coogar:


i celebrated for moyes - not for man utd.
that's moyes' first title in his 3000 years of football management. it called for celebration.

however, the perfect treble must include the FA cup. capital one cup isn't the most prestigious domestic cup competition in england.



a treble that excludes the league title - this is a slap on dayokanu's bayern munich. to think bayern & liverpool can be grouped together as treble winners is a mockery on bayern.

We are not comparing Liverpool and Bayern yet. The keywords in this discussion are treble and Liverpool.

Has Liverpool won a treble or not? That's the question. Never mind which trophies. Because the word treble has one and just one meaning.

timbros:


We are not comparing Liverpool and Bayern yet. The keywords in this discussion are treble and Liverpool.

Has Liverpool won a treble or not? That's the question. Never mind which trophies. Because the word treble has one and just one meaning.

treble means 3
a domestic title, league winner and the UCL
leave Coogar alone
but I can't count Liverpool's own as a certified treble tho

That liverpool's treble though...let's say they won three trophies.

JigsawKillah:


treble means 3
a domestic title, league winner and the UCL
leave Coogar alone
but I can't count Liverpool's own as a certified treble tho

Thank you.

Emaprince:
That liverpool's treble though...let's say they won three trophies.

Yea.

And if we succeed at the end of the season, it's our treble too...

TreQuartista:
gifs have never been so easy to create.

Una don enta am for this thread. Na una go take head swap am. I would so inundate this thread with gifs una go carry sacrifice to make me stop.

BTW, ah dey sell data, and na cheapey. 10kobo/GB.

C'mon nitlad be serious.

hephem:
@Dayo, so who would say is the best coach in the world? Atleast come up with a name instead of just hiding in a corner only to come at every other person's opinion.

The best coach in the world is Carlo Ancelotti followed by pep guardiola

Bimffo:


With what Pep said at the last paragraph about being able to retire at a place rather than getting sacked, I dont think he would like working in England..

In England, Managers leave Clubs frequently than Players..

In fact it was only this season in 10 years that any manager wont get sacked before Christmas time.

You are a joke.

Ferguson spent 26yrs in man utd. Moyes spent 13yrs in Everton. Wenger is currently on his 19th yr in arsenal.

Tell me any league where you have a coach spending 10yrs on the same team

Fabregas once said it that epl is the most lenient league for coaches.

AirborneLacer:


C'mon nitlad be serious.

I am not 'nitlad', abeg!


Ole! Wia u wan see dat kain rate? You better off images on your browser and manage the free embi dem dash u.

TreQuartista:


I am not 'nitlad', abeg!


Ole! Wia u wan see dat kain rate? You better off images on your browser and manage the free embi dem dash u.

Nitlad our son we sent you to school you wan con deny your name

raumdeuter:


You are a joke.

Ferguson spent 26yrs in man utd. Moyes spent 13yrs in Everton. Wenger is currently on his 19th yr in arsenal.

Tell me any league where you have a coach spending 10yrs on the same team

Fabregas once said it that epl is the most lenient league for coaches.

You Only mentioned 3 teams in your post and all are over 10 years.. I also said in the last 10 years, that is around 2004/2005..

Epl is Most lenient with Coaches. Seriously Dayo?? Please tell me another thing.. Use Chelsea as Example..

We finally won something. Kudos to JM and the lad. We can't underrate City sha. Blue is the colour.

Bimffo:
You Only mentioned 3 teams in your post and all are over 10 years.. I also said in the last 10 years, that is around 2004/2005..

Epl is Most lenient with Coaches. Seriously Dayo?? Please tell me another thing.. Use Chelsea as Example..

SHow us any team in any other league that has a manager for over 10yrs, or 15 or 20yrs like we have in the EPL

If Wenger, Moyes Ferguson were to be in another league they would have been fired long ago. Thats the truth

Why should we use Chelsea as an example? is Chelsea the only team in the whole league? Why not use Arsenal as an example

Emaprince:
what makes dinho and deco the best players at that time? The duo's intelligence,skill etc were already on the wane and finished.they had their best days from 2004-2007

In 2007 Dinho scored 21 goals, Deco assisted 11 goals from deep. In 2008 DInho got injured and Pep sold him.

Thats a bold move

how can mou sell ronaldo and modric who are still at their peaks? Ok,if pep actually sold his best players at barca,why don't he sell robben and ribery and watch your yeye team crash.

Pep is a coach that hates competition.and that's why he took to his heels soon as it seemed jose's team were catching up with them.he managed the best team which paraded the best trio of iniesta,javi and messi.jose still won the league by defeating him infront of their home fans.he took a sabbatical and opted for bayern where there is literally a non existent competition.he should have come to premier league and die of heart attack from the stiff competition of the league..

Pep made Xavi the best playmaker in Europe, Before Pep got there Xavi was about to be sold. He made Busquets sold Yaya.

Pep brutalised Mourinho beyond belief. He hammered him 5-0, Until mourinho started thuggery on the field. He beat Jose in the C, In the league in the Copa. He got tired of beating Mourinho and left for better opportunities.

And hwere is the competition that Pep should go to? Only an ignoramus would tell us there is any competition in the Premier league

In the last 10yrs, only 3 teams have won the EPL,

Ask yourself if pep can be successful with the same inter milan squad with which jose clinched the highly coveted treble?...your answer will still be NO!!

Jose did it with unkonwn squad at porto,he did it with the ageing inter squad,he conquered england,he conquered spain.please give him a well deserved respect.

We shall wait and see how pep will bolt at the speed of light if a little competition ever rear its heads in the bully's league.

Pep took Barcelona, changed everything about them and became the best team of this generation. Pep defined an era. Teams started playing like him. The Spanish team adopted his method and ruled the world. No one would ever think of following Joses methods

Even Abrahamovic sacked him for being a coward, Only Jose would spend so much money and line up 7 defenders vs Atletico Madrid at home in a CL semi final.

If Pep gives Roman the go ahead, he would fire Mourinho immediately

Nihilist:


Nitlad our son we sent you to school you wan con deny your name

LOL

AirborneLacer:
Changing most of the treble personnel?

Una team is largely made up of Juup's boys. The major absentees are only Manduzkic and Kroos.

I reiterate, Pep prefers the perfect and safe job. The Barcelona team he inherited weren't that bad. They were already Champs with Rijkaard. Same with Bayern who won a treble with Juup.

Credit must be given to him though for bringing out the geniuses in them and placing his trust on the younger talents, but this is still hardly something Jose has never done.

Show us where Jose had taken such risk. Sell Yaya, Put in a rookie like Busquets, Sell Dinho, Put a 5ft 7 as striker, use a false 9, Make a champion out of Pedro, Pep defined his era, Jose himself knows this thats whyhe is pained. Pep took him out several times and made him his punching bag. WHen you pummel someone 8-3. Then the case is closed

Teaching a winning team to win more doesn't require as much effort as teaching losers how to win. The winning team already knows what must be done to win more games, and simply needs to re-implement what has worked in the past.

For a losing team, a coach must start from scratch. He must motivate the squad, decide on the best tactics and make a wide range of improvements to the squad.

From there, he must work to improve the team chemistry and manage to help each and every player excel on the pitch.

Motivating Xavi, Puyol, Abidal, Iniesta, Schweinsteiger, Lahm, Robben, Ribery and Co. Shouldn't be difficult.

Now compare that to motivating Lampard, Terry, Drogba, Gudjohnsen, Duff, Smertin, Gallas in 2004, Deco, Ferreira, Benni, Carvalho, Maniche in 2003 or even trophy shy underachievers like Walter Samuel, Lucio, Pandev, Milito at Inter?

You must be having a laugh.

Lucio was already a world cup winner way before Jose started coaching, Etoo was a double CL winner before Jose found his way to Inter.

And what did Jose win with Lampard Terry Drogba etc. WHat he couldnt achieve in multiple years a rookie like Di Matteo did.

Not to mention Jose prefers winning in a more challenging environment, coming up against the best managers and best teams.

Why am I still on this debate with you sef when Pep just like Pochettino has once admitted that Jose is the best in the world?

Yep he did, check it up

www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/120973.html

WHo are these best managers Jose came up against? And which challenging environment? the challenging environment at Inter where Juve and Milan were nobodies suffering from calcicopoli effect? Or the challenging environment where the closest competition is Pellegrini and Wenger?

And regarding the quote. Thats one major thing Pep has over Mourinho, humility,

EVen after winning the sextuple, pummeling Jose into a pulp, he still said he was grater than him.

Its like Klitschko saying Samuel Peters was greater than him after leaving him in this state

@Dayo,After selling his best player to pep, he went on to knock pep out of the UCL and beat carlo( best coach in the world) home and away then beating bayern in the final. He has a better head to head to carlo and more trophies than both carlo and pep.....thou I won't be reckless to call him the best coach in the world cos I no for a fact that there are many factors in play here and that's the reason most people say "arguably" when it comes to issues like dis.Therefore ur logic of carlo being the best and followed by pep is flawed .

dayo.....stop comparing apples to oranges.


pep had been the manager of barcelona team B for a while before getting promoted to the senior team. he had the prior knowledge of the team before the promotion. of course, he must have known about dinho's indiscipline & deco's waning form.

how come pep hasn't done the same @ bayern? why didn't he sell ribery, muller & schweinsteiger immediately he arrived for some rookies in your academy? pep is my favourite manager in the world but this your point isn't what makes pep a great manager......it's his tactical flexibility that makes him the #1 manager in the world.

raumdeuter:


You are a joke.

Ferguson spent 26yrs in man utd. Moyes spent 13yrs in Everton. Wenger is currently on his 19th yr in arsenal.

Tell me any league where you have a coach spending 10yrs on the same team

Fabregas once said it that epl is the most lenient league for coaches.

exclude chelsea and some clubs

raumdeuter:


Show us where Jose had taken such risk. Sell Yaya, Put in a rookie like Busquets, Sell Dinho, Put a 5ft 7 as striker, use a false 9, Make a champion out of Pedro, Pep defined his era, Jose himself knows this thats whyhe is pained. Pep took him out several times and made him his punching bag. WHen you pummel someone 8-3. Then the case is closed

You must be having a laugh.

Lucio was already a world cup winner way before Jose started coaching, Etoo was a double CL winner before Jose found his way to Inter.

And what did Jose win with Lampard Terry Drogba etc. WHat he couldnt achieve in multiple years a rookie like Di Matteo did.

WHo are these best managers Jose came up against? And which challenging environment? the challenging environment at Inter where Juve and Milan were nobodies suffering from calcicopoli effect? Or the challenging environment where the closest competition is Pellegrini and Wenger?

And regarding the quote. Thats one major thing Pep has over Mourinho, humility,

EVen after winning the sextuple, pummeling Jose into a pulp, he still said he was grater than him.

Its like Klitschko saying Samuel Peters was greater than him after leaving him in this state

Hehehe

Dayo you need to keep calm cos you don't know a thing about Jose.

The problem with keeping mum over some misconceptions and fallacies is that you risk 'em being gradually and generally misconstrued and accepted as fact whereas history, experience and common sense often reveal such nonsensical 'facts' as nonsense, and nothing but pure unadulterated nonsense and unfounded baloney.

Pep giving rookies like Busquet, Pedro and Thiago the chance to shine at the expense of some notable figures isn't news. Jose has done bigger stuffs than that.

Mou's UCL winning Porto side was littered with very young and promising prospects like Carlos Alberto who was a prominent first teamer forming the band of '3' in Jose's 4-3-3 setup alongside then 25-year old Deco and 24-year old Maniche; Hugo Almeida and Bruno Moraes weighed in both at 19; Hugo Luz and Postiga both 20; Candida Costa, a certain Bosingwa and Ricardo Costa all first team players at 21!

Cech was only a 21 year-old bought by Claudio Ranieri his predecessor and whom Jose immediately identified and installed as No.1, in lieu of club veteran Carlo Cudicini.

At Real, Jose brought in 18-year old Varane from Lens. And made him a first team player at the expense of Pepe.

At Inter, he made a young Santon a first team player.

Does risks get any better than that?

And yes, he chooses the stiffer challenge. When he arrived England in 2004, Manyoo and Arsenal were already ruling the roost. He was handed a massive task - to make Chelsea a force both in England and Europe.

Did he achieve that or not?

When he flew over to Italy, what was the situation at Inter Milan? What was the statement after two seasons? Massive sweep!

His arrival at Real coincided with the period Barca had a golden generation yet he managed to win the league and a Copa del rey. He somehow halted Barca's dominance in Spain.

He's back in England, where money crazy Citeh are ruling the roost. 1 season and half gone and it's already looking like Chelsea are the team to beat in the country.

Dayo, Maradona once hailed Jose as the only gaffer who's capable of turning a coin into a gold.

When Pep was busy struggling to beat the Di Matteo of this world, Jose was busy taking greats like Van Gaal, Wenger, Benitez, Ferguson etc to the cleaners.

Raumdeuter respect my gaffer.

TreQuartista:


I am not 'nitlad', abeg!

Ole! Wia u wan see dat kain rate? You better off images on your browser and manage the free embi dem dash u.

Kilo ndamu e?

JJC you don dey deny your name ni?

Let's do business the Chelsea way. Like how many gigabytes have you got on sale?

hephem:
@Dayo,After selling his best player to pep, he went on to knock pep out of the UCL and beat carlo( best coach in the world) home and away then beating bayern in the final. He has a better head to head to carlo and more trophies than both carlo and pep.....thou I won't be reckless to call him the best coach in the world cos I no for a fact that there are many factors in play here and that's the reason most people say "arguably" when it comes to issues like dis.Therefore ur logic of carlo being the best and followed by pep is flawed .

Carlo has won the Champions League 3 times, More than any coach in history

If it was easy Mourinho should be winning the CL regularly with the bottomless purse he was given by Roman

raumdeuter:


Carlo has won the Champions League 3 times, More than any coach in history

If it was easy Mourinho should be winning the CL regularly with the bottomless purse he was given by Roman

jose has won it with porto & inter in his few years as a football manager. give him his credits.

coogar:
dayo.....stop comparing apples to oranges.


pep had been the manager of barcelona team B for a while before getting promoted to the senior team. he had the prior knowledge of the team before the promotion. of course, he must have known about dinho's indiscipline & deco's waning form.

how come pep hasn't done the same @ bayern? why didn't he sell ribery, muller & schweinsteiger immediately he arrived for some rookies in your academy? pep is my favourite manager in the world but this your point isn't what makes pep a great manager......it's his tactical flexibility that makes him the #1 manager in the world.

Top players are always indiscipline, It takes huge balls to sell off Dinho, If it had backfired he would have been the biggest villain in football

Ronaldo misbehaves, Messi misbehaves who would dare sell them?

Pep got rid of Gomez(top scorer), Mandzukic(another top scorer) and Kroos already. Key parts of Bayern before his appontment.

coogar:


jose has won it with porto & inter in his few years as a football manager. give him his credits.

He has won it at Porto and Inter thats why he would be 3rd best coach in the world.

3 titles is still greater than 2. Carlo succeded where Jose failed

pamcode:
exclude chelsea and some clubs

Can you tell us in any other league where you have managers spending over 10yrs on the same job?

Its a simple question, I have given you 3 examples in the PL

raumdeuter:


He has won it at Porto and Inter thats why he would be 3rd best coach in the world.

3 titles is still greater than 2. Carlo succeded where Jose failed

dayo, you are better than this.
carlo has had 20 years in football management. in those years, he has managed juventus, milan, chelsea, PSG & real madrid. it's a disgrace he hasn't won more than 3 considering the top clubs he has managed.

to play the devil's advocate......carlotti only managed to win the UCL in the clubs that are notorious in winning it. madrid had won it 9 times before carlotti. milan had won it 5 times before carlotti.

jose won it with porto. no one gave porto a chance when they did. he also won it at inter as a complete underdog. no one gave them any chance at all when he won it. pep is tactically better than jose but brilliance alone doesn't cut it. you need a bit of street smartness sometimes to get to the finish line.


pep - a genius who reads a lot.
jose - an average student who knows where to buy expo.

Someone just declared ferguson to be the greatest coach ever on planet earth. Abeg Dk can you give us ur opinion on this little matter ?

raumdeuter:

Top players are always indiscipline, It takes huge balls to sell off Dinho, If it had backfired he would have been the biggest villain in football

oh please.....
everyone knew dinho was finished by 08. in rijkaard's last season when they came to OT, dinho was already a peripheral figure at barcelona. it was messi, etoo & henry doing the damage at barca.

Ronaldo misbehaves, Messi misbehaves who would dare sell them?

it's one thing to misbehave, it's another thing to let indiscipline affect the performance on the pitch. by the end of 2007, kaka had already displaced dinho as the best in the world with cristiano & messi following closely.

Pep got rid of Gomez(top scorer), Mandzukic(another top scorer) and Kroos already. Key parts of Bayern before his appontment.

gomez & mandzukic are 3rd tier strikers. don't compare this calibre of players to dinho. who be gomez?

AirborneLacer:


Hehehe

Dayo you need to keep calm cos you don't know a thing about Jose.

The problem with keeping mum over some misconceptions and fallacies is that you risk 'em being gradually and generally misconstrued and accepted as fact whereas history, experience and common sense often reveal such nonsensical 'facts' as nonsense, and nothing but pure unadulterated nonsense and unfounded baloney.

Pep giving rookies like Busquet, Pedro and Thiago the chance to shine at the expense of some notable figures isn't news. Jose has done bigger stuffs than that.

Mou's UCL winning Porto side was littered with very young and promising prospects like Carlos Alberto who was a prominent first teamer forming the band of '3' in Jose's 4-3-3 setup alongside then 25-year old Deco and 24-year old Maniche; Hugo Almeida and Bruno Moraes weighed in both at 19; Hugo Luz and Postiga both 20; Candida Costa, a certain Bosingwa and Ricardo Costa all first team players at 21!

You are not impressing anyone with dropping names, What you read online I watched it live. How many minutes of football did Hugo Almeida or Bruno Moraes play under Mourinho in Porto?

And what became of these peoples career? Its like mentioning that Pep brought Isaac Cuenca and Fontas. What have they achieved in football

Cech was only a 21 year-old bought by Claudio Ranieri his predecessor and whom Jose immediately identified and installed as No.1, in lieu of club veteran Carlo Cudicini.

At Real, Jose brought in 18-year old Varane from Lens. And made him a first team player at the expense of Pepe.

At Inter, he made a young Santon a first team player.

Does risks get any better than that?

Like I said earlier you have to realize the caliber of people you are addressing especially in football matters.

Tell me whats the risk in making the best keeper in French league and Best keeper in Euro 2004 first team keeper.?

WHats special about Santon? Where is that Santons career.

We are saying Pep brought arguably the best Defensive midfielder of the past half a decade you are mentioning Football never do wells like Santon, Hugo Almeida, Bruno Moraes

And yes, he chooses the stiffer challenge. When he arrived England in 2004, Manyoo and Arsenal were already ruling the roost. He was handed a massive task - to make Chelsea a force both in England and Europe

Did he achieve that or not?

WHats the stiffer challenge in taking a team who was second in the league, CL semi finalist and serial FA cup winners add half a billion dollars to it and all you had to show was 2 league titles and same CL semi final. Thats FAILURE

When he flew over to Italy, what was the situation at Inter Milan? What was the statement after two seasons? Massive sweep!

He flew to Italy when the owners of Serie A were in turmoil from Calcicopoli, That even a Mancini can win titles there.

His arrival at Real coincided with the period Barca had a golden generation yet he managed to win the league and a Copa del rey. He somehow halted Barca's dominance in Spain.

How did Mourinho halt Barca dominance? He spent 3 seasons, Barca won 2 league titles. He won 1 league, 1 Copa despite managing over 500m in human asset

He's back in England, where money crazy Citeh are ruling the roost. 1 season and half gone and it's already looking like Chelsea are the team to beat in the country.

LOL. Beat Citeh? The same Citeh Musa and Dioumbia disgraced? Or no be the same city that is the wife of every team in EUrope

Citeh ruling the roost in a mikey mouse competition, No wonder Citeh is a joke when real teams gather. I am sure you would tell us he beat Pellegrini (a serial failure), Man Utd, Wenger (Another serial failure), Koeman and Redknapp in England. WHat awesome competition

LOL

Dayo, Maradona once hailed Jose as the only gaffer who's capable of turning a coin into a gold.

When Pep was busy struggling to beat the Di Matteo of this world, Jose was busy taking greats like Van Gaal, Wenger, Benitez, Ferguson etc to the cleaners.

Raumdeuter respect my gaffer.

Maradona? We can all see what became of Maradonas coaching career. Failures would recognize themselves.

Pep surely didnt struggle with Jose. He beat him thoroughly. Handed him his worst career loss and bested him head to head

Like I said Jose is TB Joshua, Pep is Zeus

diggz:
Someone just declared ferguson to be the greatest coach ever on planet earth. Abeg Dk can you give us ur opinion on this little matter ?

I didnt know Ferguson is still an active coach.

coogar:

pep is tactically better than jose but brilliance alone doesn't cut it. you need a bit of street smartness sometimes to get to the finish line.


pep - a genius who reads a lot.
jose - an average student who knows where to buy expo.

There you have it.

A genius is always respected.

EVen though a student who buys expo might graduate with a first class he would never be adjudged better than the genius who creates the rule