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pickabeau1:
[s]You remind me of a bull in a China shop
You just come in
Make no points argue here
Cuss there
Then now say u have a point?
What point are u even talking about
U just jumped in....no contextual basis
Clownish jumper[/s]

You are a confirmed 1diot.

I am embarrassed that I even engaged you. I don't think anyone is shocked that you couldn't defend your stupid claims; what an undiluted dim-wit!

njokusboy:
well feminism has been known to cause hurricane, not literally though, "family hurricane", "abortion hurricane" and other hurricanes too numerous to mention...
feminism has also contributed to the spread of HIV, yall support faggotry which is the origin of HIV, at least the origin of HIV can be traced from there and backwards...
feminism also causes skin cancer, women have become more individualistic because of feminism, you have told women they can do whatever they please with their body, consequently,they have resorted to using assorted varieties of skin bleaching creams.... bleaching creams cause skin cancer
a number of accidents have occurred because of feminism, men have committed suicide and murder because of their feminist wives, children have been neglected, even mother in laws are not safe.... some have received variable degrees of injuries, black eyes, fractures etc

feminism is an evil that must be eliminated from our societies, if left unattended, it could bring the world to ruins, or worse, to an end.....

LML!

You are being sarcastic, right?? This is Nairaland oh, one can't be too sure

Stillfire:
Nope. I hope I am talking to a Christian, otherwise do not waste my time. You are called to live with such qualities on earth as well as in heaven.
Where did I accept hierarchy on earth?
Hierarchy was never the original plan of God. It was as a result of a curse.



We have had this discussion before. Bible scholars say Paul mediated over various matters that may arise in each church and he set guidelines for each church to follow. The book of corithinans, is actually the book for the church in corinthians. If the women of corinth were troublesome, it doesn't mean women in Antioch were. That was the way he settled the matter for the people of corinth. That is why christianity permits both men and women to preach.

So Paul's teachings in 1 and 2 Cor applies only to the church in Corinth

So the body being the temple of the Lord is only for corinthians

I would have laughed but this pick and choose method is really dangerous

Can you guys leave the bible out of this feminist stuff


On your first statement
You are right about the curse however God deemed Adam accountable for the transgression by asking him
The woman was a help
Yes she was cursed but she was meant to help the man

U can't twist that

crackhaus:
Love your neighbor as yourself is not equality, it's equity.

Equality aims to promote fairness and justice, but
it can only work if everyone starts from the same place and needs the same things.

Equity aims to promote fairness and justice, despite our obvious differences and needs.

Equity o, equality o, all grammatical jargon to make you sleep well at night! As far as a man is NOT defined as being superior to a woman.

According to the UN

Equality between women and men (gender equality): refers to the equal rights, responsibilities and opportunities of women and men and girls and boys. Equality does not mean that women and men will become the same but that women’s and men’s rights, responsibilities and opportunities will not depend on whether they are born male or female. Gender equality implies that the interests, needs and priorities of both women and men are taken into consideration, recognizing the diversity of different groups of women and men. Gender equality is not a women’s issue but should concern and fully engage men as well as women.

Shollypopzz:
[s]
You are a confirmed 1diot.

I am embarrassed that I even engaged you. I don't think anyone is shocked that you couldn't defend your stupid claims; what an undiluted dim-wit! [/s]

Classic
When they have nothing of value to add they resort to insult
Default mode

Shollypopzz:
LML!

You are being sarcastic, right?? This is Nairaland oh, one can't be too sure

pickabeau1:
Classic
When they have nothing of value to add they resort to insult
Default mode

LMAO! Is this guy kidding me? Who insulted who first??

Define a real feminist, dummy. All these clueless beings that know nothing about feminism, yet are the first ones to say who a fake feminist is. Oya, define now. Olodo.

@TV01: Respond to my post, so I don't have to engage this mor0n anymore.

Shollypopzz:
LMAO! Is this guy kidding me? Who insulted who first??

Define a real feminist, dummy. All these clueless beings that know nothing about feminism, yet are the first ones to say who a fake feminist is. Oya, define now. Olodo.

@TV01: Respond to my post, so I don't have to engage this mor0n anymore.

Woman
Read ur Posts and answer that question
Insults are your trademark

Stillfire:
Maybe we can borrow a smile from these women that respected their husbands and were very happy then. see the one on the far right, rotflmao.

https://www.randafricanart.com/images/Yoruba_women_photo.jpg

...rotflol!!!...obviously their 'happiness' no get part two..

pickabeau1:
Woman
Read ur Post and answer that question
Insults are your trademark

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Shollypopzz:
You are a confirmed 1diot.

I am embarrassed that I even engaged you. I don't think anyone is shocked that you couldn't defend your stupid claims; what an undiluted dim-wit!

..ouch!!

njokusboy:
plus, she thinks feminism has got nothing to do with marriage
she also thinks her husband is the head
nd she is a christian

coco would be better off making egusi soup and pounded yam in a small restaurant.......

[img]http://theoverlookedonlookers.files./2013/11/shock-bird.gif[/img]

Stillfire: We have had this discussion before. Bible scholars say Paul mediated over various matters that may arise in each church and he set guidelines for each church to follow. The book of corithinans, is actually the book for the church in corinthians. If the women of corinth were troublesome, it doesn't mean women in Antioch were. That was the way he settled the matter for the people of corinth. That is why christianity permits both men and women to preach.

permit me to say those bible scholars are fraudulent. what may arise in each church would never have surfaced in the bible as the general laws. maybe loving one neighbour as one's self only applies to the church in philistine - and tithing shouldn't even apply at all for nigerians, it was meant for the church in samaria.

stillfire, you are better than this.

I see you've resorted to gifs

So typical

Your persistent diarhoeaa of the mouth has run its course

pickabeau1:
So Paul's teachings in 1 and 2 Cor applies only to the church in Corinth

So the body being the temple of the Lord is only for corinthians

I would have laughed but this pick and choose method is really dangerous

Can you guys leave the bible out of this feminist stuff


On your first statement
You are right about the curse however God deemed Adam accountable for the transgression by asking him
The woman was a help
Yes she was cursed but she was meant to help the man

U can't twist that

I did not bring the bible into it. But if you people want to debate the bible, I will gladly, gladly oblige.
There were times when Paul spoke by the spirit, and their were times when he spoke by his own volition.
Attending to petty squabbles in the church was one of it. People forget the disciples were men and there were times when the disciples had to debate among themselves!
God is our helper, it doesn't mean we are superior to God.
The bible was translated from hebrew to greek to english. Words lose their meaning after each translation. The English language does not translate the word helpmate very well. It is derived from the root word 'ezer kenegdo', which translates to something of deeper meaning.

It means something far more powerful than just "helper"; it means "lifesaver." The phrase is only used elsewhere of God, when you need him to come through for you desperately. "There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you

The case that begins to build is that we can be sure that `ezer means "strength" or "power" whenever it is used in parallelism with words for majesty or other words for power such as `oz or `uzzo. In fact, the presence of two names for one king, Azariah and Uzziah, both referring to God's strength, makes it abundantly clear that the root `ezer meaning "strength" was known in Hebrew.
(R. David Freedman, "Woman, a Power Equal to a Man," Biblical Archaeology Review 9 [1983]: 56-58).

Therefore, we conclude that Genesis 2:18 be translated as "I will make a power [or strength] corresponding to man." Freedman even suggests on the basis of later Hebrew that the second word in the Hebrew expression found in this verse should be rendered equal to him. If so, then God makes for the man a woman fully his equal and fully his match. In this way, the man's loneliness will be assuaged.

God's initial plan was never to create an hierarchy. It was a curse. And all curses shall be broken through the blood of Jesus Christ!

coogar:
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permit me to say those bible scholars are fraudulent. what may arise in each church would never have surfaced in the bible as the general laws. maybe loving one neighbour as one's self only applies to the church in philistine - and tithing shouldn't even apply at all for nigerians, it was meant for the church in samaria.

stillfire, you are better than this.

Ohhh, So I should believe the sinful coogar on NL, than bible scholars hahaha! You too you are better than this.
Yes tithing should not apply either, are Nigerians levites?

Stillfire:
I did not bring the bible into it. But if you people want to debate the bible, I will gladly, gladly oblige.
There were times when Paul spoke by the spirit, and their were times when he spoke by his own volition.
Attending to petty squabbles in the church was one of it. People forget the disciples were men and there were times when the disciples had to debate among themselves!
God is our helper, it doesn't mean we are superior to God.
The bible was translated from hebrew to greek to english. Words lose their meaning after each translation. The English language does not translate the word helpmate very well. It is derived from the root word 'ezer kenegdo', which translates to something of deeper meaning.

It means something far more powerful than just "helper"; it means "lifesaver." The phrase is only used elsewhere of God, when you need him to come through for you desperately. "There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you

The case that begins to build is that we can be sure that `ezer means "strength" or "power" whenever it is used in parallelism with words for majesty or other words for power such as `oz or `uzzo. In fact, the presence of two names for one king, Azariah and Uzziah, both referring to God's strength, makes it abundantly clear that the root `ezer meaning "strength" was known in Hebrew.
(R. David Freedman, "Woman, a Power Equal to a Man," Biblical Archaeology Review 9 [1983]: 56-58).

Therefore, we conclude that Genesis 2:18 be translated as "I will make a power [or strength] corresponding to man." Freedman even suggests on the basis of later Hebrew that the second word in the Hebrew expression found in this verse should be rendered equal to him. If so, then God makes for the man a woman fully his equal and fully his match. In this way, the man's loneliness will be assuaged.

God's initial plan was never to create an hierarchy. It was a curse. And all curses shall be broken through the blood of Jesus Christ!

i agree it was never in the plan to create hierarchy. eve's stupidïty queered the pitch for the woman and the man was placed above her.

the curses cannot be broken through the blood of Jesus. there's a consequence for every sin even if it has been forgiven. the curse God placed on man & woman still exists. even pastor's wives go through excruciating labour pains.

Stillfire:
Ohhh, So I should believe the sinful coogar on NL, than bible scholars hahaha! You too you are better than this.
Yes tithing should not apply either, are Nigerians levites?

i may not have a pastor's collar around my neck but i know the bible like the back of my hand. paul was inspired by the spirit to write those chapters. he would never have included church squabbles of individual towns to apply as the general rule.

apostle paul might loved his red wine but he's not silly. in those days, women have no rights than to breed & serve their husbands. they were not given a voice anywhere public - all their protests started & must stop in their husband's house.

Stillfire:
I did not bring the bible into it. But if you people want to debate the bible, I will gladly, gladly oblige.
There were times when Paul spoke by the spirit, and their were times when he spoke by his own volition.
Attending to petty squabbles in the church was one of it. People forget the disciples were men and there were times when the disciples had to debate among themselves!
God is our helper, it doesn't mean we are superior to God.
The bible was translated from hebrew to greek to english. Words lose their meaning after each translation. The English language does not translate the word helpmate very well. It is derived from the root word 'ezer kenegdo', which translates to something of deeper meaning.

It means something far more powerful than just "helper"; it means "lifesaver." The phrase is only used elsewhere of God, when you need him to come through for you desperately. "There is no one like the God of Jeshurun, who rides on the heavens to help you

The case that begins to build is that we can be sure that `ezer means "strength" or "power" whenever it is used in parallelism with words for majesty or other words for power such as `oz or `uzzo. In fact, the presence of two names for one king, Azariah and Uzziah, both referring to God's strength, makes it abundantly clear that the root `ezer meaning "strength" was known in Hebrew.
(R. David Freedman, "Woman, a Power Equal to a Man," Biblical Archaeology Review 9 [1983]: 56-58).

Therefore, we conclude that Genesis 2:18 be translated as "I will make a power [or strength] corresponding to man." Freedman even suggests on the basis of later Hebrew that the second word in the Hebrew expression found in this verse should be rendered equal to him. If so, then God makes for the man a woman fully his equal and fully his match. In this way, the man's loneliness will be assuaged.

God's initial plan was never to create an hierarchy. It was a curse. And all curses shall be broken through the blood of Jesus Christ!

You brought the bible saying man's head ship in marriage was a result of the curse caused by the Fall

So now the woman is no more the help meet but now the strength of the man akin to God in his life?

Is this what u r saying

So why was the man deemed accountable for the transgression in the garden

Why is Jesus referred to as the seed of David not Bathsheba

Why was man manifested first

You see in trying to justify these esoteric stuff with the bible, you guys twist the book and warp it further


Ok....i hear

Vickybee:
Lol

But you give me your own definition of feminism. I want to read yours, not anybody's from anywhere.

BABE3:
If the main message of Christ is love your neighbor as yourself, what makes Christianity so special then? Just asking.

Laozi, Buddha, Confucius, even Mohammed preached "love" Before any of them, there was love.
So, what's the deal ?

None of them was the Son of God.

Stillfire:
God's initial plan was never to create an hierarchy. It was a curse. And all curses shall be broken through the blood of Jesus Christ!

Stilly, Stilly, Stilly, ah, ah! Please tell us what God original plan was?

My take;
Adam was always to be the head - hence, he was held accountable when he hearkened to Eve's voice and sinned. If they were to be considered equals, then it was clearly the woman who fell into transgression and would have bourne the consequences alone. Women - creating situations since the garden .

Shollypopzz:
@TV01: Respond to my post, so I don't have to engage this mor0n anymore.

Sholly, Sholly, Sholly, I've answered you now? Abi?? I believe in a Lawgiver and one who has given us a conscience that knows broadly right from wrong - even if it is learned to a degree. Plus you didn't answer my question about the origins of mankind?

Feminism demands a minimum of equality - a woman that chooses to let her man lead has denied feminism in it's essence - and not revoking her card is a sign of your desperation to keep your numbers up, not ideological fidelity.

Toying with feminists is getting boring !

I see BlackLeopard has flounced off in a hissy fit. Where's that mangina called FrancisTony? Let me knock his little head !


TV

coogar:
i agree it was never in the plan to create hierarchy. eve's stupidïty queered the pitch for the woman and the man was placed above him.

the curses cannot be broken through the blood of Jesus. there's a consequence for every sin even if it has been forgiven. the curse God placed on man & woman still exists. even pastor's wives go through excruciating labour pains.

Oh you agree, we are making progress. There is always epidural.
When one is cursed, you do everything within your power to break out of such curse.
No sane person would continue to live under a curse.

Now the question is should I live under a curse or return to God's original plan? You guessed right, I am returning to God's original plan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Woohooooo

For those who are seeking to twist the Bible to say things about the woman being a lifesaver
All i will say is this
all these warping is dangerous

1 Tim 4: 1

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

I dont want to argue something that is clearly written in the Bible

God created male and female yes BUT he manifested man first and made the woman using his ribs as a base to help him in his assigment
Now HELPMATE/MEET is now Lifesaver

Ok o

cc: Stiilfire

[quote author=TV01 post=32726554][/quote]Are you the same as Mranony

TV01:
Stilly, Stilly, Stilly, ah, ah! Please tell us what God original plan was?

My take;
Adam was always to be the head - hence, he was held accountable when he hearkened to Eve's voice and sinned. If they were to be considered equals, then it was clearly the woman who fell into transgression.

Sholly, Sholly, Sholly, I've answered you now? Abi?? I believe in a Lawgiver and one who has given us a conscience that knows broadly right from wrong - even if it is learned to a degree. Plus you didn't answer my question about the origins of mankind?

Feminism demands a minimum of equality - a woman that chooses to let her man lead has denied feminism in it's essence - and not revoking her card is a sign of your desperation to keep your numbers up, not ideological fidelity.

Toying with feminists is getting boring !

I see BlackLeopard has flounced off in a hissy fit. Where's that mangina called FrancisTony? Let me knock his little head !


TV

TV, TV
The plan of living together, side by side as equals in the garden, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

Stillfire:
TV, TV
The plan of living together, side by side as equals in the garden, k-i-s-s-i-n-g.

H-E-L-P-ME-E-T!


TV

^{Kissing ke? Pa Adam was Alpha & Ma Eve was a babe - he woulda hit that !}

FrancisTony:
Are you the same as Mranony

No. Are you repentant?


TV

pickabeau1:
For those who are seeking to twist the Bible to say things about the woman being a lifesaver
All i will say is this
all these warping is dangerous
I dont want to argue something that is clearly written in the Bible
God created male and female yes BUT he manifested man first and made the woman using his ribs as a base to help him in his assigment
Now HELPMATE/MEET is now Lifesaver
Ok o
cc: Stiilfire

So it now a matter of first position? Hahahaha According to the bible the first shall be the last!!!!! Hahahaha

Stillfire:
So it now a matter of first position? Hahahaha According to the bible the first shall be the last!!!!! Hahahaha

Stilly, you struggle when it comes to Bible. You're better with standard social discourse. Not to be prescriptive - just trying to help !


TV

Stillfire:
Nope. I hope I am talking to a Christian, otherwise do not waste my time. You are called to live with such qualities on earth as well as in heaven.
Where did I accept hierarchy on earth?
Hierarchy was never the original plan of God. It was as a result of a curse.

Even in heaven there is heirarchy.
God is not equal with his angels. he comes first and His Word is Law.
Then there are the cherubim and seraphim, higher angels that stand in the holy of holies
then there are the principalities and powers in high places
then we have arch angels, guardian angels, messenger angels, etc.

Heirarchy.

We have had this discussion before. Bible scholars say Paul mediated over various matters that may arise in each church and he set guidelines for each church to follow. The book of corithinans, is actually the book for the church in corinthians. If the women of corinth were troublesome, it doesn't mean women in Antioch were. That was the way he settled the matter for the people of corinth. That is why Christianity permits both men and women to preach.

Preach to the public you mean, right? Not in the church.

TV01:
Sholly, Sholly, Sholly, I've answered you now? Abi?? I believe in a Lawgiver and one who has given us a conscience that knows broadly right from wrong - even if it is learned to a degree. Plus you didn't answer my question about the origins of mankind?

We were talking about objective morality and I answered your questions, don't run away. Besides, you agreed to remove Christianity/religion from the argument.

https://www.nairaland.com/2251479/why-modern-woman-sad/12#32721801

Feminism demands a minimum of equality - a woman that chooses to let her man lead has denied feminism in it's essence - and not revoking her card is a sign of your desperation to keep your numbers up, not ideological fidelity.

Feminism demands equal rights to the opposite gender in all aspects, even socially, and that's where the family institution comes into play. The basis of feminism boils down to women overcoming oppression and discrimination but also women having the choice to do things that their male counterparts can.

A feminist that doesn't vote in a particular election would not lose her feminist card, would she? We want the choice to do whatever we want with our bodies, we want the choice to education, we want sexual freedom.

Telling women what to do goes against the core of feminism since all we do as feminists is tell the society not to dictate what we should do as women.
I am not saying we would not side-eye a feminist that chooses to let her husband be the head in the family but we cannot debate it because she has a right to do so and we want to champion freedom, rights and choices as feminists.

The feminist that spoke against Beyonce never said she wasn't a feminist, she only called her lukewarm and that is what a passionate feminist would do because she can't defend her point otherwise.

Make friends with feminists in real life, it helps you understand how we think.

Toying with feminists is getting boring !

When you are getting your a*ss whooped, right??

Stillfire:
So it now a matter of first position? Hahahaha According to the bible the first shall be the last!!!!! Hahahaha

These matters are serious
Twisting /adding or deducting from the scriptures is not a light matter .

TV01:
H-E-L-P-ME-E-T!
TV
^{Kissing ke? Pa Adam was Alpha & Ma Eve was a babe - he woulda hit that !}

Lol, I've already dissected the word helpmeet, refer to previous posts.

Let's look at that scripture again

Your desire will be for your husband,
and he will rule over you.”

For this to be a curse, God's ORIGINAL intention was NOT for a husband to rule over a wife.
As christians we pray every curse shall be broken, I decree today that this curse be broken in the name of Jesus! Can I hear an Amen? Rotflmao