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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Rilwayne001: 6:08pm On Apr 24, 2015
Empiree:


Muslims dont go about cursing thier enemies. It's christians that do that. Dont tell me you dont know that. You hear them on radio, Tv screaming in churches "God punish the devil", burn my enemies, "Oh devill! I will kick you, I will punch, I will spit on you" "May God curse those that wage war on me"...the list goes on. Yet christians call this prayer. This are in direct violation of your very own Commandment which says "Thou shall love your enemy" be.

Right on point. There is a Mountain of Fire church in my street.
They don't have any other prayer except "fire burn dem", "fire come down", "holy ghost fire burn them all" every week like that.SMH

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Sanchez01: 8:45pm On Apr 24, 2015
OLAADEGBU:


What do you mean by point 4?
Some pastor claim there's nothing like the Trinity; 1. The Father, 2. Son, and 3. The Holy Ghost. Some believe #1 and #2 only, some others believe only #1 while some believe only #2.

I'll soon be engaging a pastor whose church believes only the #2. I pray I share some things about this when I'm through.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 8:53pm On Apr 24, 2015
Empiree:
Evangelism tactics.


You have been saying this endlessly to find unfounded excuses. These allegations up there are embedded in 90% christians. So who are the real christians if 90% are bogus?

Muslims dont go about prophesizing this and that. You christians do. Media glorify them and credit them including many christians.

Muslims dont go about cursing thier enemies. It's christians that do that. Dont tell me you dont know that. You hear them on radio, Tv screaming in churches "God punish the devil", burn my enemies, "Oh devill! I will kick you, I will punch, I will spit on you" "May God curse those that wage war on me"...the list goes on. Yet christians call this prayer. These are in direct violations of your very own Commandment which says "Thou shall love your enemies"

And you want to talk about voodoo, your pastors are good at the. They visit herbalists who give them charm to manipulate church goers. Whatever pastors say, so shall it be.

You have a point here empiree. But u exaggerate, terribly. Your statement below is a lie.
These allegations up there are embedded in 90% christians. So who are the real christians if 90% are bogus?
<<<<al Taqiyya alert.
I wonder how u got ur 90percent figures. Show me the data.


Eastern and oriental orthodox Christians do NoT pray like that.
several bible believing pentecostal churches do NOT pray like that. Eg baptists, saddleback, etc
Catholics do NOT pray like that
Coptic Christians do NOT pray like that

My church does not pray like that.

Its in Africa particularly Ghana and Nigeria that u see people praying like that, I have worshipped in different churches in different countries but I see that kind of prayer particularly in "churches" in Africa I guess its cause of all the voodoo. Its quite appalling.

But empiree, u do know that ur imams spend half the time cursing Christians during ur hateful Friday prayers and praying for Islamic a.llah to give u the much awaited and NOT forthcoming victory over the infidels.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Empiree: 10:33pm On Apr 24, 2015
Ifeann:


You have a point here empire.e. But u exaggerate, terribly. Your statement below is a lie. I wonder how u got ur 90percent figures. Show me the data.
Well, the percentage was made up by me. I dont think i need to rely on external body to decide that. Looking at majority christians, including yourself and right here on NL, their major focus on their religion is "miracles", "prophecies" which you people usually accuse our prophet of (i:e didnt do miracles). Now you accused pastors of fake prophecies and miracles. Dont majority christians rely on these nonsense prophecies?


Eastern and oriental orthodox Christians do NoT pray like that.
I was going to say this earlier but skipped my mind. Remember I said at some point that christianity is divided into two(2)?. But you didnt get it. Yes, it's true that Eastern orthodox christians do not indulge in this madness. Now, this reminds me of a former pastor on ACARDIP who traveled to Jerusalem. He was surprised that they do not do such a thing like screaming and yelling. Rather, they bowed down. Bowing down is WORSHIP. As a result, he returned to Nigeria and reverted to Islam.


several bible believing pentecostal churches do NOT pray like that. Eg baptists, saddleback, etc
Catholics do NOT pray like that Coptic Christians do NOT pray like that
Just proves that there are different doctrines in christiandom in terms of salvation. Both former and later have no formal and direct intrusctions from Jesus (Allah's blessing and peace be upon hiim) on obligatory prayer. They follow different Pauline orders.

My church does not pray like that.
Na them sabi. If they want they could pray with their legs up in the air...who cares! Fact is, how to pray, which Jesus(AS) also demonstrated has been deserted by christians altogether. Middle eastern and Eastern orthodox only seem close. Bowing down is worship.
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat/how_many_prayers_(P1204).html
http://peacethought.com/prayer.htm

Also in the book of Nehemiah proves that the way to pray as instructed by God Himself is the way Muslims pray. So who are the true christians now?. Protestants accused Catholics, Catholic accused JW, Baptists accuse the formers, Formers accuse laters. Orthodox are different. Indeed, Quran is very correct. It says that because of your disbelieve, God made your heart grow hard (sealed) and made you enemies of one another. And that none of you will worship the same way until the Day of Accountability.

Its in Africa particularly Ghana and Nigeria that u see people praying like that, I have worshipped in different churches in different countries but I see that kind of prayer particularly in "churches" in Africa I guess its cause of all the voodoo. Its quite appalling.
But you just did "taqqiya" earlier until after i exposed you before you admited churches in Africa do voodoo. You actually think i care about African churches?. Nope

But empire.e, u do know that ur imams spend half the time cursing Christians during ur hateful Friday prayers and praying for Islamic a.llah to give u the much awaited and NOT forthcoming victory over the infidels.
Sorry, we dont curse anyone during obligatory salat or non-obligatory salat. Salat prayers are devoted to God 100%. Now if imam is giving khutba during Friday sermon which may seldom invloves political talks is to bring about awareness. Unless you give me an example of such curses i wont take you serious.

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by OLAADEGBU(m): 10:49pm On Apr 24, 2015
Rilwayne001:


Right on point. There is a Mountain of Fire church in my street.
They don't have any other prayer except "fire burn dem", "fire come down", "holy ghost fire burn them all" every week like that.SMH

Eeyah! I can understand the kind of torture you must be going through in your street. cry
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by OLAADEGBU(m): 11:05pm On Apr 24, 2015
Sanchez01:


Some pastor claim there's nothing like the Trinity; 1. The Father, 2. Son, and 3. The Holy Ghost. Some believe #1 and #2 only, some others believe only #1 while some believe only #2.

I'll soon be engaging a pastor whose church believes only the #2. I pray I share some things about this when I'm through.

Any church that does the expository study of the Bible would come to the conclusion that the Holy Trinity is a biblical doctrine.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 3:58am On Apr 25, 2015
Empiree:
Well, the percentage was made up by me. I dont think i need to rely on external body to decide that. Looking at majority christians, including yourself and right here on NL, their major focus on their religion is "miracles", "prophecies" which you people usually accuse our prophet of (i:e didnt do miracles). Now you accused pastors of fake prophecies and miracles. Dont majority christians reply on these nonsense prophecies?


I was going to say this earlier but skipped my mind. Remember I said at some point that christianity is divided into two(2)?. But you didnt get it. Yes, it's true that Eastern orthodox christians do not indulge in this madness. Now, this reminds me of a former pastor on ACARDIP who traveled to Jerusalem. He was surprised that they do not do such a thing like screaming and yelling. Rather, they bowed down. Bowing down is WORSHIP. As a result, he returned to Nigeria and reverted to Islam.


Just proves that there are different doctrines in christiandom in terms of salvation. Both former and later have no formal and direct intrusctions from Jesus (Allah's blessing and peace be upon hiim) on obligatory prayer. They follow different Pauline orders.

Na them sabi. If they want they could pray with their legs up in the air...who care! Fact is, how to pray, which Jesus(AS) also demostrated has been deserted by christians altogether. Middle eastern and Eastern orthodox only seem close. Bowing down is worship.
http://www.quran-islam.org/main_topics/islam/pillars/al-salat/how_many_prayers_(P1204).html
http://peacethought.com/prayer.htm

Also in the book of Nehemiah proves that the way to pray as instructed by God Himself is the way Muslims pray. So who are the true christians now?. Protestants accused Catholics, Catholic accused JW, Baptists accuse the formers, Formers accuse laters. Orthodox are different. Indeed, Quran is very correct. It says that because of your disbelieve, God made your heart grow hard (sealed) and made you enemies of one another. And that none of you will worship the same way until the Day of Accountability.

But you just did "taqqiya" earlier until after i exposed you before you admited churches in Africa do voodoo. You actually think i care about African churches?. Nope

Sorry, we dont curse anyone during obligatory salat or non-obligatory salat. Salat prayers are devoted to God 100%. Now if imam is giving khutba during Friday sermon which may seldom invloves political talks is to bring about awareness. Unless you give me an example of such curses i wont take you serious.

Dude u have made several false statements

You said,

But you just did "taqqiya" earlier until after i exposed you before you admited churches in Africa do voodoo.

I never said churches in Africa do voodoo. Christian churches don't do that.

This is what I said.


Its in Africa particularly Ghana and Nigeria that u see people praying like that, I have worshipped in different churches in different countries but I see that kind of prayer particularly in "churches" in Africa I guess its cause of all the voodoo. Its quite appalling.

I meant all the voodoo in African society, this is why perhaps some ill informed "Christians" pray in a very confrontational and even hateful manner.. Eg curse my enemies in the village doing voodoo. Now that is very different from what u accused me of saying.

Stop using Taqiyya or perhaps u just misunderstood me. But i'll let this one slide.


Its also nice that u admitted it was ur Islamic mind that made up the false 90 percent information on how Christians act.

You also falsely said this,


including yourself and right here on NL, their major focus on their religion is "miracles", "prophecies" which you people usually accuse our prophet of (i:e didnt do miracles)

When have i ever said that my focus is on miracles or prophecies.never. I don't even comment on such threads. Talkless of endorsing such. I see some Christians taking the words of the "doomsday prophesy" pastors serious about Nigerian elections, sports etc and I smh in pity for them. A lot have been exposed as giving false prophecies and that's on record, its a good way of spotting false teachers.
My major focus on Christianity is Jesus Christ and adhering to the gospel as much as my flawed and humble self can.

Now I will ignore some of ur other rants but I can't help laugh at this.


Sorry, we dont curse anyone during obligatory salat or non-obligatory salat. Salat prayers are devoted to God 100%. Now if imam is giving khutba during Friday sermon which may seldom invloves political talks is to bring about awareness. Unless you give me an example of such curses i wont take you serious

dude but why lie. U do know that ur imams make hateful teaching in ur mosques. This is why statistically, Muslims are prone to murder non-muslims on Friday after Islamic prayers. I have seen some videos of ur scholar, imams preaching/teahing and I see how hatefilled it is.

There was this incident I think last year when the Catholics invited the Hindus, buddhists , Muslims etcetera for an inter faith prayer session for peace (interfaith prayers are a joke) or something of that nature and it was broadcast live. The imam cleverly added a prayed to Islamic allah to give Muslims victory over the "infidels", he said this in Arabic and it was picked up by exmuslims who exposed the Catholics/ vaticans ignorance about Islam.

dude u know Islam is violent and teaches several morally disturbing things, but I understand why you feel you need to defend ur "prophet". You are dedicated about it but one day I sincerely hope u see him for what he truly was and turn to Christ like millions of exmulslims before you.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 4:08am On Apr 25, 2015
[quote author=Empiree post=33043849][/quote]

Kai, you dealt with this girl (Ifeann aka parisbookaddict) today o! grin

In this comment that she posted...

Again u posted this below after the psalms, which may lead people to think such is contained in the bible.



Please next time post the quran verse immediately after ur quran's/Mohammeds byeboo's foul words and don't associate it intentional or not with a bible verse.

-Ifeann aka parisbookaddict


Can you imagine that she stated categorically above that the verse contained 'foul words' without knowing that it's from the bible cheesy. Ifeann, thank you for that HONEST conclusion; even though it was a mistake (you can't possibly be honest intentionally) wink



Now she's claiming that she's not perfect. If it happened the other way round, she would have littered NL with the claim that you lied purposely to slight her. Now she says she's not perfect- if only she had the conscience to treat others with the same leniency! This is the same person that commits grammatical blunders but never misses the chance to make jest of others when they err. She is a perfect definition of anti-christ, always doing the exact opposite of what Jesus preached!!!

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 4:17am On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:


Kai, you dealt with this girl (Ifeann aka parisbookaddict) today o! grin

In this comment that she posted...


-Ifeann aka parisbookaddict


Can you imagine that she stated categorically above that the verse contained 'foul words' without knowing that it's from the bible cheesy



Now she's claiming that she's not perfect. If it happened the other way round, she would have littered NL with the claim that you lied purposely to slight her. Now she says she's not perfect- if only she had the conscience to treat others with the same leniency! This is the same person that commits grammatical blunders but never misses the chance to make jest of others when they err. She is a perfect definition of anti-christ, always doing the exact opposite of what Jesus preached!!!

Uda.tso accused me yesterday of what I didn't do, when he apologised I accepted, didnt make a fuss thereafter.

Empiree pointed out to me a verse I didn't know, I thanked him after checking and seeing the true message. Infact he is the first muslim to do this on nairaland.


here was my reply,



Lol. You are so excited. I have NOT come across the verse before, the Bible is a very large book containing thousands of years of revelations throughout Jewish history unlike the short quran recited by one man, Mohammed.



I am not perfect, I know a lot but not everything.

The verse says




Malachi 2:1-6 King James Version (KJV)
2 And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings: yea, I have cursed them already, because ye do not lay it to heart.
3 Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.
4 And ye shall know that I have sent this commandment unto you, that my covenant might be with Levi, saith the Lord of hosts.
5 My covenant was with him of life and peace; and I gave them to him for the fear wherewith he feared me, and was afraid before my name.
6 The law of truth was in his mouth, and iniquity was not found in his lips: he walked with me in peace and equity, and did turn many away from iniquity.



It read like one of the many insults of Mohammed in his quran directed to the Christians and Jews. I don't need to quote them, u quote them often.

In fact I had to run to verify. Then I saw the full context from the preceeding verses. And the warning starts by saying

; And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you.
2 If ye will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart, to give glory unto my name, saith the Lord of hosts, I will even send a curse upon you, and I will curse your blessings.


Do u see how the warning is for priests who don't keep Gods commandments. All the fake pastors and priests should be worried about this verse because all crimes (without repentance) have consequences.


This empiree is how I expect u and other Muslims to explain ur quran, not by insults or buy trying to cite circumstantial context but by giving inner and symbolic context as well as posting the verses before and after a verse that better explains the meaning should it do.

You on the other hand using al Taqiyya gave malachi verse a very different meaning.




Infact this verse reminds me of what happened to Mohammed who lied about being a prophet from God and didn't keep any of the 10 commandments from reading the quran and hadiths..

Look at this warning again

Behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces, even the dung of your solemn feasts; and one shall take you away with it.


Corrupt your seed (regarding offspring) and Dung upon your faces(disgrace) are both seemingly metaphors.

Mohammed's seed was corrupt, he couldn't produce a male offspring despite having dozens of sex partners, all his "seeds" died prematurely (including Fatima who died shortly after him ) his male grandkids from his only child(Fatima) who out lived him by a few years were butchered by Muslims.

Also don't forget Mohammed was disgraced by dying with an erection that refused to "de erect" after his death after suffering for 4 years and getting fat and had to be carried around like "poop".

Empiree thanks for bringing this verse to my notice I will be quoting it in context for my critic of Mohammed as further evidence that he is a false prophet.

Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Empiree: 4:22am On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


[s][size=5pt]Dude u have made several false statements

You said,
I never said churches in Africa do voodoo. Christian churches don't do that.

This is what I said.
I meant all the voodoo in African society, this is why perhaps some ill informed "Christians" pray in a very confrontational and even hateful manner.. Eg curse my enemies in the village doing voodoo. Now that is very different from what u accused me of saying.

Stop using Taqiyya or perhaps u just misunderstood me. But i'll let this one slide.


Its also nice that u admitted it was ur Islamic mind that made up the false 90 percent information on how Christians act.

You also falsely said this,

When have i ever said that my focus is on miracles or prophecies.never. I don't even comment on such threads. Talkless of endorsing such. I see some Christians taking the words of the "doomsday prophesy" pastors serious about Nigerian elections, sports etc and I smh in pity for them. A lot have been exposed as giving false prophecies and that's on record, its a good way of spotting false teachers.
My major focus on Christianity is Jesus Christ and adhering to the gospel as much as my flawed and humble self can.

Now I will ignore some of ur other rants but I can't help laugh at this.


dude but why lie. U do know that ur imams make hateful teaching in ur mosques. This is why statistically, Muslims are prone to murder non-muslims on Friday after Islamic prayers. I have seen some videos of ur scholar, imams preaching/teahing and I see how hatefilled it is.

There was this incident I think last year when the Catholics invited the Hindus, buddhists , Muslims etcetera for an inter faith prayer session for peace (interfaith prayers are a joke) or something of that nature and it was broadcast live. The imam cleverly added a prayed to Islamic allah to give Muslims victory over the "infidels", he said this in Arabic and it was picked up by exmuslims who exposed the Catholics/ vaticans ignorance about Islam.

dude u know Islam is violent and teaches several morally disturbing things, but I understand why you feel you need to defend ur "prophet". You are dedicated about it but one day I sincerely hope u see him for what he truly was and turn to Christ like millions of exmulslims before you.[/size][/s]
I wanted to take my time to analyze your foremost comments but reading your last 3 paragraphs forfeited your chances. So drop all that stricken-through in the bin below (u proved nothing)

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Empiree: 4:32am On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:


Kai, you dealt with this girl (Ifea.nn aka parisbook.addict) today o! grin

She's bogus but trying to be smart. Now she twisted that bible verse.

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 4:34am On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


Uda.tso accused me yesterday of what I didn't do, when he apologised I accepted, didnt make a fuss thereafter.

Empiree pointed out to me a verse I didn't know, I thanked him after checking and seeing the true message. Infact he is the first muslim to do this on nairaland.


here was my reply,



All Bull S*hit!!

Doesn't change a thing about my post.



- If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

-You ALWAYS ridicule people for making the slightest mistake in their posts, while you make worse mistakes yourself. Only that when you do, you have a readymade excuse to defend yourself, but never consider that the same could apply to those you're judging undecided


- Empiree dealt with you cheesy

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 4:39am On Apr 25, 2015
Empiree:
She's bogus but trying to be smart. Now she twisted that bible verse.

That's her ministry!

Twisting and Turning cheesy cheesy

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Empiree: 4:51am On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:


All Bull S*hit!!

Doesn't change a thing about my post.



- If it was E.mpir.ee who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

-You ALWAYS ridicule people for making the slightest mistake in their posts, while you make worse mistakes yourself. Only that when you do, you have a readymade excuse to defend yourself, but never consider that the same could apply to those you're judging undecided


- Empire.e dealt with you cheesy


You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 5:10am On Apr 25, 2015
Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

Exactly!! If the reverse was the case, even NL itself would have known that it's about to explode. Lol

Imagine someone who claims that she has read all the contents of the Quran (bloody lie!), how come she's oblivious to her own bible contents

#CharityBeginsAbroad

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 8:50am On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:


All Bull S*hit!!

Doesn't change a thing about my post.



- If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

-You ALWAYS ridicule people for making the slightest mistake in their posts, while you make worse mistakes yourself. Only that when you do, you have a readymade excuse to defend yourself, but never consider that the same could apply to those you're judging undecided


- Empiree dealt with you cheesy



Yes I used to point out grammatical errors, However, some people may not write correctly but they STILL DO make some sense, so I prefer to refrain.

However, I don't hesitate to point out the errors on those who don't construct their comments properly or use proper tenses as well as don't make sense. .
My very few spelling mistakes are very often because of the autocorrect errors from when I use my droid phone, I have pointed this out to u before.

You also said
- If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!

This is very false. infact I have often told u Muslims to read your quran in 21th century English and not 7th century classical Arabic (which u recite). Many of u read the quran but don't know the verses in ur language. So I expect many Muslims not to know several verses I quote. Its not a big deal.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 8:53am On Apr 25, 2015
Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

Did I deny I didn't know about the verse. Nope. I didn't. So what's ur point.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 10:09am On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:
[s]

Yes I used to point out grammatical errors, However, some people may not write correctly but they STILL DO make some sense, so I prefer to refrain.

However, I don't hesitate to point out the errors on those who don't construct their comments properly or use proper tenses as well as don't make sense. .
My very few spelling mistakes are very often because of the autocorrect errors from when I use my droid phone, I have pointed this out to u before.

You also said

This is very false. infact I have often told u Muslims to read your quran in 21th century English and not 7th century classical Arabic (which u recite). Many of u read the quran but don't know the verses in ur language. So I expect many Muslims not to know several verses I quote. Its not a big deal. [/s]



Dear sir,- or is it ma?

If you do really want to make headlines, try and be honest for once- just once! wink


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, Minister for TWISTING AND LYING, how market?

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 10:22am On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


Did I deny I didn't know about the verse. Nope. I didn't. So what's ur point.

You NEVER understand any post that expose your folly, it's your favorite tactic!

This is his point (underlined)...


Empiree:
You see, when it comes to that Bible verse, it wasnt mistake. She simply did not know about it. She later read her Bible and realized it was there. And yes, if she had quoted a verse of Quran like that and I denied, oh my God, hell of "attaqiyah" would loose on NL. She's a pain in the neck.

I also said this myself...


If it was E.mpiree who wrongly claimed that a word from the Quran wasn't there, you'd have made a storm in a teacup, you'd have said it was an intentional lie!


Now, how hard is it to understand those SIMPLE SENTENCES Except you have a PhD in TWISTING AND DRIBBLING wink

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 10:47am On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:




Dear sir,- or is it ma?

If you do really want to make headlines, try and be honest for once- just once! wink


Ifeann aka parisbookaddict aka male aka female, Minister for TWISTING AND LYING, how market?

I have been as honest as I can as well as Trying my best not to misrepresent Islam and stating what the quran and hadiths say about Mohammed .

Can u be honest and answer these yes or No questions.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

Waiting for ur HONEST answers.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 10:59am On Apr 25, 2015
[quote author=Empiree post=33081649] what's your own understanding concerning the hadith on image prohibition in Islam
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 11:03am On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


I have been as honest as I can as well as Trying my best not to misrepresent Islam and stating what the quran and hadiths say about Mohammed .

Can u be honest and answer these yes or No questions.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

Waiting for ur HONEST answers.



If you wanna know anything about Islam or Prophet Muhammad, just do your research.. we are tired of refuting your conspiracy theories.. seems you have run out of conspiracy theories that's why you bring the one we have answered countless times.. better accept Islam instead of beating around the bush in which you know you are lost...

no shame in accepting the truth ...

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 11:22am On Apr 25, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:




If you wanna know anything about Islam or Prophet Muhammad, just do your research.. we are tired of refuting your conspiracy theories.. seems you have run out of conspiracy theories that's why you bring the one we have answered countless times.. better accept Islam instead of beating around the bush in which you know you are lost...

no shame in accepting the truth ...

You Muslims like to invite people to Islam but always avoid to mention that if one chooses to renounce Islam, they will get beheaded.

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 12:43pm On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


You Muslims like to invite people to Islam but always avoid to mention that if one chooses to renounce Islam, they will get beheaded.

Allah's Apostle said, "The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." — Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:83:17 ”


you at it again.. you and your false claims.. how many times will we correct you on this apostate beheading issue.. you have learnt alot here about Islam and you know it's the truth. accepting truth is the only way to save yourself. stop thinking about what people will think about you if you revert to Muslim. nobody really cares about anybody. . it's gunna be you alone in the grave.. if you not a Muslim, it's gunna be hard for you down there..

you acting just like the jews who hate jesus for no reasonable reason..

please read Aramaic Bible (original Bible) that's where bible In English was translated from. read it and see truth about everything you don't believe nor understand...



peace

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Ifeann(f): 3:03pm On Apr 25, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:



you at it again.. you and your false claims.. how many times will we correct you on this apostate beheading issue.. you have learnt alot here about Islam and you know it's the truth. accepting truth is the only way to save yourself. stop thinking about what people will think about you if you revert to Muslim. nobody really cares about anybody. . it's gunna be you alone in the grave.. if you not a Muslim, it's gunna be hard for you down there..

you acting just like the jews who hate jesus for no reasonable reason..

please read Aramaic Bible (original Bible) that's where bible In English was translated from. read it and see truth about everything you don't believe nor understand...



peace

shahydbinaliyu u sincerely think u are correct but u have believed a lie.

I rather be with Christ in heaven witnessing the Glory of God , than with Mohammed drinking wine, eating dates and having sex with virgin houris in his imaginary paradise with his Islamic al.lah.

Please can u repost ur attempted rebuttal to the apostasy law. I sincerely want ur view on it ,tho, its expected to be esoteric. I haven't seen it. I quoted ur authentic sahih hadith, I would like to see who u quote.


Again u said the aramaic bible is the original, but for weeks u said it was the Greek translation. I let u to continue in ur ignorance because I wasn't ready to argue on such an elementary issue. What u don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that the original manuscripts are all available and they number in the tens of thousands and they all say the same thing "Jesus is Lord, Son of God".

You said


you acting just like the jews who hate jesus for no reasonable reason..
I guess u mean my views on Mohammed. Well I don't hate Mohammed but I detest his deeds and lies.

I often say amongst other things that Mohammed was a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 6:30pm On Apr 25, 2015
Ifeann:


I have been as honest dubious as I can as well as Trying my best not to misrepresent Islam and stating what the quran and hadiths say about Mohammed .

[s] [size=4pt] Can u be honest and answer these yes or No questions.

Did Mohammed sleep with a child, 9 year old
Aisha?YES/NO
Did he kill people?YES/NO
Did Mohammed command his followers to fight people based on their beliefs?YES/NO
Did he sleep with slaves?YES/NO
Did he command his followers to sleep with captives their right hand possess?YES/NO
Did Mohammed marry more wives than Islamic Allah permits Muslims?YES/NO
Did he perform any miracles?YES/NO
Did he contradict himself?YES/NO/I DON'T KNOW
Did he permit the murder of his critics?YES/NO
Did herapewomen during after war, which he
called war booty?{I.e Slave-girls as sexual property}YES/NO
Did he permit Muslims to beat their wives? {Even if but lightly}YES/NO
Did he ask people to drink camel piss for good health?YES, HEALTHY/NO, HE DIDN'T
Did Mohammed say apostates should be killed?YES & I CONCUR / YES, BUT I DON'T CONCUR / NO, HE COULDN'T HAVE!

Waiting for ur HONEST answers. [/size] [/s]


[size=14pt] Yes. That's very true!! [/size]



Ifeann:


[s] [size=4pt] shahydbinaliyu u sincerely think u are correct but u have believed a lie.

I rather be with Christ in heaven witnessing the Glory of God , than with Mohammed drinking wine, eating dates and having sex with virgin houris in his imaginary paradise with his Islamic al.lah.

Please can u repost ur attempted rebuttal to the apostasy law. I sincerely want ur view on it ,tho, its expected to be esoteric. I haven't seen it. I quoted ur authentic sahih hadith, I would like to see who u quote.


Again u said the aramaic bible is the original, but for weeks u said it was the Greek translation. I let u to continue in ur ignorance because I wasn't ready to argue on such an elementary issue. What u don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that the original manuscripts are all available and they number in the tens of thousands and they all say the same thing "Jesus is Lord, Son of God".

You said


I guess u mean my views on Mohammed. Well I don't hate Mohammed but I detest his deeds and lies.

I often say amongst other things that Mohammed was a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes. [/size] [/s]

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by Empiree: 6:36pm On Apr 25, 2015
9jaforlife:



[size=14pt] Yes. That's very true!! [/size]




grin

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 6:28am On Apr 26, 2015
9jaforlife:



[size=14pt] Yes. That's very true!! [/size]







laughing... ain't you got brains? don't you see you still insulting Prophet Muhammad? don't you notice that you also behaving like the jews? jews hating Jesus and you hating Prophet Muhammad... you are plainly lost and you know it. . you insulting Prophet of Allah.. and you know it.. what do you want to gain in these trash you doing.. laughing... you? with Jesus? laughing... jesus wey you no follow... jesus no go church, you going church, jesus prayed like Muslim and you never did, jesus prophesied Prophet Muhammad and yet you denied Prophet Muhammad.. now tell me, what will make you be with him? original Christians are no more.. they exist only during Jesus time....
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 6:29am On Apr 26, 2015
9jaforlife:



[size=14pt] Yes. That's very true!! [/size]





laughing.... these conspiracy theories again.. even though we have treated it so many times

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 6:40am On Apr 26, 2015
Ifeann:


shahydbinaliyu u sincerely think u are correct but u have believed a lie.

I rather be with Christ in heaven witnessing the Glory of God , than with Mohammed drinking wine, eating dates and having sex with virgin houris in his imaginary paradise with his Islamic al.lah.

Please can u repost ur attempted rebuttal to the apostasy law. I sincerely want ur view on it ,tho, its expected to be esoteric. I haven't seen it. I quoted ur authentic sahih hadith, I would like to see who u quote.


Again u said the aramaic bible is the original, but for weeks u said it was the Greek translation. I let u to continue in ur ignorance because I wasn't ready to argue on such an elementary issue. What u don't know or refuse to acknowledge is that the original manuscripts are all available and they number in the tens of thousands and they all say the same thing "Jesus is Lord, Son of God".

You said


I guess u mean my views on Mohammed. Well I don't hate Mohammed but I detest his deeds and lies.

I often say amongst other things that Mohammed was a pagan sex addicted slave trader mass murderer illiterate Arab paedophile.
Was he a pagan. Yes, most likely.
For example;
1. Mohammed's Pagan father was called Abdullah, which means slave of Allah long before Mohammed started Islam.
2. The crescent moon and star is seen high above almost every mosque not to mention the moon god was allegedly one of the 360 gods of the kabba.
3. The muslim obsession with black clothes.
4. The Islamic black flag.
5. The kissing of the black stone done by Muslims which was started by Mohammed for no apparent reason.
6. The circling of the kabba.
7. Compulsory pilgrimage for Muslims which was done by pagans in mecca before Islam.
8. Bowing down and facing mecca when praying. Etc
9. Cultural Superstitions and unfounded hate for wall geckos, dogs(mans best friend), cats etc
All these are some of the red flags that indicate that there maybe more to Islam than meets the eye. These pagan practises are not seen in Judaism and Christianity which Mohammed claims are people of the book and says he is one of their "prophets". Could Islam be the worlds largest monotheistic pagan religion. Let's look at more evidence.
2.sex addict, yes certainly.
The quran and hadiths are filled with his relationships with his 11 - 13 wives, including sex with his sex slaves. It is everywhere in ur quran and hadiths.
3. slave trader.
Do I need to remind u of all the hadiths of him trading slaves including his exchange of 2 black slaves for one Arab slave ..etc
Here are some reminders for you from ur sources;
Bukhari (34:432)- Another account of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked also asked about Reproduction interruptus.
Bukhari (47.765)- A woman is rebuked by Muhammad for freeing a slave girl. The prophet tells her that she would have gotten a greater heavenly reward by giving her to a relative (as a slave).
Bukhari (34:351)- Muhammad sells a slave for money. He was thus a slave trader.
4. mass murderer:
ï won't go into details in this because u know the truth from ur hadiths.
Let me remind u of some quran verses.
Quran 8:39. "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah; but if they desist, then surely Allah sees what they do."
Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."
Sura 9:5. "When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them."
5. illiterate:
Muslims are the ones who tell me he was illiterate and he managed to recite the quran, this is in an effort to prove he was a prophet.
6. Arab:
Mohammed was an Arab or was he African.
7. Paedophile: yes he was, he married to Aisha and consummated the the marriage when she was nine years. Several Muslims say it was allowed in the Arab culture back then but I ask is it moral or right. ??
Look I don't even think Mohammed was an illiterate, I also think he was an intelligent man. I get offended when people call him names like silly or silly or any thing disparaging his intellect or not backed up by facts.
I also think Mohammed was brave and fearless. But these attributes do NOT make him a true prophet. Hilter, Stalin etc also had these attributes.




laughing.. here we go again with conspiracy theories... we have done debunking that... run along and bring another faabu ea

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Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by 9jaforlife: 4:38pm On Apr 26, 2015
shahydbinaliyu:


laughing.... these conspiracy theories again.. even though we have treated it so many times

Don't mind her! She has exhausted her tank of propaganda, no more new lies to spread. Hence she needs to recycle old ones over and over again!!

shahydbinaliyu:




laughing... ain't you got brains?.....

grin grin

You wrongly quoted me instead of the queen of confusion. Kindly edit.
Re: How Can We Recognise False Teachers? by shahydbinaliyu(m): 7:13pm On Apr 26, 2015
9jaforlife:


Don't mind her! She has exhausted her tank of propaganda, no more new lies to spread. Hence she needs to recycle old ones over and over again!!



grin grin

You wrongly quoted me instead of the queen of confusion. Kindly edit.

sorry bro

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