francleanflexy:
an indictment is an accusation
it may be true or false.

N to answer ur question am not

Then, why would you state that that was an indictment to the black race?

Of course, in this same restaurant, there will be loyal, faithful customers that are black who would always take water and not soda.

itstpia1:

and what you are doing now is not calling a lynch mob?


if someone asks you for water then hand him the damn water or tell him you have none since the machine is broken.

i would like to see you try this crap with hispanics.

who is making excuses for others to steal? When you go into a place for business, you're supposed to do a swop analysis and research the area to find out possible scenarios to envisage there.

i dont know of anywhere in the world where you place a cup in someone's hands, refuse to fix your water machine, then accuse the person of stealing your soda when you deliberately set him or her up to do exactly that.

So black people have the right steal whenever given the opportunity?

pleep: Are all white people slave traders? No. That doesn't change the fact that several of them perpetuated evil acts that stained their history and the name of thier people forever.

the same thing is true in this situation. The actions of other black people directly affect the way you (an innocent black man) will be perceived. Its justified.

No it is not.
That, to me, is racism. You do not colour the whole with the stain of a part or unit.

Abbott:

No it is not.
That, to me, is racism. You do not colour the whole with the stain of a part or unit.

disregard that post if you dont mind. I misstated my argument

I want to keep this thread based solely on this specific example

Rawani:

The bottom line, is that everyone takes advantage of opportunities when presented...whether white, black or purple. The OP's case, in which blacks were the only 'culprits', might be an isolated, or unique case. It is therefore unfair to promote a stereotype just because trends in a locality support the prejudice.

If the trends in the locality support the prejudice, is that prejudice still not justified there? If so why?

The OP made a valid argument. The argument is not specific to the black race. It is just natural to counteract against a breach of trust, especially when the culprits can be demographically segmented. This is exactly what is happening against NIGERIANS around the world. Due to the nefarious activities of some unscrupulous citizens amongst us, 170 million of us are viewed as thieves, scammers, rash and loud people. If you ask me if the treatment is justified, I'll say, "Hell Yeah", because I know that Nigerians will do the same if the situation was reversed.
For example, you can imagine the type of xenophobic reaction generated against Liberians due to the action taken by Patrick Sawyer. That is the same explanation for why, for example, Malaysians treat every Nigerian as a scammer.
Back to OPs case, if the restaurant created such a policy to stem the breach of trust being perpetrated by their black customers, it is not RACISM, it is a COUNTERACTIVE measure. Anyone that feels that it is not justified is just not being honest.

Justcash: The OP made a valid argument. The argument is not specific to the black race. It is just natural to counteract against a breach of trust, especially when the culprits can be demographically segmented. This is exactly what is happening against NIGERIANS around the world. Due to the nefarious activities of some unscrupulous citizens amongst us, 170 million of us are viewed as thieves, scammers, rash and loud people. If you ask me if the treatment is justified, I'll say, "Hell Yeah", because I know that Nigerians will do the same if the situation was reversed.
For example, you can imagine the type of xenophobic reaction generated against Liberians due to the action taken by Patrick Sawyer. That is the same explanation for why, for example, Malaysians treat every Nigerian as a scammer.
Back to OPs case, if the restaurant created such a policy to stem the breach of trust being perpetrated by their black customers, it is not RACISM, it is a COUNTERACTIVE measure. Anyone that feels that it is not justified is just not being honest.

great post

pleep: The actions of other black people directly affect the way you (an innocent black man) will be perceived. Its justified.

in that case, should we call you boko haram and a terrorist?

Justcash:
Back to OPs case, if the restaurant created such a policy to stem the breach of trust being perpetrated by their black customers, it is not RACISM, it is a COUNTERACTIVE measure.

1. the restaurant, for reasons best known to them, refused to fix their water machine.

2. For reasons also best known to them, they refused to serve the customers water but instead gave them cups and told them to run over to the soda machine, and take water. Its a commonly known fact the water lever on the soda machines, is situated BEHIND a soda spigot of any flavour and also very tricky to locate.

3. Pleep comes to nl to complain about black customers stealing soda while white people follow orders and never take soda, only water.

4. Who exactly is observing all the black people stealing the soda? An employee? Fellow blacks? Security? Who?

5. What are the measures employed by the restaurant to curtail the loss of their soda? Since they are refusing to fix their water machine due to costs, and do not want to place their soda machine behind the counter where only paid staff will access it, and also did not train their staff to learn how to get water from other sources besides the soda machines.

6. In the event a big hullabaloo is raised with the usual black vs white brouhaha, somebody gets locked up or killed (probably on the basis of flimsy accusations), like i asked, do you people pushing this, think you will go scot free in the sight of God. Think it over.

personally, what i would do in your situation pleep, is either put up a sign reinforcing the instruction to not take soda and emphasize the fact that that is considered stealing and will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law, or simply hand people the water myself from the tap. How hard is it exactly to fill a cup with ice and add water. You'd rather be hanging around jisting i guess.


However, what you obviously want to do is have another shootout involving a black man and the institution.

In that case, go ahead.

perhaps the jails are having too much space and need to be filled up.

tit:

Why dont you guys give out cups already filled with water?

because then that wont foster a race war.

Abbott:



Of course, in this same restaurant, there will be loyal, faithful customers that are black who would always take water and not soda.

those are probably the ones who will be taking the rap for the racist drivel posted by the op.

itstpia1:

1. the restaurant, for reasons best known to them, refused to fix their water machine.

2. For reasons also best known to them, they refused to serve the customers water but instead gave them cups and told them to run over to the soda machine, and take water. Its a commonly known fact the water lever on the soda machines, is situated BEHIND a soda spigot of any flavour and also very tricky to locate.

3. Pleep comes to nl to complain about black customers stealing soda while white people follow orders and never take soda, only water.

4. Who exactly is observing all the black people stealing the soda? An employee? Fellow blacks? Security? Who?

5. What are the measures employed by the restaurant to curtail the loss of their soda? Since they are refusing to fix their water machine due to costs, and do not want to place their soda machine behind the counter where only paid staff will access it, and also did not train their staff to learn how to get water from other sources besides the soda machines.

6. In the event a big hullabaloo is raised with the usual black vs white brouhaha, somebody gets locked up or killed (probably on the basis of flimsy accusations), like i asked, do you people pushing this, think you will go scot free in the sight of God. Think it over.

In a case like this, it is important for you to be objective. I understand your passionate antagonism to the use of BLACK AND WHITE in the post. The truth is that it is only the OP that can confirm the veracity of their investigation. However, scenarios like the one in the post IS NOT ONLY APPLICABLE TO BLACKS. That does not mean that there are cases where MAJORITY the customers that are responsible for the breach of trust are BLACKS. In a case where the majority of offenders are blacks, a pedigree is built and reactions will be directed towards blacks. Like I said, this would be the same case if black shop owners also notice that majority of their white customers steal from them.
With regards to the nature of counteractive action taken, that is the sole responsibility and decision of the shop owners. They don't owe you any explanation. It is left for the customers to stay or leave if they are not satisfied.

pleep: For the several months i worked at this restaurant i observed the fact that 9/10 customers who stole drinks (would ask for a water cup and then fill it with soda) were black.

for several months your store still could not afford to replace the water machine?

Today the restaurant decided to stop giving out free water-cups as a general policy, but in practice only to blacks. This is racism, but is it also the logical and rational response to black behavior? If so, then racism is justified and how can anyone then claim that racism is wrong?

your restaurant decided to stop giving out free water cups to blacks and so?

in fact, i simply find this thread very annoying.


let me just let you be.

Some people(blacks) surprise me sometimes. Op made a very good point here but as is always d case,some pple have turned it to something of an insult. A white person enters a restaurant,asks for water,he's given a water cup, he goes and fills d cup wit water even though there's soda there which u have to pay for if u take it, he leaves. A black person enters d same restaurant and asks for a water cup which he gets, goes to fill up wit water but on seeing d soda decides to fill his cup wit soda instead of d free water, he takes d soda but instead of paying for it he decides to play a fast one on d restaurant owners. Black people r destroyers by nature. U only have to live in d midst of blacks and whites to c d difference. The white man builds,d black man destroys.

itstpia1: in fact, i simply find this thread very annoying.


let me just let you be.

does the truth annoy u ?

Op you raise a very vital point and am really surprised by peoples reaction.
There is a problem with the black race and we must accept that, part of it is what is been displayed by some people on this thread. we are just opportunist, who are driven by emotions and refuse to think logically, for instance you voted a man because he had no shoes, you can't vote a man because of his religious affiliation, this shows how poor we are in our thoughts. Would you open your house for someone that you know is coming to steal from you, obviously you won't. I can see some people bringing God into this, but i need you to take note of this God gave you brain, He won't use it for you, God laid the foundation for the construction of bridges, houses and good roads, he won,t do the building for you.

Rawani: That is not a rational response. Eliminating the $2 cups and fixing the original water fountain is the rational response.

You have deviated from the OP's point. Fine, $ 2 cups may not be the rational response, but because this is not a discussion about business sense, it is irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned.

The more worrisome point, which you have avoided, is that 90% of soda thieves in that store are black. Why must blacks constantly give people reasons to mistrust / despise them?

itstpia1: And where is a disposable cup retailing for $2.00?

That's your idea of cost effectiveness?

Opuro buruku.

You come across as being a little obtuse. Are you genuinely so, or are you deliberately deviating from the OP's point ?

What have you to say about the fact that 90% of the people who steal are black?

did it occur to you to ask the op if he's in a majorly black neighbourhood, instead of asking me a very d.aft question?

stop responding to my posts plz.

jesuslovesme123:

You have deviated from the OP's point. Fine, $ 2 cups may not be the rational response, but because this is not a discussion about business sense, it is irrelevant as far as this thread is concerned.

The more worrisome point, which you have avoided, is that 90% of soda thieves in that store are black. Why must blacks constantly give people reasons to mistrust / despise them?

you engage in constant generalization, typical of low iq people.

why dont you give the thread a rest unless you are expressly here to help the op do his job of denigrating blacks?


and see your prior thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1799671/black-american-teen-mom-college

are you ok at all?

itstpia1:

you engage in constant generalization, typical of low iq people.

why dont you give the thread a rest unless you are expressly here to help the op do his job of denigrating blacks?


and see your prior thread:

https://www.nairaland.com/1799671/black-american-teen-mom-college

are you ok at all?

And she goes off at a tangent again...

Answer the question, woman!

What have you to say about the fact that 90% of those who steal are black?

jesuslovesme123:


What have you to say about the fact that 90% of those who steal are black?

i think you are mad.


are you black? are you the op?

are you a thief?

would that explain where you get your statistics from?

itstpia1:


i think you are mad.


are you black? are you the op?

are you a thief?

would that explain where you get your statistics from?

Mind your language, and stick to the point.

During college, I worked in a store where 100% of the thieves were black.

What have you to say about these statistics?

pleep: For the last couple of months i have been working part-time at a fast food restaurant near campus. The staff is majority white, with me being one of the few black employees and the patronage is 20/80% with whites being the majority of customers.

In the united states it is customary to offer free water to customers, and so when our water fountain broke we simply began giving out regular 2$ drink cups free to people who requested water. These cups came with the instruction to fill it up with water from our soda fountain. The white patrons at the store adapted to this change without issue, filling their cups with water as instructed. However, this was not the case with our black customers. For the several months i worked at this restaurant i observed the fact that 9/10 customers who stole drinks (would ask for a water cup and then fill it with soda) were black. In fact almost every black person who asked for a water cup proceeded to fill it with soda and run out of the store.

Today the restaurant decided to stop giving out free water-cups as a general policy, but in practice only to blacks. This is racism, but is it also the logical and rational response to black behavior? If so, then racism is justified and how can anyone then claim that racism is wrong?

black people are the same everywhere - it must be something in the genes. they are so unruly, they don't easily adapt & they are more prone to petty crimes.

what happened in your restaurant is the same everywhere. black people are sometimes the cause of the treatment they get - your company's policy is the best method to stop the economic loss.

pleep:
For the last couple of months i have been working part-time at a fast food restaurant near campus. The staff is majority white, with me being one of the few black employees and the patronage is 20/80% with whites being the majority of customers.

In the united states it is customary to offer free water to customers, and so when our water fountain broke we simply began giving out regular 2$ drink cups free to people who requested water. These cups came with the instruction to fill it up with water from our soda fountain. The white patrons at the store adapted to this change without issue, filling their cups with water as instructed. However, this was not the case with our black customers. For the several months i worked at this restaurant i observed the fact that 9/10 customers who stole drinks (would ask for a water cup and then fill it with soda) were black. In fact almost every black person who asked for a water cup proceeded to fill it with soda and run out of the store.

Today the restaurant decided to stop giving out free water-cups as a general policy, but in practice only to blacks. This is racism, but is it also the logical and rational response to black behavior? If so, then racism is justified and how can anyone then claim that racism is wrong?

Interesting.

About a year ago I had this same conversation with a few friends. We all grew up together in rough environments.

They all have children now and proudly admit to doing this. I tried using a more empathetic approach, "what if this was your business and people did this to you?" their response was mired in justification, "its only soda, thats why they put the dispensers out here, they [the business] don't care"

Poverty is indeed a mindset.

pleep:
Nope i am 100% black, of Nigerian decent.

I have no love for white people I see them as my enemy, but despite this fact i do allow bias to cloud my judgement. I form my opinions through logic and reason, not emotion. The fact of the matter is racism is quickly becoming justified because of the actions of black people.

Wen bias clouds judgement, postulations become detorted. U dnt appeal to feelings if u must be logical. I am a student of philosophy. Who r u

francleanflexy:
i actually viewed this thread in the morning but decided not to comment yet cos i was busy then.
Coming back to the thread now i must say that i am shocked by people's reaction.
The ppl commenting on this thread seem to view theft as a reflex action, something that is done unconsiously just like breathing.
This issue that the op raised is an indictment to the whole black race and the comments that i see here tend to make matter worse.
Maybe their view is that theft is justifiable if one party provides a chance for his possession or goods to be stolen. For example if a wallet is left carelessly then is deserves to be stolen.
smh

It is not an indictment to the whole black race, it is a social problem in the vicinity of the restaurant.

Rawani:
When Nandos charges me £30 for £5 worth of chicken and spicy rice, because of the ambience and fancy sauces...I never fail to take the liberty of filling my cup with free soda multiple times, as I am paying premium price I expect premium perks . Everyone regardless of nationality does the same, even though there's a price for soda on the menu. The irony is you hardly find the freely dispensing soda machines in budget eateries in my part of the world, only proper restaurants.

The bottom line, is that everyone takes advantage of opportunities when presented...whether white, black or purple. The OP's case, in which blacks were the only 'culprits', might be an isolated, or unique case. It is therefore unfair to promote a stereotype just because trends in a locality support the prejudice.

The OP case may also be of that where blacks are the perceived culprits. There may well be an equal number or reasonable number of white patrons who take soda but are not noticed as their invite less scrutiny.

You may also find that the black people the OP is signifying are minors who do not otherwise use the restaurant but have gained knowledge of a opportunity to abuse.

coogar:


black people are the same everywhere - it must be something in the genes. they are so unruly, they don't easily adapt & they are more prone to petty crimes.

what happened in your restaurant is the same everywhere. black people are sometimes the cause of the treatment they get - your company's policy is the best method to stop the economic loss.

No!
The best way to stop the economic loss is to close down the restaurant and fix the water supply.