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chelsea wingers need deliverance. i can bet valencia & young also have a higher score than willian & schurrle.

' I will go to the referee [Taylor] in 15 minutes just to wish him a good year and to tell him that he will be ashamed when he sees it on television.”

...... Mourinho

LMAO I LOVE THIS OUR COACH ENH

chelseabmw:
' I will go to the referee [Taylor] in 15 minutes just to wish him a good year and to tell him that he will be ashamed when he sees it on television.”

...... Mourinho

Ibime:
It was not a game for Schurrle. Southampton parked the bus. There was nothing to stretch.
Schurrle comes into his own when you are a goal up, or when you are playing a better team and sitting in your own half. He holds his own defensively, and he runs from your half to the opposition box in 2 seconds and scores. He did it against PSG, he did it for Germany in the World Cup when they were ahead, and he broke the World Cup with his counterattacking. He is in the top10 of goals-per-minute in Premier League history.
Willian you play when you want to keep possession and still be solid defensively.
There is no fundamental disadvantage in Chelsea's wing play.
I would replace them with a ninja like Sanchez, but there's no fundamental weakness with them. The no of wingers on the market who would upgrade the team by replacing Schurrle and Willian can be counted on one hand.
Not to mention ninjas like Traore, Thorgan and Piazon. We get them boku. Wing play is not a need, it's a want.
That said, I would take Sanchez and Sterling if they are available, but there is no fundamental error in not replacing them.

I spell out their weaknesses, you claim I am wrong and present a counter-argument that does nothing but supports my own argument.

You accept that Andre is not a possession player. Well we play possession based football against 90% of the PL. This invariably means that Schurrle is not fit for that many games. So what is the point that I don't get?

I don't want to go back to last season to remember how Andre influenced play. I want to see it now.

What do you mean by there was nothing to stretch? When did they ever stretch anything? Never!

You should be lucky we have Hazard , a player you claim we will win the league without.

There are many times in the course of a season when strikers can look jaded. See Costa despite his brilliant start. You want your wide players to come in contribute with good numbers. This is what Hazard does.

Look at the screenshot below and tell me how we can ever win the league with Andre's and Willian's combined assist rate of 1 in combined playing time of over 1500 minutes. Or tell me how we win the league with both dudes with a combined goal output of 3 in as many minutes.

1 assist halfway through the season from both players. That is a big shame. The reason you think wingers are not prority is because of Hazard's numbers from the wing. If Hazard gets injured for a lengthy period, we are not winning the league. ,

chelseabmw:
I just observed something today

Fillipe Luiz = Waste of money

Took you long enough

In Burnley we trust!

That wasn't a bad performance. You don't really have to blame Chelsea for having just a shot on target, Keoman and his men were out to defend in numbers.

In a way we've kind of garnered the reputation that has been bestowed upon Manyoo's Ashley Young - divers!!!

Even when it's expected of the refs to make the right call, they mistake it for simulation, it's a shame.

Spuds next, I pray they get to come out and play.

C'mon Chels!

E.P.L is just superb.....I predicted atleast 4 nil in favour of city today....and I left the gameshow when they were leading 2 nil.....only to check the scores on my phone and saw 2-2....mehn I couldn't believe it...

For those saying Chelsea wing pair are bad

Can you name the Chelsea wingers and the ones that are better than them?

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Willian has 1 assist in 18 Premier League games. My God

Keky:
Willian has 1 assist in 18 Premier League games. My God

schurrle's stats isn't much better

coogar:
schurrle's stats isn't much better

Erm. in how many starts? he plays bit part roles in the games. 5 mins there, 10 minis here, he doesn't get enough chances

lalaboi:
Erm. in how many starts? he plays bit part roles in the games. 5 mins there, 10 minis here, he doesn't get enough chances

0 assist?

Niggas know not to call Schurrles name if we talking stats. That's why I no bother to answer Nateevs.

For example, Schurrle scored 9 goals last season playing less than half the minutes. Thís season, 3 goals in 500 odd minutes - which is a goal every 2 games.

Schurrle scores 15 goals and more standardly every season in his career when starting.

If Hazard injure today, he will score 10 goals before the season is up.


Player. mins/Goals

Aguero. 113.00. (best in Premierleague history)

AndreSchürrle. 126.33
SamuelEto'o. 183.5
EdenHazard. 197.50
FernandoTorres. 278.75
FrankLampard. 279.20
Oscar. 287.5
DembaBa. 320.00
Willian. 603.50


If you take out penalties, Schurrle would even jump above Aguero and double Hazards goal output per minute. Who does Nateevs think he is deceiving jumbling stats together?

Ibime:
Niggas know not to call Schurrles name if we talking stats. That's why I no bother to answer Nateevs.

For example, Schurrle scored 9 goals last season playing only half the minutes. Thís season, 3 goals in 500 odd minutes - which is a goal every 2 games.

Schurrle scores 15 goals and more standardly every season in his career when starting.

If Hazard injure today, he will score 10 goals before the season is up.


Player. mins/Goals

Aguero. 113.00. (best in Premierleague history)

AndreSchürrle. 126.33
SamuelEto'o. 183.5
EdenHazard. 197.50
FernandoTorres. 278.75
FrankLampard. 279.20
Oscar. 287.5
DembaBa. 320.00
Willian. 603.50


Who does Nateevs think he is deceiving jumbling stats together?

ibime, are you an idïot?
schurrle has 2 league goals in 421 league minutes - how does that translate to 126 min/goal?

coogar:
ibime, are you an idïot?
schurrle has 2 league goals in 421 league minutes - how does that translate to 126 min/goal?

If you see Demba Ba and Torres in the list, use your head. That is last season's stats.

Ibime:
If you see Demba Ba and Torres in the list, use your head. That is last season's stats.

who know for you?
you coulda made up those fake stats to prove a hopeless point. schurrle is hopeless - a waste of space. he's not made for this league & not in mata's class.

Ibime:
I posted you last season's stats.

8 league goals in 1328 mins is 126.33 min/goal?

you should be shot for lying on a public forum.

coogar:
8 league goals in 1328 mins is 126.33 min/goal?

you should be shot for lying on a public forum.

I'm giving you the stats as per season to March 2014. Ain't got time to get technical with you. Even with those numbers you quoted, that's a goal every 166 minutes, better than Hazard even without penalties. You get the gist, no ninja should bring in numbers into Schurrle yarns.

Ibime:
I'm giving you the stats as per season to March 2014. Ain't got time to get technical with you. Even with those numbers you quoted, that's a goal every 166 minutes, better than Hazard even without penalties. You get the gist, no ninja should bring in numbers into Schurrle yarns.

you must be very silly!
what's the meaning of stats per season to march 2014? does the season start or end in march 2014?

hazard assists or scores - assist counts too - something schurrle seems to struggle with. schurrle is the most hopeless winger in the league & i am talking numbers.

coogar:
you must be very silly!
what's the meaning of stats per season to march 2014? does the season start or end in march 2014?

hazard assists or scores - assist counts too - something schurrle seems to struggle with. schurrle is the most hopeless winger in the league & i am talking numbers.

Give to one of your stats apps and fetch us Hazard and Schurrles goals and assists and total minutes last season make we calculate am. Remember to minus Hazards penalties.

Without even calculating, I can tell you there's nothing between em, and not surprised if Schurrle is ahead sef.

Ibime:
Give to one of your stats apps and fetch us Hazard and Schurrles goals and assists and total minutes last season make we calculate am. Remember to minus Hazards penalties.

Without even calculating, I can tell you there's nothing between em, and not surprised if Schurrle is ahead sef.

i dunno how many penalties hazard has scored but he had plenty of assists last season. from
last season till date......

schurrle has 10 goals/2 assists in 1750 mins

hazard has 21 goals/15 assists in 4556 mins

get your calculator & see for yourself.

chelseabmw:
I just observed something today

Fillipe Luiz = Waste of money

Then send him back to Atletico Madrid! It seem he is not suited the the physicality of the EPL.

Ibime:
Give to one of your stats apps and fetch us Hazard and Schurrles goals and assists and total minutes last season make we calculate am. Remember to minus Hazards penalties.

Without even calculating, I can tell you there's nothing between em, and not surprised if Schurrle is ahead sef.

So this means what? Schurrle is better than Hazard? I won't even go into that.

Ninjahs be trying to make seem like Andre is unfortunate. If he is given minutes he will blah blah, if he is given minutes he will build a castle.

So he is given minutes like today, he is soo atrocious, JM takes him out after 45mins. If JM takes you out after 45, it's because you are very poor. This is Southampton, not City or United. If you are not showing your metal against Southampton, when is it going to happen for you?

Everyone accepts that everytime Andre is given an opportunity, he never shows what he is made of. Yet ninjahs continue to say if he is given minutes in the side, he will be better than Hazard.

So can the Andre fans tell us how we solve this problem?

EPL stats 2013/14 till date:



Hazard: 4569 mins, 21 goals, 11 assists minus 6 penalties

Mins per goal scored or created = 175.73


Schurrle: 1746 mins, 10 goals, 2 assists

Mins per goal scored or created = 145.50


Like I said, don't talk numbers if you trying to downplay Schurrle.

schurrle is a poor man's stewart downing.

Ibime:
EPL stats 2013/14 till date:
Hazard: 4569 mins, 21 goals, 11 assists minus 6 penalties
Mins per goal scored or created = 175.73
Schurrle: 1746 mins, 10 goals, 2 assists
Mins per goal scored or created = 145.50
Like I said, don't talk numbers if you trying to downplay Schurrle.

ibime, stop pulling stats from your arsē - hazard doesn't have 4569 mins from 13/14 till date and i dunno why we are even adding last season's stats to mitigate for his extremely poor performance.

is schurrle good or not?

nateevs:
So this means what? Schurrle is better than Hazard? I won't even go into that.

Ninjahs be trying to make seem like Andre is unfortunate. If he is given minutes he will blah blah, if he is given minutes he will build a castle.

So he is given minutes like today, he is soo atrocious, JM takes him out after 45mins. If JM takes you out after 45, it's because you are very poor. This is Southampton, not City or United. If you are not showing your metal against Southampton, when is it going to happen for you?

Everyone accepts that everytime Andre is given an opportunity, he never shows what he is made of. Yet ninjahs continue to say if he is given minutes in the side, he will be better than Hazard.

So can the Andre fans tell us how we solve this problem?

Stop being facetious. You were the one pulling numbers to tell us Schurrle and Willian have only contributed şuch and şuch number of goals and assists. I told you not to try using numbers on Schurrle cos if you do, you'll find his numbers are outstanding. That's all this is. No be me go squawka go dey pull nonsense stats to use against Schurrle. We are not illiterates here.

coogar:
schurrle is a poor man's stewart downing.



ibime, stop pulling stats from your arsē - hazard doesn't have 4569 mins from 13/14 till date and i dunno why we are even adding last season's stats to mitigate for his extremely poor performance.

is schurrle good or not?

Go to whoscored.com, pull the numbers and get back to us. Your stats said 4556, mine said 4569, a difference of 13 mins. How much difference does that make to his average - a hundredth decimal.

nateevs:
This is Southampton, not City or United. If you are not showing your metal against Southampton, when is it going to happen for you?

The irony of this statement when Schurrle is the one who scored against City.

Like we said earlier, Schurrles game is suited to the big teams cos he's all about the counterattack.

Ibime:
The irony of this statement when Schurrle is the one who scored against City.

Like we said earlier, Schurrles game is suited to the big teams cos he's all about the counterattack.

I am confused. In one argument, Andre is only suited to big games. Earlier on, the argument was that Andre is not suited to possession football. I reminded you that over 90% of our games will be possession football. You don't disagree. Yet mysteriously enough, you think Andre will score 10 goals if Hazard is injured. How is he going to do that when you accept he is only suited to big teams? City, United are the two teams we will probably park the bus against. Schurrle will magically find 10 goals. See logic.



Secondly, why are you creating a situation that makes it look as though Hazard is in Schurrle's way? Rhe right side is up for grabs because Willian is only marginally better. Andre gets opportunities to nail down a spot by scoring the 10 goals you claim he will. He doesn't. He hasn't. He keeps getting subbed for Willian. Somehow though, when Hazard is injured, Andre will score 10 goals. Why he is not doing it now?

Thirdly, you are making a fundamental error. The Football of last season was totally different from we play now. You realise and you are being disingenuous with your analysis. Andre's numbers from last season are meaningless. What matters is this season. And he is not good enough. Willian has 1 goal and only 1 assist all season long in the PL, Andre can't do 5h1t about it yet we are supposed to believe he will somehow become brilliant overnight.

Lastly, Andre has 0 assists in 438 minutes. How can he possibly have better numbers than Hazard mathematically or otherwise?

nateevs:
I am confused. In one argument, Andre is only suited to big games. Earlier on, the argument was that Andre is not suited to possession football. I reminded you that over 90% of our games will be possession football. You don't disagree. Yet mysteriously enough, you think Andre will score 10 goals if Hazard is injured. How is he going to do that when you accept he is only suited to big teams? City, United are the two teams we will probably park the bus against. Schurrle will magically find 10 goals. See logic.



Secondly, why are you creating a situation that makes it look as though Hazard is in Schurrle's way? Rhe right side is up for grabs because Willian is only marginally better. Andre gets opportunities to nail down a spot by scoring the 10 goals you claim he will. He doesn't. He hasn't. He keeps getting subbed for Willian. Somehow though, when Hazard is injured, Andre will score 10 goals. Why he is not doing it now?

Thirdly, you are making a fundamental error. The Football of last season was totally different from we play now. You realise and you are being disingenuous with your analysis. Andre's numbers from last season are meaningless. What matters is this season. And he is not good enough. Willian has 1 goal and only 1 assist all season long in the PL, Andre can't do 5h1t about it yet we are supposed to believe he will somehow become brilliant overnight.

Lastly, Andre has 0 assists in 438 minutes. How can he possibly have better numbers than Hazard mathematically or otherwise?

Leave this long yarns. I don't want you to start putting words in my mouth or drift the conversation away from your initial argument.

I only stepped in when you made the ludicrous statement that "going into the season with our wingers was the fundamental error of the season". A statement which qualifies you for Yaba left.

When asked which team has better wingers, you started mentioning Townsend and Downing - a winger who went a full season for Liverpool with zero goals and zero assists. I think you must have drunk too much sherry this Christmas.

You are still to tell us which team have better wingers. I would like to check their position on the table. If I ask you to give me Milner or Navas stats this season or last, you will be counting on one hand, yet think that Schurrle or Willian are fundamental problems.

In past seasons, when I've said a fundamental error is going into a season with Mikel/Ramires/Torres as first choice, you see Chelsea struggling to qualify for Europe whilst Nateevs thinks MaZaCar can win the league.

When Nateevs says not signing wingers is a "fundamental error", you see Chelsea sitting ontop the league.

Failed Emenalo philosophies on repeat.