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Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Kennywills7(m): 3:45am On Feb 12, 2015
I wil say it boldly dat gej has been ill advice on some national issues and i felt equally disappointed at some, but dat doesn't warrant him been made to look like a fool to d outside world even when d true picture is different!
Insulting ur president won't do u any good brother neither will it add value to ur life in any form! criticize without insulting anyone and also provide solutions too because whether u like it or not dis problems are affecting everyone!
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by theV0ice: 4:42am On Feb 12, 2015
ellechrystal:
She isn't God, n she doesn't know it all.
At this point in time we do not need such long articles, we need something more.
Though some things she said r true, but some were just irrelevant.
Sure she isn't God. She only expressed her candid opinion and we all are allowed to have ours.

She's a writer and articles are her way of expressing herself.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by ellechrystal(f): 6:34am On Feb 12, 2015
theV0ice:
Sure she isn't God. She only expressed her candid opinion and we all are allowed to have ours.

She's a writer and articles are her way of expressing herself.
Oh reallyhuh So now she is expressing her candid opinion, but if someone on nairaland expresses theirs, some fans curse them out, smh. I wish u all could say this on every comment,.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by theV0ice: 6:55am On Feb 12, 2015
ellechrystal:
Oh reallyhuh So now she is expressing her candid opinion, but if someone on nairaland expresses theirs, some fans curse them out, smh. I wish u all could say this on every comment,.
of course she's expressing herself. is that too difficult to decipher?

both sides insult and swear at each other on NL so it'll be nice if you'll get off the moral high ground
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by ellechrystal(f): 7:08am On Feb 12, 2015
theV0ice:
of course she's expressing herself. is that too difficult to decipher?

both sides insult and swear at each other on NL so it'll be nice if you'll get off the moral high ground
Hey, don't even start, n don't let me start we with u, am not some girl u think u can insult, n it's to early if u don't mind. Wen I quoted u, I made sure I didn't insult u so b polite n mannered enough to do same.
I can give insults as well, but please don't try it with me. Thanks, u should b d one to get off d moral ground.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by theV0ice: 7:09am On Feb 12, 2015
ellechrystal:
Hey, don't even start, n don't let me start we with u, am not some girl u think u can insult, n it's to early if u don't mind. Wen I quoted u, I made sure I didn't insult u so b polite n mannered enough to do same.
I can give insults as well, but please don't try it with me. Thanks, u should b d one to get off d moral ground.
can you point out one insult contained in my post?
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by focus7:
I don't know what to say to you, but it is not defence it is defend. What do you think bind us together, your oil? I don't benefit from your oil, and there are counties without oil that still remains together, as a matter of fact I think your oil is even causing more problem for us than good. As for your claim, the reason for Jonathan rejection is not about where he came from it is about his incapability to rule effectively and the criminals he surrounds himself with.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Kennywills7(m): 9:35am On Feb 12, 2015
focus7:
I don't know what to say to you, but is not defence it is defend. What made think you bind us together, your oil? I don't benefit from your oil, and there counties without oil that still remains together, as matter of fact I think your is even causing more problem for us than good. As for your claim, the reason for Jonathan rejection is not about where he came from it is about his incapability to rule effectively and the criminals he surrounds himself with.
Brother if u say u are not benefiting from d oil then u are only deceiving yourself because u are indirectly benefiting from d oil, d entire country at large is benefiting from it
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Nobody: 12:25am On Feb 14, 2015
focus7:
I don't know what to say to you, but is not defence it is defend. What made think you bind us together, your oil? I don't benefit from your oil, and there counties without oil that still remains together, as matter of fact I think your is even causing more problem for us than good. As for your claim, the reason for Jonathan rejection is not about where he came from it is about his incapability to rule effectively and the criminals he surrounds himself with.
oya make i correct myself with your ojuelegba English
if you love Nigeria, you will rise to the defense defend of this minority president.
undecided

mumu. cry
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Nobody: 1:37am On Feb 14, 2015
mentorandfriend:
I dont defend nonsense. Who is hounding him out of office? Was he hounded in 2011 when we all gave him a landslide victory because we believed in him? Nigerians should learn something about issues-based campaigns and stop wipping up sentiments. If he has done well as you claim, nobody would have been challenging his re-election, but he threw away that chance to a corrupt cabal bent on maximising his ignorance, his naivety, his foo.lishness and his cluelessness. Peter Odili, Donald Duke, etc were south-south intelligent policticians Obasanjo should have picked as VP to Yar Adua, yet he foisted Jonathan on us. history will never be kind to Obasanjo.
yall guys are just hopeless lunatics....be it duke or odili or any southerner,da north wud still've come up with this 'its ur turn' bulshiit....
U guys shud just cut it..nigeria is safe in the hands of Gej, not buhari..
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by KanwuliaJara: 2:53am On Feb 14, 2015
relchange:
GEJ's only undoing is that he is from a minority ethnic group in Nigeria. To make matters worse, he is a thorough civilian democrat.
If he is successfully schemed out by born to rule majority groups and their worshipers, then, i will never ever support the presidential ambitions of any minority in Nigeria again.
Jonathan achieved more than Obasanjo and Yar adua combined, yet he is being hounded out of office.
if you love Nigeria, you will rise to the defense of this minority president. Minority groups bind Nigeria together. Without them, Nigeria is toast!
True tok!
OBJ dey Jelos GEJ! kiss
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by agabusta: 3:46am On Feb 14, 2015
You people should stop this your ethno-centric whinning!

You are equally as bigoted as the Northerners u dish out criticism to on a regular basis.

It's quite simple. The North and SE/SS are quite ethno-centric. They definitely will vote for their person.

I don't understand this whining from SE/SS guys as if they are not equal bigots with the Northerners.

The SW mainly votes for performance! They also like trying another person at the helms of affairs as shown by 1999 till date political history. They have voted in and out PDP and 'APC' (formerly AD/ACN).

That is the main reason Buhari will be winning the SW. Anybody that thinks GEJ can win the SW is just deceiving his or herself. The closest percentage, I mean CLOSEST percentage GEJ can get to GMB in SW total votes is 45% to GMB's 55%.

Characteristic of SW politics, you'll see that PDP may also win Lagos. I'm from the SW and reside in Lag, and I can tell that a lot of people are already tilting towards trying 'change' in Lagos. Even though, I support APC, I know they will find it real hard in Lag.

With all the on-going politicking, if APC succeeds in winning Lagos, then without any contradiction, I will crown Tinubu as the greatest Nigerian politician.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by BodyKiss(m): 3:48am On Feb 14, 2015
ellechrystal:
She isn't God, n she doesn't know it all.
At this point in time we do not need such long articles, we need something more.
Though some things she said r true, but some were just irrelevant.
Make your mind up, will ya?
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by citizenY(m): 11:31am On Feb 14, 2015
Kennywills7:
Lets just wait for d out come of d elections bro
I knw Gej has not turn Nigeria into dubai over night but certainly he has done more than d previous civilian & military government but u see
dey decided to use security against him & its obvious if d foreign soldiers are not involved nothing gud will come out of d efforts of mr president because within d army there are supporters of boko haram in large numbers dat gives informations to dem. Their plans is so far working as they hv succeeded in turning some of d masses against him, if he loses, i know someday he will take his rightful place in d history of dis country
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From the look of things, GEJ allowed himself to be diminished by co travellers like Koro ,Omisore, Adesiyan, Fayose and co using the army and their misadventure is working so far, to their detriment. The tapes from the Ekiti/Osun saga have clearly indicted them and they have dragged the presidency and army into the gutter.

In retrospect, the Ekiti scenario is a repeat of what happened in Anambra which explains why Chris Uba came into Ekiti with his own team. The template was also scheduled to be used in Osun before the tables turned. It will therefore be safe to conclude that this template/could have been used across the land. GOd works in mysterious ways.

I am not surprised that PDP/GEJ are fought tooth and nail to shift the goalposts to March. The deal has gone awry. I agree that GEj will take his rightful place in history, no doubt but the question is in which column huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh

Lest I forget, GEJ , our CinC denied being informed about the change in election dates and the communication by the military to INEC of their inability to provide secuirity. angry angry angry angry angry angry Haba , even my platoon leader in NYSC camp could not have said this shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked I will use my PVC to place him at the appropriate place... dustbin of history.Rubbish[/b][i][/i]
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Kennywills7(m): 12:26pm On Feb 14, 2015
citizenY:
[b]
From the look of things, GEJ allowed himself to be diminished by co travellers like Koro ,Omisore, Adesiyan, Fayose and co using the army and their misadventure is working so far, to their detriment. The tapes from the Ekiti/Osun saga have clearly indicted them and they have dragged the presidency and army into the gutter.

In retrospect, the Ekiti scenario is a repeat of what happened in Anambra which explains why Chris Uba came into Ekiti with his own team. The template was also scheduled to be used in Osun before the tables turned. It will therefore be safe to conclude that this template/could have been used across the land. GOd works in mysterious ways.

I am not surprised that PDP/GEJ are fought tooth and nail to shift the goalposts to March. The deal has gone awry. I agree that GEj will take his rightful place in history, no doubt but the question is in which column huh huh huh huh huh huh huh huh

Lest I forget, GEJ , our CinC denied being informed about the change in election dates and the communication by the military to INEC of their inability to provide secuirity. angry angry angry angry angry angry Haba , even my platoon leader in NYSC camp could not have said this shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked shocked I will use my PVC to place him at the appropriate place... dustbin of history.Rubbish[/b][i][/i]
U are too one sided bro
The tape in question implicated both d pdp and d apc in d act and both use d military, its a game of chess one out smart d other
As Gej, i will admit he has made some mistakes, i mean all leaders do but am not going to defend dat

The prostpone election is d best decision gej took in dis month of feb so far, Nigeria was standing on a time bomb
The polity was over heated by both parties & it needed to b calm
Aside from dat even d inec is not bn truthful in dis issue
Gej place will not b in d gutters or dustin as allege by u but it will b rightfull place where he is remember for some of d great policies dat set d pace for d improvement of dis country, though dey are not fully implemented and we are not yet seeing much of d benefit, a careful look at dem will sure u dat d country stands to benefit from dem on a long run
Thank u
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Kennywills7(m): 12:29pm On Feb 14, 2015
agabusta:
You people should stop this your ethno-centric whinning!

You are equally as bigoted as the Northerners u dish out criticism to on a regular basis.

It's quite simple. The North and SE/SS are quite ethno-centric. They definitely will vote for their person.

I don't understand this whining from SE/SS guys as if they are not equal bigots with the Northerners.

The SW mainly votes for performance! They also like trying another person at the helms of affairs as shown by 1999 till date political history. They have voted in and out PDP and 'APC' (formerly AD/ACN).

That is the main reason Buhari will be winning the SW. Anybody that thinks GEJ can win the SW is just deceiving his or herself. The closest percentage, I mean CLOSEST percentage GEJ can get to GMB in SW total votes is 45% to GMB's 55%.

Characteristic of SW politics, you'll see that PDP may also win Lagos. I'm from the SW and reside in Lag, and I can tell that a lot of people are already tilting towards trying 'change' in Lagos. Even though, I support APC, I know they will find it real hard in Lag.

With all the on-going politicking, if APC succeeds in winning Lagos, then without any contradiction, I will crown Tinubu as the greatest Nigerian politician.
How good was d performance of obj compare to gej sir?
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by agabusta: 1:46pm On Feb 14, 2015
Kennywills7:
How good was d performance of obj compare to gej sir?
It depends on the aspect one is looking at.
Obasanjo performed far better than GEJ on the economy and security. He created more jobs as well. Obasanjo opened up the banking and telecoms sectors. This created hundreds of thousands of direct and indirect jobs.

GEJ does not have a specific sector he revolutionised that created hundreds of thousands of jobs that can be confirmed. He together with his finance minister are just deceiving themselves with the figures they are brandishing as jobs they created.

Obasanjo left the economy in a very strong state. If GEJ leaves in May, he will be leaving a very weak economy.

GEJ seems to be getting it right with infrastructural devpt, especially with roads and the rail, although it is going at a very slow pace. I'm still suffering on FGN roads I regularly frequent, Apapa-Oshodi express, Shagamu-Ikorodu road & Lagos/Ibadan express despite their noise on these roads. I travelled on Lag-Ibn express 2 weeks ago, and with what I saw, they may still spend 2/3 yrs if not more before they complete it


GEJ's claim of transforming the agricultural sector is only seen in the media, not in the markets thru the prices of foods, and in the export of agricultural produce.

Personally, I like the fact that GEJ established more Universities and Almajiri schs. Throughout the existence of these schs he would be remembered for it.

GEJ by ensuring PDP did not conduct a presidential primary, destroyed some democratic principles of our political system. It encouraged a culture of impunity where everyone was looking for automatic tickets. From the president, to governors, to senators, House of Rep, etc and even party chairman sef. This is not a good precedence. If GEJ wins re-election (God forbid!), that precedence will not augur well for the political system of our country.

GEJ most especially thru those around him has further pronounced Nigeria's religious and ethnic fault lines. Obasanjo was a detribalised leader, his cohorts didn't emphasise religion and ethnicity to win elections.

GEJ puts less pressure on INEC and didn't manipulate the body as much as Obasanjo. That is a plus for him, I just hope he wont rubbish that in this coming election.

Obasanjo's fight against corruption, though selective in some cases, nonetheless, it achieved better results than what obtains today.

Overall, I will give it to Obasanjo. I'm not a fan of Obasanjo, though I admire some specific qualities in him just like GEJ. And I didn’t even vote for him in 1999 and 2003.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Kennywills7(m): 3:32pm On Feb 14, 2015
agabusta:
It depends on the aspect one is looking at.
Obasanjo performed far better than GEJ on the economy and security. He created more jobs as well. Obasanjo opened up the banking and telecoms sectors. This created hundreds of thousands of direct and indirect jobs.

GEJ does not have a specific sector he revolutionised that created hundreds of thousands of jobs that can be confirmed. He together with his finance minister are just deceiving themselves with the figures they are brandishing as jobs they created.

Obasanjo left the economy in a very strong state. If GEJ leaves in May, he will be leaving a very weak economy.

GEJ seems to be getting it right with infrastructural devpt, especially with roads and the rail, although it is going at a very slow pace. I'm still suffering on FGN roads I regularly frequent, Apapa-Oshodi express, Shagamu-Ikorodu road & Lagos/Ibadan express despite their noise on these roads. I travelled on Lag-Ibn express 2 weeks ago, and with what I saw, they may still spend 2/3 yrs if not more before they complete it


GEJ's claim of transforming the agricultural sector is only seen in the media, not in the markets thru the prices of foods, and in the export of agricultural produce.

Personally, I like the fact that GEJ established more Universities and Almajiri schs. Throughout the existence of these schs he would be remembered for it.

GEJ by ensuring PDP did not conduct a presidential primary, destroyed some democratic principles of our political system. It encouraged a culture of impunity where everyone was looking for automatic tickets. From the president, to governors, to senators, House of Rep, etc and even party chairman sef. This is not a good precedence. If GEJ wins re-election (God forbid!), that precedence will not augur well for the political system of our country.

GEJ most especially thru those around him has further pronounced Nigeria's religious and ethnic fault lines. Obasanjo was a detribalised leader, his cohorts didn't emphasise religion and ethnicity to win elections.

GEJ puts less pressure on INEC and didn't manipulate the body as much as Obasanjo. That is a plus for him, I just hope he wont rubbish that in this coming election.

Obasanjo's fight against corruption, though selective in some cases, nonetheless, it achieved better results than what obtains today.

Overall, I will give it to Obasanjo. I'm not a fan of Obasanjo, though I admire some specific qualities in him just like GEJ. And I didn’t even vote for him in 1999 and 2003.
Bro lets b truthful in d banking sector obj might hv open d sector but we also know it nearly collase if not for d intervention of sanusi under umaru/gej so dat one its gej except u want to bring facts to prove me wrong


As for d jobs created, gej created 5400 direct jobs (entrepreneurs) through Youwin
In agriculture, which is very important has bn seriously work on by d gej administration, ways u can see this is through rice production which has gone up and u can testify to dat during d dec 2014 period dat instead of price of rice going up, it reduce & d exploit in agriculture certainly created jobs for some pple


As for d presidential primary its d decision of d party and even if d primaries were conducted gej would hv still win

Talking about corruption obj method was a selective method where his ememies were targeted
Gej may hv not sent any high profile politician to jail but it doesn't mean corruption is not bn fought
I know we clamour to see a big man in jail yes we all do but dis things follow due process dat is court
There are many cases in d court and its only d court dat can send dem to jail and not gej however i knw he can influence d out come but dat will also mean interferring in d affairs of d judiciary
If Gej starts sending some of d Apc governors to jail now we are d ones dat will start shouting foul play again

On d aspect of d road, d work pace is slow yes but its going on & i like d fact dat u are truthful in certain areas
Economically gej perform better than obj and it has bn proven over time
Talking abt d aviation sector, d automoblie industry to add to some u hv already highlighted
The fall of d economy is a global trend & its due to d fall in oil prices & its affecting d growth of most economies in d world
Gej attempted saving for d rainy days but it was our various states governors dat still accuse him of stealing d money which prompted him to release d money which was share aamong d states and d fed govt
As for religious and tribal lines, personally i condemn d acts of those around him making some unguilded statements
Those making such inciting statements include even buhari himself and not forgetting some northern governors and muslim clerics

Am not saying gej has bn wonderful but he is far better than d opposition candidate
If they had produce a better candidate it would hv bn a bit better
also looking at those singing d anti corruption songs, one tends to get confuse because those are all corrupt govt officials & past looters of states resources and d manner they are going about seeking dis change is very questionable
I still maintain that d party with d real change dat we seek is has not bn form and certainly not by these set of criminals
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by citizenY(m): 4:01pm On Feb 14, 2015
Kennywills7:
U are too one sided bro
The tape in question implicated both d pdp and d apc in d act and both use d military, its a game of chess one out smart d other
As Gej, i will admit he has made some mistakes, i mean all leaders do but am not going to defend dat

The prostpone election is d best decision gej took in dis month of feb so far, Nigeria was standing on a time bomb
The polity was over heated by both parties & it needed to b calm
Aside from dat even d inec is not bn truthful in dis issue
Gej place will not b in d gutters or dustin as allege by u but it will b rightfull place where he is remember for some of d great policies dat set d pace for d improvement of dis country, though dey are not fully implemented and we are not yet seeing much of d benefit, a careful look at dem will sure u dat d country stands to benefit from dem on a long run
Thank u
That is why it is my opinion , thanks.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by superstar1(m): 5:57pm On Feb 14, 2015
Why do you people like sentiments above objectivity? so he must be voted again because he is from a minority group. What a hollow thinking and mentality?

Was he not the same minority man, Nigerians from all works of life, religion and ethnic groups voted for in 2011? why was his minority status not important then.

If in your own opinion, you feel he outperformed OBJ and Yar Adua, it is your exclusive view and you are entitled to it. Others think he is the worst and most clueless and corrupt president we ever had. They are entitled to their opinions too. However, what are your yardstick for measuring him against the 2 previous administrations?

Stop basing your judgement on sentiments and dwell on objectivity, facts and figures.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Abagworo(m): 6:04pm On Feb 14, 2015
relchange:
GEJ's only undoing is that he is from a minority ethnic group in Nigeria. To make matters worse, he is a thorough civilian democrat.
If he is successfully schemed out by born to rule majority groups and their worshipers, then, i will never ever support the presidential ambitions of any minority in Nigeria again.
Jonathan achieved more than Obasanjo and Yar adua combined, yet he is being hounded out of office.
if you love Nigeria, you will rise to the defense of this minority president. Minority groups bind Nigeria together. Without them, Nigeria is toast!
You are a bastadr for mentioning Obasanjo alongside a failed leader. All our past Presidents be it Abacha, Tafawa Balewa, Gowon, IBB are from minority ethnic groups.

Obasanjo revolutionised Banking, Telecommunication, Agriculture and stock exchange. The power sector he initiated has remained stagnant since he left. I am sure it will start working when Buhari cones in.
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Nobody: 9:36pm On Mar 20, 2015
Abagworo:
You are a bastadr for mentioning Obasanjo alongside a failed leader. All our past Presidents be it Abacha, Tafawa Balewa, Gowon, IBB are from minority ethnic groups.

Obasanjo revolutionised Banking, Telecommunication, Agriculture and stock exchange. The power sector he initiated has remained stagnant since he left. I am sure it will start working when Buhari cones in.
and your mother is a harlot for giving birth to an absolute ijiot.
Jonathan achieved far more than your thin-god Obasanjo
you hate Jonathan because he is not Hausa or Yoruba.
inferiority complex is a disease "nwune". kiss
Re: Main Lesson From Jonathan's Plight by Nobody: 7:53pm On Apr 01, 2015
and so, it happened...
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