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Scholar8200:
Just because the word was used in one verse makes you generalise it to the whole Bible? And if I may ask who then are the 'real' characters? Why then are some of those places still existing with the same names today? Why did Paul in the same book say the gentiles who believe in Christ are blessed with Abraham if he was non existent? Does the proverb,"is Saul also among the prophets?" an excuse to say the whole issue of the Kings down through to the captivity by Babylon, Assyria etc a proverb? Remember the latter brings in the history of not only Jews but other extant nations. Can you with scripture vis a vis history of these nations intelligently and logically support your claim?( other than sweeping generalisations of mind blowing proportions!) And supposing you decide to use your other argument of 'it actually happened' then show us the real people or descendants who hold your belief (else you would rewrite their history!) backed by undeniable proofs.

sukkot:
I dont read hebrew myself but if you add all the names together, there is a coded message in it. its a message and not actual peoples names. some guy who reads hebrew was able to decode some of it. here is it. it is a bit long but try to read it





[b]
A remarkable example of this can be glimpsed in Genesis Chapter 5, where we have the genealogy of Adam through Noah. This is one of those chapters which we often tend to skim over quickly as we pass through Genesis it's simply a genealogy from Adam to Noah.

But God always rewards the diligent student. Let's examine this chapter more closely.

In our Bible, we read the Hebrew names. What do these names mean in English?

A Study of Original Roots

The meaning of proper names can be a difficult pursuit since a direct translation is often not readily available. Even a conventional Hebrew lexicon can prove disappointing. A study of the original roots, however, can yield some fascinating insights.

(A caveat: many study aids, such as a conventional lexicon, can prove rather superficial when dealing with proper nouns. Furthermore, views concerning the meanings of original roots are not free of controversy and variant readings.)

Let's take an example.

The Flood Judgment

Methuselah comes from muth, a root that means "death";1 and from shalach, which means to bring, or to send forth. The name Methuselah means, "his death shall bring".2

Methuselah's father was given a prophecy of the coming Great Flood, and was apparently told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld; but as soon as he died, the flood would be brought or sent forth.

(Can you imagine raising a kid like that? Every time the boy caught a cold, the entire neighborhood must have panicked!)

And, indeed, the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.3

It is interesting that Methuselah's life, in effect, was a symbol of God's mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood.

Therefore, it is fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, speaking of the extensiveness of God's mercy.

The Other Names

If there is such significance in Methuselah's name, let's examine the other names to see what may lie behind them.

Adam's name means man. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.

Seth

Adam's son was named Seth, which means appointed. Eve said, "For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."4

Enosh

Seth's son was called Enosh, which means mortal, frail, or miserable. It is from the root anash, to be incurable, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.

It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.5

Kenan

Enosh's son was named Kenan, which can mean sorrow, dirge, or elegy. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)

Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.6

We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.

Mahalalel

Kenan's son was Mahalalel, from Mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the Blessed God. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, "God is my Judge", etc.

Jared

Mahalalel's son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning shall come down.7

Enoch

Jared's son was named Enoch, which means teaching, or commencement. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):

Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against."
Jude 14, 15
Methuselah

Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.8 Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Enoch, of course, never died:

Scholar8200:
Nice analysis. Pls understand that these people carefully chose names based on a number of reasons(eg Jabez, Isaac, Esau, jacob etc) unlike how it is done today!. It is believed that Methusela's prophetic name was d motivation 4 Enoch's righteous walk. After the fall, God was still involved with man eg persuading Cain to do the right thing, naming kids Etc

sukkot:
bros i dont know what to tell you. but JESUS is the WORD OF GOD not a person. JESUS IS THE BIBLE and the person who is anointed ( which christ means anointed ) with the word of God is called JESUS CHRIST. it is a title. like CHIEF ALHAJI CEO DR. It is a celestial title.

REVELATION 19 VS 13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. <<< JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD AKA THE BIBLE. AND ANY MAN ( THE PROPHETS OF OLD ) SEALED WITH THE WORD OF GOD IS JESUS CHRIST. THERE ARE MANY JESUS CHRISTS NOT ONE. HOWEVER THE WORD JESUS CHRIST IS USED AS A BLANKET TO COVER THEM ALL. ITS A SIMPLE CONCEPT TO GRASP IF YOU QUIT BEING AN OLD BOTTLE AND BECOME A NEW BOTTLE SO YOU CAN RECEIVE THIS NEW WINE. THE 144,000 ARE JESUS CHRIST

sukkot:
You miss the point. these were not human beings. for example. cain means weapon. cain means someone who is an expert in making weaponry and working with metals. cain today refers to the caucasian race. it is a spirit type. another example. esau means red skin. it is a blanket name for caucasians. you have to understand that the bible is not writing about individual peoples. it is the story of the history of the whole world. for example, ishmael is not a single person. it is the blanket name for all arabs. etc etc etc. bible is not writing about single individuals

Scholar8200:
Compare your assertions with Revelations 7:9,10 and Revelations 22:16 the former speaks of the 144k and a multitude of all nations standing before God's Throne and before the Lamb (Another Name of Jesus Christ John 1:29) while the latter is a direct statement from Jesus Himself.

Scholar8200:
And the whole world would could only have begun with clearly identifiable individuals and families.

Scholar8200:
But what else does espousal mean if not marriage Matthew 1:18 Luke 1:27,

To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph. I believe this is sufficient proof if we'll be sincere. I'd wish you realize that we cant rewrite history and edit the culture of others( as it concerns sons and sons in law in genealogy) A son of Solomon marries a daughter of Nathan, though marriage identifies her with her husband's tribe, her own family tree must still be traced and here they use what's common practice for their culture which you've chosen to ignore.

sukkot:
yes when the word of God is speaking to you that means Jesus is speaking to you. you have to remember that this bible is written in parables so that only a few people will understand it. this book is only for those who are called to understand it which is very few people. the rest of the people dont understand the book. i am trying to get you to be one of those who understand the book but it is not working

mark 4 vs 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: MEANING ONLY A FEW PEOPLE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND THIS BIBLE BECAUSE IT IS A WORK OF PARABLES AND ALLEGORIES

PSALMS 78 VERSE 2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, <<< THE REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE IS HIDDEN TO MANY.

malvisguy212:
does that mean all the name of the people written in the geanology of Jesus christ does not exist? The Jewish scripture indicate this people exist.

sukkot:
no they do not exist. what is the jewish scripture ? is it not the bible ?

malvisguy212:
the early christians and Jews indicate he exist, Tacitus (c. A.D. 55 - c. A.D. 117) even talk about is crucified.

sukkot:
I dont read hebrew myself but if you add all the names together, there is a coded message in it. its a message and not actual peoples names. some guy who reads hebrew was able to decode some of it. here is it. it is a bit long but try to read it





[b]
A remarkable example of this can be glimpsed in Genesis Chapter 5, where we have the genealogy of Adam through Noah. This is one of those chapters which we often tend to skim over quickly as we pass through Genesis it's simply a genealogy from Adam to Noah.

But God always rewards the diligent student. Let's examine this chapter more closely.

In our Bible, we read the Hebrew names. What do these names mean in English?

A Study of Original Roots

The meaning of proper names can be a difficult pursuit since a direct translation is often not readily available. Even a conventional Hebrew lexicon can prove disappointing. A study of the original roots, however, can yield some fascinating insights.

(A caveat: many study aids, such as a conventional lexicon, can prove rather superficial when dealing with proper nouns. Furthermore, views concerning the meanings of original roots are not free of controversy and variant readings.)

Let's take an example.

The Flood Judgment

Methuselah comes from muth, a root that means "death";1 and from shalach, which means to bring, or to send forth. The name Methuselah means, "his death shall bring".2

Methuselah's father was given a prophecy of the coming Great Flood, and was apparently told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld; but as soon as he died, the flood would be brought or sent forth.

(Can you imagine raising a kid like that? Every time the boy caught a cold, the entire neighborhood must have panicked!)

And, indeed, the year that Methuselah died, the flood came.3

It is interesting that Methuselah's life, in effect, was a symbol of God's mercy in forestalling the coming judgment of the flood.

Therefore, it is fitting that his lifetime is the oldest in the Bible, speaking of the extensiveness of God's mercy.

The Other Names

If there is such significance in Methuselah's name, let's examine the other names to see what may lie behind them.

Adam's name means man. As the first man, that seems straight forward enough.

Seth

Adam's son was named Seth, which means appointed. Eve said, "For God hath appointed me another seed instead of Abel, whom Cain slew."4

Enosh

Seth's son was called Enosh, which means mortal, frail, or miserable. It is from the root anash, to be incurable, used of a wound, grief, woe, sickness, or wickedness.

It was in the days of Enosh that men began to defile the name of the Living God.5

Kenan

Enosh's son was named Kenan, which can mean sorrow, dirge, or elegy. (The precise denotation is somewhat elusive; some study aids unfortunately presume that Kenan is synonymous with Cainan.)

Balaam, looking down from the heights of Moab, uses a pun upon the name of the Kenites when he prophesies their destruction.6

We have no real idea as to why these names were chosen for their children. Often they may have referred to circumstances at birth, and so on.

Mahalalel

Kenan's son was Mahalalel, from Mahalal which means blessed or praise; and El, the name for God. Thus, Mahalalel means the Blessed God. Often Hebrew names include El, the name of God, as Dan-i-el, "God is my Judge", etc.

Jared

Mahalalel's son was named Jared, from the verb yaradh, meaning shall come down.7

Enoch

Jared's son was named Enoch, which means teaching, or commencement. He was the first of four generations of preachers. In fact, the earliest recorded prophecy was by Enoch, which amazingly enough deals with the Second Coming of Christ (although it is quoted in the Book of Jude in the New Testament):

Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, "Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against."
Jude 14, 15
Methuselah

Enoch was the father of Methuselah, who we have already mentioned. Enoch walked with God after he begat Methuselah.8 Apparently, Enoch received the prophecy of the Great Flood, and was told that as long as his son was alive, the judgment of the flood would be withheld. The year that Methuselah died, the flood came.

Enoch, of course, never died: he was translated 9 (or, if you'll excuse the expression, raptured ). That's how Methuselah can be the oldest man in the Bible, yet he died before his father!

Lamech

Methuselah's son was named Lamech, a root still evident today in our own English word, lament or lamentation. Lamech suggests despairing.

(This name is also linked to the Lamech in Cain's line who inadvertently killed his son Tubal-Cain in a hunting incident.10)

Noah

Lamech, of course, is the father of Noah, which is derived from nacham, to bring relief or comfort, as Lamech himself explains in Genesis 5:29.

The Composite List

Now let's put it all together:

Hebrew English
Adam Man
Seth Appointed
Enosh Mortal
Kenan Sorrow;
Mahalalel The Blessed God
Jared Shall come down
Enoch Teaching
Methuselah His death shall bring
Lamech The Despairing
Noah Rest, or comfort.
That's rather remarkable:[/b]

[size=14pt]Man (is) appointed mortal sorrow; (but) the Blessed God shall come down teaching (that) His death shall bring (the) despairing rest.[/size]

Here's the Gospel hidden within a genealogy in Genesis!

(You will never convince me that a group of Jewish rabbis conspired to hide the Christian Gospel right here in a genealogy within their venerated Torah!)

malvisguy212:
this is the first time I am learning about this, I have nothing to say here. Thank you.

sukkot:
all lies. no human being was, is, or ever will be called jesus-christ. its a title not a name. and who do you mean when you say jews ?

malvisguy212:
I know your argument here about the real Jews, forget about that.

Isn't it great that God himself wanted to have a personal relationship with his creatures? And to do that , he will dwell in the flesh,for you to say Jesus do not exist meaning this relationship dints happened,let me tell you something, the bible were written by men who are shepherd and kings and most of this people are the once you said do not exist, how is it possible for a none existing being to write a book? Or is God himself that wrote the bible with his hand?

malvisguy212:
I know your argument here about the real Jews, forget about that.

Isn't it great that God himself wanted to have a personal relationship with his creatures? And to do that , he will dwell in the flesh,for you to say Jesus do not exist meaning this relationship dints happened,let me tell you something, the bible were written by men who are shepherd and kings and most of this people are the once you said do not exist, how is it possible for a none existing being to write a book? Or is God himself that wrote the bible with his hand?

MrPresident1:
The Bible is not a book written about individuals, all individual names are a cover for a multitude of people. Jesus, Adam, Noah, Abraham, Isaac, are just single name representations of multitudes of people.

sukkot:
lol bros, like i keep telling folks, the bible is not what you think it is. it is only a handful of people that will truly understand the real meaning of that book and the LORD has done it like that. it is a sacred text. everyone else will just be reading it like it is a novel and that there are people called adam and noah etc etc. but the real prophets of the LORD will be given the wisdom to unravel what the book really entails. it is not given for the whole world to understand the mysteries of the book and the secrets of the kingdom. it just is what it is. however when the prophets of old are put back in charge of the world then they will then teach people how the book is supposed to be read. the esoteric and hidden meanings. its explained in matthew chapter 28 that the prophets will be raised up sometime in the future to teach people how to read and understand the esoteric wisdoms of the bible

sukkot:
Here is an example of one of the elect referring to himself as Jesus Christ.

galatians 4 vs 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus. << BASICALLY SAYING EVEN THOUGH YOU SAW MY MANY WEAKNESSES ( MAYBE THEY SAW HIM WOMANIZING BEFORE HE GOT CALLED TO GOD ), YOU STILL RECEIVED ME AS A MAN WITH THE ANOINTING OF THE WORD OF GOD ( JESUS CHRIST ). YOU STILL RECEIVED ME AS JESUS CHRIST. SO LIKE I SAID, JESUS CHRIST IS A TITLE. ITS LIKE ME SAYING EVEN THOUGH YOU SAW ME DRUNK AND VOMITTING, YOU STILL TREATED ME LIKE THE CEO. YOU DIDNT LOOK DOWN ON ME

malvisguy212:
I know your argument here about the real Jews, forget about that.

Isn't it great that God himself wanted to have a personal relationship with his creatures? And to do that , he will dwell in the flesh,for you to say Jesus do not exist meaning this relationship dints happened,let me tell you something, the bible were written by men who are shepherd and kings and most of this people are the once you said do not exist, how is it possible for a none existing being to write a book? Or is God himself that wrote the bible with his hand?

MrPresident1:
If anyone understands the Bible as we do , he will be one of these in ancient Israel
Isaiah 3:2-3
2 The mighty man, and the man of war, the judge, and the prophet, and the prudent, and the ancient,
3 The captain of fifty, and the honourable man, and the counsellor, and the cunning artificer, and the eloquent orator.

MrPresident1:
Quite aptly put Bros.

sukkot:
and hence this prophesy is being fulfilled right now

daniel 12 verse 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased. <<< knowledge of the scriptures being increased

sukkot:
trust the weekend was nice bros. we wait and hunger for the day we will be redeemed. very soon it will be too. i can feel it.

MrPresident1:

Nisan was the month that Israel was redeemed from Egypt. Nisan ends at sundown today

MrPresident1:
Only the wise will understand, only the one YAH is pleased with;

Psalm 25:14
The secret of the Lord is with them that fear him; and he will shew them his covenant.

Job 28:28
And unto man he said, Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom; and to depart from evil is understanding.

Daniel 12:10
Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.

sukkot:
yes when the word of God is speaking to you that means Jesus is speaking to you. you have to remember that this bible is written in parables so that only a few people will understand it. this book is only for those who are called to understand it which is very few people. the rest of the people dont understand the book. i am trying to get you to be one of those who understand the book but it is not working

mark 4 vs 11 And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: MEANING ONLY A FEW PEOPLE WILL EVER UNDERSTAND THIS BIBLE BECAUSE IT IS A WORK OF PARABLES AND ALLEGORIES

PSALMS 78 VERSE 2 I will open my mouth with a parable; I will utter hidden things, <<< THE REAL UNDERSTANDING OF THE BIBLE IS HIDDEN TO MANY.

sukkot:
oh word ? lol. well we shall watch and see. i am studying the celestial signs. we are close. just cant put an exact date on it. and you know america is part of the spiritual egypt spoken off in revelation chapter 11 and they have infested the world so maybe we shall be redeemed from this spiritual egypt before the end of the day

MrPresident1:
Even the Jewish Talmud says 'in Nisan we were redeemed from Egypt, in Nisan we shall be redeemed'

Nisan ends at sundown