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^{Dr Femi Aribisala}

I went through the article yesterday

and even carried out some systematic investigation into Dr Femi Aribisala,

this was to suss him out and find out what makes him tick

It was an effort to see where is he coming from, where he is at, where he is heading

and to understand why he is controversial and/or stoking controversies

Dr Femi Aribisala should be mentioning which bible translations when quoting his scriptures

The journalist (i.e. Gbenro Adeoye) could have done a better and proper work for the record, of extracting the vital detail of which bible translation was used off Dr Femi Aribisala.

I am sorry but it has to be said, it seemed Dr Femi Aribisala had verbal diarrhea, he spoke his mind without filtering and the consequences is this extremely hilarious babble that is funny and insulting to all reading, that David did not kill Goliath.

I admire Dr Femi Aribisala's zeal but he should learn to keep his random thoughts from exploding, if he doesn't know how to shut up, to stop words from flowing out and becoming comic relief.

David was a boy when he killed Goliath, even his older brothers treated him like a boy and not a man.

He had no followers or men at this stage as he was still at home tending the sheep

- Now David went to and from Saul, looking after his father's sheep at Beth-lehem
@^1 Samuel 17:15 (Bible in Basic English)

Even King Saul said to David ". . . for you are only a boy . . ." when David volunteered to fight Goliath

- And Saul said to David,
You are not able to go out against this Philistine and have a fight with him: for you are only a boy,
and he has been a man of war from his earliest days.
@^1 Samuel 17:33 (Bible in Basic English)

Goliath had a poor opinion of David when David approached him to fight because he saw that David was only a boy.

- And when the Philistine, taking note, saw David, he had a poor opinion of him: for he was only a boy, red-haired and good-looking.
@^1 Samuel 17:42 (Bible in Basic English)

Dr Femi Aribisala is exaggerating and on cloud cuckoo land.

as 1 Samuel 17:51 and 2 Samuel 21:19 are different timelines, different Goliaths and different state of things (i.e. Single boy David and Leader Man David now leading a group of men)

- So running up to the Philistine and putting his foot on him, David took his sword out of its cover, and put him to death, cutting off his head with it. And when the Philistines saw that their fighter was dead, they went in flight
@^1 Samuel 17:51 (Bible in Basic English)

- And again there was war with the Philistines at Gob, and Elhanan, the son of Jair the Beth-lehemite, put to death Goliath the Gittite, the stem of whose spear was like a cloth-worker's rod
@^2 Samuel 21:19 (Bible in Basic English)

- And there was again a battle in Gob with the Philistines, where Elhanan the son of Jaareoregim, a Bethlehemite, slew [color=#000000]the brother of[/color] Goliath the Gittite, the staff of whose spear was like a weaver's beam.
@^2 Samuel 21:19 (King James Version)

Now KJV translators aware of 1 Chronicles 20:5, knew confusion could cause readers to mistake the Goliath killed in 1 Samuel 17:51 with the one killed in 1 Chronicles 20:5 had to insert the italicized "the brother of" in 2 Samuel 21:19 to point out the differences but others translations such as NIV, NASB, Bible in Basic English couldn't be bothered or didn't bother.

- And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam
@^1 Chronicles 20:5 (Same with all versions/translations)

- by the way, a chronicle is a factual written account of important or historical events in the order of their occurrence, recording related series of events in a factual and detailed way. That is the distinction and difference of Chronicles

So, long story short, a Goliath was killed when David was a boy and a Goliath was killed by one of David's men (i.e. when David was a man and leader with followers)

https://www.nairaland.com/1466180/pastors-collecting-tithes-robbers-david#18600550

barefootbandit: I would love to believe this, but unfortunately upon checking I have come across more problems. 2 Samuel talks about four deaths, 1 chronicles talks about only three. Not only does this make Samuel appear more detailed and original but remember Dr. Femi said there were two sides, the pro-David and anti-David factions. Have you wondered why the writers of chronicles exempted the fourth death? Let me read the fourth death to you:

"There was another war between the Philistines and Israel, and David and his men went and fought the Philistines. During one of the battles, David grew tired. A giant named Ishbibenob, who was carrying a bronze spear that weighed about three and a half kilogrammes and who was wearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David's help, attacked the giant and killed him. Then David's men made him promise that he would never again go out with them to battle." 2 Samuel 15-17

The fourth death exposes David's weakness. It describes him as an ordinary man who gets tired and needs help, a very different image from the mighty man we all assumed. It is possible that the pro-David writers saw this and decided to exempt that passage, or else why else could they have.

And so if they could do this then why could they not also distort that of Elhanan killing Goliath? If jesus grew tired after a long walk then what's the big deal with david growing tired. Its a human thing. David could have been mighty but he was also a man. Guy you come across as an attention seeker. Just drop the topic will ya!

noblefada: You see reading the bible for yourself will help a lot, your see the family of goliath were a family of giants, I decided to quote the whole chapter for you to see this:
1Ch 20:1-8 KJV 1 And it came to pass, that after the year was expired, at the time that kings go out to battle, Joab led forth the power of the army, and wasted the country of the children of Ammon, and came and besieged Rabbah. But David tarried at Jerusalem. And Joab smote Rabbah, and destroyed it. 2 And David took the crown of their king from off his head, and found it to weigh a talent of gold, and there were precious stones in it; and it was set upon David's head: and he brought also exceeding much spoil out of the city. 3 And he brought out the people that were in it, and cut them with saws, and with harrows of iron, and with axes. Even so dealt David with all the cities of the children of Ammon. And David and all the people returned to Jerusalem. 4 And it came to pass after this, that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines; at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai, that was of the children of the giant: and they were subdued. 5 And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam. 6 And yet again there was war at Gath, where was a man of great stature, whose fingers and toes were four and twenty, six on each hand, and six on each foot: and he also was the son of the giant. 7 But when he defied Israel,I Jonathan the son of Shimea David's brother slew him. 8 These were born unto the giant in Gath; and they fell by the hand of David, and by the hand of his servants.
David and his men were responsible for wiping them out.

noblefada: Pls don't be too in hurry to comment. I didn't say he was an atheist because he questioned convention noblefath , guess you didn't read the part where I stated I did a background check.

majorgr: This is very obvious from English language point of view. It said the brother of Goliath! Not goliath him self. I don't knw the version u were using but pls note that they are other false translators whose business is to get ur money always go for an authorized version of Bible whose source u can trust. Also, just cuz u read a single scripture doesn't establish any truth. At the witness of two or three or more the issue is establish. U only brought one uninteligent interpretation of scripture which certainly u didn't read well cuz u cant differentiate brother from the actual person. I like someone's analysis up dis post he/she brought abt two scripture clarifying ur ignorant post! I quote: "study to show urself aprove unto God a workman who nid not be afraid, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF THRUTH". Again, "study to be quiet"! Don't be in a hurry to air ur views without first researching diligently abt it. No offence!

barefootbandit: I am sorry if anyone doubts my sincerity in finding the truth, but the fact that I am questioning some passages in the bible should prove I am earnestly seeking after truth.

The original Hebrew scriptures of 2 Samuel claim Elhanan killed Goliath, not his brother or anyone else. The addition was made during the English translation to avoid controversy, not after an investigation as to who really killed Goliath.

As to what was written in the chronicles, well I will first of all like to say that it is most likely that the writer of the Chronicles copied a great deal from the scriptures of Samuel. Therefore it is believed that he constructed the name "Lahmi" from beit-ha' lahmi, the Hebrew word for Bethlehem.

Therefore instead of "Elhanan the son of Jaare the Bethlehemite killed Goliath" as it originally was in 2 samuel, he smartly changed it to "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath".

Besides, Lahmi is a Hebrew name. Goliath was from the philistines, therefore his brother must have been from there too. Why should his brother, from the philistines, bear a Hebrew name?

And so I think it is more likely that the writer of the chronicles, trying to avoid controversy and uphold the status of David, and at the same time trying to have a clear conscience, somehow convinced himselfs that there was a mistake somewhere and concluded that it was Lahmi, name gotten from the nearest word around, and who was the non-existent brother of Goliath, that was killed.

omartins: As Goliath turn to Shekau of Boko boys? Today kill by sss, tomorrow by jtf, next will be cjtf. Mr. Aribisala, Goliath is a name for the giants, it occur more than two times in bible 1st in 1sam17:50, 2nd is 2sam21:16, 3rd is sam21:18, 4th is 2sam21:19, 5th is 2sam21:20.
2sam21:22 says: These four were descendants of the giants of Gath, and they were killed by David and his men.
Dont read half story and just bulge online to confuse others.

ifeness: There is no archeological evidence that the bible characters existed anyways. They are all fictions.

barefootbandit: I am sorry if anyone doubts my sincerity in finding the truth, but the fact that I am questioning some passages in the bible should prove I am earnestly seeking after truth.

The original Hebrew scriptures of 2 Samuel claim Elhanan killed Goliath, not his brother or anyone else. The addition was made during the English translation to avoid controversy, not after an investigation as to who really killed Goliath.

As to what was written in the chronicles, well I will first of all like to say that it is most likely that the writer of the Chronicles copied a great deal from the scriptures of Samuel. Therefore it is believed that he constructed the name "Lahmi" from beit-ha' lahmi, the Hebrew word for Bethlehem.

Therefore instead of "Elhanan the son of Jaare the Bethlehemite killed Goliath" as it originally was in 2 samuel, he smartly changed it to "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath".

Besides, Lahmi is a Hebrew name. Goliath was from the philistines, therefore his brother must have been from there too. Why should his brother, from the philistines, bear a Hebrew name?

And so I think it is more likely that the writer of the chronicles, trying to avoid controversy and uphold the status of David, and at the same time trying to have a clear conscience, somehow convinced himself that there was a mistake somewhere and concluded that it was Lahmi, name gotten from the nearest word around, and who was the non-existent brother of Goliath, that was killed.

Syncan: This is not a new discovery, competent studies had been done already on this. See thus:

According to Gleason Archer's Encyclopedia of Bible Difficulties on page 179, it says,

1.The sign of the direct object, which in Chronicles comes just before "Lahmi," was '-t; the copyist mistook it for b-t or b-y-t ("Beth" ) and thus got Bet hal-Lahmi ("the Bethlehemite" ) out of it.

2. He misread the word for "brother" ('-h) as the sign of the direct object ('-t) right before g-l-y-t ("Goliath" ). Thus he made "Goliath" the object of "killed" (wayyak), instead of the "brother" of Goliath (as the Chronicles passage does).

3. The copyist misplaced the word for "weavers" ('-r-g-ym) so as to put it right after "Elhanan" as his patronymic (ben Y-'-r-y'-r--g-ym, or ben ya 'arey 'ore -gim -- "the son of the forests of weavers" -- a most unlikely name for anyone's father!). In Chronicles the 'ore grim ("weavers" ) comes right after menor ("a beam of " ) -- thus making perfectly good sense.

Therefore, we see that 2 Samuel 21:19 had a copyist error and 1 Chronicles 20:5 is the correct information.

Yesterday I was reading the punch newspaper and I came upon an interview of a man called Dr. Femi Aribisala. In the interview he claimed David did not kill Goliath. Surely this is a very bold statement to make but he surprisingly had bible verses to back him up.

He said and I quote,

"Let me quote the bible to you again. 'In another battle with the philistines at Gob, Elhanan son of Jaare Oregim the Bethlehemite killed Goliath the Gittite' (2 Samuel 21:19). Did you hear that? Goliath was killed by Elhanan, one of David's mighty men. It is not my position. It is stated so in the bible.

"There are contradictory versions of who killed Goliath in the bible. Under Rehoboam, Israel became divided into two kingdoms; one pro-David: the other anti-David. Both gave conflicting historical reports which were later edited into the bible. As a result, the biblical record about David killing Goliath is full of contradictions and inconsistencies.

"I have quoted to you the positions stated in 2 Samuel. However, 1 Samuel says it was David who killed Goliath. Having investigated both versions in the bible, it is clear to me that the version about David killing Goliath is pure fiction. The evidence is overwhelming that it was actually Elhanan who killed Goliath. The problem is that Christians don't bother to investigate these things. They simply state whatever their pastors tell them. Most pastors don't even bother to study the scriptures. When you tell Christians the truth they don't know, they shout heresy out of sheer ignorance"

What do you think about his claims?

Syncan:
Dear one, 1chronicles 20:5 tells the correct story on that event albeit "And there was war again with the Philistines; and Elhanan the son of Jair slew Lahmi the brother of Goliath the Gittite, whose spear staff was like a weaver's beam".

Its been shown by some biblical scholars that there must have been a copyist error in 2Sam 21:19.

I would love to believe this, but unfortunately upon checking I have come across more problems. 2 Samuel talks about four deaths, 1 chronicles talks about only three. Not only does this make Samuel appear more detailed and original but remember Dr. Femi said there were two sides, the pro-David and anti-David factions. Have you wondered why the writers of chronicles exempted the fourth death? Let me read the fourth death to you:

"There was another war between the Philistines and Israel,
Broand David and his men went and fought the Philistines. During one of the battles, David grew tired. A giant named Ishbibenob, who was carrying a bronze spear that weighed about three and a half kilogrammes and who was wearing a new sword, thought he could kill David. But Abishai son of Zeruiah came to David's help, attacked the giant and killed him. Then David's men made him promise that he would never again go out with them to battle." 2 Samuel 15-17

The fourth death exposes David's weakness. It describes him as an ordinary man who gets tired and needs help, a very different image from the mighty man we all assumed. It is possible that the pro-David writers saw this and decided to exempt that passage, or else why else could they have.

And so if they could do this then why could they not also distort that of Elhanan killing Goliath?

I am sorry if anyone doubts my sincerity in finding the truth, but the fact that I am questioning some passages in the bible should prove I am earnestly seeking after truth.

The original Hebrew scriptures of 2 Samuel claim Elhanan killed Goliath, not his brother or anyone else. The addition was made during the English translation to avoid controversy, not after an investigation as to who really killed Goliath.

As to what was written in the chronicles, well I will first of all like to say that it is most likely that the writer of the Chronicles copied a great deal from the scriptures of Samuel. Therefore it is believed that he constructed the name "Lahmi" from beit-ha' lahmi, the Hebrew word for Bethlehem.

Therefore instead of "Elhanan the son of Jaare the Bethlehemite killed Goliath" as it originally was in 2 samuel, he smartly changed it to "Elhanan the son of Jair killed Lahmi the brother of Goliath".

Besides, Lahmi is a Hebrew name. Goliath was from the philistines, therefore his brother must have been from there too. Why should his brother, from the philistines, bear a Hebrew name?

And so I think it is more likely that the writer of the chronicles, trying to avoid controversy and uphold the status of David, and at the same time trying to have a clear conscience, somehow convinced himself that there was a mistake somewhere and concluded that it was Lahmi, name gotten from the nearest word around, and who was the non-existent brother of Goliath, that was killed.

There is no archeological evidence that the bible characters existed anyways. They are all fictions.

dj5naira:
'' Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, '' - Col 2:18

majorgr:
This is very obvious from English language point of view. It said the brother of Goliath! Not goliath him self. I don't knw the version u were using but pls note that they are other false translators whose business is to get ur money always go for an authorized version of Bible whose source u can trust. Also, just cuz u read a single scripture doesn't establish any truth. At the witness of two or three or more the issue is establish. U only brought one uninteligent interpretation of scripture which certainly u didn't read well cuz u cant differentiate brother from the actual person. I like someone's analysis up dis post he/she brought abt two scripture clarifying ur ignorant post! I quote: "study to show urself aprove unto God a workman who nid not be afraid, RIGHTLY DIVIDING THE WORD OF THRUTH". Again, "study to be quiet"! Don't be in a hurry to air ur views without first researching diligently abt it. No offence!