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Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 11:44am On Oct 21, 2014 |
dawhizkid1: You no go ever lack wisdom, Eledumare bless you. These niggas are quick to lift stats when an argument is on, forgetting that stats don't tell you the whole truth. Statistics only places you on the peripheral, it doesn't provide you with the big picture - the overall perspective on an issue. It doesn't. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by coogar: 11:50am On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: so it's mata's fault he was played in a 2-man midfield of a 4-1-4-1 formation? when mata plays well & scores, we don't hear your voice. when he's played out of position & plays badly, you start shouting. selling mata was a big jose mistake - you won nothing after you sold him. mata never had a trophyless season at chelsea before jose's arrival. so what are you really happy about? why did jose quickly go after cesc when he sold mata? why didn't he rely on oscar to do mata's job? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 12:29pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
AirborneLacer: Nigga, I'm sure of what I'm saying. You can go and recap from this page down if you want. Aint in the bizness of quoting old shyt. https://www.nairaland.com/920248/official-chelsea-fan-thread-pride/118#12413859 I'm as sure of what I'm saying as you were sure that Lampard should be dropped for Rami and as sure as you were that Oscar is the man for the AM position over Lampard. And as sure as you were that Oscar is better than Kroos, Gotze and Muller. Now story done change to "long term replacement". Don't get me wrong, ain't got problem with the boy Oscar, Chelsea have more pertinent issues than replacing him, but he ain't nowehere near World Class level at no10 position. One clown even put tackling stats for Oscar in the World Cup as a positive. . . . . I would go into why tackling stats is a foolish data set that no one uses (eg Makelele never made tackles). . . . but let's just summarise by saying those 11 tackles he made in the World Cup were out of desperation as Kroos and Sneijder disgraced and humiliated him. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 1:51pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: Thanks for the link. Ladies and gentlemen, I'd be taking the next few minutes to do a compilation of our views on this issue from 2012. Read and judge |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:05pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
ElGuapo: Ibime: nateevs: nateevs: 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:08pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
ElGuapo: nateevs: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:12pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: Your main two formations there show Mikel/Lamps and Mikel/Oscar. lalaboi: nateevs: 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:16pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
coogar: BlueDiva: nateevs: Yet I still give am credit... ElGuapo: |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:31pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Now how I take compare Lampard with Ramires and Mikel? With Lampard in the pivot, we were leaking in goals like tomorrow no dey and it was right before RDM as the gaffer to do something - at least to save his job. We were all of the opinion that Ramires get shunted into the pivot, considering the energy and pace which he possessed, and which would be needed in closing down opponents. Not too long, RDM responded, it became a Ramires-Mikel pivot and things got a tad better. Fast forward to 2014, Ibime is standing before the world to accuse me of comparing Lampard with Ramires and Mikel, then later rephrased, that I suggested he gets dropped for Mikel and Ramires, without informing the house what, why and how such view came up. Ibime, Oscar Pistorious has been served a 5-year jail term. Going by the level of your lies these days, you should be doing 25 years in Kirikiri prison 3 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:32pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
AirborneLacer: Everyone knows the story. . . . you claimed we did not need a new DM and our team was balanced, we just need to remove Lampard and play Mikel and Ramires. . . . . then came back 2 years later to apologise and hail Matic as the saviour. . . ElGuapo: You claimed Oscar was World Class, put him ahead of Lampard, now backtracking on your statements. You went from this: ElGuapo: to this: AirborneLacer: It took you two years to realise that Oscar was not "someone who sit in the middle of park and pull strings". . . . Every 3 months, when Oscar has a good game, you will come and shout. You only back your assertions when he's flavour of the month. I'm a nigga who knows ma own mind. I was against Ramires when he was flavour of the month, against Mata when it was sacrilege to speak against him. Backed Lampard when neophytes were calling for his head. Now Oscar is your flavour of the last 2 weeks, my mind hasn't changed nigga. . . . .he lacks vision. When Oscar disappears, you will go quiet again. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 2:42pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
AirborneLacer: You think you can twist history. What got better? Ninjas who lost woefully week in week out and got themselves knocked out the UCL. Mikel and Rami failed woefully, Lampard came back in December and displaced Mikel to the bench. Rami was sent back to the right wing . . . Oscar was dropped to the bench. . . . and Lampard singlehandedly lifted the team and scored the goals that allowed us to qualify for UCL. I know you ain't forget nigga. I will not remind you of Everton and Villa away for example. The next season, Mikel still rode bench all through whilst Lampard was still holding sway. Finally, the DM I had been calling for (Matic) arrived and you came and acknowledged it. Joker! After round-about denials, you have now just confirmed what I said about placing Mikel and Ramires above Lampard: AirborneLacer: You called for Rami and Mikel to displace Lampard in the pivot and Oscar to displace Lampard in the AM. Lampard was better than all 3 of them in any of the three positions End of Story. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 2:44pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: I acknowledge that fact, I once claimed Oscar was a CM. I'm not gonna lie just like you do. That I find him to be an AM today goes to show how well I've been following the dude, following the game and getting better as a pundit. Tell me about you, how good have you gotten with your lies? Still, where did I claim that the 'classy' Oscar was better than Lampard? And yes, Oscar is still class - my vision of 2012 is still trending |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 2:48pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
time dey yafun yafun for some nicccurs sha *grabs popcorn* |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by cuteypooch(m): 3:36pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Whether you believe it or not, Oscar is still one of Brazil's most indispensible player. He is amongst players whose names are first on the team list. Oscar's inconsistency has been down to nothing but fatigue. At just 22, he was being overused, playing many games under di Matteo and Benitez. Y'all forget, he is still very young and has enough time to improve. His ability and skill is key to mourinho's pressing game. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 3:44pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
In the process of continuous improvement that is taking place at Chelsea, thís was the order of priority for me. Every step I argued for has been implemented, only depth is needed in midfield - which will send Oscar to the bench. Replace Torres - we all agreed - Done! Replace Mikel-Ramires pivot - in those days, I was outnumbered when calling for thís until likes of Bimfo, CFC Fan, Mithel and co joined - Done! Get rid of Mata - I was on my own - Done! Get rid of joker Luiz - after many arguments - Done! Final in order of priority is to revert away from the idea of a pivot and a no10. . . . and go back to a 4-3-3 - that means 3 genuine central midfielders - allow Fabregas the AM position with Matic and one other behind him. This is the final piece of the Chelsea jigsaw I've always wanted to see. That's where Oscar (& Mata before him) comes in. As sure as all the above I argued for came true, it will surely happen unless Oscar learns to play as a genuine central midfielder - because that's the way JM sets up his teams. It could be Sami Khedira next summer or another no8, but without doubt, Oscars role is the next role earmarked for improvement. 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by nateevs(m): 3:55pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Chei. See arguments. No be today we dey play? |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dawhizkid1(m): 4:43pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: Bros Ibime, what is your argument really? I'd like to know. Oscar doesn't dominate possession? In a 4-2-3-1 system, that's the job of the double Pivot(6/ players. He had an average of 36 passes per game, so what? You want to blame him for José's negative, albeit pragmatic approach? Sometimes last season the whole team didn't even make up to 300 passes. Lampard is better than Oscar? That's not even an argument, Lampard is miles better. Can Oscar get to Lampard level? Yes, he is showing improvements already, he can get there. Is Oscar a top Class 10? Yes he is, in a 4-2-3-1 system. He is a top class modern day 10. In a 4-3-3, not so much. It's pretty obvious, Jose has preferred to use Ramires as the Shuttler and Cesc as the 10 when we play 4-3-3. And yes, I don't really like using stats to argue, but Oscar has 3 Motm performances already this season and as much assists as he had last season already, if that's not improvement, I don't know what it is. By the way, Match Day... I hope to see Nathan Ake play, big fan of the kid. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 4:46pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Final thing I just saw before I move on. . . . AirborneLacer: El Guapo: Oscar must play (in Lampard's position) while you tell us the what, why and how Lampard is inadequate for the pivot (behind Oscar) and should be dropped for Ramires. AirborneLacer: Nigga we understand English. . . . we can paraphrase perfectly. In other words, you rate Oscar above Lampard. You crowned Oscar winner of Lampard's position, then started telling us why Ramires and Mikel should displace Lampard in the pivot. If you had respect for Lampard in the first place, you don't give Oscar the AM position. I never accepted anyone at Chelsea was better than Lampard in AM position. I know my legends. . . Like I said negro, Lampard is a legend. Never again in your life compare him to Oscar, Mikel or Rami in any midfield position. . . you should be apologising for how Lampard outproduced and schooled Oscar even from deeper position that season - just like Fab4 is doing to Oscar now. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dawhizkid1(m): 4:51pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: I'm guessing that you prefer the Classic number 10 type player. Oscar is not a genuine Central Midfielder, he is a 10, a modern day 10. And whether he gets dropped or not depends on the direction of the team. If Jose Continues with this high press 4-2-3-1 system, Oscar is going nowhere. He is almost indispensable. He only gets dropped when Jose wants to play a Counter attacking style, or a 4-3-3, where Willain or Ramires is preferred respectively. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 5:01pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
dawhizkid1: First of all, Oscar never played in the "park the bus" games so forget that excuse. Jose wouldn't let him. Go and check Lampard's stats in 2004-2006 under the same Mourinho and tell me whether he was playing only 36 passes a game. If Oscar's game is not about passing, where are his assists and goals? Na 5 assists and less than 10 goals we go chop every season? Like I said, I never had no problem with Oscar. He's a good player. This is about holding Guapo accountable for airbrushing Lampard out the way for Oscar. Guapo and I been going at it for the last 2 years over this issue. He won't even acknowledge that Lampard schooled Oscar in his old age, after Guapo shunted Lampard aside to make way for Oscar. I don't mind Oscar in the team, except for big games. But make no mistake, there are many better midfielders out there. Niggas should just stop gassing after one good game in months. Hazard is his agemate and doing it weekly. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by cuteypooch(m): 5:03pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
dawhizkid1: Dis is exactly my thought. You seem like a rare fan who have a very good knowledge of the game. God bless you. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by mithel(m): 5:23pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
loooool |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dawhizkid1(m): 5:34pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: I get you point really. But name ten number 10s, 23yrs and under that are better than Oscar. The fact that you'll struggle to name 7 sef is proof that Oscar is top level. We are building a team for the future that can be equally able to compete at every level now, and Oscar is almost perfect for us in that regard. All I can say. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:35pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
dawhizkid1: Chelsea is in the top 5 clubs in European footie. So why should I name ten under 23s? Our AM should equally be in the top 5 or 10 AMS - this is not U17 World Cup we're playing here. Top-10 Under 23 level players should be playing at Leverkusen, not Chelsea. If I start listing the Gotze's, Draxlers and Sterlings of this world finish, I'm sure I'll get past 10 sef. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:36pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime just dont like a team that has a 10.. or would I say Ibime does not like a team that plays a 10 in the hole.. He fancies 4-3-3 to 4-5-1.. 3 'Centre' Midfielders that attacks and Defends, 2 Wingers that helps the Full backs, and 1 striker.. No number 10 like Oscar.. He prefers a number 8 like Vidal and Yaya Toure.. But lets get this Straight Ibime, Forget about Oscar previous Stats, and Check out the game on Saturday.. Oscar dint play as a 10.. he Operated mainly as an 8.. (Check what Fabregas said at the Post match talks) Which brings the question, if Oscar can play beside Matic on Saturday, Y cant he play similar role with proper grooming in the future?? Lets not forget, he is just 23?? He still has the world at his feet.. I am not trying to compare Lampard and Oscar.. But Lampard was Voted as the 2nd best player in the world at 26/27 years.. Oscar still has 4 Years to reach that.. When Lampard got to Chelsea in 2011 at the age of 23, He was not accepted. I even read an article about the fans of Chelsea protesting about him starting a Crucial match against Spurs (His 1st match).. PS: Lampard is a Legend because we gave him time to prove that.. Oscar is still a young player, Give him time! 1 Like |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Nobody: 6:42pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: Dont mention any German here! Because Draxlers is playing well in German league, does not mean he will perform well in the English.. Draxlers is Over rated..! Gotze is just a Normal player, he is not extra-Ordinary... Just like Muller.. (Has an eye for goal, and he is at the right place at the right time.. Sometin all germans know how to do) And U even mention Sterling?? Are U serious about Sterling or you are trolling Just mention Ihenacho to complete the list pls.. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by cuteypooch(m): 6:44pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Chelsea XI: Cech, Ivanović, Zouma, Terry, Luis, Matic, Fabregas, Hazard, Oscar , Willian, Rémy Petr Cech will be cup tied. So, no movement for him in January at least. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:44pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Bimfo: There ain't no issue with giving the player time. Read back the archives. My issue is with Guapo placing Oscar above Lampard the minute Oscar walked through the door. Same issue - placing Oscar above Kroos, Gotze and Muller the minute Oscar walked through the door. So after Oscar failed in his first two years, I keep asking him if he was smoking crack, the slimy nigga quickly change his story - claiming credit for "foreseeing Oscar becoming good". A nigga who already proclaimed Oscar a great, disrespected genuine greats like Lampard and Bayern midfielders and placed Oscar above them. Oscar flopped for two years - and now when Oscar plays one good game, he will be claiming he is an all seeing Dibia. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Ibime(m): 6:49pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Bimfo: Gotze is the topscorer in Bundesliga as we speak. Gotze was the best player as Dortmund won two Bundesligas . . . at the age of 18 Gotze had 11 assists in 2013 UCL. . . and was the best player that took Dortmund to UCL final. Oscar has never even made 10 assists in a full season. Gotze shitted on Oscar in Brazil. Oscar has never won any club trophy - UEFA Cup he was on the bench. Gotze is 2 years younger than Oscar. What has Oscar achieved in his career apart from riding bench in every big game and being part of some of the most disgraceful displays in Chelsea history such as losing to Shakhtar and Juventus woefully? Please don't mention this outside this thread, lest you be ridiculed. I won't even get into Sterling or Draxler. . . . Oscar even senior them with 4 years and they are more influential. 2 Likes |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by cuteypooch(m): 6:52pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: You can't compare Oscar's development with the likes of gotze, draxler etc.... Don't forget he came into Europe from a different football culture as seen in his progress over the last two, three seasons. I am very sure in years to come, Oscar will be a great player if not better than most of the aforementioned. |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by Dhellake: 6:57pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Man City are a disgrace, they should just sack this Pellegrini and employ coach wey sabi play champions league jare |
Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Champions Of Europe 2021 by dawhizkid1(m): 7:01pm On Oct 21, 2014 |
Ibime: Honestly, there is no issue here if you rate Raheem Sterling and Julian 'I don't even make my national team starting XI' Draxler above Oscar. No issue really. Funny enough, none of those guys can play as a classic number 10. You just have a problem with Oscar, I guess. |
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