linearity:


Evolution never said or suggested that men evolved from beast. It is men's misconception of evolution that concluded that. Pick up a good book on evolution to read up on the suggestion.

Evolution of natural selection states that, all lives are related and descended from a common ancestor. Put simply, complex creatures evolved from more simplistic ancestors naturally over time.

It never state that men evolved from apes, or birds evolved from lizards.

Even today's science of natural genetic mutation and metamorphosis shows time, over time dominant genes survives the race condition and recessive or weaker genes dies off.

Note that, Darwin's theory of evolution never answered the question of "beginning or the origin of all things". Evolution presupposes these existences, hence it does not contradict the Bible or Genesis account of creationism.

An indept student of the Bible and the Darwin's theory of Evolution's natural selection will note the difference and see one do not contradict the other.

"beast" as in lower forms of man during the stages of evolution

I never implied that man evolved from lizards , birds

KingEbukasBlog:

exactly


theistic evolutionist , you are playing the "thinking christian"

1.So explain the fall of man . Is it literal or figurative?

2.Genesis 1:27



Creation is a process but no an evolutionary one. God had to wait for millions of years before man was made it his image , after evolving from a lower form?



Theistic evolution hold no water at all .

The fall of man describes a spiritual fall, it's not like man fell and bruised his knees so it's clearly not literal.

If God commands something, as far as he's concerned it's already done. He doesn't have to wait a million years for the evolution process. He commands man to be created, and man is created... Time is a construct that applies only to us mortals. The clock does not tick for God who acts outside time. Isn't it the same way God kept calling Abraham a father of many nations when the old man didn't even have any children? God calls the things that are not yet, as though they have been.

If you think it does not hold water, all well and good, you're entitled to that opinion. But if you truly understand the claims of evolution you'll realize that it does not talk about the very beginnings of the species. It does not even discuss what caused the evolution process. So saying it goes against the Bible does not make sense.

The OP is on A Loose Course to be coming up with all this Fallacious Theories of his.I Gues He Is 6million Years To Have Such Insightful Knowledge Of The Murkey Tales Inherent In The Greatest Story Ever Sold(Bible).I Ask What if we die and later find out that indeed the Greatest Story ever told (The Bible),is Just The Greatest Story ever Sold??

Stop confusing yourselves, the "bible" which you people like to quote is contradictory even in its simplest form. Since the beginning, humans have tried to explain their world and themselves, yet they seem to get more confused. Whether there is God or not, whether you believe or not. The overall message is simple and clear, LOVE (Not the diluted version you guys know). It's preached in every religion, understood in every language, encouraged by every folktale, and practised in every culture. True LOVE, that knows no colour, race, tribe, or religion. The LOVE which is "the beautiful scent that the flower leaves on the heels that crushed it".

I dare you to try it!!!!

KingEbukasBlog:


A huge "Lol" at this , I read this twice and it just raised more questions while refuting my post . And it doesn't understand the so-called "misconceptions" .It just beats round the bush and leaves your more confused .

Why the lols?! I am not confused and didn't refute your post at any point, we're trying to clear the air on the misconceptions.
Digest this;


Most Christians have a big problem
here understanding the first two verses of
the Bible!


God created the earth, a beautiful home, for His
children.
He created it perfect, as He always does with
everything He creates, and He created it to be
inhabited.
Listen to Him:
Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the LORD that created the
heavens; God himself that formed the
earth and made it; he hath established
it, He created it not in vain, He formed it
to be inhabited: I am the LORD; and
there is none else.
Let there be no doubt about who is speaking
here.
It is the Creator God of Genesis 1:1.
This is extremely important because He says
that He did not create the earth in "vain",
but He formed it to be inhabited, and it was
habitable.
The word "vain" used here is the Hebrew word
"tohu"
and it means desolation, utter waste.
God did not create the earth as a desolation, a
wasteland.
It certainly makes sense, for even man doesn't
create things "tohu".

Now let us return to Genesis 1 and read verse 2.
[2] And the earth was without form, and
void; and darkness was upon the face of
the deep. And the Spirit of God moved
upon the face of the waters.
Uh, oh!
We have a big problem.

We just read in Gen 1:1 that God created the
heaven and the earth
and now it says that the earth was without
"form" and void,
which is the exact same word, "tohu", used in
Isa. 45:18.
In fact the phrase "tohu va bohu", without form
and void,
means totally and utterly desolate and wasted.
Look it up in Strong's concordance.
Remember, don't take man's word for it,
document it!
The apparent contradiction (of which there
is none, and there never is)
lies in the improper translation of the verb
"to be"
which is translated "was" in verse two,
instead of "became".
It is exactly the same word translated
"became" in Gen. 2:7"and man 'became' a
living soul".
Check it out!
You will also find that some translations have it
correct.
In fact, if you have access to an NIV
translation,
you will note that they suggest "or became"
in place of "was".
Therefore, Isa. 45:18 is correct.
God created the earth beautiful and perfect, to
be inhabited.
That could have been millions or billions or
trillions of years ago.
But then, in verse two, something must have
happened because the earth became "tohu
va bohu".
The beautiful earth that our Father made to
be inhabited was destroyed.
And guess what?
You can see evidence of it everywhere, in
the geological layers of the earth's crust,
in the fossils pressed between the rocks, in
the bones of the dinosaurs,
in the tilt of the earth's axis, etc., etc., etc.
So was there a "Lost City of Atlantis"?
Was there a "Lost World", a "World That Then
Was"?
The Bible gives us the answers in detail!

To study the Bible is the noblest of all
pursuits; to understand it, the highest of all
goals.
I pray that with the guidance of the Holy
Spirit, you accomplish both.

@OP --also note that 'a day' as U Refer does not imply '24hrs' round the cloak

Why do u want to understand something even Jesus don't know, God only allow the human brain to understand only the things ment for us to so it will to somehow dangerous trying to understand God cos HE is not a man and no man can even understand Him.

roqchiq:
Stop confusing yourselves, the "bible" which you people like to quote is contradictory even in its simplest form. Since the beginning, humans have tried to explain their world and themselves, yet they seem to get more confused. Whether there is God or not, whether you believe or not. The overall message is simple and clear, LOVE (Not the diluted version you guys know). It's preached in every religion, understood in every language, encouraged by every folktale, and practised in every culture. True LOVE, that knows no colour, race, tribe, or religion. The LOVE which is "the beautiful scent that the flower leaves on the heels that crushed it".

I dare you to try it!!!!

Now this is true humanism speaking... i likey

KingEbukasBlog:
Hello Christians who are really passionate about God . Today , I want to talk about many misconceptions about the creation story . I've read interesting debates concerning this issue(creation story) and I want to address some things most Christians find mind boggling .

Errmm , I wanted to write about pre-adamic creation (life before Adam , yes there was) but let me deal with this first.

So here are few things the Bible never said about the creation story

1.The beginning was 6,000 years ago
Genesis 1:1

Ive always talked about God being a self-existent and ageless being .He is the creator of living things , planets , universe etc. Now ,this verse has always been misunderstood . Its just talking about the original creation of the universe billions of years ago .

2.The earth was created 6,000 years ago
Genesis 1:1-2



My God ! Christians have been mocked with the 'earth is 6,000 years old ' thingy and its very embarrassing . People get these two verses mixed up . Periods of Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 are different . Genesis 1:2 is talking about the period of restoration of earth and recreation of natural forms in it . A lot happened between these two periods which will be addressed in another thread.

3.Light and darkness were created in day 1 as seen in Genesis 1:5

Genesis 1:5


The functionalities of the sun and moon on earth were restored on day 1

4.The sun , moon and stars were created on day 4

No no no they weren't .They were created in the beginning before the existence of earth . God just regulated them in connection with the restored earth

5.Animals , birds ,man were first created on day 5 and 6

Some were created during the pre-adamic age but were destroyed by the first universal flood (Lucifer's flood). This would be addressed fully in a new thread . A quick bible reference

2 Peter 3:5-7



6.Vegetation came forth for the first time in day 3 .
Dear Christian, Jeremiah 4:23-26 doesn't agree with you


This proves that there was vegetation during the pre-adamic age

7.The earth was created 6,000 years ago

No sir/ma , it was restored 6,000 years ago
A quick look at Genesis 1:1-2

"... and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters ", what waters ? And we all thought the earth was created in day 3 ! Seeeee ... after God destroyed everything on earth in the first universal flood , there was chaos and it was flooded . God then began its restoration as His Spirit was hovering over the waters.

And yes ,Satan lived among the pre-adamic men or during the age of the 'first earth' .Look at Isaiah 14:12-14



This happened during pre-adamic age not after the 'creation ' ( recreation) . Some think this happened moments before the "talking snake" caused t

8.That Adam was the first man God created .
Adam was a recreation of man in God's image . Isaiah 14:12-14 , Jeremiah 4:23-26 and 2 Peter 3:5-7 quoted above have already proven that 'men and nations' existed before Adam .

9.That the universe , earth are a product of evolution .
Nope, God created all of them

Ephesians 3:9


Colossians 1:15-18


10. Man is a product of evolution - from lower life forms , to cave men
The Bible says God created man perfect and intelligent
Genesis 1:27



Evolution denies the first cause. The theory starts with matter being in existence . The theory is that all forms of life derived from gradual modification from simpler forms to a complex form.

Genesis 1:21



A Christian should not accept evolution because

1.evolution says man evolved from beast , so our Lord Jesus Christ was an evolved beast or a product of evolution?
2.The bible clearly stated that we (men) are created in God's image , ET clearly denies that
3.ET also degrades God's image to a mere beast
4.It nullifies the idea of the Bible creation by God
5. It denies miracles , the supernatural and the bodily resurrection of Christ ... and I can go on and on

cc: lalasticlala

Please , You can ask me questions if need be

For point 8. The passages quoted are not in line.

Quote me wrong... Uve been reading Gods plan for man by dake

InesQor:


The fall of man describes a spiritual fall, it's not like man[b] fall and bruised his knees so it's clearly not literal[/b].

at bolded text - no one is saying that

1.So what led to this spiritual fall of man

2a.Where exactly does the real story or occurrences of biblical events start . Noah , Abraham?
2b If we should take the story of Adam and his fall as figurative then Christ is, because he came from Seth's( a son of Adam) line

If God commands something, as far as he's concerned it's already done. He doesn't have to wait a million years for the evolution process. He commands man to be created, and man is created

Am confused , are you saying evolution didnt take millions of years?

... Time is a construct that applies only to us mortals. The clock does not tick for God who acts outside time. Isn't it the same way God kept calling Abraham a father of many nations when the old man didn't even have any children? God calls the things that are not yet, as though they have been.

- ive always said this

If you think it does not hold water, all well and good, you're entitled to that opinion. But if you truly understand the claims of evolution you'll realize that it does not talk about the very beginnings of the species. It does not even discuss what caused the evolution process. So saying it goes against the Bible does not make sense.

1.Selection causes evolution
2.Evolution says life forms were not designed but came from gradual modification of organisms , thus needing no designer

I think theistic evolutionists need to come out to explain their own process . Maybe you could please give a quick summary of your own view of creation with evolution as that process

itzWarner:
Interesting .....just serve God and make heaven,you don't really need to killnyourself with headache over something you'll never understand

your talk is attributed to brainwash

nairalandbuzz:


For point 8, u are wrong... The passages quoted are not in line

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It is - it explains the age before Adam

DaPhilosopher:
Hmmm!


But saying sth is self existent is contradictory!

There is this rule that says nothing create itself (non-symmetrical).

Also, where was the creator when He (or She) was creating the world? Can a creator be in wt He (or She) was (is) creating?

Creationism is a big problem on it own and goes beyond Biblical accounts cos there are so many unanswered questions.

But since religion needs 'faith' (dogma) to thrive, such questions are treated as unnecessary.

I'll assume this thread is for the 'religious' people.

My philosophical opinion!

The creator is a spirit,can u ask a spirit 'were are you'?

I opened this thread hoping to see myriads of biblical and non-biblical evidence supporting the OP's view but all I got were unsubstantiated opinion.
This thread should be retitled "my views on creation".

itzWarner:
Interesting .....just serve God and make heaven,you don't really need to killnyourself with headache over something you'll never understand

THank yoy Bro....I worry myself over all this things before but right now I don't care my concern is I believe in God,Jesus as my LORD and just want to make heaven my eternity.....If earth like let it be 50million years,it is inconsequential to me

KingEbukasBlog:


"beast" as in lower forms of man during the stages of evolution

I never implied that man evolved from lizards , birds

So, I guess you believe in Evolution then?

I know you never mention man evolved from lizard, bird...I never said that either and my response never indicated that you said that.

I was just making a reference about Evolution generally in that, Ape and man have a common ancestor, also lizards and birds have a common ancestor as per the Evolutionary theory of natural selection.

If you believe in the survival of the fitness, or the theory of natural selection, which the weakness are dominated by the strongest, then you inherently believe in the theory of Evolution but are distancing yourself because of how the society have defined Evolution to be contrary to the Bible, but if you ignore what you have come to learn from society about Evolution and pick up a good book on the subject, you will realize that, it did not contradict the Creationism in the Bible neither did it attempt to explain how man came to be.

Evolution is simply telling us what happens to all species genetically from point A to point B, where point B is 'now'....The Bible in Genesis tells us how we got to point A and it never told us how we changed from point A onward.

nairalandbuzz:


For point 8. The passages quoted are not in line.

Quote me wrong... Uve been reading Gods plan for man by dake

Not that book but his explanations + internet research answered most of the questions I had about creations . I also searched pre-adamic age on the internet and read about the talking snake . Do you know Dake's opinion about the talking snake is quite different from another research I made nairalandbuzz ?

KingEbukasBlog:
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It is - it explains the age before Adam

I ve edited my post... I knew there were creations but never knew men were there... Explained above in my earlier post

inviix:


If I get God power, why will it take me 6k years to create heaven and earth?

in a vain to justify creationism, you diminish God.

How did I diminish God?

Permit me to erase the confusion emanating from your post. .. a day in God's eye is a thousand years in man's eye while this is a fact with biblical backing..
This also suggests that the 6 creative days represent 6 thousand years from man's standpoint, but from God's standpoint, it represents 6 days.
So technically, mathematically and logically I am still correct.. God created everything for 6000years looking at it from a human standpoint.
I suppose you should have asked for more clarification or details, or even try to prove me wrong instead of throwing a gigantic accusation on me.

KingEbukasBlog:

at bolded text - no one is saying that

1.So what led to this spiritual fall of man

2a.Where exactly does the real story or occurrences of biblical events start . Noah , Abraham?
2b If we should take the story of Adam and his fall as figurative then Christ is, because he came from Seth's( a son of Adam) line



Am confused , are you saying evolution didnt take millions of years?



- ive always said this



1.Selection causes evolution
2.Evolution says life forms were not designed but came from gradual modification of organisms , thus needing no designer

I think theistic evolutionists need to come out to explain their own process . Maybe you could please give a quick summary of your own view of creation with evolution as that process

For your questions about Adam, Noah etc I think you have a Bible?

About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer. In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders?

There is nothing to explain in the theistic evolution process beyond this; God created. How did God create? Via evolution. If it's still not clear, please read the article on Wikipedia.

This Sunday dull like hell. Foolish threads everywhere.

bond77:


Let me also add that when the Bible speaks of a day it means a thousand years, if you recall 2peter 3:9b says "one day with God is a thousand years and a thousand years as one day". this means that each creative day amounts to a thousand years in God's eye going by this calculation we can conclude that God created everything for 6000 years.
And on the 7th day he rest, mind you God is still resting because the 7th day is yet to come to an end,remember a day is equal to a thousand years so the 7th day amount to a thousand years.
Research shows that when this 7th day comes to end which signals the end of God's rest, God's Kingdom will come and armageddon will strike.
presently we are living at the edge of the conclusion of the 7th day.

Not in all cases, you have to read within the context of the text to deduce that....When Joshua asked the Sun to standstill for one day in the battle of the Amorites, the Sun did not Standstill for a thousand years....also when the Bible said Jonah spend three days and three nights in the belly of a fish, that does not mean he spend three thousand years.

I strongly believe eve came before adam, but it was reverse by those(men) who wrote and translated the bible.

fairheven:



The creator is a spirit,can u ask a spirit 'were are you'?

Seems u did real whr i said 'my philosophical opinion'?

Can u explain how a spirit created sth material? The 'light' (C&S Hymn book said he saw His Back) Moses saw on that mountain was spiritual too right? When did fire 'matter' becomes spiritual?

It is better you leave my post and enjoy you religion!

InesQor:


For your questions about Adam, Noah etc I think you have a Bible?

About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer. In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders?

There is nothing to explain in the theistic evolution process beyond this; God created. How did God create? Via evolution. If it's still not clear, please read the article on Wikipedia.

I'm I missing something here ??


then davien ,johnydon22 should come to my aid here

I wonder how stupid and senseless write-ups like this make frontpage.

OwerriChairman:
Wonderful Nonsense;
especially the part you said Adam was not the first man.
Are you serious?

It was after God said "Let us make man in our own image..." That He made Adam.

So, you mean there were nations somewhere at that time?
Yet God would say "Let us make man in our own image and likeness?"

Do you by any chance know that you re implying that God was not actually aware of those "nations" you are talking about?

Exactly why I called this a packaged nonsense!

u read but do not apply deep reasoning. Your statement is a practical example of brainwash and mind conditioning.. Food for thought

Genesis 4:13-17 New International
Version (NIV)
Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and[b]whoever finds me will kill
me.”[/b] who are the whoever Are the only people on earth not Adam eve, Cain and able lifeless body if I am to make it four. So where from the whoever?
Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. who give the name of the land nod Cain made love to his wife, and she
became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. As if the questions are not enough a wife then shows up! Cain was then building a city, and
he named it after his son Enoch. a city!!! Not even a house or village! City!!! The bible is very choosy about its words. So I hope u understand when they say built a city!!! Think!

InesQor:


For your questions about Adam, Noah etc I think you have a Bible?

You didnt answer my question - is the fall of man as written in the bible , literal or figurative

About evolution, you're still making things up. Evolution doesn't claim there is no need for a designer

Ok , I now understand why this is called theistic evolution Trying to say God is the cause

In fact, it claims that the design is such that it enhances improvements of features in the species. Life forms were not designed Gosh, where did you read that? Or you just feel like miseducating Nairalanders?
There is nothing to explain in the theistic evolution process beyond this; God created. How did God create? Via evolution. If it's still not clear, please read the article on Wikipedia.

You need to start from the basics of evolution . You are picking pieces to suite your claim

iamord:
u read but do not apply deep reasoning. Your statement is a practical example of brainwash and mind conditioning.. Food for thought

Genesis 4:13-17 New International
Version (NIV)
Cain said to the LORD, “My punishment is more than I can bear. Today you are driving me from the land, and I will be hidden from your presence; I will be a restless wanderer on the earth, and[b]whoever finds me will kill
me.”[/b] who are the whoever Are the only people on earth not Adam eve, Cain and able lifeless body if I am to make it four. So where from the whoever?
Then the LORD put a mark on Cain so that no one who found him would kill him. So Cain went out from the LORD’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden. who give the name of the land nod Cain made love to his wife, and she
became pregnant and gave birth to
Enoch. As if the questions are not enough a wife then shows up! Cain was then building a city, and
he named it after his son Enoch. a city!!! Not even a house or village! City!!! The bible is very choosy about its words. So I hope u understand when they say built a city!!! Think!

Nod - means wandering

Let me ask you mr. How many children did Adam have?

You can't confuse me. God did not destroy the earth with water twice, he didn't create any other man before adam but angels including lucifer and there were no nation existing before the creation of man. Don't know which of the versions you are quoting from.

DaPhilosopher:
Hmmm!


But saying sth is self existent is contradictory!

There is this rule that says nothing create itself (non-symmetrical).

Also, where was the creator when He (or She) was creating the world? Can a creator be in wt He (or She) was (is) creating?

Creationism is a big problem on it own and goes beyond Biblical accounts cos there are so many unanswered questions.

But since religion needs 'faith' (dogma) to thrive, such questions are treated as unnecessary.

I'll assume this thread is for the 'religious' people.

My philosophical opinion!

Mr. Philosopher,

How do you explain the sudden spontaneous release of energy which resulted in the "unimaginably chaotic event that ironically resulted in the formation of spatio-chronological order" that is the big bang?

What else do you scientists say created the current space-time continuum?

Do you agree that space-time would have long autodestructed before we had the chance to "evolve" if matter and energy had not behaved under strict governance of the quintessential "laws of physics"?

In my limited knowledge of such things, laws, whether governing neutrinos or nations, electrons or elections, are required to bring order out of chaos. Are you with me?

One question: If it takes intelligent discourse to promulgate laws in our everyday living experience, should it not follow that some form of intelligence ordered the laws of nature?

That's Good right there! Believing in God, with proper application of knowledge does answer a whole load of questions!

I am a scientist of sorts, intelligent after a fashion; I choose to believe in God, and Jesus is my Savior.

Have a nice day.

linearity:


So, I guess you believe in Evolution then?
I know you never mention man evolved from lizard, bird...I never said that either and my response never indicated that you said that.

I was just making a reference about Evolution generally in that, Ape and man have a common ancestor, also lizards and birds have a common ancestor as per the Evolutionary theory of natural selection.

If you believe in the survival of the fitness, or the theory of natural selection, which the weakness are dominated by the strongest, then you inherently believe in the theory of Evolution but are distancing yourself because of how the society have defined Evolution to be contrary to the Bible, but if you ignore what you have come to learn from society about Evolution and pick up a good book on the subject, you will realize that, it did not contradict the Creationism in the Bible neither did it attempt to explain how man came to be.

Evolution is simply telling us what happens to all species genetically from point A to point B, where point B is 'now'....The Bible in Genesis tells us how we got to point A and it never told us how we changed from point A onward.

I don't believe in evolution . Are you a Christian? If you are Christian , then why do you think evolution was that process God used in creation?