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Mashiach is not a figure who comes, dies, rises, and leaves the world waiting for the rest of the promises to happen.

In Tanakh it describes a future of restoration, justice, peace, the reunification of Israel, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

Lets look at what the prophets actually say......

1. MASHIACH IS CONNECTED TO THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:5–8
A righteous Branch from David who will reign as king, administer justice, and bring Judah AND Israel to dwell securely. It even describes the gathering of Israel from the lands where they were scattered.

Ezekiel 37:21–28
The gathering of the children of Israel from the nations, our reunification as one nation, and David as our king. HaShem establishes an everlasting covenant of peace with us not a new testament.

This is not merely a promise of an invisible spiritual kingdom. The prophecy speaks about Israel, its people, its restoration, and its future under HaShem's appointed ruler.

2. MASHIACHS REIGN BRINGS WORLDWIDE PEACE

Isaiah 2:2–4 describes the nations coming to learn HaShems ways. Not mashiachs ways

They will turn their weapons into agricultural tools, and nation will no longer lift up sword against nation.

Micah 4:1–4 repeats this vision, describing people living securely, each under their own vine and fig tree, without fear.

Isaiah 11:6–9
A world in which violence and destruction cease.

These are extraordinary promises. The prophets describe a transformed world, not simply a religious movement spreading while warfare, oppression, and injustice continue.

3. THE NATIONS WILL RECOGNIZE HASHEM NO OTHER NAME.

Zechariah 14:9 HaShem will be King over all the earth.

Isaiah 45:23 declares that every knee will bow and every tongue will swear allegiance to Him (HaShem)

Jeremiah 16:19–21 nations coming from the ends of the earth and recognizing that their former gods were false.

The destination of the nations is the worship and recognition of HaShem. The prophets repeatedly direct humanity toward the G-D of Israel.

4. THE TORAH REMAINS CENTRAL TO THE FUTURE

Isaiah 2:3 says that Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of HaShem from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 gives the same vision.

Ezekiel 36:26–27 describes HaShem giving Israel a new heart and putting His spirit within them so they will walk in His statutes and observe His commandments.

Jeremiah 31:31–34 Arenewed covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, with TORAH written upon their hearts.

Notice what the prophets envision people living in obedience to HaShem, not the disappearance of His Torah or worship of another.

5. THE DAVIDIC MESSIAH SERVES HASHEM

Jeremiah 33:14–17 HaShem fulfilling His promise to David through a righteous Branch who will execute justice and righteousness.

Ezekiel 34:23–24 describes David as a shepherd over Israel, while HaShem Himself remains our G-D.

Ezekiel 37:24–25 again identifies David as HaShem's servant and king.

The picture is consistent HaShem appoints His ruler, establishes His kingdom, restores His people, and brings justice to the earth.

THE POINT

Christianity has its interpretation of these passages, but an interpretation is not the same as the plain promises written in the Hebrew.

The prophets describe Israel restored, Jerusalem elevated, the nations learning Torah, worldwide peace, justice, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

These promises should not be dismissed, spiritualized away, or treated as unimportant.

I stand with the words of the prophets. I believe HaShem's promises. I believe His covenant remains meaningful, His Torah remains holy, and His word will accomplish everything He has declared.

The future belongs to HaShem.

All nations will recognize His sovereignty. All creation will witness His greatness. And His Name will be exalted throughout the earth.

All glory belongs to HaShem alone.

sonmvayina:
Mashiach is not a figure who comes, dies, rises, and leaves the world waiting for the rest of the promises to happen.

In Tanakh it describes a future of restoration, justice, peace, the reunification of Israel, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

Lets look at what the prophets actually say......

1. MASHIACH IS CONNECTED TO THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:5–8
A righteous Branch from David who will reign as king, administer justice, and bring Judah AND Israel to dwell securely. It even describes the gathering of Israel from the lands where they were scattered.

Ezekiel 37:21–28
The gathering of the children of Israel from the nations, our reunification as one nation, and David as our king. HaShem establishes an everlasting covenant of peace with us not a new testament.

This is not merely a promise of an invisible spiritual kingdom. The prophecy speaks about Israel, its people, its restoration, and its future under HaShem's appointed ruler.

2. MASHIACHS REIGN BRINGS WORLDWIDE PEACE

Isaiah 2:2–4 describes the nations coming to learn HaShems ways. Not mashiachs ways

They will turn their weapons into agricultural tools, and nation will no longer lift up sword against nation.

Micah 4:1–4 repeats this vision, describing people living securely, each under their own vine and fig tree, without fear.

Isaiah 11:6–9
A world in which violence and destruction cease.

These are extraordinary promises. The prophets describe a transformed world, not simply a religious movement spreading while warfare, oppression, and injustice continue.

3. THE NATIONS WILL RECOGNIZE HASHEM NO OTHER NAME.

Zechariah 14:9 HaShem will be King over all the earth.

Isaiah 45:23 declares that every knee will bow and every tongue will swear allegiance to Him (HaShem)

Jeremiah 16:19–21 nations coming from the ends of the earth and recognizing that their former gods were false.

The destination of the nations is the worship and recognition of HaShem. The prophets repeatedly direct humanity toward the G-D of Israel.

4. THE TORAH REMAINS CENTRAL TO THE FUTURE

Isaiah 2:3 says that Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of HaShem from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 gives the same vision.

Ezekiel 36:26–27 describes HaShem giving Israel a new heart and putting His spirit within them so they will walk in His statutes and observe His commandments.

Jeremiah 31:31–34 Arenewed covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, with TORAH written upon their hearts.

Notice what the prophets envision people living in obedience to HaShem, not the disappearance of His Torah or worship of another.

5. THE DAVIDIC MESSIAH SERVES HASHEM

Jeremiah 33:14–17 HaShem fulfilling His promise to David through a righteous Branch who will execute justice and righteousness.

Ezekiel 34:23–24 describes David as a shepherd over Israel, while HaShem Himself remains our G-D.

Ezekiel 37:24–25 again identifies David as HaShem's servant and king.

The picture is consistent HaShem appoints His ruler, establishes His kingdom, restores His people, and brings justice to the earth.

THE POINT

Christianity has its interpretation of these passages, but an interpretation is not the same as the plain promises written in the Hebrew.

The prophets describe Israel restored, Jerusalem elevated, the nations learning Torah, worldwide peace, justice, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

These promises should not be dismissed, spiritualized away, or treated as unimportant.

I stand with the words of the prophets. I believe HaShem's promises. I believe His covenant remains meaningful, His Torah remains holy, and His word will accomplish everything He has declared.

The future belongs to HaShem.

All nations will recognize His sovereignty. All creation will witness His greatness. And His Name will be exalted throughout the earth.

All glory belongs to HaShem alone.

"....The prophets describe Israel restored, Jerusalem elevated, the nations learning Torah, worldwide peace, justice, and the universal recognition of HaShem..."
Matthew 5:17

sonmvayina:
Mashiach is not a figure who comes, dies, rises, and leaves the world waiting for the rest of the promises to happen.

In Tanakh it describes a future of restoration, justice, peace, the reunification of Israel, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

Lets look at what the prophets actually say......

1. MASHIACH IS CONNECTED TO THE RESTORATION OF ISRAEL

Jeremiah 23:5–8
A righteous Branch from David who will reign as king, administer justice, and bring Judah AND Israel to dwell securely. It even describes the gathering of Israel from the lands where they were scattered.

Ezekiel 37:21–28
The gathering of the children of Israel from the nations, our reunification as one nation, and David as our king. HaShem establishes an everlasting covenant of peace with us not a new testament.

This is not merely a promise of an invisible spiritual kingdom. The prophecy speaks about Israel, its people, its restoration, and its future under HaShem's appointed ruler.

2. MASHIACHS REIGN BRINGS WORLDWIDE PEACE

Isaiah 2:2–4 describes the nations coming to learn HaShems ways. Not mashiachs ways

They will turn their weapons into agricultural tools, and nation will no longer lift up sword against nation.

Micah 4:1–4 repeats this vision, describing people living securely, each under their own vine and fig tree, without fear.

Isaiah 11:6–9
A world in which violence and destruction cease.

These are extraordinary promises. The prophets describe a transformed world, not simply a religious movement spreading while warfare, oppression, and injustice continue.

3. THE NATIONS WILL RECOGNIZE HASHEM NO OTHER NAME.

Zechariah 14:9 HaShem will be King over all the earth.

Isaiah 45:23 declares that every knee will bow and every tongue will swear allegiance to Him (HaShem)

Jeremiah 16:19–21 nations coming from the ends of the earth and recognizing that their former gods were false.

The destination of the nations is the worship and recognition of HaShem. The prophets repeatedly direct humanity toward the G-D of Israel.

4. THE TORAH REMAINS CENTRAL TO THE FUTURE

Isaiah 2:3 says that Torah will go forth from Zion and the word of HaShem from Jerusalem.

Micah 4:2 gives the same vision.

Ezekiel 36:26–27 describes HaShem giving Israel a new heart and putting His spirit within them so they will walk in His statutes and observe His commandments.

Jeremiah 31:31–34 Arenewed covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, with TORAH written upon their hearts.

Notice what the prophets envision people living in obedience to HaShem, not the disappearance of His Torah or worship of another.

5. THE DAVIDIC MESSIAH SERVES HASHEM

Jeremiah 33:14–17 HaShem fulfilling His promise to David through a righteous Branch who will execute justice and righteousness.

Ezekiel 34:23–24 describes David as a shepherd over Israel, while HaShem Himself remains our G-D.

Ezekiel 37:24–25 again identifies David as HaShem's servant and king.

The picture is consistent HaShem appoints His ruler, establishes His kingdom, restores His people, and brings justice to the earth.

THE POINT

Christianity has its interpretation of these passages, but an interpretation is not the same as the plain promises written in the Hebrew.

The prophets describe Israel restored, Jerusalem elevated, the nations learning Torah, worldwide peace, justice, and the universal recognition of HaShem.

These promises should not be dismissed, spiritualized away, or treated as unimportant.

I stand with the words of the prophets. I believe HaShem's promises. I believe His covenant remains meaningful, His Torah remains holy, and His word will accomplish everything He has declared.

The future belongs to HaShem.

All nations will recognize His sovereignty. All creation will witness His greatness. And His Name will be exalted throughout the earth.

All glory belongs to HaShem alone.

So what is the name of this appointed ruler?

itzadorable333:
"....The prophets describe Israel restored, Jerusalem elevated, the nations learning Torah, worldwide peace, justice, and the universal recognition of HaShem..."
Matthew 5:17

it has not happened.....there is still wars and oppression.....

Isaiah says " men will hammer their swords into ploughshares......and learn of war no more...


that has not happened, so it is safe to say that the time spoken about has not come and by extension, the God's chosen messiah.

Truthseeker10:
So what is the name of this appointed ruler?

i am Not God....

when the time is right and we actually merit it, God will send the messiah that will lead the world to the worship of the God of Israel and usher in an era of world peace...no more oppression of any kind.

sonmvayina:
it has not happened.....there is still wars and oppression.....

Isaiah says " men will hammer their swords into ploughshares......and learn of war no more...


that has not happened, so it is safe to say that the time spoken about has not come and by extension, the God's chosen messiah.

"....that has not happened, so it is safe to say that the time spoken about has not come and by extension, the God's chosen messiah...."
Matthew 5:17

sonmvayina:
i am Not God....

when the time is right and we actually merit it, God will send the messiah that will lead the world to the worship of the God of Israel and usher in an era of world peace...no more oppression of any kind.

ok....so when this ruler comes, what would happen to your country, people and rulers?

sonmvayina:
Mashiach is not a figure who comes, dies, rises, and leaves the world waiting for the rest of the promises to happen.

In Tanakh it describes a future of restoration, justice, peace, the reunification of Israel, and the universal recognition of HaShem...

Is it you who is to tell whether the Messiah is to die or not Muslim?

Plus, Revelations shows peace and goodness comes in the new world and not in this world where things are getting worse as Jesus and the new testament prophecises. So, you miss.

sonmvayina:
i am Not God....

So what happens to
"we are God having human experience" 😟

Guy you are just funny walahi talahi!😂

MaxInDHouse:
So what happens to
"we are God having human experience" 😟

Guy you are just funny walahi talahi!😂

We are God's spirit having a human experience..........I have not said anything different.....

I am not the source....I and the source experiencing itself.

FayaBall:
Is it you who is to tell whether the Messiah is to die or not Muslim?

Plus, Revelations shows peace and goodness comes in the new world and not in this world where things are getting worse as Jesus and the new testament prophecises. So, you miss.

God created the earth to be inhabitanted by humans. We out of ignorance has created different religions to mislead people like Christianity. But in the beginning God only gave us divine laws to follow so that we live in peace. But people have created religion to control people.
God, through his prophets said a time is coming were everybody will know him and follow his laws. There will be no more wars and oppression of any kind. The person that will lead us into that era is the Messiah. He will also gather all Jews back to the promised land and bring peace with their neighbors......
The Messiah is not coming to die for sins. God has already given a solution to the problem of sin...see 2nd chronicles 7:14

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Truthseeker10:
ok....so when this ruler comes, what would happen to your country, people and rulers?

They will be gone by then and we will have righteous rulers who will follow God's laws and encourage others to do so....

[/quote][quote author=itzadorable333 post=141112319]"....that has not happened, so it is safe to say that the time spoken about has not come and by extension, the God's chosen messiah...."
Matthew 5:17

I am not sure if you read my initial post.
Re read it again , maybe a third time if you have to....so you don't ask questions that don't make sense...

Truthseeker10:
So what is the name of this appointed ruler?

Mr Peter obi and Musa kwakwaso...


Give them you vote if you have a voters card.....or you are a JW?

sonmvayina:
I am not sure if you read my initial post.
Re read it again , maybe a third time if you have to....so you don't ask questions that don't make sense...

Matthew 5:17

itzadorable333:
Matthew 5:17

When the Messiah comes there would be world wide peace, no more wars or oppression of any kind. America will convert all their bomber plans to tractor for farm use......has it happened? NOOOO.


So God has not sent his Messiah. Is it not simple enough.

Why are you dropping quote from?

You are slow in understanding....hope you get the new explanation.

sonmvayina:
When the Messiah comes there would be world wide peace, no more wars or oppression of any kind. America will convert all their bomber plans to tractor for farm use......has it happened? NOOOO.


So God has not sent his Messiah. Is it not simple enough.

Why are you dropping quote from?

You are slow in understanding....hope you get the new explanation.

"...So God has not sent his Messiah...."
Matthew 5:17

sonmvayina:
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They will be gone by then and we will have righteous rulers who will follow God's laws and encourage others to do so....

Which rulers are you referring to? Did you not say that the ruler would be one person to rule the whole earth?

Truthseeker10:
Which rulers are you referring to? Did you not say that the ruler would be one person to rule the whole earth?

No, I never said so....read it again.

I only said there would be a universal knowledge of the God of Israel....

The messiah is a Jewish king. ...

There would be no more war and oppression of any kind.....on a global scale....thats about it.

itzadorable333:
"...So God has not sent his Messiah...."
Matthew 5:17

Not yet...


He would be from the root of David......he would have a father who is of the family of David and a mother who is Jewish....

He is not divine in anyway.

sonmvayina:
Not yet...


He would be from the root of David......he would have a father who is of the family of David and a mother who is Jewish....

He is not divine in anyway.

"..He is not divine in anyway..."
Matthew 5:17

sonmvayina:
Not yet...


He would be from the root of David......he would have a father who is of the family of David and a mother who is Jewish....

He is not divine in anyway.

He is called the "Lord" , Heavenly armies bow to His commands , the Spirit of the Lord is in Him yet you say He is not Divine ?

Only a Divine Being can do all that have been shown to the Prophets that He would do . His emergence is so grand that the Heavenly bodies would shake! Water bodies would rise, earth would quake, Babylon would crumble before His power etc this cannot be for a mere mortal .

Yes, He is in flesh , identity undisclosed and His power shielded, but when His time has come, He would come on the scene after a great levelling tribulation has taken place...and it is not far any longer .

Africa is the prophetic Israel and Nigeria is the Prophetic Jerusalem. Many souls who were Jewish in the time of Jesus are now amongst the blacks.

Those who went into the Transatlantic Slavery are of Judah for West Africa is the prophetic Judah.

When the Lion of Judah rises, He would surely gather His people all over the world to the motherland. He would end evil governments on His Land and as the Son of God, He would reign. He would provide abundance to the people. Everyone shall own a home and enjoy the good things of life for free in exchange for kingdom duties and obedience to the Will of God which He would teach and entrench all over the world.

I could go into details about this but let me stop here for now.

Shalom.

sonmvayina:
We are God's spirit having a human experience..........I have not said anything different.....

I am not the source....I and the source experiencing itself.

Continue my guy continue at least you're entertaining people on this forum!😂

Isaiah 45:5
King James Bible
"I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me"

The Messiah will not come to be nailed to a cross, then sit beside God for two thousand years.

The Messiah will come once, as an anointed king, to rule and repair this world for good.

itzadorable333:
"..He is not divine in anyway..."
Matthew 5:17

God's chosen Messiah has not come...

If he has come, we would be enjoying world wide peace........

You will not need to quote any passage for me...we will see and experience it .....

sonmvayina:
God's chosen Messiah has not come...

If he has come, we would be enjoying world wide peace........

You will not need to quote any passage for me...we will see and experience it .....

"...God's chosen Messiah has not come..."
Matthew 5:17

sonmvayina:
No, I never said so....read it again.

I only said there would be a universal knowledge of the God of Israel....

The messiah is a Jewish king. ...

There would be no more war and oppression of any kind.....on a global scale....thats about it.

So you're saying that different rulers would continue to rule different people when the Messiah comes? If yes, kindly show us the where this is written.

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that different rulers would continue to rule different people when the Messiah comes? If yes, kindly show us the where this is written.

are you suggesting that the Jewish messiah will also rule Nigeria or Ghana?

the concept of a messiah is a Jewish concept
While the Messiah will be an absolute king over the Jewish people in the Land of Israel, he will not dissolve the identity of other nations. Non-Jewish nations will retain their distinct cultures and governments, but they will look to Jerusalem for moral direction. The world will be united under a shared commitment to universal morality, specifically formalized through the Seven Laws of Noah, which include prohibitions against murder, theft, and idolatry.

https://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/108400/jewish/The-End-of-Days.htm

Truthseeker10:
So you're saying that different rulers would continue to rule different people when the Messiah comes? If yes, kindly show us the where this is written.

Isaiah said that nations will come to him for counsel

Isaiah 11:10 :... nations shall seek his counsel, and his abode will be honored.

sonmvayina:
Isaiah said that nations will come to him for counsel

Isaiah 11:10 :... nations shall seek his counsel, and his abode will be honored.

Explain Daniel 2:44.

Truthseeker10:
Explain Daniel 2:44.

It is talking about the same age

MaxInDHouse:
Continue my guy continue at least you're entertaining people on this forum!😂

Hehehehe real entertainment