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paxonel:
you have a point there,
they say he is not God, he is a son, like every other prophets

they dnt accept the trinity dictrine.

paxonel:
you have a point there,
they say he is not God, he is a son, like every other prophets

That's exactly the reason debating any matter with them is futile. It's more or less like debating a Bible fact with a Muslim...

Dreal1247:
Having read all ur comments, in my own opinion, this is is an extremely complicated issue. Saying there is confuspino in christiandom is an understatement. There is catastrophy. Most pastors are more interested in personal fame, wealth, gathering multitudes as followers, etc than the salvation of the followers. Because of this, the level of occultism is so much in the church. Instead of trying to prove to the world that you are together, you loose your salvation. Stay alone. God knows those who are his. Some pastors are worse than fetish priests. Phil 2:12, Matt 13:24-30.
WORK OUT YOUR OWN SALVATION WITH FEAR AND TREMBLING. My candid opinion.

A very difficult truth. We seem to major in the issues that divide us. I believe the top pastors are somehow United, but the same can't be said of us at the bottom levels.

Sometimes I think whether we read different Bibles. The one I read preaches oneness and love in the Body of Christ, not schism and quarrels.

Bro, I agree prosperity is part of the Gospel package, but like you said, it's being abused and over-flogged. It's one message that can choke away all other vital values in the life of a believer. The prosperity Gospel only focuses on what we get, rather than what Christ gets.

These fundamental doctrinal differences are a major source of division amongst us. We are in trouble.

In the 15th century, the stupidly broke away from God's one true Church...

In the 21st century, they're stupidly asking why there's no unity among Christians.

italo:
In the 15th century, the stupidly broke away from God's one true Church...

In the 21st century, they're stupidly asking why there's no unity among Christians.

My guy, it's being a long time. Happy to have you here.

The matter wey dry ground na serious one ooo

dein77:
My guy, it's being a long time. Happy to have you here.

The matter wey dry ground na serious one ooo

Thank you.

Very serious matter.

But how can Christians pretend to want a solution when they are avoiding the genesis of the issue?

If you don't know when or how a problem occured, how can you solve it?

The critical question is: when and how did this disunity come about?

italo:
Thank you.

Very serious matter.

But how can Christians pretend to want a solution when they are avoiding the genesis of the issue?

If you don't know when or how a problem occured, how can you solve it?

The critical question is: when and how did this disunity come about?

I think we should rather pay more attention to bridging this division.

Honestly, I flow along with every Christian. But that's not the case with most Christians.

italo:
In the 15th century, the stupidly broke away from God's one true Church...

In the 21st century, they're stupidly asking why there's no unity among Christians.

why would they not break away when catholic introduced paganism into the church? and many dangerous heresies.

I think its because u re all a liar

haffaze777:
I think its because u re all a liar

are u nt a liar?

haffaze777:
I think its because u re all a liar

We no understand you ooo!!!

Ukutsgp:
1corinthians 1:10-13.


10 Now I plead with you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. 11 For it has been declared to me concerning you, my brethren, by those of Chloe’s household, that there are contentions among you. 12 Now I say this, that each of you says, “I am of Paul,” or “I am of Apollos,” or “I am of Cephas,” or “I am of Christ.” 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Or were you baptized in the name of Paul?


God is not the author of confusion but it seems that there is confusion in Christendom today. it seems that Christians are longer united. different churches has their own doctrines and belief. Christians no longer speak the same thing. they no longer have one mind and are no longer ready to embrace one another.

the question is, why the division? is Christ divided?
why are we not speaking the same thing? why are we not united in the faith?

why is it that the catholic are not speaking the same thing with Christ embassy, why is Christ embassy not speaking the same thing with celestial church, why is celestial church not speaking the same thing with Redeem christian church of God, why is Redeem christian church of God not speaking the same thing with seventh day adventist, why is seventh day adventist not speaking the same thing with Deeper life church, why is Deeper life church not speaking the same thing with church of Christ, why is church of Christ not speaking the same thing with Methodist church, why is Methodist church not speaking the same thing church of God mission, why is church of God mission not speaking the same thing with mountain of fire and miracles and why is mountain of fire and miracles not speaking the same thing with Jehovah witness?
is the bible not the same? are we not serving one God? and having one faith?

Ephesians 4:3-6
3 endeavoring to keep the unity of the Spirit in the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called in one hope of your calling; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you a all.

Jesus wants the church to be united and be one. John 17:21.

we should not allow the atheist and Muslim to mock us. let the church find a lasting solution to this problem of division in doctrines and all others.

now, what are the solutions to this problems in Christendom? your views is needed.

Op, I have once wondered about this and after much thinking, I was able to come up wit some primary reasons....
1) PRIDE/ARROGANCE/STUBBORNNESS/INTOLERANCE: If you study Church history, you will see that this is one of the main reasons of splitting among churches.. For example, a church has a certain doctrine, some members discover it isn't according to the scriptures, but the church declares it is 'right' and labels the truth-tellers as liars, heretics, etc. The church kicks them out and they start theirs.. Countless examples abound in history. PLS note that the reverse is also very applicable; a church has certain correct principles or teachings however some dissents hold contrary and unscriptural/modern-day views. such eventually leave the main church and start theirs..... There are also examples here in Nigeria and worldwide.


2)FOLLOWING PEOPLE: some individuals gain a lot of popularity in churches due to their positions or services rendered.. it gets into their heads, hence they soon seek ways to establish their own churches.. Some even claim that God has called them into ministry ( PLS AM NOT SAYING ALL WHO CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN CALLED BY GOD ARE FAKES). Another point of view is when there is a leadership crises where by the main pastor dies, the assisting pastors try to takeover, one succeeds, the other(s) fails and leaves to start another one with as many as are willing to follow them


3)Hunger: some people go into ministry to make money. such people generally do not preach sound doctrine.

4) Conformity/Worldliness: some people realise that the teachings of Jesus and the apostles are not easy to abide by, hence they twist scriptures and preach watered-down doctrines to suit themselves.

PLS NOTE THAT I HAVE REFUSED TO GIVE SPECIFIC NAMES OF CHURCHES, AS THIS WOULD BE COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE

The division exist because we don't understand what the Church is. The Church is the bride of Christ, his heart beat whom he has passionately
pursued from eternity to here. The Church is the house of God, the temple of
a living God built not with cement and blocks but with spirit and flesh. This
temple is located at the ends of heaven and earth for it is the divine traffic of
heaven and earth. The Church is the sum up of the new creatures - a group
of aliens who has invaded planet earth. The Church is the family of God - the
only real family that exist for all other family are a shadow and a
representation of the reality which is the Church. There are nothing like
Yoruba Christian, Igbo Christian, Hausa Christian or Jewish Christian for all
members of the Church are of the same race and origin which is heaven and
God our Father. Lastly the Church is the body of Christ. As Christ is the head
Christ is also the body therefore the Church is Christ on earth. The body is
meant to express the life that is in it so also the Church expresses Christ.

blessedvisky:
Op, I have once wondered about this and after much thinking, I was able to come up wit some primary reasons....
1) PRIDE/ARROGANCE/STUBBORNNESS/INTOLERANCE: If you study Church history, you will see that this is one of the main reasons of splitting among churches.. For example, a church has a certain doctrine, some members discover it isn't according to the scriptures, but the church declares it is 'right' and labels the truth-tellers as liars, heretics, etc. The church kicks them out and they start theirs.. Countless examples abound in history. PLS note that the reverse is also very applicable; a church has certain correct principles or teachings however some dissents hold contrary and unscriptural/modern-day views. such eventually leave the main church and start theirs..... There are also examples here in Nigeria and worldwide.


2)FOLLOWING PEOPLE: some individuals gain a lot of popularity in churches due to their positions or services rendered.. it gets into their heads, hence they soon seek ways to establish their own churches.. Some even claim that God has called them into ministry ( PLS AM NOT SAYING ALL WHO CLAIM TO HAVE BEEN CALLED BY GOD ARE FAKES). Another point of view is when there is a leadership crises where by the main pastor dies, the assisting pastors try to takeover, one succeeds, the other(s) fails and leaves to start another one with as many as are willing to follow them


3)Hunger: some people go into ministry to make money. such people generally do not preach sound doctrine.

4) Conformity/Worldliness: some people realise that the teachings of Jesus and the apostles are not easy to abide by, hence they twist scriptures and preach watered-down doctrines to suit themselves.

PLS NOTE THAT I HAVE REFUSED TO GIVE SPECIFIC NAMES OF CHURCHES, AS THIS WOULD BE COUNTER-PRODUCTIVE

u are very correct. Some churches that like introducing paganism into the house of God should watch out. Things like carved or moulded images, rosary etc.

Ukutsgp:
are u nt a liar?

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I am cos I need to follow my mentor broda uncle apostle paul d greatest liar of all time

dein77:
We no understand you ooo!!!

I mean we (Christian) we are all liar cos dats what uncle paul told us to do to gain gullible mind

If you can objectively look at every world religion you will see that they have all divided into different sects or denominations. It is part of human nature to form into groups, each group claiming to have more insight or are more right or the only ones that know. Every one has their own perspective. Two people can read the same bible verse and come to two different conclusions. Church's divide over details, they split hairs and then pass judgement but if you look at the essence of it it is all about love for God and our fellow man. Division in the church is not justified but every religion divides because of our human nature.

Ukutsgp:
u are very correct. Some churches that like introducing paganism into the house of God should watch out. Things like carved or moulded images, rosary etc.

I would not be so quick to pass judgement. Jesus tells us not to judge, we should speak what the bible says but as soon as you begin to pass judgement and point the finger at a particular church and say your wrong you are being part of the division.

No one has it completely right.

allen6758:
I would not be so quick to pass judgement. Jesus tells us not to judge, we should speak what the bible says but as soon as you begin to pass judgement and point the finger at a particular church and say your wrong you are being part of the division.

if christians truly adhered to what bible teaches, we would not have this division. many are walking according to their senses instead of yielding to the leading of the holy spirit. many know the truth, but they dont want to follow it maybe due to some selfish reasons or claims. God will help us.

allen6758:
No one has it completely right.

that is why we have the spirit of truth. u will know when u are wrong.

haffaze777:
I mean we (Christian) we are all liar cos dats what uncle paul told us to do to gain gullible mind

paul didn't tell us that. it is the devil that is telling you that. u have to reject that father of lies.

haffaze777:
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I am cos I need to follow my mentor broda uncle apostle paul d greatest liar of all time

no. you are following the devil the father of lies.

How can we go about that without exploring how the division occurred in the first place?

Tell me what you think we should do.

dein77:
I think we should rather pay more attention to bridging this division.

Honestly, I flow along with every Christian. But that's not the case with most Christians.

The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth...it has that completely right.

There is division simply because so called Christians broke away from it.

allen6758:
No one has it completely right.

italo:
The Catholic Church has the fullness of truth...it has that completely right.

There is division simply because so called Christians broke away from it.

the catholic does nt have the fullness of truth but lies. Have u asked yourself why they broke away? Will they just wake up and say they are leaving?

allen6758:
If you can objectively look at every world religion you will see that they have all divided into different sects or denominations. It is part of human nature to form into groups, each group claiming to have more insight or are more right or the only ones that know. Every one has their own perspective. Two people can read the same bible verse and come to two different conclusions. Church's divide over details, they split hairs and then pass judgement but if you look at the essence of it it is all about love for God and our fellow man. Division in the church is not justified but every religion divides because of our human nature.

Chrisrians do not have human nature for we have the nature of God (2Peter 1:4).

italo:
Tell me what you think we should do.

By ourselves we can do nothing, man may try but fail a thousand times. But I think the cause of the problem is that we emphasize too mush on holiness, correct doctrine, proper religious practices, right religious teaches, sin management and etc. We focus too mush on the issue of sin and this produce fear and confusion. As Christians are call to look unto Jesus but not sin, holiness or how to escape hell. I have listen to many sermon where the preacher keep mentioning hell and sin but hardly every mention Jesus except in prayer. We are to look away unto Jesus: look away from sin, doctrine, theology, denomination, holiness, prosperity, healing and look unto Jesus for in him we are united as one body.

Hiswordxray:
Chrisrians do not have human nature for we have the nature of God (2Peter 1:4).

By ourselves we can do nothing, man may try but fail a thousand times. But I think the cause of the problem is that we emphasize too mush on holiness, correct doctrine, proper religious practices, right religious teaches, sin management and etc. We focus too mush on the issue of sin and this produce fear and confusion. As Christians are call to look unto Jesus but not sin, holiness or how to escape hell. I have listen to many sermon where the preacher keep mentioning hell and sin but hardly every mention Jesus except in prayer. We are to look away unto Jesus: look away from sin, doctrine, theology, denomination, holiness, prosperity, healing and look unto Jesus for in him we are united as one body.

So you believe God's Church has been led astray from what God wants it to teach?

Ukutsgp:
the catholic does nt have the fullness of truth but lies. Have u asked yourself why they broke away? Will they just wake up and say they are leaving?

Ggrhuu787
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italo:
So you believe God's Church has been led astray from what God wants it to teach?

The issue here is not how to merge everyone to your Roman chUrch. Its about how we can see one another as brethren, in love, irrespective of the various divides.

If you can't grab it then fly away here and stop making noise.

italo:
Ggrhuu787
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this is what?

italo:
So you believe God's Church has been led astray from what God wants it to teach?

many church have deviated from the truth particularly, the catholic church.