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RAO1:
in fact! I was disappointed...commending or condemning issues must be substantiated... the op has posted what he heard for ppl to have their say... but unfortunately ppl's disputed this perhaps they have issues with some sects/inter-denominations in Islam. .this is a platform to educate ppl n be educated by ppl... I don't like posting on here cause of arguments might emerge hence hatred for "my Omo ì ya" .....this is the environment we meet ourselves, where we say "a ku odun o,a ku jimo o, Ati beebe lo... all this do not Make one non Muslim anymore...
assalam alaykum wa rahamotu lilahi'

busar:
Ignorance is indeed a disease. The op brought evidences to support his stand, why can't guys bring yours Instead of calling it trash?

Ayesha01ad:
What of the hadith that states there are some things in between that only few prople know and that this doubtful things should be stayed away from. We need to stop trying to make everything suit our preferences.

AlBaqir:
Imam al-Shafi'i writes:
"Anything that has a foundation in religious law is not an innovation even if the Companions did not do it, because their refraining from doing it might have been for a certain excuse they had at the time, or they left it for something better, or perhaps not all of them knew about it."

Its like I missed the OP's "jaw-breaking evidence" and probably you understand it better. Kindly re-present Mr busar.

Saying "Jumu'a Mubarak" is Bid'ah?! Just because there is no textual documentation to prove that the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with the righteous among them) did it! Are you kidding me?

* Is Yaomul Jumu'a (Friday) not a day of Barakah (blessing)?

Wait a minute! Show us a single textual document (da'if or mawdoo) that the holy Prophet EVER say "RadiAllahu anhum" after the mention of any sahaba as muslims do today? He never practiced it, he never command or recommended it and likewise sahaba themselves never practice it. This is despite the fact that the phrase is revealed in several places in the holy Quran.
We only infer through our aql (intellect) that such practice is a commendable practice

* I believe you use spoon and fork to eat at home! In your weird bid'ah establishment, there is eating ettiquetes in books of ahadith, is there any textual documentation that Prophet and his companions ever used spoon, fork et al to eat?
One of your modern salafi scholar, 'Ali Jabata (in Ilorin) has declared spoon, fork et al bid'ah and haram. I hope you follow suit.

* I hope you are a Nigerian and probably a Yoruba man. And often time, you greet your parents and elders "Ekaaro, Eku ojometa, Ekaale et al". Or at work where you greet your boss and colleagues "Good morning, Have a goodday, good night et al"
Are all these "Sunnah" practice by the Prophet perhaps in Arabic-cultural equivalent?
In fact the instruction in the Qur'an is if you were greeted, reply with a better greetings or at least the exact greetings.

[size=28pt]There are more important and disturbing concerns and issues among muslims than this petty issue.[/size]

AlBaqir:
So is greeting each other "Jumu'a Mubarak (a blessed friday)" part of those "doubtful things?

Should you have doubt, the instruction from the Qur'an is: 'Ask those who know if you know not'.

busar:
What are the bigger issues?

busar:
What is more worse than innovation in the deen?

Ayesha01ad:
He must have said this because statues are Haram in Islam, you people should not just start calling people names, this is not what Islam teaches. If it was nonsense do you think someone would ask? The person asked the sheik cos he knows there must be something with regards to it

Empiree:
Thanks. But for record, if a muslim asked such question, such a "muslim" must be dump. It's a common knowledge statue is haram. Even baby knows that.

Empiree:
Thanks. But for record, if a muslim asked such question, such a "muslim" must be dump. It's a common knowledge statue is haram. Even baby knows that.

AlBaqir:
Haven't you read several times in Sahih al-Bukhari and Muslim how 'Aisha used to play with dolls of different makes when she was still young in the house of the Prophet. And ahadith said even the Prophet used to play along with 'Aisha and her friends. Absolutely, "you" see nothing wrong in this because it was 'Aisha, and the Shaikhain (Bukhari and Muslim) recorded it.

Please tell me how exactly is statue became Haram? Before the advent of Islam, the mushrikun (polytheist) used to make statue of different shape and sizes and depict them as their gods. The offer sacrifices and worship for these statues.

Qur'an made us to believe their intellect is sick for calling upon inanimate object which they carved with their own hands, beside Allah. And that is Shirk.

So if I take my daughter to the museum and I showed her the statue of say Nigerian Leaders or the depict of Nigeria-slavery era, for the purpose of education and remembrance; that is Shirk and Haram! Right?!

In medicine, statues of human skeletal system and anatomy has made medical studies of different specialities more elaborate, easier and understandable. Yet all these Bid'ah, shirk, haram-plagued Ulama continue to benefit from modern medicine. Are you still telling me statue is Haram?!

AlBaqir:
@Ayesha01ad,
All your submissions are conjectures. No certainty! Today innocent young muslims feared their faith more as a result of the so-called takfiri (disbelief)fatwa rulings on virtually everything. Islam is being portray as a bogey religion. Fatwa this fatwa that! People are innocently disturbed to ask anything lest the sledge hammer of kufr pounce on them.

Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia because of an alien Fatwa with a bogey and weird "scientific backing" of a "sheik" that any woman who drive is liable to one stupid cancer. Is that Islam?!

Picture - Haram!

Statue - Haram!

Using spoon and fork - Haram!

Trousers for women despite putting on Jilbab - haram!

Use of counting bead (tasbih) - Haram!

The list goes on.

There is nothing in Islam scholars do not have disagreement on. But rather than treating issues intellectually and harmoniously, kufr is being declare at will on whoever go against or have contrary opinion. Young Muslims are not allowed to think and use their aql (intellect) any longer because fear has been instill in them deceptively or ignorantly and fanatically in the name of "kitab wa Sunnah".

The way Islam is being presented to the world by our so-called Ulama make people develop phobia for it. Islam is a simple religion that fit perfectly into human nature.

Ayesha01ad:
Maybe in your own world everyone knows everything, he did not know and he asked, i see nothing wrong in that, as long as it doesnt affect anyone in a bad way, there's nothing wrong in asking what you do not know, was there ice in saudi Arabia when the prophet was alive, no, so there's nothing wrong in asking the knowledgeable ppl. Maybe the person who asked just converted, no one knows, we should not be swift at blaming others and not everyone is like us And some people will go to the extent of insulting the Ulamas, it's just not right, if you dont like their rulings do away with it, dont insult them.

AlBaqir:
@Ayesha01ad,
All your submissions are conjectures. No certainty! Today innocent young muslims feared their faith more as a result of the so-called takfiri (disbelief)fatwa rulings on virtually everything. Islam is being portray as a bogey religion. Fatwa this fatwa that! People are innocently disturbed to ask anything lest the sledge hammer of kufr pounce on them.

Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia because of an alien Fatwa with a bogey and weird "scientific backing" of a "sheik" that any woman who drive is liable to one stupid cancer. Is that Islam?!

Picture - Haram!

Statue - Haram!

Using spoon and fork - Haram!

Trousers for women despite putting on Jilbab - haram!

Use of counting bead (tasbih) - Haram!

The list goes on.

There is nothing in Islam scholars do not have disagreement on. But rather than treating issues intellectually and harmoniously, kufr is being declare at will on whoever go against or have contrary opinion. Young Muslims are not allowed to think and use their aql (intellect) any longer because fear has been instill in them deceptively or ignorantly and fanatically in the name of "kitab wa Sunnah".

The way Islam is being presented to the world by our so-called Ulama make people develop phobia for it. Islam is a simple religion that fit perfectly into human nature.

Ayesha01ad:
Do you know the type of doll Aisha(ra) used, maybe it was defaced, and for every action there's an intention, if you think it's not haram, good for you, and if u think it is, good for you.

Ayesha01ad:
But the point is if we don't like their rulings it's left for us to leave it but we shouldnt call them names.

AlBaqir:
That underlined word ^ sinks your excuses sister. I don't follow conjectures. Do you even know ONLY by way of Allah's and Prophet's legislation can something be declare HARAM?! So a scholar from no where can't tell me this and that is Haram while Allah and His Prophet never declare it haram. Anything not legislated as Haram in the Qur'an or by the Prophet is forgivable for Allah and His Prophet do not forget.{Hadith says}


What "name calling" you keep on repeating for Allah's sake?! Rather than pointing accusing finger to those who has made everything kufr and bid'ah and never hesitate to label other muslim kafir and ahlu Bid'ah, here you are accusing.

If calling them Salafi, takfir or bogey scholar is what you are referring to, just as you advice above, like it or leave it.

Wa salam alaykum.

Empiree:
I think you are the one taking this too serious. No one is insulting ulama here. No such intention. Please let's common sense prevail on this non-issues. The fatwa in the link was removed right away. They probably noticed it makes no sense. Dont pretend there isnt growing concern about lopesided fatwas in recent time. Some ulama dont even see the need for unneccesary fatwa on non-issues while there are very important things bothering muslims that they need to speak on instead of snowomen. So no one is insulting anyone.

And it also doesnt make sense to even think of posting "juma'ah mubarak" is bid'ah. You people need to grow up. These are non-issues. Stop pretendng they are. If greeting "Juma'h mubarak is bida'h, is it allowed then to greet one another "Hi", "Hello" on Friday?. Pls, let's reasonable. Thanks.

Ayesha01ad:
If you can check some ppl's post u see one person calling them 'mofos' and saying all these is trash.

Empiree:
I must have missed that. Whoever said that was inappropriate.

Ayesha01ad:
If you can check some ppl's post u see one person calling them 'mofos' and saying all these is trash. We all need to grow up you know, including you, maasalam. My pleasure.

busar:
Don't waste your time with these 'people', they will never agree with you except Allah wills. Shi'tes/raafidats don't believe in ahadiths, they detest the sahabah, scholars and those upon the Sunnah and the righteous predecessors(salafus saalih).

AlBaqir:
May Allah forgive you, and free your imprisoned intellect and mind from poisonous, hatred, and ignorant accusations.
"Call unto the way of your Lord with wisdom, and good manners; and argue with them in a best way..." ~al-Qur'an al-Kareem.

dejt4u:
dont mind that trash the OP posted.. How are they sure that the prophet nd sahabas didnt do anything of such during their time?
Of what harm is the greeting to muslim umma and humanity?

Among the source of sharia is Qiyas.. Which is 'analogical deduction'!

Do not be misled..There is no harm whatsoever in wishing your muslim brothers nd sisters a happy jumat!
May Allah forgive us all of our shortcomings.
Jumat Mubaraq

Empiree:
In telling you man... such ideology is very sickening. It's called "protestant Islam". Which means literal interpretation of text. Such approach to Islam blinds heart.

Same thing they did about tesbih (tesuba). At the time of rosul(saw), he would use his fingers to do dhikr. This "rigid-textual ideology" condemned tesbih for counts just because it was not used back then according to them. Very sick.

dejt4u:
Op.. Dont you get it.. What you wrote up there is against normal human reasoning.. So I call it trash once again!

Note that: simply because some mofos tells you that it is right doesnt make it right.. Example is that of bokoharam and ISIS that are misleading hundreds of muslim around the world..

Do not be misled by what you heard alone, do critical thinking as well and extract the factual facts thereafter!

Jummah mubaraq!

AlBaqir:
Imam al-Shafi'i writes:
"Anything that has a foundation in religious law is not an innovation even if the Companions did not do it, because their refraining from doing it might have been for a certain excuse they had at the time, or they left it for something better, or perhaps not all of them knew about it."

Its like I missed the OP's "jaw-breaking evidence" and probably you understand it better. Kindly re-present Mr busar.

Saying "Jumu'a Mubarak" is Bid'ah?! Just because there is no textual documentation to prove that the holy Prophet (peace be upon him and his household) and his companions (may Allah be pleased with the righteous among them) did it! Are you kidding me?

* Is Yaomul Jumu'a (Friday) not a day of Barakah (blessing)?

Wait a minute! Show us a single textual document (da'if or mawdoo) that the holy Prophet EVER say "RadiAllahu anhum" after the mention of any sahaba as muslims do today? He never practiced it, he never command or recommended it and likewise sahaba themselves never practice it. This is despite the fact that the phrase is revealed in several places in the holy Quran.
We only infer through our aql (intellect) that such practice is a commendable practice

* I believe you use spoon and fork to eat at home! In your weird bid'ah establishment, there is eating ettiquetes in books of ahadith, is there any textual documentation that Prophet and his companions ever used spoon, fork et al to eat?
One of your modern salafi scholar, 'Ali Jabata (in Ilorin) has declared spoon, fork et al bid'ah and haram. I hope you follow suit.

* I hope you are a Nigerian and probably a Yoruba man. And often time, you greet your parents and elders "Ekaaro, Eku ojometa, Ekaale et al". Or at work where you greet your boss and colleagues "Good morning, Have a goodday, good night et al"
Are all these "Sunnah" practice by the Prophet perhaps in Arabic-cultural equivalent?
In fact the instruction in the Qur'an is if you were greeted, reply with a better greetings or at least the exact greetings.

[size=28pt]There are more important and disturbing concerns and issues among muslims than this petty issue.[/size]

dejt4u:
You post here is meant for you. You are not so different from Shekau and his boys that just bring up one nonsense and take it hook line and sinker. I am disappointed.

lanrexlan:
The thing tire me my brother.I was just watching the other time, that a guy named AlaniKb was telling you to give him proofs for the word 'Holy' at the end of the name of the Prophet(Peace be upon him and his household) from predecessors.I was like 'Seriously, what's this'?

What's going on self?

Same to you my brother, Jummuah Mubarak