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US was minding its business by supplying weapons to all sides, no?

Your retort is just all over the place. And what has Ebola got to do with this? Don't even get started about Ebola and its origin loool.

And aren't white Americans also racist? Ever heard about Tuskegee experiment? Planned parenthood? How about the flooding of black neighbourhoods with crack cocaine and the war in drugs for the mass imprisonment of black people? You mean the same country built by slaves and where tens of thousands of slaves were lynched and a country that once had Jim Crow laws isn't racist? The same country that is still deeply segregated?

Can you cite anywhere in history where Russians enslaved black people?

Your argument is all over the place - stick to the topic.

Sorry if I am all over the place, but you talked about being Afro-pean, which I have no idea what the hell it means. Thousands of people that looked like you were facing the scourge of Ebola just recently, Russia was no where in sight. It never shows up for anything outside of its boarders especially when it comes to rendering assistance. Any wonder why they have very little clout elsewhere besides when it comes to talking about nuclear weapons?

Considering how Russia treats the handful of black people that lives there today, I can only shudder to think about what they will do if they had close to 40 million black people living in their country. One will think that should matter to an [url]Afro-pean[/url], but carry on, I don't want to interrupt you from drooling over Putin as Russia can do no wrong.

golddust6000:
Russia will not fight a conventional war against the USA or NATO. if attacked the first response will be Nuclear. Game over

because they know they can't win a conventional

legacysystems2:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2014/11/13/aegis-fail-in-black-sea-ruskies-burn-down-uss-donald-duck/

[img]http://cdn.ruvr.ru/2014/04/21/1505240080/9RIAN_00185088.LR.ru.jpg[/img]
Photo: RIA Novosti

Editorial note: We are told the story is a month old. If any of this is true, then this is a huge issue, not just the lack of follow up but the lack of follow up itself.

For those of you who have never heard of a magrav, and that includes the scientific community, an Iranian scientist with very unconventional views, is being credited with supplying the technology that did what some day could not be done. We interviewed him about this assertion. Adamus had met with Keshe and the head of our energy program, Jim Hanke along with Mike Harris, has been investigating. I talk with the guy, he is not unreasonable but then again, I am a simple blogger and not a rocket scientist although I do employ rocket scientists or, more appropriately, work “with” them.

There is much more we can write here but suffice it to say that Keshe and his wife were poisoned. Seemingly he has the technology to overcome even that. We do know governments have banned him but are also secretly examining everything he works on. Some of the defense implications projects he has made “open source” were perhaps unseen by him, not by me.g

Russian Sukhoi Su -24 with the newest jamming complex paralyzed in the Black Sea the most modern American combat management system “Aegis” installed on the destroyer “USS Donald Cook”. Pavel Zolotarev, Deputy Director, Institute of USA and Canada, shares details about this version which is being actively discussed in the Russian media and by bloggers.

US destroyer “Donald Cook” with cruise missiles “Tomahawk” entered the neutral waters of the Black Sea on April 10. The purpose was a demonstration of force and intimidation in connection with the position of Russia in Ukraine and Crimea. The appearance of American warships in these waters is in contradiction of the Montreux Convention about the nature and duration of stay in the Black Sea by the military ships of countries not washed by this sea.

In response, Russia sent an unarmed bomber Su- 24 to fly around the U.S. destroyer. However, experts say that this plane was equipped with the latest Russian electronic warfare complex. According to this version, “Aegis” spotted from afar the approaching aircraft, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the screens went blank. “Aegis” was not working any more, and the rockets could not get target information. Meanwhile, Su-24 flew over the deck of the destroyer, did battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times.

Apparently, all efforts to revive the “Aegis” and provide target information for the defence failed. Russia’s reaction to military pressure from the United States was profoundly calm, feels the Russian political scientist Pavel Zolotarev:

The demonstration was original enough. A bomber without any weapons, but having onboard equipment for jamming enemy radar, worked against a destroyer equipped with “Aegis”, the most modern system of air and missile defence. But this system of mobile location, in this case the ship, has a significant drawback. That is, the target tracking capabilities. They work well when there is a number of these ships which can coordinate with each other somehow. In this case there was just one destroyer. And, apparently, the algorithm of the radar in the “Aegis” system on the destroyer did not load under the influence of jamming by the Su-24. It was therefore not only a nervous reaction to the fact of flying around by the Russin bomber which was common practice during the Cold War. The reaction of the Americans was due to the fact that most modern system, especially its informative or radar part, did not work adequately. Therefore, there was such a nervous reaction to the whole episode.

After the incident, the foreign media reported that “Donald Cook” was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship.

What are the possible consequences of the incident provoked by the U.S. in the Black Sea? Pavel Zolotarev forecasts:

I think that Americans are somehow going to reflect on improving the system “Aegis”. This is a purely military aspect. In political terms, there is hardly any likelihood of demonstrative steps by either side. That is enough. Meanwhile, for Americans it is a very unpleasant moment. In general, the missile defence system which they deploy involves huge expenditures. They have to prove each time that it is necessary to allocate funds from the budget. At the same time, the ground component of the ABM was tested in ideal conditions and showed a low efficiency. This fact is concealed by the Pentagon. The most modern component, the sea-based system “Aegis” also showed its shortcomings in the present case.

The system with which the Russian Su-24 shocked the American destroyer “Donald Cook” has the code name “Khibiny”. This is the name of the mountain range on the Kola Peninsula in the Arctic Circle. “Khibiny” is the newest complex for radioelectronic jamming of the enemy. They will be installed on all the advanced Russian planes .

Recently the complex has undergone regular testing exercises on the ground in Buryatia. Apparently, the tests which were conducted under conditions as close to real as possible, were successful.

You know this story is a lie right? Khibiny is not deployed on a Su -24 fencer. It was a rumor that started on Russian forums and has been debunked long time ago.

Khibiny is only installed on Su-30, Su-34 and Su-35!

dadaic:
Story is false.

true. JAPAN is USA ally for a long time. some few years back didn't u witness d drill USA and JAPAN had together when NORTH KOREA was becoming a threat in dat region. go and read up

SpencerLewis:
May be who knows. Is likely. It is usually from one event to the other and then a full scale war is waged. By the so called alliances, it leads to world war. It happened in 1914 and 1939. It can happen now and new world orders will emerge the same way USA and Russia emerged after WW2.
According to Michel Nostradamus(the man who saw his 2row), WW3 will be triggered by an Arabian Prince. He also in his publication called the CENTURY published in 1555, that Russian nuclear weapons and Islamic man power will wage war against the west with the new city(USA) and its man made mountains(towers/sky scrappers) been the 1st target and on that day nothing will save it from been destroyed.
Russian willingness for human sacrifice(as Stalin did in WW2) was the single most important factor that turned the tide against the NAZIs.

u got enough information about happenings not some dumb fvck head dat come online to spill trash. well done man

eddy4naija:
All these noise na wash. the truth still remains dat america and russia cannot go to war with demselves becos both of dem has weapons dat can distroy d whole world several times. So if dem face demself, den u know d kind destruCtion 2 demselfs. i only pity dose european countries who dey back america as if russia want face dem, na complete wipe off from world map.

true. I agree

Usa better not mess with russia.because in a nuclear war,russia will waste us.

Niwdog:
In russia voice "i don't care whom you(usa) are.
Bring it on"

You can say that again... For those who think that the US cwould win a Nuclear war with Russia, must have under estimated or at all, not aware of the spiritual conotations or the cosmic orderliness of these events, and the outcome therefrom..

Please, lets take note of these prophetic utterances as they relate to the much anticipated 3rd world war:

http://americaslastdays..com/p/dumitru-duduman-vision-of-russian.html

http://americaslastdays..com/search/label/Rick%20Joyner%20Japan%20California%20Earthquake

http://wingsofprophecy..com/2011/05/destruction-is-coming-to-america.html

Also consider the Stromberger's prophecy, yohan Johassen's prophecy, known for their accuracies in predition of global events.
and many more... America is on its way to fulfilling this prophecies. A journey that would leave it permanently devastated.

Russian and American should face their troubles and leave us alone because we they Nigerian have a lot of works to do for our country***

sukkot:
[b]Yeah i hear all that but these trolls i got on me is some super high powered demonic trolls who dont sleep. they are there waiting for me now. as soon as i type in there these two demons pounce on it lmao. deez mahfukaz is posessed. either that or they smoke too much weed and they wear off their high by trolling me. but ermm yeah see the bible has several layers to it and it is a journey you get taken on as you explore the book. it is an esoteric text. allegories. its a book of astrology and numerology too. as above so below. when i was frequenting that section i was a step or two above the literal exegesis of the text. now i have gone several levels above that so nobody in there is going to understand what i am talking about. they will think i got demons on me or something not knowing everything in the bible is in the skies. i will give you an example. jesus fed a multitude of people with two fishes. now in the religion section they all think this is a literal text and that 10 thousand people ate two fishes and got satisfied. but it is esoteric, allegory and astrology mixed into it. as above so below. what is represented by two fishes in the heavens above ? the zodiac house called pisces. and what is the element of the zodiac house pisces ? its water. and what is water according to the bible ? water is wisdom and knowledge and doctrine. so jesus feeding a multitude of people two fishes simply means he was preaching to a multitude of people and they all got edified. see how deep it can get ? it works this way for every scripture. its esoteric knowledge. hence why i dont frequent that section like that anymore. folks is still on that literal level 1 knowledge of scriptures. [/b]

Loooool.

Time to consult Holy Ghost fire and Angel Michael/Gabriel to deal with them lol. Jah is bigger than them.

Really and truly though, there is a lot of devilish and demonic ish on this forum, truss bredrin.

[quote author=SirShymexx post=31967954]

You mean the same country that had to wait for the Soviets to destroy over 90% of Nazi's army before joining the 2nd world war would get so brazen to fight a country where no invader has succeeded in modern era, especially one with more than enough capabilities to destroy the planet, in Europe conventionally?

That is it, Sir Shymexx. Some folks still thinks that the US would win a conventional war with Russia, not to mention a nuclear one. No thanks to Hollywood-brainwashing machine, and CIA control-Main Stream Media. Most have forgotten that both nations are almost equal on all fronts in the conventional sense, with new weapons rolling out everyday. Not to mention that a conventional war between US and Russia is most unlikely, thus leaving the nuclear option, for which you and I know who is on the lead. And we have'nt even mention secret weapons that can manipulate weather and cause artificial natural disasters (stomberger stated this in his prophecy on world war 3. And You can guess who have them).

The fact that the US had recorded success in wars but mostly against hapless or overly inferior nations like Nicaragua, Panama, Iraq, Libya , etc, has made some of these folks ( some, out of genuin reasons, and for others, is simply out of zombification) believed in, and dream about a US/NATO anihilation of Russia-the biblical Gog. It is only when those secret weapons and nuclear bombs will start to drop, that they would wake out of their SICK DREAM. Just that by then, it may be too late.. For Russia is here to stay, even unto the end of days..

The US military also lack a lot of capabilities - and it needs Europe for most of it. However, most European countries aren't even militarily strong at the moment - apart from the UK to an extent, and maybe France. A scathing expose came out about German military last month - don't bet ya money on the Germans cos their military is almost in comatose right now. The rest of Europe sucks.

The whole tank movement is just unnecessary posturing from the yanks to militarise Europe - they're not brave enough. They know they have a better chance taking on China right now, than Russia. Even that is never going to happen.

The Europe (most especially the EU) that will know is a continent 'endowed' with zombified leaders who are readily willing to propagate US imperial interest, even to the detriment of its own people and security. Germany, for instance, is a US colony, and so do most members of the EU that have US puppets as their national leaders.
I have never seen a body that is so politicaly myopic as the EU, because once the bombs starts to fly, it then would be too late that they (the EU) have helped in creating a scenario of unprecedented proportionate repercussion. It is Europe that would suffer most from the event of a nuclear holocaust, the outcome of which even the likes of Stromberger, Johansson, Nostradimus, William Braham, Rick Joyner etc (in their respective prophectic utterances on the destruction of America-world war 3,) could not find enough words to describe it.
No thanks to the pathetic thinking faculties of Europe's ruling 1%ters elites, and coupled with the sinful and abominable state of evil mankind has degenerated into.

America and Europe in focus. The centre of all evil. I weep for Europe.

As for US movement of tanks to the baltics and other parts of Europe, it makes no difference, nor can it serve as a game changer. Just like what the Russian Defence Minister said,
'' we would take care of that with ONE misile'' (refering to the US shield and weapon platforms in Poland and Co).
In short, i can almost feel the agonising ghosts of Hitler and Napoleon exclainming from hell
'' no no, back, backkkkkkk...''!!!! as they try desperately to get theit message accross to the craze goons in the White house, just if only they could come back from the dead, even for two minutes..

But it appears it is too late..

Prophecies must be fulfilled..

World war 3 will surely occur, and one thing is certain..

THE UNITED STATE WILL BE DESTROYED!

However, the main question is, having befor hand know all these, how are we prepare for the SECOND COMING OF THE SON OF MAN?

SirShymexx:
Loooool.

Time to consult Holy Ghost fire and Angel Michael/Gabriel to deal with them lol. Jah is bigger than them.

Really and truly though, there is a lot of devilish and demonic ish on this forum, truss bredrin.

yeah you aint never lied

SirShymexx:
Yanks are brawns - and they make too many boneheaded mistakes during wars. Coupled with the type of training their marines get and it all about shooting everything in sight. Their soldiers also always lose morale so easily when the going gets tough and start panicking. Their doctrine is also very watery and dependent on heavy weapons.

The UK saved their ar.ses during both the Gulf and Balkan wars. Their only adventure without Europe in Vietnam ended in a disaster, with mofos crying everywhere.

You can say that again.. The yanks prefers bombing from afar, but whatever successes they have recorded on that scale, is limited, not just only to a strong air projective capability, but to a very large extent, the inferiority of the opponent that is on the recieving end, especially when such nations/opponents did not recieve equal or better armament from another superior nation on par with the US, to atleast, curtail or balance the equation, or create a fair playing-ground, even if it does'nt ensure victory at the end.

Take for instance the Soviet covert help for the Vietnamese, and the result was that the Yanks got beaten right, left and centre. The favour was also returned by the yanks during the Soviet vs Afghan war..

However, the over reliance of the US on larger weapons and air power, is the greatest factor limiting its capability. Take that out, and you would have a whimpering US army whose ground troops specialty is only to shoot at anything that moves, be it babies, women, and even animals...
The Vietnamese were able to disrupt US air power, and we all know what happened after that.

And now, faced with a Russian and Chinese powerful air defence systems,(not forgeting the S300, S400 and now, S500 air defence systems that is sending shivers down the spine of Isreal and the US, on possible supply to Syria and Iran) one wonder what they can do with their ground forces against a Russian and say, Chinese ground troops, that over time, have proved to be very skilled, formidable and better motivated on 'Earth wars'.


On the navy front-- dont even go there.. Its been reported that Russia now have attached to its balistic missiles a new capability that supposely renders useless the Aegis Defence System installed on all American fleight carriers and ships. Infact, there was a time when a Russian bomber capped with this said capability apprached the US navy ship(name forgotten now) and disabled the much touted Aegis system, meaning, it simply could have blown it to shreds. Not to mention the fact that the US Navy have confessed that they can't even detect and track most of Russia sub-marines, which they dubbed as ''black holes''. Yet, the Russians say they are not enough and are rolling out new ones that are designed to be more 'invisible' when submerge..

On this note, the yankees stand little chance of success in a conventional ground, but i can bet my money on them once it involves ''chaos'' and outright war crimes..
You may want to ask the thousands of thousands of women, children, papas and mamas, even dogs and fowls, targeted and murdered in cold blood, and of course, civilian houses and hospitals, etc, that were intentionaly bombed and gased up in places like Panama, Iraq, Vietnam, Serbia etc... And now, Ukraine..

The only problem is that, DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES...and so you may find no one to ask, except some of the veterans that returns home and later spill the beans, as they could no longer grabble with their nagging and accusing conscience..

Those who are underestimating Russia militarily are doing so to their own peril..

GBTYO:
Income tax rates in Canada are higher than that in the US.

Only corporate taxes are higher in the US.


https://www.taxpolicycenter.org/briefing-book/background/numbers/images/The-Numbers-Jan-2012-International_1.gif

I really hope you know the difference between 'Tax as a share of GDP' and income tax. They are apples and oranges. Income tax is higher in the U.S. compare to Canada and that is public knowledge. Plus, if you are US dual citizen, you are also required to pay taxes on foreign incomes, and the only way out for many is to renounce US citizenship.

SirShymexx:
US was minding its business by supplying weapons to all sides, no?

Your retort is just all over the place. And what has Ebola got to do with this? Don't even get started about Ebola and its origin loool.

And aren't white Americans also racist? Ever heard about Tuskegee experiment? Planned parenthood? How about the flooding of black neighbourhoods with crack cocaine and the war in drugs for the mass imprisonment of black people? You mean the same country built by slaves and where tens of thousands of slaves were lynched and a country that once had Jim Crow laws isn't racist? The same country that is still deeply segregated?

Can you cite anywhere in history where Russians enslaved black people

Your argument is all over the place - stick to the topic.

Shymex, if I were you I will stop commenting on nairaland, most especially on this russia/america issue. Most folks here may not comprehend properly with your line of reasoning. I can see you are more enlightened in history, geopolitics, and military studies than 99% of the comments on nairaland, and it will serve you a whole lot of good if you can check other forums where there are people who have equivalent knowledge in geopolitcs, but definitely not on nairaland.

Mind you, I speak to you this way, because I've followed your topics or posts most especially on international topics for almost a year and I speak from experience.

castrogee:
Shymex, if I were you I will stop commenting on nairaland, most especially on this russia/america issue. Most folks here may not comprehend properly with your line of reasoning. I can see you are more enlightened in history, geopolitics, and military studies than 99% of the comments on nairaland, and it will serve you a whole lot of good if you can check other forums where there are people who have equivalent knowledge in geopolitcs, but definitely not on nairaland.

Mind you, I speak to you this way, because I've followed your topics or posts most especially on international topics for almost a year and I speak from experience.

Thanks, Sir.

Henceforth, I think I will stop doing that.

Appleyard:
You can say that again.. The yanks prefers bombing from afar, but whatever successes they have recorded on that scale, is limited, not just only to a strong air projective capability, but to a very large extent, the inferiority of the opponent that is on the recieving end, especially when such nations/opponents did not recieve equal or better armament from another superior nation on par with the US, to atleast, curtail or balance the equation, or create a fair playing-ground, even if it does'nt ensure victory at the end.

Take for instance the Soviet covert help for the Vietnamese, and the result was that the Yanks got beaten right, left and centre. The favour was also returned by the yanks during the Soviet vs Afghan war..

However, the over reliance of the US on larger weapons and air power, is the greatest factor limiting its capability. Take that out, and you would have a whimpering US army whose ground troops specialty is only to shoot at anything that moves, be it babies, women, and even animals...
The Vietnamese were able to disrupt US air power, and we all know what happened after that.

And now, faced with a Russian and Chinese powerful air defence systems,(not forgeting the S300, S400 and now, S500 air defence systems that is sending shivers down the spine of Isreal and the US, on possible supply to Syria and Iran) one wonder what they can do with their ground forces against a Russian and say, Chinese ground troops, that over time, have proved to be very skilled, formidable and better motivated on 'Earth wars'.


On the navy front-- dont even go there.. Its been reported that Russia now have attached to its balistic missiles a new capability that supposely renders useless the Aegis Defence System installed on all American fleight carriers and ships. Infact, there was a time when a Russian bomber capped with this said capability apprached the US navy ship(name forgotten now) and disabled the much touted Aegis system, meaning, it simply could have blown it to shreds. Not to mention the fact that the US Navy have confessed that they can't even detect and track most of Russia sub-marines, which they dubbed as ''black holes''. Yet, the Russians say they are not enough and are rolling out new ones that are designed to be more 'invisible' when submerge..

On this note, the yankees stand little chance of success in a conventional ground, but i can bet my money on them once it involves ''chaos'' and outright war crimes..
You may want to ask the thousands of thousands of women, children, papas and mamas, even dogs and fowls, targeted and murdered in cold blood, and of course, civilian houses and hospitals, etc, that were intentionaly bombed and gased up in places like Panama, Iraq, Vietnam, Serbia etc... And now, Ukraine..

The only problem is that, DEAD MEN TELL NO TALES...and so you may find no one to ask, except some of the veterans that returns home and later spill the beans, as they could no longer grabble with their nagging and accusing conscience..

Those who are underestimating Russia militarily are doing so to their own peril..

Thanks bro.

All of them need more enlightenment about history and global dynamics.

Too much MSM lool.

[quote author=IykeD1 post=31996670]

Thousands of people that looked like you were facing the scourge of Ebola just recently, Russia was no where in sight. It never shows up for anything outside of its boarders especially when it comes to rendering assistance. Any wonder why they have very little clout elsewhere besides when it comes to talking about nuclear weapons?

You are dead wrong! Because, during the rampaging chaotic period of the Ebola epidemic, Russia, like most other well meaning nations, fully supported a UN Resolution 2177 aimed at curtailing, if not eradicating, the virus, and thus, provided financial support to some of the most affected areas.
The Russian Federation for instance, contributed bilaterally and multilaterally, financing medical modules through WHO to treat 60,000 people. A specialist Russian anti-epidemic brigade had been deployed to Guinea, which was assisting the Health Ministry by building and equipping treatment centres and in organizing activities to stem the epidemic and diagnose the virus. Personal protection equipment were also dispatched for health-care volunteers, as well as food assistance given to the three most affected countries. The virus was being studied in the Russian Federation, with trials for treatment, and supply laboratories were evident in the area of the outbreak, such as in Guinea.

http://www.un.org/press/en/2014/sc11566.doc.htm

http://www.mid.ru/brp_4.nsf/0/E9D756BB4BA9BDEB44257D73005A07F2

http://m.rbth.com/news/2015/01/17/russia_opens_ebola_center_in_guinea_42952.html

If these are not help enough, i wonder what else could amount to help in your own view.

And you willfully or say, unknowingly, refrained from mentioning that, at the first instance, when nations were busy gearing up to render the little help they could muster, your ''United State of Thieves'' was busy deploying some few troops to Liberia and Sierre leone, (to shoot Ebola, right? Or simply to secure the Diamond interest. Hm?)
Neither did you notice or refused to believe that the same US refused to help your own Nigeria with their Ebola trial vaccine, for no good reasons. But when the same virus paid the US a ''courtsey call'' of death, they shamelessly rushed down to Nigeria to study how we were able to tackle and defeat the Virus..

Very pathetic!

Considering how Russia treats the handful of black people that lives there today, I can only shudder to think about what they will do if they had close to 40 million black people living in their country. One will think that should matter to an [url]Afro-pean[/url], but carry on, I don't want to interrupt you from drooling over Putin as Russia can do no wrong.

Yes! Some, if not Most part of Russia, are very unfriendly and dangerous towards black people. But what difference does it make? Racism is a universal issue, though more extreme in some places when comepared with others. And come to think of it; blacks that are suppose to be 'bonafide' citizens in the US of A, are being killed right, left and centre, by security operatives of white origin , stemming from racial profiling, segregation and Class-i-fi-cation.

We all know that the US justice system is a Class-based system.

Hence, its less or more a matter of the pot calling the kettle black.

appleyard,

Too many half truths in your posts.

The Russian plane that buzzed USS donald cook did not jam the Ageis system. That was a hoax made up by the Russian press.

Will deal with the other half truths later

Missy89:
appleyard,

Too many half truths in your posts.

The Russian plane that buzzed USS donald cook did not jam the Ageis system. That was a hoax made up by the Russian press.

Will deal with the other half truths later

A Russian forum hoax,@missy? Alright, what is your source on this?
Half truths you said... Alright, bring them on. We are learning everyday.. I will be waiting...

Thanks!

Appleyard:
A Russian forum hoax,@missy? Alright, what is your source on this?
Half truths you said... Alright, bring them on. We are learning everyday.. I will be waiting...

Thanks!

The USS Donald cook story was just an internet rumor that was pick up by Putin fan boys. No truth in it

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2015/02/16/blind_and_conquer_top_5_russian_radio_electronic_warfare_systems_41393.html

US reliance on overwhelming air bombardment is to demoralize the enemy and destroy its will to fight doesn't mean they dont know how to fight on the ground since you cannot win in the air alone anyway.
A war with Russia and China will be catastrophic yes but Americans are not Arabs, they know how to fight! The Russians and the Chinese will not want a direct confrontation was well.

US troops might have been bugged down in the middle east but that doesn't mean it is because the troops and ineffective. There is more to war than shooting guns and comparing weapons systems. The adversary has chosen chaos as their main strategy and the US military will have to get used to it.
http://strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pubs/parameters/Articles/02summer/liotta.htm

US conventional strength is far superior and both nations as still trying to catch up.

SirShymexx:
You mean the same Germany that expelled high ranking CIA officials from its country? The same Germany that US is spying on and occupying? Did you read the damning article in German newspapers this year about the US anti-Russia sentiments at the EU is hurting Germany? And didn't the former German chancellor travel to Moscow to celebrate his birthday with Putin?

Also, all those countries are just after US' money and big bribes. Didn't the Polish finance minister saying so many unpleasant things about the US a few months ago in a leaked phone conversation? Behind closed doors - they all know they are better off with Russia but the lure of the west for their elites is the problem. Those countries need to stay where they are - they're a burden on Western Europe.

Which country expanded further East with NATO after it promised never to do so when the Berlin Walls came down?

Maybe you dont know but countries spy on each other. You might want to write that down.

The Polish minister can say anything but everyone knows who they will run to should they run into problem.
The Polish cannot stand the russians. Go to Poland and ask. They still see the russians as "occupants".

No country on earth is better off with Russia cos aside money and gas (and they cant do this forever) it has nothing else to give. Technology- zero. First class products- zero. and Please name one country that Russia as developed? Chechnya? Abkhazia? Dagestan?
heck even Batia (yep, that big Belorussian president) told pukin off.

Naturally, Russia should NOT be at loggerheads with Ukraine unless something is fundamentally wrong and that is exactly the case here.
Russia is trying hard to regain its influence but nobody will allow it. That's why the only language they speak now is "aggression"

FBS:
Maybe you dont know but countries spy on each other. You might want to write that down.

The Polish minister can say anything but everyone knows who they will run to should they run into problem.
The Polish cannot stand the russians. Go to Poland and ask. They still see the russians as "occupants".

No country on earth is better off with Russia cos aside money and gas (and they cant do this forever) it has nothing else to give. Technology- zero. First class products- zero. and Please name one country that Russia as developed? Chechnya? Abkhazia? Dagestan?
heck even Batia (yep, that big Belorussian president) told pukin off.

Naturally, Russia should NOT be at loggerheads with Ukraine unless something is fundamentally wrong and that is exactly the case here.
Russia is trying hard to regain its influence but nobody will allow it. That's why the only language they speak now is "aggression"

Russia technology is not Zero. Far from it. You should read up Russian inventions and science. One of the best in world actually. There are many reasons why Russian technology have not taken off commercially unlike the west. It has more to do with the political, and cultural factors of the country. take a look at tetris for example. If was a huge success in the west in the 80s but the inventor had to sneak it out of the Soviet union and got paid for the royalties way later after the USSR went burst. Russians generally celebrate their scientists as scientist and not as entrepreneurs. That has to do with the legacy of the Communism where getting rich quick with intellectual property was not a thing. another example is Alexander Prokhorov and Nikolai Basov that got the nobel prize for laser technology invention but never commercialized it.

Fracking that is being used in the west today was a Russian idea. Russian scientists published the idea way back in the 60s but never really used, patent or commercialized it(I can keep going). The situation is just beginning to change now that Investors and IT based technology for profit is beginning to to be in vogue among the younger generation. Now we see stuffs like Yotaphone , Kapersky etc. It will take a while for most Russian scientists to have the same mentality like their counterparts in the west to make a quick buck off every invention or patent all their works and for a huge investor community to invest in most Russian tech like the silicon valley.

Point is Institutions, culture, and tradition do matter for technology to be successful. The Russian military industrial complex has been competitive that should tell you something. Afterall, most of the commercialized techs today are developed by the MICs (commercial airline, power plants, Internet, Microwave, Gps, synthetic rubber, duck tape,etc). The difference is while western commercial markets have been able to take advantage of the Military largess pumped into their universities R & D labs and made lots of money with it, the Institutions in Russia prevented it because free market or knowledge industries do not exist in a communist country.

Apart from trying to be influential in Eastern Europe, There are legitimate economic and security interest for Russia in Ukraine. The country produce most of Russia military spare parts (The Russians can produce it but they prefer to ship it from Ukraine as a way to subsidize the Ukrainian economy. They are abandoning those industries and building their own plant on Russian territory now however). America is going to get the same thing Russia is currently experiencing in Ukraine. Since the 90s, The Russians have fed, subsidized and pampered Ukraine with many incentives but all this largess was in the hands of the few. The US/EU will do the same thing for a while and wont get their money's worth .Just a matter of time.

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The USS Donald cook story was just an internet rumor that was pick up by Putin fan boys. No truth in it

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2015/02/16/blind_and_conquer_top_5_russian_radio_electronic_warfare_systems_41393.html

It is imperative that i thank you for this link. I have been looking for such that contains infos on Russian electronics capabilities.

Now, i percieve that what informed your opinion that the USS ship jamming claim was not true, could be as a result of the fact that the Khibiny jammer was not officialy stated as deployed on the Su-24 type of bombers (as evident in the link you posted above.) If thats the case, i must admit you just nailed home your point.

However, looking at it from another angle, not withstanding the West's habit of non reporting or 'doctoring' of the actual as it relate to such events that does'nt fit their 'mapped out' naratives and objectivity, many tends to follow the line of most of these alternative media bodies (the likes of which you called Putin fan boys, though many of them are actually truthseekers, or ''middle seaters,'' not actually Putin's fan boys) because, unlike most of the Corporate Main Stream Media, most are privately independent from States under cover control and blind reporting.

And when you take into consideration the fact that the US openly complained in the wake of the event that took place between the USS Cook and the Russian jet, one would see that certain facts conote some questions, which in turn, beg for answers.
For instance, this is'nt the first time this type of thing is happening at sea, and NEVER were
the CREW on board on such any encounter with Russia planes ''EVER BEEN DEMORALIZED.'' (though this also has been debunk as false)
But for the plane to make not just 1, 2 or 3 (at the most) simulation passes, but A WHOLE 12 in a row, and the Yankees did nothing about it? Except you wana say they were ENJOYING THE SHOW. And come to think of it, since when did a Russian pilot develop ''Mike Tyson's ball'' of steel that gave him the ''audacity'' to make TWELVE buzzing simulation fly-pass attack on a US formidable ship as this? is the pilot on drugs or an alien? (just wondering aloud.)
And the fact that the US complained aloud (when this is nothing new to them,) and where even ''forced'' to ''Mentained'' that the Donald Cook was more than ''capable'' to ''defend'' itself, speaks volume of what actually transpired over there.(who asked Warren if the ship can or can't defend itself?) Plus the fact that, Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up (not even a mention of the encounter, let alone the jamming theory on most MSM headlines) despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again. I dont know if this has changed, though.

Now, on the question whether the Su-24 was fitted with the khibiny device, i can't realy confirm that becuase, the Russians at times could be shrewed and very secrective when they want to be, especially on matters as this.
Not withstanding though, the Su-24 along with the Su-35, and Su-30, was use in the Buriyata training where the Khiniby was attached to some of d planes, and it is possible that it was also attached to the Su-24. (honestly, i cant confirm it)

One thingTthough, is that the Su 24 is actually a rather old, in terms of combat aircraft, plane that has been modified to perform electronic intelligence missions (Elint) and obviously is quite good at it. Hence, the possibility that it actually occurred.

Though, am not taking this line . Hook and sinker, the position of the alternate media, and even my own postulations, because i also maybe wrong, neither will i simply dismiss this nor believe the US own account, knowing how terrific they are when it comes to telling LIES.

A war with Russia and China will be catastrophic yes but Americans are not Arabs, they know how to fight! The Russians and the Chinese will not want a direct confrontation was well.

Yes! It is true they know how to fight. But when you purposely target civilian population and bombed them into oblivion, or in the name of a strategy called ''chaos,'' is indeed, a way to fight. Am still wondering how they can fight real targets by the time they have no more buildings or villages to anihilate. Little wonder they usually struggled whenever they put boots on the ground.
So much for a ''chaotic strategy.''

US conventional strength is far superior and both nations as still trying to catch up.

yes, but only in numbers. I still believe there is hardly anything the US have the Russians dont have. The difference being in numbers. And what they lack in numbers, they have made up for in advancement in other areas. For instance, the US have alot way ahead in fleet carriers, but Russia counters with missiles and Jamming devices.

Missy89:
Russia technology is not Zero. Far from it. You should read up Russian inventions and science. One of the best in world actually. There are many reasons why Russian technology have not taken off commercially unlike the west. It has more to do with the political, and cultural factors of the country. take a look at tetris for example. If was a huge success in the west in the 80s but the inventor had to sneak it out of the Soviet union and got paid for the royalties way later after the USSR went burst. Russians generally celebrate their scientists as scientist and not as entrepreneurs. That has to do with the legacy of the Communism where getting rich quick with intellectual property was not a thing. another example is Alexander Prokhorov and Nikolai Basov that got the nobel prize for laser technology invention but never commercialized it.

Fracking that is being used in the west today was a Russian idea. Russian scientists published the idea way back in the 60s but never really used, patent or commercialized it(I can keep going). The situation is just beginning to change now that Investors and IT based technology for profit is beginning to to be in vogue among the younger generation. Now we see stuffs like Yotaphone , Kapersky etc. It will take a while for most Russian scientists to have the same mentality like their counterparts in the west to make a quick buck off every invention or patent all their works and for a huge investor community to invest in most Russian tech like the silicon valley.

Point is Institutions, culture, and tradition do matter for technology to be successful. The Russian military industrial complex has been competitive that should tell you something. Afterall, most of the commercialized techs today are developed by the MICs (commercial airline, power plants, Internet, Microwave, Gps, synthetic rubber, duck tape,etc). The difference is while western commercial markets have been able to take advantage of the Military largess pumped into their universities R & D labs and made lots of money with it, the Institutions in Russia prevented it because free market or knowledge industries do not exist in a communist country.

Apart from trying to be influential in Eastern Europe, There are legitimate economic and security interest for Russia in Ukraine. The country produce most of Russia military spare parts (The Russians can produce it but they prefer to ship it from Ukraine as a way to subsidize the Ukrainian economy. They are abandoning those industries and building their own plant on Russian territory now however). America is going to get the same thing Russia is currently experiencing in Ukraine. Since the 90s, The Russians have fed, subsidized and pampered Ukraine with many incentives but all this largess was in the hands of the few. The US/EU will do the same thing for a while and wont get their money's worth .Just a matter of time.

Thank you very much for this apt analysis. Another technological power people aren't paying attention to is Germany. Just reading about the number of scientist who fled to the Americas during the reign of Hitler, their discoveries and inventions is enough to cause a migraine. Their exploit in sustainable energy, especially Helium-3 is going to revolutionize the Defense Industry.

Die Deutschen sind brillante Menschen.