
The would believe God is the creator of the universe.
God calls for repentance and for people to abandon all false gods and worship him ALONE.
He has a son called Jesus Christ and he sent him into the world as saviour for the whole mankind.
Jesus Christ calls for repentance, salvation is through grace and not works.
The gospel of Christ is for the whole humanity and it welcomes people into the kingdom of God through believing in Christ.
Jesus Christ died, was buried and he resurrected. His death is the atonement for sin.
His disciples took on the responsibility of spreading the gospel to all nations.
Jesus Christ is coming back this time as king and Judge.

Above is an unbiased and non denominational literal interpretation of the bible.

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You have listed several theological claims. But consider a few things:

1. God as Creator: How does reading a book establish that its claims about the Creator are true? Shouldn't those claims be examined independently? For one, your ancestors were beaten and manipulated into accepting the God that was ferried from Europe.

2. Jesus as God's Son and Saviour: Have you considered that the nature of Jesus and his relationship with God were subjects of intense theological disputes, including at the Councils of Nicaea and Constantinople?

3. Salvation through grace: This is a theological interpretation developed through centuries of Christian debate. It isn't something every neutral reader would automatically conclude. By the way, it sponsors irresponsibility and corruption as grace would determine the destination of a believer not his works, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy."

4. Jesus' death and resurrection: The Gospel accounts were written decades after his lifetime, by different authors, and contain differences that deserve examination, just as his divinity were deliberated upon.

5. His disciples spreading the Gospel: Jesus didn't write a book and leave behind a completed religious canon. His teachings were transmitted by others. How do you establish that the accounts eventually selected and preserved represent the complete and unaltered story?

6. Christianity's worldwide spread: Christianity existed before Constantine, but its adoption by the Roman Empire and subsequent imperial patronage shaped its institutional development and expansion. Its history cannot be separated from politics, councils and human decisions.

You have presented what Christians believe after centuries of theological development.

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Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:53am On Nov 07

LordReed:
Where in Jeremiah 50:39 or Isasiah 13:20 does it say Babylon the CITY? Isaiah 13:5 even tells you it is the ENTIRE NATION not just the city.

Hmmmmmmmm, now check the first verse of Jeremiah 50 so you can know the city Jeremiah was talking about!

LordReed:
The so called prophecy about Jerusalem says they will dwell safely, look up the last time there was violence in Jerusalem.

NO!
The prophecy says Jerusalem will remain inhabited unlike Babylon that will no longer exist!

Regarding Jerusalem's security that is SPIRITUAL not PHYSICAL because peace will only reign globally when God's Kingdom come!

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 8:57am On Nov 07

Templee333:
Unfortunately, my Jehovah's witnesses brothers in enugu state didn't house me.

You that's not straightforward shey?
Who will house a faithless man as a believer?
Ọmọ i'm talking about faithful servants of God who knows our spiritual language. Definitely you have displayed your faithless attitude so nobody will take you seriously as one of us.
The people you are talking about already know you're faithless!🙂

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 9:28am On Nov 07

FayaBall:
That is the problem with all these delusional things. You can't use a real thing to solve an unreal thing. If they are isolated then, they should remain isolated as no Bible or foreign book would get there

It is more delusional to think a work of fiction is real.

Now can you mention the actual verses or no.

Re: Hypothetical Question by Dtruthspeaker: 9:30am On Nov 07

Roycemadeit:
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I haven't cried or complained about anything. I am showing believers what they would have questioned if they were not programmed to deem holy and infallible, a book diped in contradiction, discrepancies, inhumanity, and poor judgement.

This one thinks that unless tears comes out, he is not crying. Without a doubt you are far from rationality.

Plus, if we did not ask questions how could we have answered you to the point that you longer could say anything valid.(Rhetorical question)

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 9:35am On Nov 07*

MaxInDHouse:
Hmmmmmmmm, now check the first verse of Jeremiah 50 so you can know the city Jeremiah was talking about!

50 This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah the prophet concerning Babylon and the land of the Babylonians

It's clearly about the ENTIRE NATION.

NO!
The prophecy says Jerusalem will remain inhabited unlike Babylon that will no longer exist!

Regarding Jerusalem's security that is SPIRITUAL not PHYSICAL because peace will only reign globally when God's Kingdom come!

WRONG! There is no comparison between Jerusalem and Babylon in Zechariah 14.

And if this is still some future event then it is NOT A FULFILLED prophecy.

Re: Hypothetical Question by Dtruthspeaker: 9:40am On Nov 07

LordReed:
It is more delusional to think a work of fiction is real.

Now can you mention the actual verses or no.

No reasonable person ever thinks a fiction is real but every reasonable person knows that "a delusional thing such as this ops' contraption is not real and can never be real. So no one can use a real thing to solve the unreal thing."

Re: Hypothetical Question by Dtruthspeaker: 9:44am On Nov 07*

Roycemadeit:
You have listed several theological claims. But consider a few things:

1. God as Creator: How does reading a book establish that its claims about the Creator are true? Shouldn't those claims be examined .

Is it not book you used to establish that Newton is the father of physics?

Plus, your threads showed you examined it and even you found that God is the Creator as the Bible claimed.

But, i have said all these before in your threads, and you could not answer, so let me go let the person you addressed, respond to you.

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:42pm On Nov 07

LordReed:
50 This is the word the Lord spoke through Jeremiah the prophet concerning Babylon and the land of the Babylonians
It's clearly about the ENTIRE NATION.

Babylon is the glory or as people will say today CAPITAL city of the ancient Chaldeans so it's not about the entire nation that the eternal destruction will affect but their capital city BABYLON!🙂

LordReed:
WRONG! There is no comparison between Jerusalem and Babylon in Zechariah 14.
And if this is still some future event then it is NOT A FULFILLED prophecy.

I never said the Bible compare the two nah!😂

What i'm saying is the city called Babylon will no longer exist and it happened.
God also said Jerusalem will be inhabited continually and it's so!🙂

Re: Hypothetical Question by FxMasterz: 6:53am On Nov 08

Roycemadeit:
Imagine an isolated English-speaking community that has never encountered Christianity. They have no churches, missionaries, pastors or prior knowledge of the Bible.

One day, a Bible mysteriously lands in their community. They discover it, read it from Genesis to Revelation and interpret it without anyone teaching them what to believe or telling them that it is God's word.

What do you think would be the most likely outcome?

Your question is already answered practically. Everyone who genuinely encounters the Bible have only outcome- A Changed Life

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 9:01am On Nov 08

MaxInDHouse:
Babylon is the glory or as people will say today CAPITAL city of the ancient Chaldeans so it's not about the entire nation that the eternal destruction will affect but their capital city BABYLON!🙂

This is the thing with you people something that is written korokoro in the Bible you will use interpretation to twist it to fit your narrative. The verse says clearly the land of the Babylonians but here you are saying it is only the city.

I never said the Bible compare the two nah!😂

What i'm saying is the city called Babylon will no longer exist and it happened.
God also said Jerusalem will be inhabited continually and it's so!🙂

Bro you wrote this:

MaxInDHouse:
NO!
The prophecy says Jerusalem will remain inhabited unlike Babylon that will no longer exist!

If this is not saying that the prophecy is comparing the 2 cities then you need to learn how to write better sentences.

BTW Jerusalem has been destroyed and abandoned at least twice in its history so how is this a remarkable prophecy? It is like prophesying that a spoilt road will be rebuilt.

Re: Hypothetical Question by Roycemadeit(op): 7:17pm On Nov 08

FxMasterz:
Your question is already answered practically. Everyone who genuinely encounters the Bible have only outcome- A Changed Life

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This is untrue. Nobody found the bible without first meeting someone to culture the new readers. If you wanted an unbias answer since you are using A.I.

Ask the same question I asked
Let me help you with the prompt.

An isolated English-speaking community with no prior knowledge of Christianity finds a Bible, reads it independently from Genesis to Revelation, and must interpret it without any outside guidance.
Based strictly on historical, sociological, and human psychological probability, which of these three specific outcomes is the most likely? Provide a direct answer and the core reasons why:

1. They would recognize it as the word of their Creator and become Christians.

2. They would find it an interesting collection of stories but question its supernatural claims.

3. They would consider it strange mythology, filled with contradictions and unbelievable accounts, and reject it as true stories.

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 12:12am On Nov 09

LordReed:
How is this a remarkable prophecy? It is like prophesying that a spoilt road will be rebuilt.

That's the point i'm making!

Both cities existed during the time this prophecy was recorded while Babylon was like a world trade center Jerusalem was relatively small but the Bible said Jerusalem will be inhabited and despite being destroyed twice it continues to be inhabited till today. The Bible also said Babylon will no longer be inhabited and that is exactly what happened.
Now if a road is spoilt can you confidently say it will never be rebuilt again?
Well that's what the Bible God said about Babylon and it has been so till this day!🙂

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 6:38am On Nov 09*

MaxInDHouse:
That's the point i'm making!

Both cities existed during the time this prophecy was recorded while Babylon was like a world trade center Jerusalem was relatively small but the Bible said Jerusalem will be inhabited and despite being destroyed twice it continues to be inhabited till today. The Bible also said Babylon will no longer be inhabited and that is exactly what happened.
Now if a road is spoilt can you confidently say it will never be rebuilt again?
Well that's what the Bible God said about Babylon and it has been so till this day!🙂

First off it was not only the Babylon city that the prophecy said will be destroyed and be uninhibited, it was the entire land. That didn't happen. Second the city was not destroyed and then became uninhibited, rather over time the population decreased and then was no longer viable because a bigger city had grown beside it. So on 2 counts the prophecy already failed. Is 33/100 pass mark where you come from?

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 11:05pm On Nov 09

LordReed:
First off it was not only the Babylon city that the prophecy said will be destroyed and be uninhibited, it was the entire land. That didn't happen. Second the city was not destroyed and then became uninhibited, rather over time the population decreased and then was no longer viable because a bigger city had grown beside it. So on 2 counts the prophecy already failed. Is 33/100 pass mark where you come from?

How many cities has the wall that Nebuchadnezzar built with a huge canal behind it?
Because that is exactly the place God talked about o!
So does that walled city still exist today?
The answer is NO!

Whereas Jerusalem is still a place where people are living till today!😂

Re: Hypothetical Question by LordReed(m): 11:34am On Nov 10

MaxInDHouse:
How many cities has the wall that Nebuchadnezzar built with a huge canal behind it?
Because that is exactly the place God talked about o!
So does that walled city still exist today?
The answer is NO!

Whereas Jerusalem is still a place where people are living till today!😂

If I prophesy that a meteor will smash the twon you live in and your house will become uninhabitable, will the prophesy have been fulfilled if no meteor strikes your town but you move out of the house and nobody moves into the house. How can this be considered fulfilled prophecy?

Show me the Bible passage that said only the city will be destroyed and become uninhabitable.

Re: Hypothetical Question by MaxInDHouse(m): 2:58pm On Nov 10

LordReed:
Show me the Bible passage that said only the city will be destroyed and become uninhabitable.

You're really trying to convince yourself with lies shey?
Well the prophecy about Babylon wasn't written in just a book.

Babylon, the jewel of kingdoms, the pride and glory of the Babylonians, will be overthrown by God like Sodom and Gomorrah. She will never be inhabited or lived in through all generations; there no nomads will pitch their tents, there no shepherds will rest their flocks. ‭Isaiah 13:19-20 NIV‬ 🙂

Re: Hypothetical Question by Judas1X: 7:53pm On Nov 10

FayaBall:
Yet you have been crying and complaining about God removing the inhabitants of the land to give it to Isreal.

That means both you and your talks here and everywhere are fictional. As people are saying your screws are loose

Bro we'll soon enter 2027. As e be like this, white hair don cover your full head and face. Don't you think you're too old to be using two monikers on the same thread at the same time?

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