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Rilwayne001:
LOL!

Drink orange indeed

I guess the guy is'nt a yoloba

yazach:
This means you can not also called it misinterpretation since you haven't set your eyes on the original language

Now the question is:
why are we not having the original bible with its original language in the circulation as you have the translated ones?

manuell1021:
let us turn it around, y do we hv Arabic quran on circulation more Dan any oda language?

yazach:
Although, I will not like you to change the topic but I will still answer you since you have no answer for the reason why the Original bible is not in circulation(Note: That means you are not a good researcher)

Answer to your question

Just to protect its authenticity

If anybody gives you a disgusting translation, you can just try and learn the language then you know if he is lying or not and this makes the Qura'an unique in its understanding

yazach:
This is not a Joke o broz. It is a matter that needs serious thinking.

Why have I not set my eyes on the Original Bible?

Rilwayne001:
LMAO
Guess someone is scared to see [size=14pt]how errant the book called bible is[/size] .

I'll ask this question for the last time, are there contradictions and errors in the bible or not?

Please answer this^^ question...

I can't remember reading any shabir alli 101 contradictions, and i'm not copying any article for you

why are you scared, Just answer my question...biko

I'm still coming back to this but please answer my question.

Are there not contradictions in the bible?

You don't get me at all

yazach:
Although, I will not like you to change the topic but I will still answer you since you have no answer for the reason why the Original bible is not in circulation(Note: That means you are not a good researcher)

Answer to your question
Just to protect its authenticity

If anybody gives you a disgusting translation, you can just try and learn the language then you know if he is lying or not and this makes the Qur'an unique in its understanding

bingbagbo:
john chapter 1:10 states " he was in the world, and the world was made by him, but the world did not recognize him"....who is this scripture talking about?

manuell1021:
well it was translated from its original content I believe, well I don't bother myself wit dat, wat bother myself wit is d messages, re d prophecies accurate? Re d blessings been fulfilled?

Emusan:
Then you're a liar



Neither I set my eyes on the original Qur'an.

Emusan:
Another lie, when will Muslims stop lying for the sake of Islam.

What is the meaning of translate?

If I say 'Ekale' in Yoruba and an English man translated it to 'Good evening', does it mean that the English man didn't read the original meaning of Ekale in Yoruba?

My Answer: Can you see your life out side? If youruba man says Ekale and Oyinbo man said good evening, as a typical yoruba man, are the two the same?
Yoruba: Ale, Asaale and Oru
Oyinbo: Evening and Night

Now tell us which one of youruba term is oyinbo's evening and which one is oyinbo's night

This is enough for you to reason that the 100% authenticity of any language remain in as much as it is not translated

Yet the first copy collected were burnt.

All the ORIGINAL Bible MANUSCRIPTS IN POSSESSION TODAY WERE OLDER THAN MUHAMMAD, so which one is more authentic?

My answer: Please give us the name of the first copy that was burnt?

The original bible like King James Version(1611) or RSV(1901)


We have many Hebrew, Latin, Greek, Aramaic Bible today so what is the point?
My Answer: Where are they? Can you read them? Why are they not in circulation as translated ones?

Remember Muslim scholars first rejected translation of Qur'an into other languages that's why you will find Qur'an mostly in Arabic EVEN TILL NOW MOST MUSLIMS STILL BELIEVE THAT READING QUR'AN IN ANOTHER LANGUAGE IS NOT THE BEST they believe it is best in its mother tongue which is Arabic.
My answer: Just think about the yoruba/oyinbo analogy I gave above, which way is the best to understand yoruba? Reading it in its translated or in its real language? You have no point ogbeni

Yet those Arabic Qur'an are not the EXERT MANUSCRIPT of Uthman's copy BUT A COPY THAT HAS BEEN rendered to fit for reading where some CONJUNCTION, DEFINITE article, INDEFINITE articles e.t.c were added to make it more sounds to read.
Lol Sheu Emusan, we muslim understand all ways of reciting the Qura'an so stop deceiving your self

yazach:
@red, prove ne wrong

@blue, but you can set your eyes on the original language in which it was revealed.

So where is the bible written in its original language

did you even understand the language?

The fact that you people neglect understanding the language makes you easy to be deceived

yazach:
Lol Sheu Emusan, we muslim understand all ways of reciting the Qura'an so stop deceiving your self

Emusan:
In fact John 1:10 is not the best reference but John 1:3

For you to see how flaw the JWs teaching is read the John 1:3 and Colossians 1:15-18 in their own Bible.

Here is John 1:3 in their own Bible
"All things were created through him(The word/Christ), apart from him (The Word/Christ) NOT EVEN ONE THING CAME INTO EXISTENCE, what has come into existence" NWT

Let's break this verse down @underlined:
1) APART from Him:--- This means that NOTHING was created that didn't pass through Christ.

2) NOT EVEN ONE THING CAME INTO EXISTENCE:--- In fact this is more interesting because NO CREATURE CAME INTO EXISTENCE except through Christ this means it was Christ who brought every CREATURE INTO EXISTENCE.

3) What HAS COME into existence:--- This further support that NO CREATURE THAT EXISTED except through Christ.


YET this same JWs who render this beautiful verse like this can still say Jesus is the FIRST CREATURE OF GOD.

Emusan:
After reading this verse one can conclude that Jesus is the one who created Himself according to JWs.

RikoduoSennin:
Because Rev 3:14 and Col 1:15- 18 says so.

Also the above Scripture does not disprove that- he merely stated that Jesus is the master worker used to create everything,

just the same way "a Senator" uses a "Civil Engineer" to build/supervised his estates. Who actually owns the building- the Civil Engineer or the Senator.

No, that is not the conclusion at all, Same way Jesus did not "resurrect himself"

sa(y)me way he did not create himself.

Everything was made because of him and for him by his Father and God- Jehovah.

Why else would Jesus need or have a God whom he answers to if he was not created? (John 20:17)

But you can believe what you want to. You have a right to your opinion- right or wrong.

Emusan:
Rev 3:14 and Col 1:15-18 would contradict John 1:3 if actually what the two books were saying is that God created Jesus first before using Him to create other things.

Emusan:
Is the master worker used to create everything INCLUDING Himself, right?

Emusan:
Firstly, your logic here contradict your below statement. The Senator is the owner!

Emusan:
Secondly, we are not talking about who uses one to achieve something BUT WHAT CAME FIRST INTO EXISTENCE!

Emusan:
Jesus said He will be the one who will raise Himself up, didn't you read that in the Bible?

Emusan:
This contradict your above logic about Senator/Civil Engineer illustration because the Civil Engineer has nothing to do about the project anymore and the project was not built because of/for the Civil Engineer.

Emusan:
Secondly, Bible says everything was also created because of/for/by the Father, so what do you say about that?

Emusan:
Why else would Jesus accept been called God when He is not God? John 20:28

Emusan:
Then why do you quote me in the first place?

RikoduoSennin:
No it doesn't contradict it, but supports it.

Do you need the bible to mention that everything with the exception of himself again.

It logical that himself won't be included- but John 1:3 says nothing the origin of the "master worker "and "the Father", the other two scripture says something about the origin of the "master worker-Jesus".

Yes, the Same way Jehovah is the true owner of everything: Both Satan and Jesus attest to the fact that He is the one who will send Angels to safeguard Jesus (Matt 4:1-, Jehovah promised Jesus a kingdom not the other way around, the phrase my/Jesus' "Father's house" indicates who has ownership.

Yes, you have a point there. Well then, Did Jesus have a GOD whom he answers to just like us? If yes, how is that someone Jesus' God, if he did not create Jesus?

Show me were in the scriptures please, let's examine his exact words carefully, [size=14pt]if it wasn't an hypothetical statement and not a fact.[/size] What did he say when he was about to die? What did apostle Peter, Paul and others say about who really did the ressurection of Jesus christ (Read Acts chapter 1-28). Someone raised him, even David prophecied it, excepted that Prophecy was a lie and everything else in the bible with it.

It doesn't because the Senator his the biological Father of the Civil Engineer in question (Same way Jesus is THe SON of GOD).---Application: 12 Jesus was found in "his Father's house-Place of worship/temple" and he said he is going to "his Father's house- Spiritual Heaven" to prepare a place for his disciples.

Please provide me with that verse.

Jesus did or Say NOTHING when he was called God by Thomas,

please don't over-stretch your imagination, besides being a Mighty God does not make one an Alnighty God does it?

Why ignore the same Fact that Jesus has a GOD too, who he answers to?

You thought I could still reason with you, but it seems you won't let me.

Emusan:
because you are not carrying the Uthamic manuscripts but copy from it. so saying you have original Quran it's a lie from the pit of hell.#

Mr. Man!! I hope you can differentiate between original language and original copy
Hope you know that the only book that is memorized word for word, text for text, alphabet for alphabet in history of mankind is QURA'AN we Muslim do memorize it even as at when revealed so this makes it easy to detect any mistake in translation

Yes Quran in Arabic full market.
Do you want to tell me that no Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek Bible that you can purchase in the market?

My Answer: Tell us you have set your eyes on any How did you know it remain its full revealed language when you don't even understand the language

If you're serious check here http://www.bmsoftware.co.uk/bibleworks7.htm and stop confusing people just because you want to propagate Islam.

Stop lying again.

My Answer: Your lies and Hippocratic have no bound this make you think others are lairs like you.

I don't need to understand it, it's left for you to question Allah why people must learn one particular language in other to serve him.
To me Yahweh had already prophecy that time is coming that people will worship God in their respects languages but in one accord.
So to read Bible in one language is to deny the prophecy of God.

Ok I understand why you always reject truth when you already have it at hand
You said and I quote: "I don't need to understand it" this statement will only keep you wallowing in ignorance.


Nobody neglect original language the Bible was written, IT JUST THAT IT'S NOT COMPULSORY/MANDATORY by Yahweh like Allah made Quran mandatory in Arabic.
My anwer:
Let me ask you question: If those that translate bible to the language you use to read it made mistake, how would you know when you don't understand the original language? Can you no see why we Muslims are extraordinary when it comes to seeking knowledge


If they neglect, it how do will have Bible in over 1000 different Languages? Which means many people have studied the various languages that were used to write Bible.

Prove to me that a particular language can remain its 100% authenticity after being translated

So don't dive into what you don't know or stop intentionally lying for the propagation of Islam.

My Answer: Knowledge is better understood if study with its originality and by the time neglect that, you become "garbage in garbage out"

Instead of you Muslims to be thanking Christian for taking the first step to translate Quran into English because it was Christian who force Islamic scholars to begin to translate Quran into English and other Languages.

hahahahahahah . your last statement makes me laugh

Emusan:
Who says you people didn't understand the way of reciting your book, this shows that you don't know what you're talking about.

You accused Christians of not possessing THE ORIGINAL Bible which I go ahead to tell you that, you Muslims also don't have the original Quran but the copy of it.

So how does your statement address my post?

Ignorant is at work here.

yazach:
Should I say you can't comprehend simple English. Let me repeat my question. Why are we not having the bibles with its original language in the circulation as we have translated ones? Hope you understand now

"why are we not having the original bible WITH ITS original language in the circulation as you have the translated ones?"

Emusan:
I will use this to inform you to go back to the rest of your post for proper modifications so that I can quote and reply them appropriately.

To your question, you're saying maybe I can't comprehend simple English but here is where our DISCUSSION ABOUT BIBLE AND ITS LANGUAGE STARTED FROM in your question;



Good English student can see that your question here is dualistic which I answered as you put it.

If your question had come this way; "why are we not having BIBLE WITH ITS ORIGINAL LANGUAGE..." but immediately you put "THE ORIGINAL BIBLE" and separated it with "WITH ITS ORIGINAL" makes your question to be addressing more than one thing.

it means you're expecting us to be going around with the original one Moses wrote and the rest.

So always be sound on how you construct your statement(s).

yazach:
I read through the responds of other Christians, it seems you are the only one that doesn't understand the question.
But thank God you now joined the better people will you please respond appropriately?

Emusan:
I said MODIFY YOUR MIXED UP POST.


Separate MY STATEMENT from YOURS OK!

yazach:
and I said answer the question since you showed that you alone did not understand the post and I have explained it to you.
Note: it is not a shame to say I don't know. Just answer the question else quit this tread

Emusan:
Jesus can have God in His HUMAN form BUT NOT IN HIS pre-existence form...don't confuse Jesus' two nature with together.

Emusan:
No! You said I can believe what I chose to believe because that's my choice BUT WHY not just ignore me since you know I can believe what I chose to believe?

RikoduoSennin:
What about after Jesus was resurrected and went to Heaven, why did he still have a GOD: see Rev 3:12. Also note: He is going to his God in John 20:17.

I think I will let you be.

Emusan:
It's like you never understand what I'm saying.

Let me repeat myself this time, I said your post mixed both your OWN statement and mine together if I click QUOTE on your post it'll only show your moniker while the rest will be BLANK, so modify your post by rearranging them so that if I quote your post it'll only display your statement.

Is it clear?

yazach:
Next person please