drered:
Hmmm.. *modified* I initially didn't want to say nothing but then as expected there are so many people ignorant of how healthcare works/ how it should work.. Other members of the healthcare team have been undermined for too long and they want to do something about it but then the supposed leaders of the healthcare team as usual have issues with it.. First, it was the pharm. D programme that has since been replaced by the B.pharm programme in so many countries but is currently being practised in Nigeria. Pharm. D is designed to make pharmacy practise more clinically oriented requiring an extra year in teaching hospitals for which the deans and other selected professionals went on a retreat abroad and designed a framework for this programme, identified potential co-ordinators for this programme but then when they came back to Nigeria the doctors kicked against it saying pharmacists just wanted to be called doctors. Last time I checked this is still in court.. Now consultancy has been approved for other professions and much dust is being raised by people who don't fully grasp the practise.. Pharmacy is way too multi dimensional to be streamlined in the hospital.. For every specialty in the hospital there are medicines that are used so what exactly is wrong with becoming a specialist in a particular field? The complexities of drugs relating to therapy isn't fully understood by most people and that's the major reason they think this isn't necessary.. Why shouldn't there be residency in oncology, peadiatrics, cardiology and other specialties?.. Who would ensure medication safety and monitor drug therapy especially in patients with multiple drug regimen? An HIV patient in UCH had diarrhoea for close to 4months and had finished so many packets of loperamide prescribed by the doctor. The pharmacists probed and discovered this patient was using aloe vera which is a laxative as a supplement and this was the underlying cause of the patients diarrhoea, after the pharm's advice four days after for the first time in 4months this patient could retain food.. There are so many cases of negligence that had cost patients their life that could have been corrected if other members of the health care team were more involved but then most MD's just want to retain their god complex.. For the people saying consultancy in other fields will cause anarchy and confusion will a programme like this be run and clear boundaries not stated? Will the practise not be regulated by regulatory bodies? The way I see it, its the fear that the incompetence of so many doctors might be revealed.. In saner climes a pharmacist recognises a drug therapy problem and runs this by the MD, they put heads together and ultimately optimise therapy but then because you are a consultant in a field your method or therapeutic regimen should not be questioned when you might be causing more damage to a patient?.. Think about it, a pharmacist spends say 10years in a hospital and stays the same coupled with the routine nature of his job in a hospital while an MD spends the same number of years and would have become an authority in his field.. Isn't this enough reason for the agitation? Pharmacists are saying they want to be more involved and apply what they have been trained for with the sole aim of improving therapeutic outcome but some low-lifes would want to twist that?..

Samgreguc:

have you heard of the world Apothecary?

THUNDER4real:
All these small boys of yesterday sef. Small brain, pls reason properly b4 posting. Oh I forget, you reason from the anus.

Mbediogu:


The pharmacist does not have to act as consultant in order to do his job well. Mind you, not all doctors are consultants. The one that discovered and stopped the patient taking herbs in a ward did the job of a nurse and is asking for consultant status because of that. A pharmacist can also advice the doctor on certain drug issues. If the consultancy they seek brings them into direct consultation with patients, then....
Remember signs displayed in pharmacies - if symptoms persist, see a doctor.

ocelot2006:



Says the "big man" with farts and turd for brain. Keep posting a$$ wipe

decode55:
They've finally gotten what they wanted.

Its all good sha.

But one thing is certain:


the title: Consultant as a Doctor is entirely different from the same title as a Nurse or Cleaner.


NMA still has the upper hand though

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what's the craze about being FTC?


SMH

mentorandfriend:
Pray tell. But dont drag me into a mindless e-fight. I dont do e-fight. I have enough self respect for that.

intergral:
Does it mean that cleaner or ward maid fit dey consult? 9ja- the president is clueless, the people are conFuse, cease fire bokoharam refuse, money is being misused!!!!!!!!!!!! BEWARE OF 2015!!!!

retepmurt:
Specialised in what field?

drlawizle:


No mind dem, never seen a group so shameless at copying others...when we develop another name dem too go open mouth say dem wan be am...bunch of copy & paste.

drered:
Who really is copying who? Get a good book on the history of medicine.. Medicine became what it is today by encroaching other professions notably the midwives or how do you think O and G came about?.. Since when has becoming a specialist in one's field become an exclusivity for M.D's that everyone is copying?.. You an M.D and you don't even have the basic capacity to reason.. Smh

iahmed:
whoever said anything about ward maids or cleaners becoming consultants,i wonder why I use my an*s for reasoning!

Mbediogu:


The pharmacist does not have to act as consultant in order to do his job well. Mind you, not all doctors are consultants. The one that discovered and stopped the patient taking herbs in a ward did the job of a nurse and is asking for consultant status because of that. A pharmacist can also advice the doctor on certain drug issues. If the consultancy they seek brings them into direct consultation with patients, then....
Remember signs displayed in pharmacies - if symptoms persist, see a doctor.

drered:
Who really is copying who? Get a good book on the history of medicine.. Medicine became what it is today by encroaching other professions notably the midwives or how do you think O and G came about?.. Since when has becoming a specialist in one's field become an exclusivity for M.D's that everyone is copying?.. You an M.D and you don't even have the basic capacity to reason.. Smh

Samgreguc:

if uv heard of that, u wil quickly go to modify dat post of urs.

drlawizle:


So doctors encroached on midwives ko? Its your type that keeps misinforming d public cos your reasoning is only good @ insulting doctors...I will rather not reason @ol dan reason d way you do.

drered:
I ignored some of your points by error and going through your post again i can understand why.. Firstly, "the one" is a pharmacist, and identifying drug-drug, drug-herb interaction among many others is one of the basics of the pharmacology both medical and pharmacy students are taught. Pharmacist know more of pharmacology so it is understandable why a pharmacist will identify potential interactions wether drug-drug, drug-herb, drug-disease.. Nd that exactly is where my point lies.. How exactly does your last phrase relate to anything we are talking about?

MrsAwesome:
You can't see it in Davidson textbook, get some history on encroachment of O and G into midwifery in Wikipedia.

mentorandfriend:
Mtchew. I thought you were intelligent, or had something better to say. I was gearing up for an intelligent dicussion with you; didnt know you're one of the 12 year olds on nairaland. Well, its only on a faceless forum as this that people can afford to insult their uncles and aunts. So bad. Please dont quote me again because I wont reply you. We are class apart.

Mbediogu:


Pharmacy is alll about drugs ..agreed. Medicine is about drugs and DISEASES, among others. Or is ther any pharm course known as patho-pharmacy? All the experiments you do in pharmacology are based on response of HEALTHY tissues. Medicine and therapeutics are based on responses of diseased tissues to drugs (or medicine, which is the true name of profession of medical doctors). This is not to belittle the pharmacy profession which is an important basis of all mediacal practices whether orthodox or traditional. Pharmacists concentrating in their core area can revolutionize the art of healing, but that cannot be achieved thro interaction with patients because they are not trained in clerkship, history taking, systemic exams, and lab investigations and interpretation. A doctor is also a mini -pharmacist, -nurse, -labman, all rolled into one. Let us stop inhouse fighting within our sacred joint humanitarian profession. As an old doctor, father of a 3rd MBBS student, and in-law to a pharmacist, I feel sad about the goings on in health sector.

Mbediogu:


Pharmacy is alll about drugs ..agreed. Medicine is about drugs and DISEASES, among others. Or is ther any pharm course known as patho-pharmacy? All the experiments you do in pharmacology are based on response of HEALTHY tissues. Medicine and therapeutics are based on responses of diseased tissues to drugs (or medicine, which is the true name of profession of medical doctors). This is not to belittle the pharmacy profession which is an important basis of all mediacal practices whether orthodox or traditional. Pharmacists concentrating in their core area can revolutionize the art of healing, but that cannot be achieved thro interaction with patients because they are not trained in clerkship, history taking, systemic exams, and lab investigations and interpretation. A doctor is also a mini -pharmacist, -nurse, -labman, all rolled into one. Let us stop inhouse fighting within our sacred joint humanitarian profession. As an old doctor, father of a 3rd MBBS student, and in-law to a pharmacist, I feel sad about the goings on in health sector.

drlawizle:


Ofcourse you'll rather believe wikipedia & slam medical textbooks to drive home your point...you think I got the time to confirm a misguided, envious & frustrated group's point of view...

I have a life, y'all should go get one as well.

Mbediogu:


Pharmacy is alll about drugs ..agreed. Medicine is about drugs and DISEASES, among others. Or is ther any pharm course known as patho-pharmacy? All the experiments you do in pharmacology are based on response of HEALTHY tissues. Medicine and therapeutics are based on responses of diseased tissues to drugs (or medicine, which is the true name of profession of medical doctors). This is not to belittle the pharmacy profession which is an important basis of all mediacal practices whether orthodox or traditional. Pharmacists concentrating in their core area can revolutionize the art of healing, but that cannot be achieved thro interaction with patients because they are not trained in clerkship, history taking, systemic exams, and lab investigations and interpretation. A doctor is also a mini -pharmacist, -nurse, -labman, all rolled into one. Let us stop inhouse fighting within our sacred joint humanitarian profession. As an old doctor, father of a 3rd MBBS student, and in-law to a pharmacist, I feel sad about the goings on in health sector.

Unbias:
Doctors claim to be mini-pharmacists, pharmacists claim to be mini-doctors. I am not trying to be bias but I think every health-related profession has the right to state their agitation and regulate their field without objections from other health professioners. In as much as you cannot or would not do the job of a pharmacist, nurse, lab scientists etc even if you can, then there is no reason to set limits for them.

Also, lack of courtesy for other health workers by medical doctors is contributing to this brouhaha in our health sector. I have witnessed a scene where the doctor embarrased a nurse so much that I almost confronted him as a patient.

I respect medical practitioners and they are quite indispensable in the health sector. However, they need to understand they can't do the work alone; others are indispensable too.

MrsAwesome:
You sound frustrated. I rather believe a detail history textbooks, documented and proven stories concerning what I am talking about than a trump up half baked stories from a pre-med student.

drlawizle:


Lol...someone with a life cant sound frustrated....only lowlifers like you checking up on "history-books" to bring down other profession so as to boost dr own self esteem are the frustrated ones...keep spreading the lies...those that have eyes can see 2ru your battered self esteem & your effort @ repairing it...

Unfortunately insulting me wont solve d@...once again I say: go and get a life!

Samgreguc:

history can never die.

intergral:
. Yea I know why i use my an*s for reasoning.......... Cos am a slowpoke

intergral:
. Yea I know why i use my an*s for reasoning.......... Cos am a slowpoke

drlawizle:


Lol...someone with a life cant sound frustrated....only lowlifers like you checking up on "history-books" to bring down other profession so as to boost dr own self esteem are the frustrated ones...keep spreading the lies...those that have eyes can see 2ru your battered self esteem & your effort @ repairing it...

Unfortunately insulting me wont solve d@...once again I say: go and get a life!

MrsAwesome:
Lawyers are call learned professionals because they gains bulks of evidence from documented and proven texts etc and whoop asses with it but educated illiterates like you fails to understand the importance that is why you can't present a good debate without reverting to insults because you lack the substance to act and think rationally .
Continue wallowing in self pity and importance if it makes you fell good. No point trading words with you.
Already has a larger than life self esteem that is making you squirm in your sit.