I am ashamed of this country whenever Transformation Ambassador of Nigeria boasted that GEJ had transform our railway system. Can they compare our railway with this?

sann204:
I am ashamed of this country whenever Transformation Ambassador of Nigeria boasted that GEJ had transform our railway system. Can they compare our railway with this?

Stop comparing China with Nigetia. NOT just a global player but the No 1 Economic Player in the World.

Na way ray (wail rail) deh worry out government people.

Another view

lobatan

amAZEing:


Stop comparing China with Nigetia. NOT just a global player but the No 1 Economic Player in the World.

If you have ever been to china you will understand why Nigeria should rather model itself on china

Forget about Britain or Europe we just won't catch those ones

sann204:
I am ashamed of this country whenever Transformation Ambassador of Nigeria boasted that GEJ had transform our railway system. Can they compare our railway with this?

The way some of you think baffles me.
Lets say Jonathan Builds this. Who In Nigeria is going to ride this? Nigerians are already complaining that the lagos to Kano route is too expensive and that one just costs about 2000 naira or 11 dollars. Now you want to build a train like this. Do you know how much it costs to ride this train in china?
Let me enlighten you a little. If you want to take this train from lets say beijing to shanghai the cheapest you pay is $95 dollars. While Business class is nearly 300 dollars.

Again tell me who in Nigeria is going to ride this if it gets built here? or will the Government spend billions to subsidize the train costs for the masses?

Nigeria should not think of such trains until the populace has the spending power to support it.

davitogreat:


The way some of you think baffles me.
Lets say Jonathan Builds this. Who In Nigeria is going to ride this? Nigerians are already complaining that the lagos to Kano route is too expensive and that one just costs about 2000 naira or 11 dollars. Now you want to build a train like this. Do you know how much it costs to ride this train in china?
Let me enlighten you a little. If you want to take this train from lets say beijing to shanghai the cheapest you pay is $95 dollars. While Business class is nearly 300 dollars.

Again tell me who in Nigeria is going to ride this if it gets built here? or will the Government spend billions to subsidize the train costs for the masses?

Government doesn't need to spend billions to build this. They simply need to create an enabling environment that will allow private contractors build this for profit. If there's a market, it has a way of stabilizing itself in the long run. Besides, private contractors understand to plan projects and expect long-term profits. The Lekki-Epe expressway was once a sorry sight. It didn't build itself. But now, with private participation, it's a great convenience for people who live in that axis, in spite of the initial resistance

sauer:


Government doesn't need to spend billions to build this. They simply need to create an enabling environment that will allow private contractors build this for profit. If there's a market, it has a way of stabilizing itself in the long run. Besides, private contractors understand to plan projects and expect long-term profits. The Lekki-Epe expressway was once a sorry sight. It didn't build itself. But now, with private participation, it's a great convenience for people who live in that axis, in spite of the initial resistance

Thats not what we are talking about. We all know that private investors should be the ones to build this. maybe in the future down the line when Nigeria is more developed and stable we will have trains like this but right now we are talking about the present. And in the present there are people like the thread starter criticizing the NRC because they feel the trains they are using does not compare to the ones in more developed nations.

That is what prompted my response.

amAZEing:


Stop comparing China with Nigetia. NOT just a global player but the No 1 Economic Player in the World.

I wonder oo...all this apc members seeking attention

davitogreat:


The way some of you think baffles me.
Lets say Jonathan Builds this. Who In Nigeria is going to ride this? Nigerians are already complaining that the lagos to Kano route is too expensive and that one just costs about 2000 naira or 11 dollars. Now you want to build a train like this. Do you know how much it costs to ride this train in china?
Let me enlighten you a little. If you want to take this train from lets say beijing to shanghai the cheapest you pay is $95 dollars. While Business class is nearly 300 dollars.

Again tell me who in Nigeria is going to ride this if it gets built here? or will the Government spend billions to subsidize the train costs for the masses?




Nigeria should not think of such trains until the populace has the spending power to support it.

You are not making sense,your argument has got nothing to do with world class infrastructure.

olas24u:


You are not making sense,your argument has got nothing to do with world class infrastructure.

What about my comment does not make sense?
Nigeria is a developing country that abandoned her railway for decades due to corruption and military rule. The present government is reviving it. Some people have chosen to criticize it by comparing the current trains to the bullet trains in china. I gave my reply about why their criticisms are foolish.


Or do you believe the present government should have constructed bullet trains? If so How do you think they should have gone about it?

davitogreat:


What about my comment does not make sense?
Nigeria is a developing country that abandoned her railway for decades due to corruption and military rule. The present government is reviving it. Some people have chosen to criticize it by comparing the current trains to the bullet trains in china. I gave my reply about why their criticisms are foolish.


Or do you believe the present government should have constructed bullet trains? If so How do you think they should have gone about it?

You wrote about paying

olas24u:



You wrote about paying

yes paying is a big part of it. After all these trains have to be profitable for it to be maintained.
As i told the thread starter. To ride a bullet train in china minimum payment is 95 dollars while business class is almost 300 dollars. In japan its even more expensive. The average Nigerian cannot afford to ride such trains if it were built here. Look at the Lagos Kano train situation. There are Nigerians complaining that it is too expensive for them and that is with a cost of 2000 naira.

The only way Nigerians will be able to afford to ride the trains will be if the Government subsidies the costs.

here is a link to the costs in china (you just have to make the conversion to dollars $1=6 chinese yuan)
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/beijing-shanghai-highspeed.htm

The High-Speed Electric Multiple Units (EMU) Train, namely the G-trains, travel between Beijing South Railway Station and Shanghai Hongqiao Railway Station, going across Beijing, Tianjin, Shanghai, Hebei, Shandong, Anhui and Jiangsu.

The ticket fare is CNY 1,748 for sightseeing and business seat, CNY933 for first-class seat and CNY553 for second-class seat.

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yes paying is a big part of it. After all these trains have to be profitable for it to be maintained.
As i told the thread starter. To ride a bullet train in china minimum payment is 95 dollars while business class is almost 300 dollars. In japan its even more expensive. The average Nigerian cannot afford to ride such trains if it were built here. Look at the Lagos Kano train situation. There are Nigerians complaining that it is too expensive for them and that is with a cost of 2000 naira.

The only way Nigerians will be able to afford to ride the trains will be if the Government subsidies the costs.

here is a link to the costs in china (you just have to make the conversion to dollars $1=6 chinese yuan)
http://www.travelchinaguide.com/china-trains/beijing-shanghai-highspeed.htm








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Nigeria is a mixed economy and the private sector and the public sector drive the economy ,trains will not be managed and maintained by government but a private enterprise through agreements,Nigerians were able to choose between Nitel,mtn,glo and many more.so same thing will apply to trains ,so stop writing that Nigerians will not be able to pay.

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Please tell me which company is going to want to invest in building such trains in Nigeria? Nigerians do not have the spending power to support such a venture. Remember the private sector does not invest for investing sake. They look at costs of production and they look at their potential return on investment. I can tell you right now that any company that invests in establishing a bullet train in Nigeria will undoubtedly go bankrupt.

Also this is not the same an MTN or GLo so your comparison does not make sense at all. This is a lot more complex.

For Nigeria to have bullet trains, the Nigerian government has to first privatize the NRC, next we have to get electricity working then we need to increase the spending power of Nigerians by alot. After all that we have to set in place incentives to encourage private companies to establish such a train here. Though I will tell you all of these will take at least a decade to establish, and by that time more advanced trains would be in the market.

Then show me the one built by ibb, abacha, shagari, buhari, obj, if u are not satisfied with gej trains....nitzche don talk am ..u first learn to crawl, before u start to walk

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olas24u:



You wrote about paying

u dont even have class enof to argue.

Lobatan and you say Nigeria has the largest economy in Africa ? I don't believe but it's a bit of transformation because you don't have that type although i haven't seen that bit of transformation @ AGEGE and AGBADO crossing








But @op you are wicked ooo do you still want Nigeria to be in a total mess of debts projecting that kind of railway lines and trains across Nigeria when our Naira has been depreciated

Ezemust:
u dont even have class enof to argue.

What has class got to do with making an argument,Nigerians will be able to afford paying for a train .periodride

Honestly speaking. I think its a good investment. We should be talking long distance as in inter region not state.

I believe when it begins and shows efficiency and class that people will regulate their pockets to fit. After all before we could afford gsm at expensive costs then.

The peeps complaining of lag kano route I spoke with someone who tried it and I could understand why they complained.

Poor toilet facilities
Breakdown
Duration of journey ( more than 36 hrs)

This is so amazing, so beautiful!

But I don't like China. Their girls are quite ugly

it is much more shameful and disturbing when you consider teh fact that it is CHINA that is building our railway lines with the loan we secured from them

CCECC is a an chinese government company

You do not build bullet trains without privatising your power supply and getting steady power supply. You do not move heavy duty goods like fuel and cement on bullet trains. You move them on diesel driven trains. Bullet trains are powered by electricity. It is designed for commuters. The Federal government is in the right direction.

davitogreat:


The way some of you think baffles me.
Lets say Jonathan Builds this. Who In Nigeria is going to ride this? Nigerians are already complaining that the lagos to Kano route is too expensive and that one just costs about 2000 naira or 11 dollars. Now you want to build a train like this. Do you know how much it costs to ride this train in china?
Let me enlighten you a little. If you want to take this train from lets say beijing to shanghai the cheapest you pay is $95 dollars. While Business class is nearly 300 dollars.

Again tell me who in Nigeria is going to ride this if it gets built here? or will the Government spend billions to subsidize the train costs for the masses?

Nigeria should not think of such trains until the populace has the spending power to support it.

then dey should come up with progressive policies dat wil improve d economy so dat Nigerians can afford it. D money dey steal is enough to carry out most of dis beautiful projects..nd we r here making excuses for dis people dat dnt even v d interest of d electorate at heart.

espn:
then dey should come up with progressive policies dat wil improve d economy so dat Nigerians can afford it. D money dey steal is enough to carry out most of dis beautiful projects..nd we r here making excuses for dis people dat dnt even v d interest of d electorate at heart.

I really want to face palm now... Do you know how much it costs to build a bullet train? Do you know how much Nigeria's budget is? Even without corruption Nigeria CANNOT afford to build one.

Let me give u an example. Here is a piece from LA weekly about the cost to build a bullet train from Los Angees to Sanfransisco.

http://www.laweekly.com/2011-11-24/news/100-billion-bullet-train/

How much does it cost to go from Los Angeles to San Francisco by train?

Nearly $100 billion.

It's not a punch line. It's the sticker-shock price tag from the California High-Speed Rail Authority to build a bullet train that engineering and transportations experts now say probably will not reach speeds of 150 or 200 mph, offering instead a not-that-fast rail route between L.A. and the Bay Area, whose cost will be paid by Californians for decades.

Its so expensive that americans are fighting against it

Schweitzer's graduate class at USC's School of Policy, Planning and Development later completed an independent estimate, coming up with a figure of $90 billion to $105 billion, which closely aligns with the figure the authority released Nov. 1.

She describes the California High-Speed Rail Authority board as playing the ultimate political game with other people's money:

So now if the Americans with all their wealth are fighting against it why do starving Nigerians want one built?

Nigeria must focus on rehabilitating her old rail tracks and building STANDARD GAUGE rail lines which are cheaper and possess the ability to transport goods and services. (something bullet trains cannot do)
Bullet trains should not even be in the conversation. It is a waste of money and will not benefit the average Nigerian.

davitogreat:


The way some of you think baffles me.
Lets say Jonathan Builds this. Who In Nigeria is going to ride this? Nigerians are already complaining that the lagos to Kano route is too expensive and that one just costs about 2000 naira or 11 dollars. Now you want to build a train like this. Do you know how much it costs to ride this train in china?
Let me enlighten you a little. If you want to take this train from lets say beijing to shanghai the cheapest you pay is $95 dollars. While Business class is nearly 300 dollars.

Again tell me who in Nigeria is going to ride this if it gets built here? or will the Government spend billions to subsidize the train costs for the masses?

Nigeria should not think of such trains until the populace has the spending power to support it.

Bros, people pay for more than that for a local flight around this country, so your arguments doesnt hold water at all. Its human nature, people will always pay for what makes their life easy and convenient.

viczing:


I wonder oo...all this apc members seeking attention

This has always been my problem with some of you people. Your utterances lack common sense. Anyone who criticises the president must either be an APC member or an "Aboki".

Smh.

JAZES:


Bros, people pay for more than that for a local flight around this country, so your arguments doesnt hold water at all. Its human nature, people will always pay for what makes their life easy and convenient.

show me One nation this world that has a bullet train without regular narrow gauge or standard gauge rail lines?

I will save your time... There is None.


Bullet Trains are Grossly expensive to build, they dont carry raw goods and materials, and in many cases they become unprofitable and a drain to the society.
Plus your comment about Nigerians being able to afford it is laughable. If Americans themselves feel that Americans wont be able to afford one if built what makes the Nigerian populace viable for such a project?
Unless all the cries I keep hearing about Nigerians suffering are all lies, and In fact Nigerians are actually very rich.

http://www.railroad.net/articles/topics/pros-and-cons-of-high-speed-rail.php

Detractors, however, say that the high speed rail program will just eat the budget and reap no real rewards. They argue that, especially in America, very few people will take the trains, opting instead for the freedom offered by personal automobiles. Some also claim the prices for high speed rail tickets might be too expensive for many people to take the trains regularly. This lack of riders will render the supposed benefits of the high speed rail network moot.

davitogreat:




I really want to face palm now... Do you know how much it costs to build a bullet train? Do you know how much Nigeria's budget is? Even without corruption Nigeria CANNOT afford to build one.

Let me give u an example. Here is a piece from LA weekly about the cost to build a bullet train from Los Angees to Sanfransisco.

http://www.laweekly.com/2011-11-24/news/100-billion-bullet-train/



Its so expensive that americans are fighting against it



So now if the Americans with all their wealth are fighting against it why do starving Nigerians want one built?

Nigeria must focus on rehabilitating her old rail tracks and building STANDARD GAUGE rail lines which are cheaper and possess the ability to transport goods and services. (something bullet trains cannot do)
Bullet trains should not even be in the conversation. It is a waste of money and will not benefit the average Nigerian.

this is what I call destroying ignorance and fiction with cold hard facts..bless you