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Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes - Politics (7) - Nairaland

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Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by Orunto:
This will be very good business if the 25% will be bought by our Nigerian Private Oil Equity Ventures only. We can even sell up to 30% of the Venture in this circumstance. The above was during GEJ and the oil subsidy was then being discussed. Now that Buhari is removing them, our Banks will be smarter and more skillful to mobilise fund as in a consortium to buy the stake even up to 30%.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by richidinho(m): 6:03pm On Apr 24, 2015
michelz:
This is the worst unsolicited advice ever... So Nigeria should sell off her patrimony? Is that not a pure example of [b]21st century daylight neo-colonialism? [/b]Then what happens to all these cries and hues over state-controlled revenues? This will spirall the country into serious anarchy if attempted.
He actually made that call from London....that means he rose from the meeting with the masters
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by igbizen(m): 6:22pm On Apr 24, 2015
stronger:
This makes sense. Sell part of it off and raise up petroleum tax to make up for the reduction in revenue.

This provides cash to develop badly needed infrastructure (electricity, transportation etc) that will drive growth in non-oil sectors, without having to increase debt profile significantly.

Of course this means a lot of cash in the system and only a responsible govt will be able to handle it well. This is why the CBN governor did not suggest it to GEJ! They would have used it for elections. Good to see that he has more confidence in GMB! smiley smiley
I like Ur submission.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by bboshodi: 6:41pm On Apr 24, 2015
jascon1:
How Una take day hear all these news self. Abi Una day record their calls? Am forced to ask oh. Wetin bihari tell him wife for night before e sleep Una report am. The kind tea way him maid do for am for night Una report am. The makeup him daughter day use, Una report am. Na wah o
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by bboshodi: 6:45pm On Apr 24, 2015
Ha!!! Look at you. That's to let you know that it's no longer business as usual. We can't afford to leave them up there to do whatever they like with Tax payers money, we all has to be involved.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by busky101(m): 6:52pm On Apr 24, 2015
Seun:
For once, the general sentiment is right. This is a terrible idea. Even if you want to sell the stakes, this is the stupidest time to sell them.
pls my time spent online was reset. Please do something bout it
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by Tonason: 7:11pm On Apr 24, 2015
This is not a good advice. It would amount to eating our tomorrow today, then tomorrow will go hungry.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ogtavia(m): 7:34pm On Apr 24, 2015
Bevista:
Great Immediate revenue to solve today's problems (assuming the funds are used judiciously). However, with only 30% stake in the JV, how will that impact the country's Future revenue stream?
U are ryt...oyinbo no kuku send us...na to xploit us finish..I still believe govt can raise money by au funds left d country esp 4rm politicians..reduce spending,talk to d exec and legist. arm of gov.mnt abt dere outrageous salary...turn d nnpc inside out.z
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ideykwum: 8:09pm On Apr 24, 2015
If managed strategically, it's a great advice, especially if the petroleum profit task is shored up! However, we all know that is the opportunity would be mismanaged and we would sink into regret and depression!

barcanista:
I am not in support of this...What kind of advice is this for God sake?
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ideykwum: 8:14pm On Apr 24, 2015
It's inherently a good approach if managed well! It's strange to see Nairalanders who know very little about public finance or investment or the economy reject what they don't even comprehend!

stronger:
This makes sense. Sell part of it off and raise up petroleum tax to make up for the reduction in revenue.

This provides cash to develop badly needed infrastructure (electricity, transportation etc) that will drive growth in non-oil sectors, without having to increase debt profile significantly.

Of course this means a lot of cash in the system and only a responsible govt will be able to handle it well. This is why the CBN governor did not suggest it to GEJ! They would have used it for elections. Good to see that he has more confidence in GMB! smiley smiley
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ideykwum: 8:15pm On Apr 24, 2015
Bros! I'm with you! You're making good sense!

stronger:
We have had 60% for years. What have we done with it? Nothing! Politicians loot!

Now that we have a responsible and accountable govt, sell part of it and develop infrastructure. Saudi Aramco has RESERVES that we can't even dream of. There is a future. Our oil will soon finish and the oil price will never get to above $100 again except there is a MAJOR WAR in the ME. Major! best thing, sell off now!
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ideykwum: 8:24pm On Apr 24, 2015
Like I said earlier, it's amazing to see people make judgements without thinking things through! Even the concept of time-value of money can explain this proposal, if the earnings are properly invested for competitive future benefits and cashflows! It beats being mired in the corrupt cesspool that the Oil and Gas Industry is!!

$10 today may be worth several times more than $50 tomorrow, if properly invested and if it presents a better Net Present Value. If I had the figures on the two scenarios ( projections on the status quo and projections based on this proposal), I would have valued their risk components and from their NPV calculate EMVs for both options and make a decision! You can't discard a decision without empirical facts, or based on sentiments!

The CBN dude could be wrong, or very very right!

Volksfuhrer:
I agree with that part of your submission. But the idea is not as heinous as it sounds. The idea could still be fine-tuned to hedge against long term disadvantages. We should not just reject the idea without seriously looking at its merits and finding ways to minimize its demerits.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by stronger: 8:29pm On Apr 24, 2015
ideykwum:
It's inherently a good approach if managed well! It's strange to see Nairalanders who know very little about public finance or investment or the economy reject what they don't even comprehend!
Ah! Did you say strange? It isn't o. Nairaland has gone to the dogs. . all sorts just come and drop opinions about stuff they have NO CLUE about.

Like you rightly mentioned, if it managed well, it's a good idea! We just hope and pray!

Cheers!
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by asamaigho(m): 8:40pm On Apr 24, 2015
emefiele must be from d lineage of d biblical essau geneology,which kind dumb advice b dat ?
wen we are hoping to nationalize d oil sector and free it from d pawns of western capita juggernauts. if managed properly d 55% can solve all our infrastructural deficits in less dan 15yrs.
all dis quarterly baked economist (western puppets) ,will not be allowed to plunge nigeria into an irredeemable doom.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by 989900: 9:30pm On Apr 24, 2015
AZeD1:
This is a brilliant idea. We need serious cash for infrastructure and we need the cash now.

For those talking about mismanagement, you should know that we don't have to sell for cash.
- Want a high speed rail from Abuja to Lagos, sell a X% equity to the construction firm.
- Want to increase power generation by building more power stations, do the same thing.

Look at it like hire purchasing infrastructure with our God given natural resources.
Another point to note is that we can always transfer for a period of time e.g Julius Berger says it costs X amount to build y infrastructure, and we say ok take 10% in our JV stake here, in about 6 years, you should have gotten your money with profit then you transfer it back to us.


I think this idea is what looking at.
The above is one of the best ways to quickly develop any nation. However, when we bring in foreign investors (I've personally brought one from South Korea and another from Singapore), guess what, those thieving b@st@rds would be asking for enormous bribes upfront from the investors! Who does that?!

Well I would say instead of selling of 25% of its stake and keep just 30%, why not sell off 15% and retain 40%? This way the FG would raise $45 billion which equates to N8.94 trillion or 60% of the said N14.9 trillion. This way, and with prudent application of the resources, infrastructural development projects can still be carried out, the new stake owners, should have local stakes (also with state govts of the regions), and petroleum tax can still be raised like Emefiele suggested. It's a win-win situation both for the short term and long term IMHO.
First thing that came to my mind when I read this yesterday, but can we trust any Government with our/our kids future/inheritance?

What ulterior motive is driving the suggestion of selling them shares?

Who are profiting?

Who's been bribed?

Who is taking what percentage for selling them shares? I see you and your cronies Mr. CBN governor.

Oil is $65+ and rising as we speak, it's always ebbing and flowing.

When it comes to predicting oil prices, I'm yet to see any one person/institution who gets it right 3 out of 7 times.

Oil is being discovered everyday in many places, and as exploration technology and refining technology gets more efficient, we would get more oil. And with time, more crude will become available for discovery.

OTOH, it is also technology that will destroy oil -- alternative fuel sources + more efficient engines.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by suyamasta(m): 9:36pm On Apr 24, 2015
jazzsoul:
Saudi Arabia has $750 billion in foreign exchange reserves and Nigeria now has only $30 billion. Even South Africa has $50 billion in reserves with much more in development to show for its earnings.
Chineke mee Chaai (in Timayas voice) how did they do it?
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by PoorUgly(m): 10:16pm On Apr 24, 2015
Abi na sapele weed?

Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by chigoizie7(m): 1:02am On Apr 25, 2015
stronger:
This makes sense. Sell part of it off and raise up petroleum tax to make up for the reduction in revenue.

This provides cash to develop badly needed infrastructure (electricity, transportation etc) that will drive growth in non-oil sectors, without having to increase debt profile significantly.

Of course this means a lot of cash in the system and only a responsible govt will be able to handle it well. This is why the CBN governor did not suggest it to GEJ! They would have used it for elections. Good to see that he has more confidence in GMB! smiley smiley
And who bares the consequencies of those increased tax? The common poor nigerian?
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by Volksfuhrer(m): 6:43am On Apr 25, 2015
ideykwum:
Like I said earlier, it's amazing to see people make judgements without thinking things through! Even the concept of time-value of money can explain this proposal, if the earnings are properly invested for competitive future benefits and cashflows! It beats being mired in the corrupt cesspool that the Oil and Gas Industry is!!

$10 today may be worth several times more than $50 tomorrow, if properly invested and if it presents a better Net Present Value. If I had the figures on the two scenarios ( projections on the status quo and projections based on this proposal), I would have valued their risk components and from their NPV calculate EMVs for both options and make a decision! You can't discard a decision without empirical facts, or based on sentiments!

The CBN dude could be wrong, or very very right!
Thank you for your brilliant analysis.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by ideykwum: 6:52am On Apr 25, 2015
Thank you too!

Volksfuhrer:
Thank you for your brilliant analysis.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by blank(f): 7:30am On Apr 25, 2015
Instead of selling off, can't we reduce the corruption in NNPC and the multinationals? Do you know that the multinationals mostly pass off 100% sometimes over 100% of their costs to NNPC instead of it being in ratio of their contributions.

NNPC internal auditors hardly find out maybe due to the fact that they are there because of federal character or they are being settled.

Corruption is really endemic. God save us.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by stronger: 8:19am On Apr 25, 2015
chigoizie7:
And who bares the consequencies of those increased tax? The common poor nigerian?
Nope! The increased PETROLEUM tax is for the oil companies. PETROLEUM tax
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by kolmart: 9:22am On Apr 25, 2015
Okay
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by chigoizie7(m): 9:34am On Apr 25, 2015
stronger:
Nope! The increased PETROLEUM tax is for the oil companies. PETROLEUM tax
The person that bares the burden of tax is the final consumer. well, maybe that of petroleum is different.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by stronger: 9:52am On Apr 25, 2015
chigoizie7:
The person that bares the burden of tax is the final consumer. well, maybe that of petroleum is different.
Yup, petroleum tax is different. It's just the companies. In other sectors, the price of the product will increase when the taxes on the company increase. It's a lot different with the oil sector. Crude oil price is controlled by so many factors in complex relationships. The price of petrol will not increase automatically because we increase their taxes.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by stronger: 9:56am On Apr 25, 2015
blank:
Instead of selling off, can't we reduce the corruption in NNPC and the multinationals? Do you know that the multinationals mostly pass off 100% sometimes over 100% of their costs to NNPC instead of it being in ratio of their contributions.

NNPC internal auditors hardly find out maybe due to the fact that they are there because of federal character or they are being settled.

Corruption is really endemic. God save us.
No, that's the way the Joint ventures (JVs) and Production sharing contracts (PSCs) are structured.

The cost of production incurred by the oil company is FIRST removed before the profit is shared. Of course the NNPC has to audit to be sure the costs are real. . . Whether they do that properly is a different matter, but 100% of the costs should be taken out.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by blank(f): 10:33am On Apr 25, 2015
stronger:
No, that's the way the Joint ventures (JVs) and Production sharing contracts (PSCs) are structured.

The cost of production incurred by the oil company is FIRST removed before the profit is shared. Of course the NNPC has to audit to be sure the costs are real. . . Whether they do that properly is a different matter, but 100% of the costs should be taken out.
You misunderstood me. I mean NNPC bears 100% of the cost instead of 60% of the cost because the multinationals overblow the total cost and pass on a seeming 60% which is in fact 100% to NNPC.

Sometimes, after removing this overbloated cost of production, there is little to tax.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by stronger: 11:54am On Apr 25, 2015
blank:
You misunderstood me. I mean NNPC bears 100% of the cost instead of 60% of the cost because the multinationals overblow the total cost and pass on a seeming 60% which is in fact 100% to NNPC.

Sometimes, after removing this overbloated cost of production, there is little to tax.
Listen when you say NNPC bears 100% of the cost instead of 60%, that is wrong.

Here is how it works;

SPDC for instance is a JV of NNPC (55%), Shell (30%), Total (10%) and Agip (5%).
Now, Shell is the OPERATOR of this JV. After the REVENUES are brought in, the Operator (Shell) Subtracts the Production cost and they are left with Profit before tax.

So the NNPC has nothing to do with the COST. Shell takes out the cost before taking it to the partners to share. The partners just need to audit the costs to be sure it is correct.

When you say after removing this cost, there is little to tax, that is 100% wrong. What is the cost of production of one barrel? In the middle East it is about $3-$5. . In Nigeria it's more. . about $10 max. What is the REVENUE from one barrel? In it's peak, it was $140. . right now it is at a low of $50 or so. $50 - $10 $40 PROFIT for one barrel (and this is using conservative figures)

With over 2 million barrels produced a day, how can you say there isnt much to tax?
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by lekkiss(m): 1:41pm On Apr 25, 2015
stronger:
This makes sense. Sell part of it off and raise up petroleum tax to make up for the reduction in revenue.

This provides cash to develop badly needed infrastructure (electricity, transportation etc) that will drive growth in non-oil sectors, without having to increase debt profile significantly.

Of course this means a lot of cash in the system and only a responsible govt will be able to handle it well. This is why the CBN governor did not suggest it to GEJ! They would have used it for elections. Good to see that he has more confidence in GMB! smiley smiley
I would have agree with you bro buh d mind of a mind z So complicated... one needs to think it trough.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by Nobody: 2:26pm On Apr 27, 2015
I think it is not a bad idea, it is better late than never. It will really help out.
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by newspapers: 4:42pm On Jun 25, 2015
Let me source my Anger first: http://www.newscabal.com/2015/06/25/why-import-toothpick-eggs-sugar-etc-godwin-emefiele/

If Godwin Emefiele wants Nigerians to start manufacturing, what has the CBN put in place to enable the production of these commodities?

Getting a loan gets worst by d day and even accessing the basic amenities is nothing to write home about!!!!
Re: Godwin Emefiele Tells Buhari To Sell Off Nigeria's Oil Stakes by Orunto: 6:37pm On Jun 25, 2015
The idea can be entertained but the sales should be made only to a consortium of Nigerian commercial Banks.
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