₦airaland Forum

patrickmuf:
If you really want a thorough assessment of the points you've raised, quit sounding out to your praise singers, you should be looking out for folks who you engage you in a proper debate...

Mogidi:
And in the other thread I called your dad a .... for raising a mentally deranged ..... who announces his presence on any thread with his trade mark tomfoolery.

Don't bother replying, you can bet I won't honour your invitation to derail.

socialmediaman:
I already tried to draw his attention to this issue but he hasn't really understood. Derivation is for the development of a region, not for the citizens to use to drink snapps and wine. Royalties paid to people who oil is developed on the lands is quite different from paying a single region half of the revenue. Furthermore, in most countries practicing resource control that I know, no one group of people lay claim to a land, there is equal rights among every citizen including not being referenced as visitor in any land. He seems not to realize that this whole resource control issue is a selfish ambition of some paymasters

francizy:
I think say you don commot from hospital oh.. Na wa oh

Are you sure the doc is giving the right treatment..?

Mogidi:
And in the other thread I called your dad a .... for raising a mentally deranged ..... who announces his presence on any thread with his trade mark tomfoolery.

Don't bother replying, you can bet I won't honour your invitation to derail.

patrickmuf:
Before we start the call for true federalism or 50% allocation, can we do a proper analysis of what has been achieved so far with what we have at hand?
Bet it still reads failure amidst plenty... Thus, until our leaders begin to lead us right, the story won't change not with 50% derivative nor with 100%...
Barca and co, channel you energy towards the fight for good governance and when it's a given we can start talking about true federalism... Until then, y'all dreamers...

Mogidi:
Bros what are you trying to say? What's your point exactly?

Built2last:
I stand with true federalism.

Regionalise this country, it will reduce power at the center and engender competitive development in the regions.

Macelliot:
People misunderstood the Biafra agenda..
facts was that: Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda only, though it was headed by an Igbo Man....
The term biafra was derived from the Bight of Bonny(calabar)....

The War against the Easterners was not only against Igbos, but the Efiks, Ibibios, Ogonis, Egbemas, Ijaws, Anangs, Ikwerres, and Igalas....
All these ethnic group constitutes the Eastern Region....
Even the Vice-president of Biafra from 1967-1969 was an Ibibio Man (Major Gen. Phillip Effiong) He later became the president (when Ojukwu went to exile), from 1969 till Biafra surrendered in 1970 ....
Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda but the Eastern Region agenda...
The term (south-south or Niger-delta) doesn't exist then.
The creation of South-south was to weaken the Biafra dream....

Whynotthetruth:
But I told you that my survival was more of a miracle... I can't say much here sha... Relax and pray for me if kpekus go fit allow you

superstar1:
Having spared time to read up on the self determination process, it is with heavy heart i am announcing to you that even the UN Charter does not guarantee it.

A lot of the power for self determination lies in the constitution of the country you are trying to secede from. If the constitution does not recognize secession or there are laid own process for secession in the constitution of the country in question, the UN will direct you back to that constitution.

If it was that easy Chenchya, Quebec, Western Australia, Basque County, Catalonia, Kurdistan and Western Sahara would have all been countries by now.

People should take time to read the self determination process. The fastest way is through the barrel and blood shedding. The longer than longest way is logical engagement through dialogue.

While the medium term way is to amend the constitution of the country to recognize self determination and secession. This was proposed pre-independence, but some people kicked against it vehemently.

Pick your choice.

francizy:
LoL, I say make u send me ur number for pm make I call you but u bone.. Unto say I no wan bug u make e no be like say me na gay, I just take my chill pill..

Try push ur number come make I hear from u on how things dey go..

Macelliot:
People misunderstood the Biafra agenda..
facts was that: Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda only, though it was headed by an Igbo Man....
The term biafra was derived from the Bight of Bonny(calabar)....

The War against the Easterners was not only against Igbos, but the Efiks, Ibibios, Ogonis, Egbemas, Ijaws, Anangs, Ikwerres, and Igalas....
All these ethnic group constitutes the Eastern Region....
Even the Vice-president of Biafra from 1967-1969 was an Ibibio Man (Major Gen. Phillip Effiong) He later became the president (when Ojukwu went to exile), from 1969 till Biafra surrendered in 1970 ....
Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda but the Eastern Region agenda...
The term (south-south or Niger-delta) doesn't exist then.
The creation of South-south was to weaken the Biafra dream....

Genius100:
Barcanista, the corrupt turncoat; so your new money making scheme is to cash in on ethnic sentiments? Funny you forgot to mention how OBJ significantly increased the Niger Delta 's derivation to 13% from 3%. Even GEJ from Niger Delta could not achieve what OBJ did for Niger Delta...

donnypool:
Thank God for that o, southern nigeria is better than being a biafran, south south will be an independent nation on her own.

we nor want biafra

Macelliot:
People misunderstood the Biafra agenda..
facts was that: Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda only, though it was headed by an Igbo Man....
The term biafra was derived from the Bight of Bonny(calabar)....

The War against the Easterners was not only against Igbos, but the Efiks, Ibibios, Ogonis, Egbemas, Ijaws, Anangs, Ikwerres, and Igalas....
All these ethnic group constitutes the Eastern Region....
Even the Vice-president of Biafra from 1967-1969 was an Ibibio Man (Major Gen. Phillip Effiong) He later became the president (when Ojukwu went to exile), from 1969 till Biafra surrendered in 1970 ....
Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda but the Eastern Region agenda...
The term (south-south or Niger-delta) doesn't exist then.
The creation of South-south was to weaken the Biafra dream....

Whynotthetruth:
let me engage you a little boss;...

1)Before oil in the 70's, Nigeria was on 50% resource control but with oil boom; 50% resource control was removed... where's justice?

2)If Nigeria system has been configured to have leaders and the led perpetually. Where's justice?

3)If peace is defined my acceptance of slavery and denial of freedom. where's justice?

4)If Nigeria is to have peace; only when I am down with my land defeacated upon. where's justice?

5)What stops us allowing for restructuring that allows for healthy competition among component parts...

We all must be judged my our acts of omission and commission... thanks

barcanista:
Bro pls get your fact right..
1.Chechnya has been enjoying autonomy and at a point quasi-independence. The 2002 referendum organised by pro Russian Chechnya Government voted for the chechnya state to remain within the Russian Federation but with some autonomy. Though separatist are fighting hard. By the way, the Russian never oppressed the Chechnya people. In fact, they contributed in rebuilding the country after the war.

2. Quebec: it is also an autonomous region in canada with some separatists calling for independence. The 1995 referendum showed that the people of Quebec prefers to remain in Canada than be independent with 51% in favor of pro-canada. The 1995 was the second time they had referendum.

3. Western Australia is a federating unit in australia and enjoy the privilege of self government. Though they seek to break from the Common Wealth of Australia, they still prefer to remain under the commonwealth of Britain as stated in their 1993 referendum.

4. The Basque/Catalan issue is very special. They already enjoy autonomy and self government. Their situation is not like ours and the Spanish Governemnt is willing to give them more autonomy to prevent secession.

The case of SS/SE is entirely different.
When Kosovo had their referendum in 2008 people laughed at them today they are independent state.

What about South Sudan and Eritrea? The Nigeria Government cannot continue to say "No Autonomy" and still say "No secession". It won't work and we don't need to fire a gun.

Whynotthetruth:
Gerra out...I bu akpa amu...I did send you a request...Who's Eb*k4?...I met a guy from Or+uk.u that goes by name Obiodu.....I want someone to do something for me sef on fb... Are you there...not anything illegal trust me...

barcanista:
Forwetinnah ideykwum Ganjafarmer Dearpreye Truckpusher anonimi whynotthetruth Eurobomber

patrickmuf:
If you really want a thorough assessment of the points you've raised, quit sounding out to your praise singers, you should be looking out for folks who you engage you in a proper debate...

barcanista:
Like Ironsi, Jonathan is a gentleman. He has done his bit as a nationalist but the fundamental structural problem worked against him.

For 5years Jonathan has been in power, he and other Niger Delta political leaders had erroneously assumed that better things can be got by maintaining the status quo.

barcanista:
POST 1999
What is Good For The SW Is Not Good For The SS?
Six months after President Obasanjo took over power, he moved the Headquarters of Nigeria Ports Authority(NPA) and a maritime agency (now NIMASA) to Lagos without waiting for approval of the National Assembly. The excuse is that Lagos is the home of the Ports.

However, the NNPC has its Headquarters in Abuja. Obasanjo never considered it wise to relocate the Agency to the Oil Producing Niger Delta. The Headquarters of the major oil companies are in Lagos and not in Portharcourt, Warri or Uyo. Yet, no one is talking about it. While the FCT Ministry is located in Abuja, the Ministry of Niger Delta Affairs is not anywhere in the Niger Delta but still in Abuja.

When the NDDC was birthed in 2000, Obasanjo allocated a meagre N700m to the "intervention agency". Yet, he allocated N1.5billion each for the reconstruction or repairs of Ogunpa River/stream in Ibadan town of Oyo state and the Lagos beach in Lagos.

2005 and 2014 Political Conferences
In 2005 Constitutional Conference, the Niger Delta delegation had to stage a walk-out because their demand for 50% revenue allocation and Resource control was flatly rejected by non SS/SE delegation. In the 2014 Confab, the demand for 50% Oil derivation was resisted by the non SS/SE delegates. The Confab ended without reaching an agreement on that.

What Next For The Niger Delta?
The time has come for the people of the Niger Delta region to decide their fate and end the cycle of complaints/agitation. Political restructuring and demand for Resource Control and nothing less than 50% derivation should be pursued and must be accepted by the Nigeria State if the Unity of Nigeria is to be maintained. In absence of this, a referendum to determine whether or not we want to remain within the entity called Nigeria must be held.

The Biafran/Lower Niger Republic
It is true that some of our fathers resisted the Ojukwu led 1967 Biafran state due to unknown fear. However, time have proved that the fears of our fathers aren't justified. Hence, we can't hold on to the position. The Igbo nation has over the years shown brotherhood and are ever ready for a united mutually benefitting front. I believe a United Biafran State or Lower Niger Republic with clear understanding of structure and autonomy of every ethnic groups that makes up the state is a welcome development and the way forward for our people rather than continuous whining under this present arrangement. The right of the few that believe in the present arrangement shall be respected but every attempt for these group to suppress the voice of the majority that are poor and oppressed shall be resisted.

The Goodluck Jonathan Question(?)
For 5years Jonathan has been in power, he and other Niger Delta political leaders had erroneously assumed that better things can be got by maintaining the status quo. They maintained the status quo because it benefited them and in order to appear "nationalistic", but the events leading to March 28 proved to them all that "that was a wrong approach". The time has come for a change.



God Bless Niger Delta

Macelliot:
People misunderstood the Biafra agenda..
facts was that: Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda only, though it was headed by an Igbo Man....
The term biafra was derived from the Bight of Bonny(calabar)....

The War against the Easterners was not only against Igbos, but the Efiks, Ibibios, Ogonis, Egbemas, Ijaws, Anangs, Ikwerres, and Igalas....
All these ethnic group constitutes the Eastern Region....
Even the Vice-president of Biafra from 1967-1969 was an Ibibio Man (Major Gen. Phillip Effiong) He later became the president (when Ojukwu went to exile), from 1969 till Biafra surrendered in 1970 ....
Biafra wasn't an Igbo agenda but the Eastern Region agenda...
The term (south-south or Niger-delta) doesn't exist then.
The creation of South-south was to weaken the Biafra dream....

barcanista:
Sure bro...
For 5years Goodluck Jonathan worked with the Present political template aka 1999 constitution that legitimase the injustice against our people. SNC wasn't convoked, oil companies still have their Hq outside the region. Ministry of Niger Delta Affairs is still in Abuja. Oil derivation formular remains the same. NNPC Hq os still in abuja. The status quo still remains.

The March 28 election was along ethnic and tribal line. The SS/SE on one side, the North and some SW on the other side. We can't deny this bro!

fineguy11:
i refuse to be drawn into exchanging insult with a r.etard,,,whom if not for the pervertive actions of his n.ympho m..,and his sex junkie dad,,thier son wld have@least manage to av the IQ tantamount to a billy goat.....too much penial thrusting during pregnancy spoilt everthing......considering the circumstance,,i think u turned out well,,,TEMI TEMI AND BARCANISTER weren't as lucky as u were...

ideykwum:
Bro, this your topic hit the nail on the head! My only regret that the demands of work made it difficult for me to get to Nairaland on time!!! But I'm not sure anyone could have put it better!!!

The challenge is that fly-by-night political analysts, tribalists, status quo enthusiasts, cowards, brigands, the ignorant and spoilers may want to ignore the argument and attack personalities!!

It's time to spread the word to all corners of the Lower Niger Region, to the heart of the Niger-Delta, to the South-East and to all lovers of democracy (I'm not talking of progressives with retrogresve tendencies like we have on Nairaland!!)!!!