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| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Nobody: 3:55am On Apr 11, 2013 |
Seriously, are these mofos using wikipedia as a reliable source? Obatalo o! Wa wo nkan, lol |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 4:18am On Apr 11, 2013 |
shymexx: ^^^Go to bed and strategize on how to break the yoke of endless slavery that was imposed on your people by the culturally inferior fulani through jihad!!^ I am not Hausa...you mørøn, neither am I Igbo (before you start chasing shadows). As early as the 700s, the Hausa were smelting iron ore and trading and had well established and recognizable city states. What were the people who later came to be called Yoruba by outsiders doing at that time? [quote author=Texas.Cowgirl]Seriously, are these mofos using wikipedia as a reliable source? Obatalo o! Wa wo nkan, lol[/quote]At least I have produced some references...which can be easily verified for wikipedia usually has lists of references attached to its articles. Where are yours, eran oko? In any case, I have proven my initial assertion which was the name "Yoruba" originated from outside the people who bear that name today. It originated northwards of them and most probably from the Hausa. The only counter argument provided by some "Yoruba" NL defenders is veiled insults, who fail to realize that the name is not the people. Its just a convenient handle. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 4:44am On Apr 11, 2013 |
Here is a definitive source... THE HISTORY OF THE YORUBASO pari. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Abagworo(m): 7:50am On Apr 11, 2013 |
Even though the OP's assertions are hilarious, I'd like to make a little serious contribution. Like I've always written in the culture section, there was nothing like Igbo, Ijaw or Yoruba ethnic identity until very recently. Most of these people consist of different peoples that were living in distinct clans that their origins varied. Take the Anioma area for instance, we had people living side by side who knew their ancestory from present day Igala, Igbo, Yoruba, Edo etc but when it was made compulsory to have an ethnic affiliation, they happened to fall into the Igbo fold because majority spoke Igbo as 1st or 2nd language. It happened all across Southern Nigeria where Whitemen would notice language similarities and map it as one ethnic group and then give it a name. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Ibrahimmrfish(m): 8:25am On Apr 11, 2013*. Modified: 9:12am On Apr 11, 2013 |
:-) |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by splashbaby(m): 10:26am On Apr 11, 2013 |
@OP on a lighter note...the Egbas are never in search or in doubt of their ethnic origin...Igbos on the other hand are in serious search of ethnic Identity... from Jews to Bantu and now Igbo mina and Egba...the confusion crisis is taking a new dimension of uncertinty even as far as the Americas where recent efforts at dishing out modern myths as facts by relating more established ethnic group language,names and place as having Igbo influences because of their similarity in sounds. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by splashbaby(m): 10:43am On Apr 11, 2013 |
The Yorubas do share strong afinity with the Arabs as most of their ancient myth suggests. Most of their words and traditions are very similar. Studies and research consistently linked the Hausas to the influences of the Arabs just like the Yorubas. Certain Arab words are common among the Yorubas and Hausas. Observations of words found in Yoruba and Arab and not used in Hausa are also common...showing that the Yoruba do have independent access to the Arab language without any influences from the Hausas. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Mgbadike80: 10:55am On Apr 11, 2013 |
Op, search the internet for an article called the original homeland of the igalas is in anambra state. The article is scientifically written by archeologists with evidence provable to anyone. For example, the igala oracle at idah is an exact replica of the one at aguleri. The still abandoned settlement called aguleri iga at agueri etc. It will dispell much doubt from the thomases |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by bigfrancis21: 10:57am On Apr 11, 2013*. Modified: 11:15am On Apr 11, 2013 |
alj harem: I think I disagree with you in that aspect. I also don't think it is good to make misinforming comments. In as much as it is your opinion, we need to take into consideration how you minds are taking some of this post we write for example the OP is a clear example of misinformation by another party.Yoruba is not an indigenous language of Togo. The yoruba speakers found in Togo are yoruba migrants from Nigeria who still make return trips back to Nigeria. Emmanuel Adebayor, the Togolese player, was born in Togo to yoruba migrants from Nigeria. His father still strongly identifies with his ancestral home. Adebayor is as Togolese by birth as any Nigerian kid born in the US is an american by birth, not origin. Like someone mentioned before, the world is a global village and the presence of a migrant group in a foreign country doesn't make that group indigenous to that country. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by demmie1: 11:59am On Apr 11, 2013 |
splashbaby: So what are the ancestral link of the IGBO minas to the IGBOs in terms of culture, way of life, language, Religion and myth. You are the only historian so far developing this fatansy without proves.He is a mad...MAD historian |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by pazienza(m): 12:30pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Abagworo: Even though the OP's assertions are hilarious, I'd like to make a little serious contribution. Like I've always written in the culture section, there was nothing like Igbo, Ijaw or Yoruba ethnic identity until very recently. Most of these people consist of different peoples that were living in distinct clans that their origins varied. Take the Anioma area for instance, we had people living side by side who knew their ancestory from present day Igala, Igbo, Yoruba, Edo etc but when it was made compulsory to have an ethnic affiliation, they happened to fall into the Igbo fold because majority spoke Igbo as 1st or 2nd language. It happened all across Southern Nigeria where Whitemen would notice language similarities and map it as one ethnic group and then give it a name.You are wrong. Those igbo groups used to live in those distant lands,before the downward push and migration of other ethnic tribes into their areas,pushed them to a southern or eastern direction. When these groups say that their ancestors were from those distant lands,it doesn't mean that they are of the same stock with the present occupants of those lands. It means that they got displaced from those lands,into the area that now constitute igboland,in other words,they were igbos speaking,from the beginning. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by demmie1: 12:57pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
How did Ibo thread turn Yoruba thread? BTW, the Igbo recorded in Ife were modern day Ilaje/mahin people, they were referred to as ara Igbo (people from the forest) as Ife was a structured town at the time. remember that the language spoken then had evolved to what we speak now, it may have different meaning. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 2:07pm On Apr 11, 2013 |
Abagworo: Even though the OP's assertions are hilarious, I'd like to make a little serious contribution. Like I've always written in the culture section, there was nothing like Igbo, Ijaw or Yoruba ethnic identity until very recently. Most of these people consist of different peoples that were living in distinct clans that their origins varied. Take the Anioma area for instance, we had people living side by side who knew their ancestory from present day Igala, Igbo, Yoruba, Edo etc but when it was made compulsory to have an ethnic affiliation, they happened to fall into the Igbo fold because majority spoke Igbo as 1st or 2nd language. It happened all across Southern Nigeria where Whitemen would notice language similarities and map it as one ethnic group and then give it a name.Exactly the point I made earlier which some people took offence to... aletheia: The problem with we Africans is that we are a people who have lost a significant portion of our historical heritage. We have forgotten who we were and the little history that remains to us has been distorted through the lenses of colonialism. Much of what we call "tribes" today are artificial constructs imposed on us by colonialists. Our ancestors intermarried, traded, fought themselves and even swapped kings on occasion but it is not likely that they saw themselves in such ethnically jaundiced terms as so many on NL do these days. Case in point is Rwanda: most people are under the impression that Tutsis and Hutus are two different peoples. In truth, they are the same people. The artificial dichotomy was deliberately foisted upon them by colonialists who elevated the pastoral Tutsis above the Hutu agriculturalists. One people.Good to see that there are still a few on NL who are able to objectively sieve what is written without being blinkered by ethnic bigotry. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aljharem(m): 10:25am On Apr 14, 2013 |
bigfrancis21: Yoruba is not an indigenous language of Togo. The yoruba speakers found in Togo are yoruba migrants from Nigeria who still make return trips back to Nigeria. Emmanuel Adebayor, the Togolese player, was born in Togo to yoruba migrants from Nigeria. His father still strongly identifies with his ancestral home. Adebayor is as Togolese by birth as any Nigerian kid born in the US is an american by birth, not origin.can you people stop these ignorant statements. No one mentioned Adebayor as his parents are Nigerians. I am talking of indigeous Yorubas in Togo and not likes of Adebayor http://www.linguistik-online.de/43_10/fabunmi.pdf When we say Ewa Agoyin which is a type of beans who do you think we are refering to ? Do you know the meaning of Agoyin ? ![]() This is a book by Robert Smith in 1988 I please you an nnenna should educate yourselves if you are ignorant and stop arguing http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ric6OhxbCS0C&pg=PA55&dq=indigenous+Yorubas+in+TOGO&hl=en&sa=X&ei=o3NqUbyUKsSn0AXapYGQBg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=indigenous%20Yorubas%20in%20TOGO&f=false Go to places like Tado an Atakpame in togo, there are indigenous and even have a king The word Anago or Nago, where do you think it came from ? From Nigeria or from the sky ? The Itaha group of Togo what do you think they are ? You can educate yourselves more here http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=fwc5AAAAIAAJ&pg=PA14&lpg=PA14&dq=Yoruba+togo&source=bl&ots=baYzgidZ_o&sig=o__Iq2xgvY7b_1Re7dUp2aCGzkA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=pnRqUZyBD-2l0wXaloD4Cw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q=Yoruba%20togo&f=false PLEASE ABGAWORO, DO EVER COMPARE YORUBAS TO IGBOS. Igbos are migrates to Cameroun just as they are in Lagos. Yorubas are not Migrates but indignous |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aljharem(m): 10:32am On Apr 14, 2013 |
I mean it is ridicules to compare the history of yorubas with the history of Igbos. ![]() |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Abagworo(m): 10:36am On Apr 14, 2013 |
alj harem: can you people stop these ignorant statements. No one mentioned Adebayor as his parents are Nigerians.Alhaji boko haram please can you educate me on the origin of the name "Yoruba" and which people it was applied to? Were Ijebus Yorubas? Were Ijeshas Yorubas? I'm not interested in migration as everybody seems to have migrated and remigrated. Some people in Ondo like Ilaje claim to have migrated from Ife which means the present day Ilaje was not their home. Same applies to some Igbos that claim to have migrated from Benin and some Ijaws who claim to have migrated from Benin as well. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aljharem(m): 11:48am On Apr 14, 2013 |
Abagworo: Alhaji boko haram please can you educate me on the origin of the name "Yoruba" and which people it was applied to? Were Ijebus Yorubas? Were Ijeshas Yorubas? I'm not interested in migration as everybody seems to have migrated and remigrated. Some people in Ondo like Ilaje claim to have migrated from Ife which means the present day Ilaje was not their home. Same applies to some Igbos that claim to have migrated from Benin and some Ijaws who claim to have migrated from Benin as well.Now I know where your confusion is coming from. The word "yoruba" is a relatively new concept but the nation "Omo Yoruba or Omo Odua" is not new. Lets not mistake the two |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by splashbaby(m): 12:59pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
The name Oyinbo was an African invention...so because we call white people Oyinbo they originated from us abi...just as Hausas gave the name "Yoruba" (Yeriba) to omo Odua which now makes them a tribe of Hausas abi...this is what I call baseless logical calamity that some of our half educated friends on Nairaland are building hypothesis and myths on to achieve what I term...#ethnic re-invention |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Abagworo(m): 2:51pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
splashbaby: The name Oyinbo was an African invention...so because we call white people Oyinbo they originated from us abi...just as Hausas gave the name "Yoruba" (Yeriba) to omo Odua which now makes them a tribe of Hausas abi...this is what I call baseless logical calamity that some of our half educated friends on Nairaland are building hypothesis and myths on to achieve what I term...#ethnic re-inventionWhat of the Yorubas that are not descendants of Odua/Oduduwa? And what about the descendants of Odua that are now Igbos like Ugbodu in Delta or Edo? What about the descendants of ancient Benin that are now Yorubas in Ondo, Ekiti and Lagos State? My friend this ethnicity of a thing is complex and was geographically mapped to ease colonial administration. I've taken out time to study ethnicity of Southern Nigeria and its more complex than merely labelling people Igbo, Yoruba or whatever name. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 3:01pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
It would appear that the original name of the people we now call Yoruba was Nago. Yoruba was the name that the Hausa called them. The interesting question is : how is it that the people of SW Nigeria dropped their own name for themselves in favor of that of outsiders? "In 1880, the Catholic missionary Pierre Bouche published Études sur la langue Nago ou Yorouba. In it he identifies a population of 3 million people on the “slave coast” who call themselves Nago but who are called Yoroubas by their neighbors the Haoussas." |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Nobody: 3:49pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
aletheia: It would appear that the original name of the people we now call Yoruba was Nago. Yoruba was the name that the Hausa called them. The interesting question is : how is it that the people of SW Nigeria dropped their own name for themselves in favor of that of outsiders?The name Yoruba is more ancient than Hausa name itself. It is a corruption of Yohuuba a civilization which had their capital as Ubaidan (Ibadan). You don't know the history of Yorubas so shut up with your hearsay and bullsh!t stories cooked up. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Nobody: 3:57pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
Here's a piece from a forummer on Ghanacommunity .com that I thought was very insightful and I shd share with all.It's abt Ga-Adangbe history.Quite a long one but packed with info. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Nobody: 3:57pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
However, the name "GA" reflects mostly in the "Anglo-Ga" Language which means ;- the Eldest, the Oldest, or the First. While to the Ga-Adangbes "OTE, TELE, TETE or TETTEY" represents ;- the Eldest, Oldest, or the First. The Ga-Adangbe Nation; Like the Akan Nation, the Hausa (Ahusa) Nation, the Dagomba (Dakumba) Nation, the Anglo-Ga Nation, and many more, are relocated sub-Nations of the Ancient Nubian Dynasty of the Divine Asa, Sai, Osa, Osei, or Esiri Doctrine, which is alive and intact up to today. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 4:29pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
0lumide: The name Yoruba is more ancient than Hausa name itself. It is a corruption of Yohuuba a civilization which had their capital as Ubaidan (Ibadan). You don't know the history of Yorubas so shut up with your hearsay and bullsh!t stories cooked up.And where is the evidence for your "Yohuuba" and "Ubaidan"? Fanciful renditions. Objective readers not blinded by ethnocentric bias can judge between you and I who is peddling hearsay and bullshît here. I had already cited Samuel Johnson, who is a venerated Yoruba historian earlier. Here's another source. The first use of the term 'Yoruba' appears to be well before the 1600, at least within some parts of West Africa, although not among the Yoruba themselves. Ahmad Baba refers to the Yoruba as an ethnic group that was not Muslim and hence legitimately fell within the sphere of those who could be enslaved. The term in its Hausa form (Yorubawa, Yarabawa), appears to be very old, the -wa suffix commonly referring to 'the people of', as in Hausawa and Katsinawa, the people of Hausa and the people of Katsina. The term is used in the Arabic writings of Usuman dan Fodio and Muhammad Bello between c. 1795 and 1812, which suggests that the term was used among all Muslim peoples from at least as far west as Timbuktu and as far east as the Hausa statesThus several historical sources confirms the following: 1. The people of SW Nigeria did not call originally call themselves Yoruba 2. The origin of the name Yoruba is Hausa. It is the name the Hausa called the people of Oyo to the south of the Hausa city states 3. Sometime in the middle of the 19th century, that name extended to cover most of the people of the SW. What I find baffling is: 1. How did the people of the SW Nigeria forget their own name for themselves and adopt a Hausa appellation? 2. Why some of them on this thread are raving because the name Yoruba is Hausa in origin? It's just a name, and like I said earlier we must distinguish between the name and the people. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by Nobody: 5:10pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
aletheia: And where is the evidence for your "Yohuuba" and "Ubaidan"? Fanciful renditions. Objective readers not blinded by ethnocentric bias can judge between you and I who is peddling hearsay and bullshît here.Oga at the top, I no go fit de argue my tribe with you. I know more than the average Yoruba about Yorubas. I'm not someone schooled by some books. I was schooled by those who know about Yoruba's spiritual/cultural heritage more than some westernized scholars. The word Yoruba is older than Hausa itself. That I won't argue with you. Ask yourself how a very proud tribe will drop her name to adopt a name by another tribe? It's like as Hausas are calling Igbos Yamiri now and then Igbos will now accept such name as the central name for their tribe? Seriously, you need to check your "facts" with logical analysis. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by aletheia(m): 5:36pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
0lumide: Ask yourself how a very proud tribe will drop her name to adopt a name by another tribe? It's like as Hausas are calling Igbos Yamiri now and then Igbos will now accept such name as the central name for their tribe?This is an emotional argument. It is tangential. The name is different from the people. E.g We are Africans but it doesn't mean our ancestors came from somewhere in modern day Tunisia (no doubt the thrust of this sentence will escape you). Here are seven questions which you must answer to convince me. 1. Why does the name "Yoruba" not appear in the historical record before the 16th century? 2. Why is it that when it first appears it is used by a non-Yoruba person to describe the people of the SW? 3. Why does Samuel Johnson one of the earlier Yoruba historians agree that the name Yoruba is from the Hausa? 4. Why do other historians before and after Samuel Johnson agree with him? 5. Why is there no historical record either in writing or otherwise that shows the ethnic people of the SW referring to themselves as "Yoruba" before it appears in writing by Songhai and Hausa historians? 6. What is the meaning of the name "Yoruba"? 7. Why is it that I have posted references to support my arguments but all you advance is classic appeal to authority: 0lumide: ...I no go fit de argue my tribe with you. I know more than the average Yoruba about Yorubas. I'm not someone schooled by some books. I was schooled by those who know about Yoruba's spiritual/cultural heritage more than some westernized scholars.Your claims are not verifiable, neither have you advanced evidence in support. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by ezeagu(m): 5:43pm On Apr 14, 2013 |
splashbaby: @OP on a lighter note...the Egbas are never in search or in doubt of their ethnic origin...Igbos on the other hand are in serious search of ethnic Identity... from Jews to Bantu and now Igbo mina and Egba...the confusion crisis is taking a new dimension of uncertinty even as far as the Americas where recent efforts at dishing out modern myths as facts by relating more established ethnic group language,names and place as having Igbo influences because of their similarity in sounds.Yet Oduduwa was said to be from Saudi Arabia in traditional folklore. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by splashbaby(m): 6:03am On Apr 15, 2013 |
ezeagu: Yet Oduduwa was said to be from Saudi Arabia in traditional folklore.Correct, I'm happy you know this without some people forcing some internet gibberish tales on you...that was a very old folklore handed down from several generations unaltered...not an internet developed myths..in all these myths Ile Ife played a significant spiritual role in the Origin of the Yorubas, relics and existing tradition of people from this town collaborates some of these myths. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by OsunOriginal: 6:43am On Apr 15, 2013 |
splashbaby: Waoo are u serious? Hope this is not a spurious claim. I have never heard of that in any historic literature...May be you have access to certain reasonable facts to prove these claims...it will be interesting if you can share it with us though!You see, igbos dont have history. The reason they struggle everyday to put unreasonable events together as history. How on earth will a sane person with a sense of history say some Yorubas are igbo decendants? What do we share in common with Yaminrins? Igalas are Yorubas - nothing igbotic in their lineage. Igbos are liars and only looking for a link that doesnt exist because of oil in igala land. |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by OdenigboAroli(m): 8:33am On Apr 15, 2013 |
OsunOriginal: You see, igbos dont have history. The reason they struggle everyday to put unreasonable events together as history. How on earth will a sane person with a sense of history say some Yorubas are igbo decendants? What do we share in common with Yaminrins? Igalas are Yorubas - nothing igbotic in their lineage. Igbos are liars and only looking for a link that doesnt exist because of oil in igala land.Firsty,the Igala aren't yoruba and they never claimed to be. We never regard them as Igbo because we are close neighbor and we understands their cultural make-up. Lots of Igala communities originated from Anambra and practice some Igbo traditions but they still have to learn Igbo as a second language. We are very good neighbor to the Igala and vice versa and infact we you get to that Anambra north axis I promise you won't be able to tell who is Igbo and who is Igala. Most of Igala from that axis speak the original omanbala Igbo and some Igbo in that area do speak Igala. We are like brothers and we coexist,peacefully. I will take your rants about Igbo not having history as sentimental reasoning. And just so you know,all the oil wells in dispute are located on Aguleri land,known as "Aguleri-otu". So,what oil in Igala lands are you talking about. Abeg,scram,joor! |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by austinfrancis(m): 9:42am On Jul 14, 2013 |
Thank you Naira land ! I am an Igala man . I was never taught on how to speak yoruba neither was I born or brought up there but you can't speak two or three word in yoruba that I don't know the meaning , reason is that blood is thicker than water . I am yet to see how we are close to ibo . Though am aware many of their culture are borrowed from igala culture Obi of Onitsha said that on one of Ofalla festival |
| Re: Anambra Kogi Oil Well Controversy: The Igalas Are Descendants Of The Igbos by kunlekunle: 10:14am On Jul 14, 2013 |
Thankgodifeduba: many yoruba tribes are igbos. Especially the Egba and Igbo mina peoplealso oyo and ife pple. damn u akpu eater. |
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