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johnydon22:
I love this keep it up bro...Igbo mythology is so colourful and beautiful.. it was their own little way of doing science.. they could read the stars (astrology), predict the seasons, divided the year into 365days correctly... I love being an igbo man.

Hey Nwanne!
I thought you believe in nothing?

sonOfLucifer:
The fundamentals of Odinani

Odinani is anchored on the sanctity of Ani, the Earth Deity,

INTRODUCTION
The Igbo traditional religion is a philosophy that has stood the test of time. To understand the basis for Igbo philosophy, we must understand first the Igbo concept of the Cosmos, a logical concept that makes few pretensions about the great unknown. This concept has survived the introduction of Middle Eastern religious beliefs and modern science. The Igbo belief is therefore both metaphysical and scientific as well as sacred and socioenvironmental.

A very tolerant but conservative philosophy, its capacity for ecumenism is enormous. While not yielding an inch to mythical and unproven concepts of life on earth, the Igbo philosophy maintains an elastic but credible concept of the Cosmos and its constituents that is rooted in science rather than the traditional myths of some imported beliefs.

To the ancient Igbo, the Cosmos is an endless space of visible and invisible beings. This Cosmo is divided into four complex constituents, [Onwuejeogwu, 1975: The Igbo Culture Area in “Igbo Language and Culture,” F. Chidozie Ogbalu & E Nolue Emenanjo -ed.]:
Okike (Creation)
Alusi (Supernatural Forces or Deities)
Mmuo (Spirit)
Uwa (World)

OKIKE
The Supreme Being (Chi ukwu or Chukwu) is the God of Creation (Chi Okike), the Force that fires all forces. God in Igbo language is also called Chineke (“God in the morning of creation, ” or “the God who creates” or “God and the Creator” (duality of deity), depending on perspectives). Chineke is far removed from the perception of mere mortals. This Supreme Power (Ikekaike) is neither a living-dead (ancestor) nor a spirit. It has no known physical form, yet indirectly impacts the affairs of the human world. Chineke manifests to our world as:

Anyanwu (the Sun)—Chineke is the mastermind behind the source of light, love and knowledge and, implicitly, earthly existence or life itself;

Chi (the godly guardian), the personal providence is a divine agents assigned to each human from cradle to the coffin;

Kpakpando (the stars) which manifest as the celestial beauty;

Enuigwe (the heavens), the home of all supernatural forces including the stars.
Chineke created everything visible and invisible. The concept of Chineke is incomprehensible; to know God is the end of knowledge, which is probably why the Igbo do not debate those who say their ancestors dropped from the sky – who knows! The evil forces that intrude into our lives and the physical forces of the universe are all put in place by the Supreme Force, the Godhead or Creator, for definite reasons and to coexist in harmony and multiply and or evolve.

ALUSI
Alusi is a supernatural force. Although the forces are neither human beings (mmadu) nor spirits (mmuo), they sometimes assume the attributes of human beings. Prof. Onwuejeogwu called them “being forces.” Every Igbo town has a shrine dedicated to its communal alusi; every other community respects the deity. A priestly clan usually ministers to the revered communal deity on behalf of the community.

MMUO
Mmuo is the spirit of ancestors who lived, died, and moved on to the great unknown, the other side of the realm. Hence, mmadu (human beings) must die to become mmuo (spirit being). If a man was good while alive, upon his departure he could become an ichie or nna-mmuo —a hallowed ancestor spirit or a saint. Ancestor spirits are more commonly known by the collective term “Ndiichie.” A respected, living elder can therefore be called ichie —a living saint. Ndiichie is also used for a group of accomplished and distinguished elders who uphold the morals of the society, dispense unquestionable justic, and preserve the culture of the community.

A woman who has lived a distinguished life becomes nne-mmuo. Those who have lived horrible lives, and those who committed unpardonable sins (ajo njo) or alu (abomination) against Ani – the Earth Deity, become ajo mmuo (evil spirits) or Ekwensu (Devil or Satan). The male ajo mmuo could be akaliogoli (a roguish spirit); the female counterpart could become either a mermaid (owummiri) or a bloodsucking amaosu (vampire) or some other gender-specific evil spirit. Some mmuo are so restless they come back to be born-again (ogbanje), not to make amends but to torment a mother, her family, and the community. [This must not be confused with the desired and celebrated “inouwa” or reincarnation.]

UWA
Uwa is our world, or the so-called “Mother Nature.” [Compare with Hausa: uwa = mother]. This is the world we live in, the visible universe that directly impacts our life. Uwa is made up of two distinct parts: Igwe and Ala.

Igwe is the firmament, and it constitutes of the following:
Ulukpu (the clouds);
Onwa (the moon);
Alaigwe (the planets);
Ikuku (the winds.

Let be sincere! Yourself contradicts your-post/article..

Hmmm...

Like loki

sonOfLucifer:
You are always welcome. The website is a huge repository of Odinani/Omenala resources. I'm a bit concerned the article in the OP equates Satan to Ekwensu. Might have been a mistake or that part of the text was for readers coming from a Christian/Muslim background.
Ekwensu is a god of mischief and war. He wasn't a direct adversary to Chukwu, unlike Satan who is an adversary to Yahweh.

johnydon22:
Ekwensu is also a god of trickery and trade. . magic and sometimes cures barrenness. Its just some kind of trickster god who derives pleasure from mischief and trickery.

In the igbo pentheon Ekwensu is not an advisary of Chukwu in any way but just a lesser god just like others; Amadioha, Fijioku and the etc.

ekwensu is akin to the Yoruba god, esu, who is currently misrepresented as the modern day satan of the Bible.

Macelliot:
Let be sincere! Yourself contradicts your-post/article..

Obviously, you don't know me.

sonOfLucifer:
Permit my curiosity. How do you not believe in a creator, yet accept we all are the earth.
In this context, the creator is a higher power that unites and holda all that we see and do not see. Where this creator is personal or impersonal will serve no purpose in this discussion.

Acts 17.28and in him we live and move and have our being.' As some of your own poets have said, 'We are his offspring.'

Hehe! Quoting Biblical verse.

johnydon22:
Lol...Christianity is a very confused religion... First the saints are not deities just like ancestral spirits are not deities in Odinani.

Some christian sect dont agree in the deity of Jesus, they say he is just a messanger (angel)

Some sects (unitarians) say that jesus is same as yahweh that they are one entity not different entities.

then some sects (trinitarians) say jesus is a different entity buh yet is God along with yahweh and d holy spirit (all different entities)... and in other to hide this blatant polytheistic doctrine, they term the three entities ONE in the Godhead but yet three different entities.

The fundamental problem with Christianity is that there is nothing original about it. It is entirely contrived on cascades of lies.
It a polytheistic religion that parades itself as a monotheistic religion.

Macelliot:
Hehe! Quoting Biblical verse.

I could quote a similar Igbo verse if you'd prefer that.

@op...Nice write up

Macelliot:
Hehe! Quoting Biblical verse.

I could quote a similar Igbo proverb if you'd prefer that.

Macelliot:
Hey Nwanne!
I thought you believe in nothing?

You are wrong.
People allergic to bullshyte are often mischaracterized as believing in northing or as materialists.

sonOfLucifer:
I could quote a similar Igbo verse if you'd prefer that.

sonOfLucifer:
I could quote a similar Igbo verse if you'd prefer that.

There were some johnydon just quoted: no need to stress yourself, let me copy and past

johnydon22:
Amadioha is coming back..

Okoro 1:23 and the time of amadioha is at hand

Okeke 12:25 and make ur path clear for amadioha the god of thunder.

Edem 16:2 and amadioha will come in glory

ugwu 21:8 and the time shall come when with a flash and rumble and chaos amadioha will come to save the world..

Nwaekwensu a.k.a SonOfLucifer- I've gone through your write up.
Nice research though but I've made up my mind long ago

Agaghi m efe chi ejiri aka mee... meaning I will never worship man made god.
***Singing***

sonOfLucifer:
The fundamentals of Odinani

Odinani is anchored on the sanctity of Ani, the Earth Deity,

INTRODUCTION
The Igbo traditional religion is a philosophy that has stood the test of time. To understand the basis for Igbo philosophy, we must understand first the Igbo concept of the Cosmos, a logical concept that makes few pretensions about the great unknown. This concept has survived the introduction of Middle Eastern religious beliefs and modern science. The Igbo belief is therefore both metaphysical and scientific as well as sacred and socioenvironmental.

A very tolerant but conservative philosophy, its capacity for ecumenism is enormous. While not yielding an inch to mythical and unproven concepts of life on earth, the Igbo philosophy maintains an elastic but credible concept of the Cosmos and its constituents that is rooted in science rather than the traditional myths of some imported beliefs.

To the ancient Igbo, the Cosmos is an endless space of visible and invisible beings. This Cosmo is divided into four complex constituents, [Onwuejeogwu, 1975: The Igbo Culture Area in “Igbo Language and Culture,” F. Chidozie Ogbalu & E Nolue Emenanjo -ed.]:
Okike (Creation)
Alusi (Supernatural Forces or Deities)
Mmuo (Spirit)
Uwa (World)

OKIKE
The Supreme Being (Chi ukwu or Chukwu) is the God of Creation (Chi Okike), the Force that fires all forces. God in Igbo language is also called Chineke (“God in the morning of creation, ” or “the God who creates” or “God and the Creator” (duality of deity), depending on perspectives). Chineke is far removed from the perception of mere mortals. This Supreme Power (Ikekaike) is neither a living-dead (ancestor) nor a spirit. It has no known physical form, yet indirectly impacts the affairs of the human world. Chineke manifests to our world as:

Anyanwu (the Sun)—Chineke is the mastermind behind the source of light, love and knowledge and, implicitly, earthly existence or life itself;

Chi (the godly guardian), the personal providence is a divine agents assigned to each human from cradle to the coffin;

Kpakpando (the stars) which manifest as the celestial beauty;

Enuigwe (the heavens), the home of all supernatural forces including the stars.
Chineke created everything visible and invisible. The concept of Chineke is incomprehensible; to know God is the end of knowledge, which is probably why the Igbo do not debate those who say their ancestors dropped from the sky – who knows! The evil forces that intrude into our lives and the physical forces of the universe are all put in place by the Supreme Force, the Godhead or Creator, for definite reasons and to coexist in harmony and multiply and or evolve.

ALUSI
Alusi is a supernatural force. Although the forces are neither human beings (mmadu) nor spirits (mmuo), they sometimes assume the attributes of human beings. Prof. Onwuejeogwu called them “being forces.” Every Igbo town has a shrine dedicated to its communal alusi; every other community respects the deity. A priestly clan usually ministers to the revered communal deity on behalf of the community.

MMUO
Mmuo is the spirit of ancestors who lived, died, and moved on to the great unknown, the other side of the realm. Hence, mmadu (human beings) must die to become mmuo (spirit being). If a man was good while alive, upon his departure he could become an ichie or nna-mmuo —a hallowed ancestor spirit or a saint. Ancestor spirits are more commonly known by the collective term “Ndiichie.” A respected, living elder can therefore be called ichie —a living saint. Ndiichie is also used for a group of accomplished and distinguished elders who uphold the morals of the society, dispense unquestionable justic, and preserve the culture of the community.

A woman who has lived a distinguished life becomes nne-mmuo. Those who have lived horrible lives, and those who committed unpardonable sins (ajo njo) or alu (abomination) against Ani – the Earth Deity, become ajo mmuo (evil spirits) or Ekwensu (Devil or Satan). The male ajo mmuo could be akaliogoli (a roguish spirit); the female counterpart could become either a mermaid (owummiri) or a bloodsucking amaosu (vampire) or some other gender-specific evil spirit. Some mmuo are so restless they come back to be born-again (ogbanje), not to make amends but to torment a mother, her family, and the community. [This must not be confused with the desired and celebrated “inouwa” or reincarnation.]

UWA
Uwa is our world, or the so-called “Mother Nature.” [Compare with Hausa: uwa = mother]. This is the world we live in, the visible universe that directly impacts our life. Uwa is made up of two distinct parts: Igwe and Ala.

Igwe is the firmament, and it constitutes of the following:
Ulukpu (the clouds);
Onwa (the moon);
Alaigwe (the planets);
Ikuku (the winds) —the totality of winds and airs that hold the earth in place and help to make it everything it is.

While the ancient Igbo philosophers might not have measured the firmament by any known scientific method, they knew that it is immensely bigger than the earth, that the earth is but a revolving part – not the center – of the universe. Hence, the popular phrase Igwe ka Ala, which is also one of Chineke’s many names, Igwekaala.
Ala: Ala is the physical manifestation of Earth Deity, Ani. It harbors four components:
Mmadu (human being) — Man and woman exist to perform specific functions in the complex equation of conservation and preservation of the species. Humans are the beauty of life; hence it has been suggested that the word is from “mma ndu” = the beauty of life.
Anumanu (animal) — Like human beings, animals have their specific functions in the equation of life;
Ofia (forests) Vegetation sustains both mmadu and anumanu.
Mmiri (water) —The “life” of fish and all other beings in all water bodies is dependent on the quality of water. When the Igbo pray, they pray for the “life” of water because it is also the life of fish, which invariably provides rich sources of protein for humanity. Therefore, pollution of streams in Igboland is a taboo. All community streams are sacred and water fountains are deities, iyi. Menstruating women should not step into communal streams to fetch water. In some communities, women of childbearing age are banned all together from fountains.

GOLDEN RULE
The Igbo are very particular about constructive coexistence on earth. In the saying, “egbe bere ugo bere” (Let the eagle perch, let the hawk perch), the Igbo express the golden rule of the religion: Live and let live. Some go further and add: nke si ibe ya ebene, nku kwaa ya (whichever says the other shall not perch, may its wing break). This supposedly “old testament” version seeks to ensure that whichever of the Earth’s components wants the other not to survive shall not share of the food chain and shall eventually become extinct – so that others may thrive well in the ecosystem. Hence, the protection of lesser lives is imperative to good existence on Earth. Indiscriminate slaughter of animals or killing of human beings is an abomination of the highest order. To kill a female being is even more atrocious because she assures the continuation and preservation of the species.

A “new-testament” version of the saying stipulates: “nke si ibe ya ebene gosi ya ebe o ga-ebe, (whichever says the other shall not perch, may it show the other where to perch); but, truly speaking, there should be no reason in the first place to deny another an anchor on this planet. This pacifist approach to the Golden Rule is similar to turning the other cheek. Whichever holds in anyone’s philosophy is acceptable. However, it is highly suspected that the original saying is simply: "Egbe bere, ugo bere.” Period. There should be no room for compromise on the desire of one over the other.

ANI
Ani, the Earth Deity or so-called “Mother Earth” is also called Ala (land), which is actually the physical manifestation of Ani. This gives an erroneous impression of Mother Earth as “earth” – a rugged land mass of fiercely boiling, molten core washed by bodies of oceans. It may be, but it is also alusi, the deity which made the evolution of the modern person possible. Its core spiritual component is Ikejiani (“the force that holds the Earth” or the force of gravity).

In Odinani, the reverence of Chineke or Chukwu as the Almighty God is so deep that mere mortals, while attributing all cosmic powers to this Head, do not normally bring petty petitions directly to the seat of Supreme Power. It is not only humanly impossible, the chances of success are slim because God cannot be manipulated in any way, shape, or form. Besides, there are so many forces to overcome from here to eternity that Ndiigbo deal with the forces they can either manipulate or with whom they can enter into peaceful pacts. But, most importantly, every life on earth is pre-destined.

The Igbo religion is therefore anchored on the visible, which is invariably controlled by the invisible Ani. We thrive and derive life itself from the bounties of Ani. What more could be as merciful as “Mother Earth.” It provides human beings with an anchor, a base on which Ikejiani keeps people without restricting their ability to move freely on land (ala); avails earthlings with nutritional needs; protects all creatures from extended exposure to the Sun by providing day and night and the seasons; drains the unrelenting onslaught of rain from the clouds; shelves the wastes and, with time, avails earthlings with useful materials to make the passage through life an easier ordeal.

Together with other interlinked forces of our world (uwa), supernatural forces (alusi) and anyanwu (the eye of light, life, and love), Ani controls the “day deities” (Eke, Orie, Afo, Nkwo) and the “year-force” (afò). The sun therefore does not “rise” nor “set” in Igbo philosophy: the Earth determines the length of days and nights and, with the moon (onwa), sets the months. Hence, there are seven weeks or 28 days in an Igbo month and thirteen moons a year.

The Earth Deity’s control does not stop here: its forces control agriculture and even the activities of good and evil spirits, which occasionally attempt to misdirect the destiny of human beings. For example,
Ifejioku or Ahiajoku (“the yam force” is very important for yams to do well.
Idemmiri (“the water force” is a being force that must be appeased to ensure healthy water supply.
Okeofia or Agwu-Ofia (“the forest-force” also plays important roles.

The Igbo enter into pacts with these forces to take into their benevolence. The process is called “igommuo”(to placate/negotiate – not worship– spirits). Even Agwu (“the divination force” or the trickster alusi, which causes confusion in the life of human beings) can be manipulated in afa (divination) to yield good effects.

Evil forces affect our lives adversely. The extent of their intrusion into our laid-out life-plan or destiny (akalaaka) can be curtailed by the intervention of one’s Chi and also by the intercession of ndiichie (ancestor spirits). The Igbo therefore maintain a special relationship with their ancestors by offering sacrifices to please their souls and working hard for the good of the lineage. Dealing with this spirits and deities is known by the same term “igommuo” or “ilommuo” (“to placate or ask of the dear departed/living-dead/ancestor spirit”.

Ndiichie are not worshipped; they do not demand to be worshipped — they are not Chukwu, the Almighty God) to whom we owe praises and thanks. In fact, the term “worship” does not readily occur in Igbo theosophy. “Ifé alusi” (“to worship deities” is a colonial concept introduced by Euro-Christianity. The Igbo considered it more appropriate to negotiate and navigate natural forces around them; the will of God cannot be manipulated or changed. They just need to get there without too much hassles.

CONCLUSION
Odinani is anchored on the sanctity of Ani, the Earth Deity, a creation of the Supreme Creator. O di n’Ani literally means “It is anchored on the Earth Deity.” Hence, Igbo philosophy is sacred, spiritual, and socioenvironmental. The Igbo attitude toward Chineke is unlike that of Euro-Christianity: Chineke has no form that humans can conceive nor perceive. Those who follow the teachings of Christian churches and Muslim mosques soon find out that the fundamentals of Odinani are unwavering in every Igbo community. Odinani is about doing the right things; it is about following the dictates of our personal providence, Chi. Failure to do so, Agwu or other more potent evil forces take over our lives; we would keep running in circles and meeting bad spirits (ajo mmuo) or even Satan itself (Ekwensu). But once we are at peace with Chi, we shall be on our way to our destiny. Which is why the Igbo say: “I buru Chi gi uzo, i gbagbue onwe gi n'oso.” [If you walk before your Chi, you will do the race of your life.]

Wao! This is succinct and in-depth.

Lilimax:
Nwaekwensu a.k.a SonOfLucifer- I've gone through your write up.
Nice research though but I've made up my mind long ago

Agaghi m efe chi ejiri aka mee... meaning I will never worship man made god.
***Singing***

I will never worship man-nailed God.

sonOfLucifer:
I will never worship man-nailed God.

Hmmm...

I just went through your profile and saw the inscription- In Satan you trust
You strong oo!

sonOfLucifer:
Obviously, you don't know me.

I know you on this forum.. Sonofsatan...
Your article claims that Ekwensu is not Satan...
Your article is pro-Ekwensu, Chukwu/Chineke, and Omenala but your moniker and former-posts seems pro-satanism, and Evil...
WHERE DO U BELONG?
Ekwensu is a trickstar god and not an adversary to God, and Satan/devil is an adversary to God...
BUT, you are pro-Ekwensu and Satan...
Do you see how confused you are?

Macelliot:
I know you on this forum.. Sonofsatan...
Your article claims that Ekwensu is not Satan...
Your article is pro-Ekwensu, Chukwu/Chineke, and Omenala but your moniker and former-posts seems pro-satanism, and Evil...
WHERE DO U BELONG?
Ekwensu is a trickstar god and not an adversary to God, and Satan/devil is an adversary to God...
BUT, you are pro-Ekwensu and Satan...
Do you see how confused you are?

Busted

Ala, the head of the agbara or alusi (manifestations of the holy spirit)

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ojimbo:
reading, i will comment later!!!!!
no need of editing my already made post. like Thesonoflucifer has already created a nice article. some new age religious bigots will see everything that comes out from our culture and tradition as worshiping their imaginary satan/lucifer, like it was mentioned above 'odinani', in igbo land today, if you ever mention odinani, you are own your own and hell fire awaits you. the concept of God has been in the mind of every human being. trying to define what you know nothing about. some will come up saying that the only proof of God is that they feel it in them, yes off course, its is my mind so i have every right to make some imaginations with it just like where a young boy is having a vision of his future, seeing the kinds of building he was setting up and the kind of places he is traveling to without knowing that he/she may die tomorrow.
if you want to argue with some people about african culture and tradition, they will keep mentioning the atrocities been committed by our fore fathers like offering human head to an imaginary being, killing of twins, sacrifices and so on, i still see all those things as the cause of been uncivilized, yet some Christians will not see the genocide, fornication, wars, slavery, maltreatment and so on in the bible yet they will refer to it as ''God knows why''
our fore fathers were just a little inhuman compared to the atrocities happening right now. Isis and boko haram have killed thousands of people in few years, countries are using explosive on another countries to kill their citizens. yet all these are done by the God fearing people. a lot of people are into fake products which are harmful to health, yet every Sunday they will run to church to give tithe and praise while those criminals on the alter will bless them and pray for their success. look at our politicians who have lost their sense of humanity. every church will be happy to receive them. do you know how much that has gone to church pockets from those politicians, these money are meant for we citizens yet some fraudsters will be happy to park all of them as church offerings and donations.
i weep for my country when it comes to religious matters,
until we all die, no body should ever come up to me with the concept of his God without any proof or evidence.

I share from your school of thought bro.. Take consolation in this wise saying from a world war Veteran..

A United States Sergent Don "WarDaddy" Collier..

In the heat of the 2nd world war in 1945, Sergent Collier Postulated..

"Ideals are always peaceful But History is Violent"....

In all ramnification, I totally agree.

Ideally you see everything as being normal but look back through history of man, its been really violent.

Look my dear! Right from the days of John the baptist, the kingdom of heaven suffereth violence and only the violent taketh it by force..


Divinity, yeah the earth is made up of forces, I can get up and determine how much of force I want accrued to me.

Man is the master of his Destiny.

Macelliot:
I know you on this forum.. Sonofsatan...
Your article claims that Ekwensu is not Satan...
Your article is pro-Ekwensu, Chukwu/Chineke, and Omenala but your moniker and former-posts seems pro-satanism, and Evil...
WHERE DO U BELONG?
Ekwensu is a trickstar god and not an adversary to God, and Satan/devil is an adversary to God...
BUT, you are pro-Ekwensu and Satan...
Do you see how confused you are?

I made the correction in my earlier post, but obviously you didnt read it. The article claims Ekwensu is Satan. Lucifer is a title that means morning stat, light. Light is knowledge. Knowledge illuminates but at the cost of rebellion, for the one who knows and knows he knows can not be tamed by authority. All great scientists, leaders, rulers were rebel to some authority at a point. So, yes, I find the Satan in the Bible an intriguing character, a true rebel.
The problem with people like you is you beleive everyone has to fit into those tiny boxes you have created in your brain. You beleive for one to be atheist he has to be anti-Chrisitan, a Satanist must be anti-Christian, etc.

Macelliot:
Hey Nwanne!
I thought you believe in nothing?

Maybe you actually want to appear daft, you missed the part were i said [size=20]Igbo mythology[/size]. . Or do you want to liken me to you who is fighting tooth and nail to establish jewish mythology as truth?

They are all mythologies, igbo, yoruba, egyptian, greece or jewish mythology... I love reading them but unlike you i do not claim any is truth or believe it... so next time, look before you talk..

plaetton:
Thanks a million .

It is indeed a great tragedy of history that we abandoned such a rich philosophical heritage for the hate and filth religions of the middle east.

The mind is a blank cheque.. If you fill it with igbo philosophies, believe and abide in it, it works for you.

I think more emphasis should be place on human belief system rather Different Believes..

The science of Human belief is vast..

There are so many philosophies but the Mind of Man is infinity..

It is whatever it can conceive. If the heart and mind can conceive it, then the rest is history..

Anything that can be conceptualised within a scope and the heart conceives it and the mind believes it is already explosive.

There is no limit to how far you can stretch imagination. Man should have a free spirit.. A spirit that roams.. Roaming with no confinement.. Awesome..

Man was really made in the image and likeness of God..

rigarmortis:
ekwensu is akin to the Yoruba god, esu, who is currently misrepresented as the modern day satan of the Bible.

Exactly my brother...

johnydon22:
Maybe you actually want to appear daft, you missed the part were i said [size=20]Igbo mythology[/size]. . Or do you want to liken me to you who is fighting tooth and nail to establish jewish mythology as truth?

They are all mythologies, igbo, yoruba, egyptian, greece or jewish mythology... I love reading them but unlike you i do not claim any is truth or believe it... so next time, look before you talk..

You don't have to insult.... I saw that you found the thread interesting, that's why I asked.....

Macelliot:
You don't have to insult.... I saw that you found the thread interesting, that's why I asked.....

I am an igbo, if i am to even think of believing any mythology it should be my own igbo mythology...Tho i do not believe any, they are all mythology no need denying that fact.


As an igbo it is normal that i find my own igbo mythology more intriguing and interesting than any other in the world... Its a beautiful part of our heritage and we should endeavour to pass it on.

I love reading egyptian, greek, mesopothamian, babylonian, and most of all my own igbo and african mythology...they are very interesting and entertaining and gives u insight of the ancient view of the world... But claiming these mythologies as truth or believing them is where i am not involved.

Myth should be taught as myth, fable as fable and miracle as poetic fancies. to teach superstition as truth, the child's mind accepts it and only thru great pain or perharps tragedy will he be free of it..(Hypatia of alexandria)

johnydon22:
Oh yes the earth and nature is conscious and you are a part of the earth, you are conscious therefore the earth is conscious...

it's not about me. Nature doesn't need me to survive. . I need it to survive
Nature bore us all so it is greater than humanity. .its not conscious because of you or I

macof:
it's not about me. Nature doesn't need me to survive. . I need it to survive
Nature bore us all so it is greater than humanity. .its not conscious because of you or I

All men will die and nature will remain. Can nature give that which it doesnt have? Two things we know for sure, we know this to be certain
, - Man didnt create himself.
- Man didnt create nature or the universe.

Can the unconscious create the conscious?

macof:
it's not about me. Nature doesn't need me to survive. . I need it to survive
Nature bore us all so it is greater than humanity. .its not conscious because of you or I

You are part of nature, just like a tree or an animal... we are all nature... That a tree withers doesnt kill u or any other part of nature. That you die still doesnt destroy every other part of nature..

We are all nature, you, i, cow, tree, yam everything is part of nature...Humanity is a part of nature... You are the one who actually think humanity is different from nature when humanity is nature itself..

The greatest illusion of the world is the illusion of separation... Du think yourself different from the goat, cow or sheep you see out there? or the Caucasian or asiatic you see?

We are all different parts of the same whole... Just like ur hand, eyes, nose, legs are all different part of the same whole which is you..