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Buh I don't think you know what you're saying @ op, GEJ himself said there are no corrupt people in his administration, they're just THIEVES...
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[b]People have power but do not know how to use it.

The same people blame GEJ for being the C-i-C and not knowing how to exercise that power.

The power of votes in a democracy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

GEJ should be voted out!

And as you do...GET YOUR PVC ready to vote out GMB if he falls into the same trap of incompetency.

Keep voting them out until we get someone who is patriotic and God-fearing enough to put our
collective interest as a nation over their personal ambition.

This is 2015. Enough is Enough. Forward ever, backward never.

If GEJ wins, that means that people have shown that their existence in this world is in vain and should be taken
for granted by their oppressors.

Remember all those days of strikes, picketing, protests, etc. This is your chance to show your grievance.

When they oppress, they show no emotions; when you vote, show no emotions.

Be selfish in your desire for things to be better in your lives.

The fear of voters should be the beginning of wisdom. It should not end with GEJ and GMB.

Keep your governors on their feet as well.

Your lives in 4 years should be worth more than a bag of rice.[/b]

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xrisdon:
Buhari promised to kill corruption if elected!

http://leadership.ng/news/417280/ill-kill-corruption-in-nigeria-buhari


But here is my personal submission.....

buhari can never kill corruption!!!

he couldn't kill corruption when he had absolute power as military dictator,
but think he can do it now as a constitutional president, what a joke!!!

first, buhari do not know how to fight corruption! supposing he did know, Nigeria would have been corrupt free by now, because buhari was once a head of state!

secondly, l prefer Gej's way of fighting corruption to that of buhari!

buhari believes in fighting corruption by jailing people with little or no care on the root cause!

while Gej on the other hand believes in building corrupt free system that can last even when he is no longer there!!

but unfortunately most Nigerians prefer action with no result,

for instant, do you know how many people buhari would have sent to jail because of fertilizer scam without solving the problem itself!
but Gej came in change the corrupt system that have been there for years even to the time of buhari,
But now it is impossible for corrupt people to operate with the new system without making too much noise about it.

I will take you seriously when you explain why Diepreye Alaimeshegha was granted a pardon, and what FFK, Bode George is doing around our amiable president. I think those acts discourage corruption now, don't it

xrisdon:
It means that you don't know what fighting corruption is all about, its not by making noise its by building strong institution that prevents corruption, just as Gej is doing

Pardon Me, Which strong institution is built against corruption

The only thing that's constant in this life is CHANGE...same people that refuse to commit crime or steal during GMB regime because they know the repercussion might become arm robber under GEJ tenure due to he support and pardon corrupt practices..how is that GMB fault that people change after his regime. ...this post is dumb and sentimental.

GEJ is not as corrupt as he is so accused.

I know that APC will go any length to disgrace GEJ but I have not heard them accusing GEJ evidently of embezzlement of funds or owning companies here and/or in abroad. If up till now no such accusations then GEJ is more sincere than all the APC put together.

Nigerians are wiser

Vote GEJ on march 28

Boss13:
I did not insult you but considered the post to be dumb. Even this comment you just made. You do not assume on the premise of statements. We are in a democracy and in a democracy we are guided by the constitution (the highest law in the country). You cannot arrest people without any iota of suspicion. It is left on the onus of the alleged corrupt person to prove that he did not partake in any corrupt activity. Though, it is assume that corrupt persons are innocent until proven guilty.

From your post, I will presume that many of us do not understand how corruption is being fought. Some based their indices on conviction rate; others on the factors that create incentives for corrupt practices. Me, I will based mine on the leadership tone set above, because that is what drives and encompasses the urge to curb corruption.

Statements made by the President on corruption are not encouraging and hence, I tend to score his administration poor on the fight against corruption.

Aside that, if we take conviction rate as an indices you will find out that the EFCC is doing little or nothing and hence, the perception index is high (internally and externally).

System controls - The president has said he does not intend to lock up people in jail for corruption but to fight corruption with system. On a honest note, I like this approach because there is also considerable cost savings from prosecuting corrupt offenders (this cost includes; logistics, paper filing, court prosecution, lawyers fees, the use of experts and their fees (forensic auditing); and other miscellaneous cost attached for just one conviction). As revealed, it cost the Britons a huge estimate of money to convict Ibori (I have forgotten the actual figure). So this approach saves cost.

However, system controls can be overridden, especially but those who implemented it (for example, minister of finance, CBN, the president himself, other important aides e.t.c). Also, there may be one or more persons, with knowledge of the system, to collude and circumvent the operative effectiveness of the control system. Finally, system controls may fail.

So like I said previously, an effective fight against corruption, which our eminent president, isn't doing includes and is not just limited to system controls as recommended by the president -

- High leadership integrity and commitment on the fight on corruption
- Effective Anti-corruption Act
- Efficient and effective anti-corruption system controls
- Whistle blowing programs and procedures
- Effective law enforcement agencies to act as a deterrent
- Blacklisting and incarcerating corrupt offenders; by maintaining a good comprehensive list of corrupt offenders and circularizing them regularly.

Even with the above, there will still be droplets of corruption, however, the overall perception and actual corrupt practices will reduce drastically because the risk engaging in corruption will be outrageously higher than the benefit.

Now based on the above, can you honestly admit that President Jonathan is fighting corruption? I intentionally left out the bad attributes of corruption in order not to make my response verbose and also note that I did not insult your person.

Another free consultancy.

Have a great day

You made some good points here but still mixed up several issues and exhibited crass ignorance in others while contradicting yourself in some...watch your grammar too...

How else can corruption can be defined than the hypocricy of APC? You have nailed the point in completely. The only way that have been able to corner alot of supporters is through sheer propaganda and escallating problems without them been able to convince objective minds on how they'd tackle the problems of which critical observation present President Goodluck as a better candidate than Buhari in this regard. I blame myself for listening to their noises instead of aligning myself with the FG's programmes.

Wahala90:
Stating the obvious problem of corruption in Nigeria (a problem common with all past administrations, Buhari's inclusive) is not anything to applaud but what you are offering as a solution is what matters. In any sane democratic setting, an unrepentant coupist dictator and murderer with an unforgivable human rights records is not qualified to handle any public office. To even think that these people (Buhari supporters) think they are elites and refined while their opponents are touts make me even more confused.

Nigeria need more prison.

xrisdon:
I agree with you especially on this......
"what is the penalty for stealing govt's money?"
but again, thats where our law makers comes in,
they should enact laws base on that regard.

It seems you didn't even understand the topic or concept on which you opened a thread...some of your responses to criticisms aren't top class to me...

xrisdon:
Buhari promised to kill corruption if elected!

http://leadership.ng/news/417280/ill-kill-corruption-in-nigeria-buhari


But here is my personal submission.....

buhari can never kill corruption!!!

he couldn't kill corruption when he had absolute power as military dictator,
but think he can do it now as a constitutional president, what a joke!!!

first, buhari do not know how to fight corruption! supposing he did know, Nigeria would have been corrupt free by now, because buhari was once a head of state!

secondly, l prefer Gej's way of fighting corruption to that of buhari!

buhari believes in fighting corruption by jailing people with little or no care on the root cause!

while Gej on the other hand believes in building corrupt free system that can last even when he is no longer there!!

but unfortunately most Nigerians prefer action with no result,

for instant, do you know how many people buhari would have sent to jail because of fertilizer scam without solving the problem itself!
but Gej came in change the corrupt system that have been there for years even to the time of buhari,
But now it is impossible for corrupt people to operate with the new system without making too much noise about it.

Great writeup. Most Nigerians don't even know what it means to fight corruption. All they want is brute force where people are thrown in jail or shot by firing squard. They careless about preventive measures.
The best way to minimize corruption (Corruption can never be eradicated) is by blocking loopholes and avenues to corruption. And the best way to do that, as you rightly pointed out is by building institutions. Institutions with internal mechanism that is self sustaining and efficient to deal with corruption no matter who is in power. That's what is obtainable in civilized societies. This is an indictment on OBJ because he never fought corruption. All he did was to intimidate political enemies through EFCC.
Those people who are in the habit of accusing GEJ of not fighting corruption conveniently forgot that humans in general possess the affinity to commit crimes. For instance, the penalty for hawking drugs in some countries is dead sentence. Yet people still hawk drugs. Why? Because man has the penchant attitude to commit crimes. So is dead penalty the best way to deal with drug trafficking? Definitely not. So what's the best way to fight drug peddlers? Destroying drug farmlands. That's why some of these countries with high drug related crimes are destroying farmlands where drugs plants are planted and produced to minimize the rate of drug trafficking in the streets.
So is it with corruption. The best way to tackle a problem is from the root. This is what GEJ is currently doing through FOI, free press and information technology (ICT).

Boss13:
I did not insult you but considered the post to be dumb. Even this comment you just made. You do not assume on the premise of statements. We are in a democracy and in a democracy we are guided by the constitution (the highest law in the country). You cannot arrest people without any iota of suspicion. It is left on the onus of the alleged corrupt person to prove that he did not partake in any corrupt activity. Though, it is assume that corrupt persons are innocent until proven guilty.

From your post, I will presume that many of us do not understand how corruption is being fought. Some based their indices on conviction rate; others on the factors that create incentives for corrupt practices. Me, I will based mine on the leadership tone set above, because that is what drives and encompasses the urge to curb corruption.

Statements made by the President on corruption are not encouraging and hence, I tend to score his administration poor on the fight against corruption.

Aside that, if we take conviction rate as an indices you will find out that the EFCC is doing little or nothing and hence, the perception index is high (internally and externally).

System controls - The president has said he does not intend to lock up people in jail for corruption but to fight corruption with system. On a honest note, I like this approach because there is also considerable cost savings from prosecuting corrupt offenders (this cost includes; logistics, paper filing, court prosecution, lawyers fees, the use of experts and their fees (forensic auditing); and other miscellaneous cost attached for just one conviction). As revealed, it cost the Britons a huge estimate of money to convict Ibori (I have forgotten the actual figure). So this approach saves cost.

However, system controls can be overridden, especially but those who implemented it (for example, minister of finance, CBN, the president himself, other important aides e.t.c). Also, there may be one or more persons, with knowledge of the system, to collude and circumvent the operative effectiveness of the control system. Finally, system controls may fail.

So like I said previously, an effective fight against corruption, which our eminent president, isn't doing includes and is not just limited to system controls as recommended by the president -

- High leadership integrity and commitment on the fight on corruption
- Effective Anti-corruption Act
- Efficient and effective anti-corruption system controls
- Whistle blowing programs and procedures
- Effective law enforcement agencies to act as a deterrent
- Blacklisting and incarcerating corrupt offenders; by maintaining a good comprehensive list of corrupt offenders and circularizing them regularly.

Even with the above, there will still be droplets of corruption, however, the overall perception and actual corrupt practices will reduce drastically because the risk engaging in corruption will be outrageously higher than the benefit.

Now based on the above, can you honestly admit that President Jonathan is fighting corruption? I intentionally left out the bad attributes of corruption in order not to make my response verbose and also note that I did not insult your person.

Another free consultancy.

Have a great day

Thanks for sharing... I am learning too.

GEJ has never thought of fighting corruption at any given time in his regime.

As much as I am concern,under gej we r really enjoying democracy. Let me tell who cares to listen that worst things than this were happening but we didn't know but thanks to gej who gave us freedom of information, now they steal,now we know. I can boldly put it to you that the fight against stealing and corruption has just started because those who want to steal will have the fear of being exposed and that want to engage in one corrupt act or the other will also be afraid of being exposed. Finally if you ask me I would rather there be continuation.

bokohalal:
Ask them. EFCC that was set up to fight corruption is itself corrupt and only runs after small Yahoo Yahoo boys in Benin city.

4:42pm On Mar 13
babadee1:
Which strong institution exactly is GEJ building? Please name them let us all know


Institutions here aren't agencies...let's read and comprehend before rushing out to criticise....

Whynotthetruth:
4:42pm On Mar 13
babadee1:
Which strong institution exactly is GEJ building? Please name them let us all know


Institutions here aren't agencies...let's read and comprehend before rushing out to criticise....

So are you going to mention the strong institutions that GEJ has been building or not?

Boss13:
I did not insult you but considered the post to be dumb. Even this comment you just made. You do not assume on the premise of statements. We are in a democracy and in a democracy we are guided by the constitution (the highest law in the country). You cannot arrest people without any iota of suspicion. It is left on the onus of the alleged corrupt person to prove that he did not partake in any corrupt activity. Though, it is assume that corrupt persons are innocent until proven guilty.

From your post, I will presume that many of us do not understand how corruption is being fought. Some based their indices on conviction rate; others on the factors that create incentives for corrupt practices. Me, I will based mine on the leadership tone set above, because that is what drives and encompasses the urge to curb corruption.

Statements made by the President on corruption are not encouraging and hence, I tend to score his administration poor on the fight against corruption.

Aside that, if we take conviction rate as an indices you will find out that the EFCC is doing little or nothing and hence, the perception index is high (internally and externally).

System controls - The president has said he does not intend to lock up people in jail for corruption but to fight corruption with system. On a honest note, I like this approach because there is also considerable cost savings from prosecuting corrupt offenders (this cost includes; logistics, paper filing, court prosecution, lawyers fees, the use of experts and their fees (forensic auditing); and other miscellaneous cost attached for just one conviction). As revealed, it cost the Britons a huge estimate of money to convict Ibori (I have forgotten the actual figure). So this approach saves cost.

However, system controls can be overridden, especially but those who implemented it (for example, minister of finance, CBN, the president himself, other important aides e.t.c). Also, there may be one or more persons, with knowledge of the system, to collude and circumvent the operative effectiveness of the control system. Finally, system controls may fail.

So like I said previously, an effective fight against corruption, which our eminent president, isn't doing includes and is not just limited to system controls as recommended by the president -

- High leadership integrity and commitment on the fight on corruption
- Effective Anti-corruption Act
- Efficient and effective anti-corruption system controls
- Whistle blowing programs and procedures
- Effective law enforcement agencies to act as a deterrent
- Blacklisting and incarcerating corrupt offenders; by maintaining a good comprehensive list of corrupt offenders and circularizing them regularly.

Even with the above, there will still be droplets of corruption, however, the overall perception and actual corrupt practices will reduce drastically because the risk engaging in corruption will be outrageously higher than the benefit.

Now based on the above, can you honestly admit that President Jonathan is fighting corruption? I intentionally left out the bad attributes of corruption in order not to make my response verbose and also note that I did not insult your person.

Another free consultancy.

Have a great day

God bless u and punish your enemies.

U have the sense they lack.

gwales:
so gej that have pardoned corrupt officials is now better than the person even his most ardent critics have agreed that he is corrupt free. not forgotten that the president said corruption is not stealing

Ignorance is really bad bro... and most of you aren't ashamed to display theres...Sure, corruption isn't stealing neither in English dictionary nor in our constitution...Punishment for offenders aren't same for them too according to our constitution...

Finally, presidential pardon is for sinners not saints...offenders & criminals NOT good citizens...and it is granted by state council with president as chairman...buhari and other former heads of government as members alongside other APC governors and PDP governors, senate president & others......if any of them objected to the pardon; then it won't be granted...

All of them are corrupt,so how many ika did you want to cut? Yes to a more secure government funds and strenghten of institution. He exposed subsidy,exposed fertilizer scam,he's succeeded in salary scam,working on contract scam soon to be on nnpc scam and with FOI EFCC-ICPC can do their jobs without constraint.

bidex:
I was hoping to see something that will make sense but this does not make a bit of sense to me. There is an adage in Yoruba that says "ika to ba jale ni abe n ge" that means which ever finger that steals the knife cuts.
Look at Ghana today, how did they curb corruption? they did that by killing all the corrupt elites.
Look at china today, who ever that is in charge of public office found guilty of corruption is sentenced to death by hanging or firing squad.

babadee1:
So are you going to mention the strong institutions that GEJ has been building or not?

It has been mentioned here but because you don't understand or read with prejudice; you didn't get it...read again bro from the initial post with open mind this time...

Ask a fish what comes to mind when he hears the name Nigeria, it will say corruption! Everyone knows that the cancer eating at the heart of this country is corruption and since the return to democracy in 1999 every politician running for the top job in the nation, has campaign on the premise of tackling corruption. Yet as we know all too well words are wind, we have seen minimal efforts, token gestures and down right indifference to actually solving this acute Nigerian sickness.

So when something does actually happen and high profile arrests are made and convictions are enforced the whole nation and the greater world takes notice to see whether this is a turning point in this diseased nation. That was the case when Diepreiye Alamieyeisegha was arrested in the UK on money laundering charges in 2005 and later convicted for said crimes. However in an unprecedented move the President Goodluck Ebele Azikiwe Jonathan who happens to be Diepreiye Alamieyeisegha protege pardoned this convicted fraudster on grounds that he had shown sufficient remorse in 2013.

This man that goes on international television to embarrass perennially saying how he inherited a corruption nation and how he is doing his utmost to curb it. In that one act of pardoning a convicted and proven thief President Jonathan has done more to undermine the fight against corruption than any other Head of State in this nation history. But yet it seems Nigerians have short memories, in any other country this one act would render any public figure ostracized and lacking in credibility. To move Nigeria forward we must stymie the flow of unaccounted monies from the coffers at state and national level before we can talk about improving infrastructure and social development, Jonathan has demonstrated his indifference and unwillingness to carry out this critical task.

fellow nairalanders we re in a corrupt country itself so jona has been the president of corruption and is now building an insituiton to cub corruption that has nothing to.do.with him. be ye not decieved the best is been a dictatorship. prisons shouldn't be empty anyway.

dvee2:
Does GEJ fights corruption? Be objective and fair to yourself and answer this question

your grammar bro...

It was sigmund frued that said and I agree "People will obey the law when the consequence of breaking it outways the gain"
This is where GEJ has failed woefully, the thing is curropt officials knows that there is no consequence, during GEJ administration, for curroption, hence the impunity with which curroption has permiated the entire government and the whole country!! Even the few that were caught during OBJ regime were let go with inconsequencial purnishments!

With Buhari's proposer of wistle blower protection law and high handedness on curropt officials, at least people will know that long jail term await curropt officials!. In Nigeria, all that is required is to send few former governors and ministers on a long jail term of minimum of 20 years (Note that this is not unusual in advance countries) and allow the anti-curroption agencies to keep rolling on its own from there!.

Trust Nigerians, we will become law abiding immidiately because that will be enough to send us clear message on the resolve of the new government.

mikeansy:
In the words of Chidoka, the best way to fight corruption is to bring daylight to government activity

The FOI bill championed by this government does that

It is now up to the various institution to do their jobs

We have tried the Buhari way before and it has failed woefully

demandtruth:
...he has a dinning conference for the corrupt; eating and drinking corruption.

Gej can't give what he lacks.
He lacks accountability

I like your moniker...but unfortunately, I am not sure you will know the truth when you see it with what you posted above...

kingthreat:
This opinion doesntmake sense.
Corruption cannot be killed. Its a tendency that can exist in every part of the world. What we need is strong institutions to curtail it.
How has GEJ fought corruption so far? a man who himself is massively corrupt.
And about jails, if you don't think thieves should be jailed, sorry to say but you're extremely gullible.

your grammar bro...what's strong institution in your own understanding.... how can we fight corruption better in Nigeria

slimfit1:
Only a corrupt mind would take substance out of your trash essay. Your text is only valuable in a grave.

have you been to grave before now

dotfam2104:
I think we need to be sincere wiv ourselves. Corruption is being handled wiv kids glove in dz present administration nd we all knw it. I bliv we need a leader dah hz a firm anti-corruption stand. A situation whereby anti corruption institutions nw run afta yahoo boys is height of inefficiency. Dz institutions need to be strenghtened. I bliv corrupt govt officials shld be prosecuted, pple who enrich themselves wiv public funds shld face d consequence.

the gejs wouldn't agree with you since they are comparing a year and some month buhari regime to gejs 5 years of kleptocracy

curiouses:
Olodo. How many years did Buhari serve as head of state? And what was the level of corruption before his government was toppled?

Can you provide facts based on your question above

Whynotthetruth:
It has been mentioned here but because you don't understand or read with prejudice; you didn't get it...read again bro from the initial post with open mind this time...

In other words, nothing. Okay I get you now.

xrisdon:
Buhari promised to kill corruption if elected!

http://leadership.ng/news/417280/ill-kill-corruption-in-nigeria-buhari


But here is my personal submission.....

buhari can never kill corruption!!!

he couldn't kill corruption when he had absolute power as military dictator,
but think he can do it now as a constitutional president, what a joke!!!

first, buhari do not know how to fight corruption! supposing he did know, Nigeria would have been corrupt free by now, because buhari was once a head of state!

secondly, l prefer Gej's way of fighting corruption to that of buhari!

buhari believes in fighting corruption by jailing people with little or no care on the root cause!

while Gej on the other hand believes in building corrupt free system that can last even when he is no longer there!!

but unfortunately most Nigerians prefer action with no result,

for instant, do you know how many people buhari would have sent to jail because of fertilizer scam without solving the problem itself!
but Gej came in change the corrupt system that have been there for years even to the time of buhari,
But now it is impossible for corrupt people to operate with the new system without making too much noise about it.

Buhari will kill corruption by realigning our thinking process towards patriotism and ensuring people see money as material earn through hardworking not by stealing.

xrisdon:
Jim Nwobodo stole nothing compare to father of all corruption Sani Abacha! yet,

Abacha is not corrupt........ Gmb

And the patron saint of all drunkards and thieves pardoned abacha and invited him to join that coven of thieves pdp.

And the patron saint also pardoned Alams. And he refused to take action on moro, odua, orunmah etc.

Dumbo is not fighting corruption. He's propagating it.