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Ubenedictus: your list is totally inaccurate.

But if i were playing your silly games i would add.


Trinity
Bible

both 4th century.

OLAADEGBU: The onus is on you to prove that traditions posted above is inaccurate and that your church introduced the doctrine of the Godhead.

Ubenedictus: sorry dear, you are the one makin unsubstatiated claims, the onus is on you to prove your unsubstantiated claim beyond reasonable doubt.


As for proof on the doctrine of the Godhead, do well to read up on the council of nicea and constantinople.

OLAADEGBU: It is rather the other way round. Check the OP for details:

Ubenedictus: your op has no "details" and your cartoons aren't proof.

Question: "What is the Nicene Creed?"

Answer: Other than the Apostles’ Creed, the Nicene Creed is likely the most universally accepted and recognized statements of the Christian faith. The Nicene Creed was first adopted in A.D. 325 at the Council of Nicea. The Roman Emperor Constantine had convened the Council of Nicea in an attempt to unify the Christian church with one doctrine, especially on the issues of the Trinity and the deity and humanity of Jesus Christ. The Nicene Creed reads as follows:

"We believe in one God the Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

“And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only-begotten Son of God, begotten of the Father before all worlds, God of God, Light of Light, Very God of Very God, begotten, not made, being of one substance with the Father by whom all things were made; who for us men, and for our salvation, came down from heaven, and was incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary, and was made man, and was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate. He suffered and was buried, and the third day he rose again according to the Scriptures, and ascended into heaven, and sitteth on the right hand of the Father. And he shall come again with glory to judge both the quick and the dead, whose kingdom shall have no end.

“And we believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of Life, who proceedeth from the Father, who with the Father and the Son together is worshipped and glorified, who spoke by the prophets. And we believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church. We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins. And we look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come. Amen."

There have been some revisions to the Nicene Creed, including one with the "Filioque Clause." The version above accurately represents the original.

Overall, the Nicene Creed is a good summary of Christian doctrine. There are two primary issues, however. The first regards the phrase "catholic and apostolic church"—this does not refer to the Roman Catholic Church as we know it today. The word "catholic" means “universal.” (The true "catholic" church is all those who have placed their faith in Jesus Christ for salvation. Please see our article on the universal church.) Also, "apostolic" means "built on the teaching of the apostles" and is not a statement of support for apostolic succession. Second, "baptism for the remission of sins" is a much misunderstood concept. See Is baptism necessary for salvation?

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/Nicene-creed.html#ixzz3EwInMD7f

OLAADEGBU: You asked for the Nicene Creed, here it is:

Ubenedictus: i didn't ask you for the nicean creed, i asked you to research on the council of nicea and council of constantinople.

That was where the doctrine of the trinity was proclaimed, that was where u got that creed above.

Ubenedictus: And nobody asked you to define the word "apostolic" and "catholic", those word were defined by those who wrote the creed. You lying explanation holds no water.

Answer: The Council of Nicea took place in AD 325 by order of the Roman Emperor Caesar Flavius Constantine. Nicea was located in Asia Minor, east of Constantinople. At the Council of Nicea, Emperor Constantine presided over a group of church bishops and other leaders with the purpose of defining the nature of God for all of Christianity and eliminating confusion, controversy, and contention within the church. The Council of Nicea overwhelmingly affirmed the deity and eternality of Jesus Christ and defined the relationship between the Father and the Son as “of one substance.” It also affirmed the Trinity—the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit were listed as three co-equal and co-eternal Persons.

Constantine, who claimed conversion to Christianity, called for a meeting of bishops to be held in Nicea to resolve some escalating controversies among the church leadership. The issues being debated included the nature of Jesus Christ, the proper date to celebrate Easter, and other matters. The failing Roman Empire, now under Constantine’s rule, could not withstand the division caused by years of hard-fought, “out of hand” arguing over doctrinal differences. The emperor saw the quarrels within the church not only as a threat to Christianity but as a threat to society as well. Therefore, at the Council of Nicea, Constantine encouraged the church leaders to settle their internal disagreements and become Christlike agents who could bring new life to a troubled empire. Constantine felt “called” to use his authority to help bring about unity, peace, and love within the church.

The main theological issue had always been about Christ. Since the end of the apostolic age, Christians had begun debating these questions: Who is the Christ? Is He more divine than human or more human than divine? Was Jesus created or begotten? Being the Son of God, is He co-equal and co-eternal with the Father, or is He lower in status than the Father? Is the Father the one true God, or are the Father, Son, and Spirit the one true God?

A priest named Arius presented his argument that Jesus Christ was not an eternal being, that He was created at a certain point in time by the Father. Bishops such as Alexander and the deacon Athanasius argued the opposite position: that Jesus Christ is eternal, just like the Father is. It was an argument pitting trinitarianism against monarchianism.

Constantine prodded the 300 bishops in the council make a decision by majority vote defining who Jesus Christ is. The statement of doctrine they produced was one that all of Christianity would follow and obey, called the “Nicene Creed.” This creed was upheld by the church and enforced by the Emperor. The bishops at Nicea voted to make the full deity of Christ the accepted position of the church. The Council of Nicea upheld the doctrine of Christ’s true divinity, rejecting Arius’s heresy. The council did not invent this doctrine. Rather, it only recognized what the Bible already taught.

The New Testament teaches that Jesus the Messiah should be worshipped, which is to say He is co-equal with God. The New Testament forbids the worship of angels (Colossians 2:18; Revelation 22:8, 9) but commands worship of Jesus. The apostle Paul tells us that “in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form” (Colossians 2:9; 1:19). Paul declares Jesus as Lord and the One to whom a person must pray for salvation (Romans 10:9-13; cf. Joel 2:32). “Jesus is God overall” (Romans 9:5) and our God and Saviour (Titus 2:13). Faith in Jesus’ deity is basic to Paul’s theology.

John’s Gospel declares Jesus to be the divine, eternal Logos, the agent of creation and source of life and light (John 1:1-5,9); the "the Way, the Truth, and the Life" (John 14:6); our advocate with the Father (1 John 2:1-2); the Sovereign (Revelation 1:5); and the Son of God from the beginning to the end (Revelation 22:13). The author of Hebrews reveals the deity of Jesus through His perfection as the most high priest (Hebrews 1; Hebrews 7:1-3). The divine-human Saviour is the Christian’s object of faith, hope, and love.

The Council of Nicea did not invent the doctrine of the deity of Christ. Rather, the Council of Nicea affirmed the apostles' teaching of who Christ is—the one true God and the Second Person of the Trinity, with the Father and the Holy Spirit.

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/council-of-Nicea.html#ixzz3FDBSMQcD

chukwudi44:
Constantine did not preside over proceedings at the council of nicea.He only convoked the council but did not participate in it's proceedings

OLAADEGBU:
The Nicene Creed is what will give you what the apostles believed on the issue of the Trinity. It made it clear on what Christians believed on trinity not that it was formulated there.

Your emotional outburst and false accusations does debunk the article either.

Ubenedictus:
the nicean creed was formulated in the council of nicea and the council of conctantinople, that is where the divinity of Christ and the holy spirit was defined. It will interest you to know that the bible hasn't even been compiled at that time.



nor does your article have proof.

OLAADEGBU:
The divinity of Christ and the Holy Spirit written and concluded by the prophets and apostles in the 66 books which was before your so called post nicene fathers collated and compiled them.

OLAADEGBU:
It's alright to make assertions but where are your facts?

chukwudi44:
HERE THE ARE YOU IGNORANT Arrow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea

EUSEBIIUS OF CESEAREA WAS THE FIRST WRITER OF CHURCH HISTORY AND WAS PHYSICALLY PRESENT AT THE COUNCIL.HE WROTE DOWN ACCOUNTS OF THE EVENTS THAT TRANSPIRED AT THE COUNCIL.THIS VERY MUCH RELIABLE UNLIKE YUIR COPY AND PASTE NONSESE FROM JACK CHICK'S WEBSITE

OLAADEGBU:
How did the Roman Catholic Church originate, and when? What is their history?

http://www.gotquestions.org/origin-Catholic-church.html

The Overwhelming Conclusion!

The only conclusion we can come to (unless we are totally blind), based on OVERWHELMING evidence, is that Peter not only came to Rome just before his death there in February of 68 A.D., but also immediately after his release from prison under Herod in 43 A.D. He founded the Church of God in the Imperial City and, in the almost 25 years between his two visits, preached the gospel of Christ throughout Europe, Britain and Asia.

With the loving assistance of his wife and children, he trod the highways and byways of the Roman Empire bringing the message of the Kingdom of God to the descendants of Israel. On his last visit to Rome in the latter part of 66 A.D., he preached the Good News to the people of Rome before being imprisoned in the Mamertine for some nine months. Upon Nero's return to Rome he was put to death -- along with his wife and daughter Petronilla.

In 42 A.D. (just before Peter's first visit) Simon Magus arrived in Rome and, during a 25 year "episcopate," built up a RIVAL RELIGION that amalgamated some aspects of Christianity WITH ELEMENTS OF THE PAGAN BABYLONIAN MYSTERY RELIGION. THIS religion of Simon's eventually became known as the UNIVERSAL OR CATHOLIC CHURCH!

The Catholic Encyclopedia itself admits that Simon Magus "afterwards went to Rome, worked miracles there by THE POWER OF DEMONS, and received Divine honors both in Rome and in his own country. Though much extravagant legend afterwards gathered around the name of this Simon...it seems nevertheless probable that there must be some foundation in fact for the account given by Justin and accepted by Eusebius. The historical Simon Magus no doubt founded some sort of religion AS A COUNTERFEIT OF CHRISTIANITY in which he was to play a part ANALOGOUS TO THAT OF CHRIST" (Vol. 7, p. 699 -- article: "Impostors".)

YES, Peter the apostle WAS in Rome, but NO, he did NOT become the first pope -- Simon Magus did!

italo:
^^^Running from pillar to post.

From Constantine, it is now Simon Magus.

Make up your mind, olaadegbu.

Rich4god:
All I see is shear jealousy and insecurity...

fuckerholic:
About what ? Just shut up and learn joor

Papist:
Learn what exactly? Quotes taken from that charlatan jack chick's website?

fuckerholic:
Lol hmm

davidedmorn:
I had gone through the posts. I read about Roman Catholic Church originate in one of the articles. The Roman Catholic Church claims to have started in Matthew 16:18 when Christ supposedly appointed Peter as the first Pope.



bible scriptures message

Papist:
I thought you said he should shut up and learn....and the teacher is jack chick through his messenger olaadegbu.What a shocker

fuckerholic:
Will you shut up ther you fowl spirit.

davidedmorn:
The Roman Catholic Church claims to have started in Matthew 16:18 when Christ supposedly appointed Peter as the first Pope. The Catholic church teaches that Peter was the first Pope and the earthly head of the church, but the Bible never says this once.





Ten Commandments messages

Papist:
Christ did not supposedly make St Peter pope/universal shepherd.He actually did it in Matthew 16:18 and when he said Simon bar Jonah feed my sheep.If u don't agree show us the scripture. God bless

Papist:
I thought you said he should shut up and learn....and the teacher is jack chick through his messenger olaadegbu.What a shocker