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Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 10:05am On May 29, 2015 |
true2god: I've never supported killing those that insult the Prophet and Allah, and I will never support it. Here is what the Quran describe as the best response to people like that: And when they hear ill speech, they turn away from it and say, "For us are our deeds, and for you are your deeds. Peace will be upon you; we seek not the ignorant." 2 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 10:08am On May 29, 2015 |
Taryehmiseh: K |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Proffdada: 10:09am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:The Qur'an: Qur'an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can "compel" a Muslim to tell a lie. Qur'an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to "guard themselves." Qur'an (9:3) - "...Allah and His Messenger are free from liability to the idolaters..." The dissolution of oaths with the pagans who remained at Mecca following its capture. They did nothing wrong, but were evicted anyway. Qur'an (40:28) - A man is introduced as a believer, but one who must "hide his faith" among those who are not believers. Qur'an (2:225) - "Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts" The context of this remark is marriage, which explains why Sharia allows spouses to lie to each other for the greater good. Qur'an (3:54) - "And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers." The Arabic word used here for scheme (or plot) is makara, which literally means 'deceit'. If Allah is supremely deceitful toward unbelievers, then there is little basis for denying that Muslims are allowed to do the same. (See also 8:30 and 10:21) They keep lying 1 Like |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 10:15am On May 29, 2015 |
Proffdada: You post up here doesn't have anything to do with what you quoted, re-read and reply it appropriately … |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Proffdada: 10:17am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:k |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 10:18am On May 29, 2015 |
There is obviously a huge difference in the character "Jesus" in the Bible, and "Muhammed" in the Quran. The former was said to die for love, or killed by those he loved and prayed for in death. The later... Hence, killing is wrong on one side, and killing can be necessary depending on perspective one the other side. Even Muslim leaders can't totally fault them terrorist. It is Islam by induction from particular perspective. 3 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 10:22am On May 29, 2015 |
you actually copied all these without even verifying them, this your ignorance is something else Proffdada: 1 Like |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Proffdada: 10:29am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:k |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by true2god: 10:43am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:WHERE is the FAMOUS “historical context”, that Muhammad “defend himself for being PERSECUTED?” in Chaper 47, or in the whole Quran? I cannot find it! |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by true2god: 10:57am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:You are either lying or ignorant of the quran and islamic doctrines. Read quran 5:32 and 33. Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors. Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment, Going through the above and tell me if drawing mohammed, according to islam, is not part of 'spreading mischief in the land'. What is the consequence of 'spreading mischief' in the land, according to the quran and islam? 2 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Empiree: 11:11am On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:People you are talking to here are CHRISTIANS. They are essentially atheists. They only use Jesus as camouflage. They have no faith. Jesus is nothing to them but a pop star. Believe that. They are a waste of time. There is a huge difference between christians and Jesus(PBUH) 3 Likes 1 Share |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 11:23am On May 29, 2015 |
true2god: Fight in the cause of Allah THOSE WHO FIGHT YOU, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith..... And fight them on until there is no more Tumult or oppression, and there prevail justice and faith in Allah; but if they cease, Let there be no hostility except to those who practise oppression. 2 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 11:26am On May 29, 2015 |
Empiree: Indeed, true2god is a typical example… 3 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 1:07pm On May 29, 2015 |
true2god: If it was draw Islamic allah's day NO muslim will be bothered. Such hypocrites, they practically worship mohammed. 3 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by malvisguy212: 1:25pm On May 29, 2015 |
mistypiper:the quran say fight in his caused,slain and be slained, infacte read this verse; Surah 4:74: Therefore, let those fight in the way of Allah, who sell this world’s life for the hereafter; and whoever fights in the way of Allah, then be he slain or be he victorious, We shall grant him a mighty reward. The message here is clear, fight in Allah caused and sell this world life for the hereafter. For me to believe Islam stand for peace, you will have to explained this verse, because this verse is a COMMAND from Allah himself. |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by true2god: 1:28pm On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:Read quran chapter 47 completely and you will see the evil allahh asked mohammed to do. You can read it and summarize it for us to learn. |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by true2god: 1:36pm On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001:quran 9:29: Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled. Is the above not an oppressive instruction mohammed gave muslims against the non-muslims? Why was mohammed talking about oppression while he was the real oppressor? I hope you wont tell me that this quranic verse is not authentic or fabricated, your typical response strategy on some hadiths. |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 1:56pm On May 29, 2015 |
malvisguy212: Do not ‘essentialise’ religion. Gandhi’s Gita and Azad’s Quran do not say the same thing as the Gita of Nathuram Godse and the Quran of Osama bin Laden. http://indianexpress.com/article/opinion/columns/islam-for-peace-or-violence/ |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 2:47pm On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Yes your prophet went around attacking those who did not attack him for the sole purpose of imposing his filthy religion on them and this is well documented in your quoran and hadiths. 1 Like |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by AAinEqGuinea: 2:54pm On May 29, 2015 |
Islam may be a religion of bulls.hit but so is the philosophy from the people antagonizing them. Freedom of speech comes with consequences. 1 Like |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by vedaxcool(m): 3:10pm On May 29, 2015 |
Sweetnecta: Brother necta alsm where have u been? U have said it all, christians on this thread have so far showed they would as low as supporting criminals if this criminals would mine muslims on their behalf, the same way they joined hard with their natural allies the atheist in undermining muslim, how would any sane mind support a biker gang they clearly is a criminal entity hiding in plain sight all because od hating muslims? Their religion has failed them so much that they no longer differentiate between criminality and religion. What a pity! Rilwayne001 nice thread, their post has provided valuable insight into the working of people who believe it is possible to view the entire world kingdoms by standing on a high mountain. 3 Likes 3 Shares |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by malvisguy212: 3:26pm On May 29, 2015 |
mistypiper:base on the quranic verse I qoute, how can a muslim live in peace? The verse is a command from Allah, not obeying it, don't you think you are disobeying his command? |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by vedaxcool(m): 3:38pm On May 29, 2015 |
Empiree: Oti pari 2 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 3:51pm On May 29, 2015 |
malvisguy212: I'm not disobeying , it doesn't sound like a command in my quran. All my life I've never participated in any form of Jihad and not planning to do so. As a muslim if you choose to fight it has to be for good cause and not blowing people up. I don't in anyway support violence or terrorism. The attached verse did not say I command you. Common sense and religion equals to Peace. 1 Like 1 Share
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Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 3:53pm On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: Apparently u aren't very knowledgeable about mohammeds deeds. The authentic hadiths show he killed his critics and those that mocked him. Mohammed was a lair who said one thing and then did another thing. He said there is no complusion in religion and went ahead to say he must fight till everyone believes in allah and worships only allah. No where in the old and new testament are God's prophets and disciples commaned to fight people till they believe in God or pay a tax if they don't and want to stay alive. Only the quran spreads such nonsense. 1 Like |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 4:05pm On May 29, 2015 |
mistypiper: What exactly is a good cause. Mohammed fought for the sole reason of conquering territories and forcing people to accept Islam and worship only his g.od. He fought people who resisted. To you this is a good cause. To further prove he wasn't a prophet the quran and hadiths are filled with his several of his dirty sex exploits. From having tonnes of sex slaves to sleeping with his son's wife to sleeping with a 9year old child and even marrying his first cousin. Any one who says mohammed was a pig must apologise to PIGS. |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 4:15pm On May 29, 2015 |
Ifeann: Everybody has a right to be a bigot. Everybody has a right to be a racist. Everybody has a right to be an ....," Shami said. Lastly, I pray the protest would be peaceful and every participant returns home safely. Time for prayer. 4 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 5:02pm On May 29, 2015 |
Typical. U can't answer. Is that a good cause ?? Killing pagans that refuse Islamic allah, forcing Christians to pay jizyah tax to stay alive mistypiper: 2 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Nobody: 5:09pm On May 29, 2015 |
Ifeann: As a muslim who believes in peace and equality, I'll stop here. If i had checked your profile earlier I won't even have responded back to your mention. Somthings will never change - Tupac Amaru Shakur 3 Likes |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Rilwayne001: 5:20pm On May 29, 2015 |
Ifeann: K |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 5:24pm On May 29, 2015 |
Mistyper I won't even argue with you. U are one of the many bad Muslims who won't follow mohammeds commands in it entirety. That's fine, the more bad muslims in the Islamic fold the better. Its your "good muslim" brothers such as isis, Taliban, al nusra, al queda, Bh, etc who follow mohammeds deeds to the letter that is of more concern. Now run along and go get urself educated on Islam. Here are my suggestions 1.The authentic traditions of Muhammad (Sahih Hadith) by Bukhari: 9books. 2.A summary of the authentic traditions of Muhammad by (Sahih) Muslim:2books 3. The quran: 1 unholy book. Make sure to read them in 21st century English and not recite it ignorantly in 7th century Arabic. . Qur'an (9:29)-"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." mistypiper: |
Re: Armed Biker Gang Plans Open-carry “draw Mohammed” Contest Outside Phoenix Mosque by Ifeann(f): 5:27pm On May 29, 2015 |
Rilwayne001: [size=13pt] K yourself, hypocrite who defends a paedophile sex addict because an unholy book recited by the paedophile says he is a prophet. [/size] 2 Likes |
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